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Against the law to be fat in Japan and soon the US?
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I don't understand why women get to have a bigger waistline then men? I thought fat people were protected under the ADA? Did you catch the “Safeway Amendment,” for the US. For me this is funnier than all get out, because my biggest problem on my diets are my cravings for Safeway Donuts.
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Oh those crazy Japanese. All they have to do is show their citizens one of their most famous exports and no one there will want to eat...tub girl.
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What happens to the Sumo wrestlers!?!?!?!?!?
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01-02-2010, 12:12 PM | #4 |
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The title of this thread is misleading. There's a difference between giving an incentive in the form of a discount in health insurance for meeting certain health standards and making it against the law to weigh a certain amount.
I mean, most auto insurance providers give you a discount for owning a house, but I certainly wouldn't suggest that the law requires you to own a home if you want to drive a car. |
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Wow, a misleading thread title from NewID, there's something new....
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If you think that's an overly broad leap, you're being awfully naive about our government. The thread title says "soon the US?". The question mark makes the thread title awfully valid, as it raises the question of whether the so-called Safeway Amendment is but the first step toward more draconian measures.
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Roll 'em all the fuck you want but it doesn't change the fact that we've seen this sort of thing from the government on more than one occasion. If there's votes in it, an agenda to be fulfilled in it, or if there's a way to fuck the citizens out of more of their money in order to put that cash in the hands of the government in it, anything is conceivable. And only a damned fool could possibly believe otherwise, the evidence is simply too strong to the contrary.
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I'm confused by the rollesyes too. If the goal is single-payer, universal healthcare, how can you possibly be against restrictions/incentives like this? Do you rollesye people also believe that bad drivers, people living in hurricane-prone areas paying more than share of insurance is ridiculous?
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So according to the NYT if you're over the limit you have to have counseling and if that doesn't help you are recommended to have more counseling. How does that equal against the law to be fat?
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Well, it says that it's against the law to be fat in Japan and since it isn't, it doesn't take one bit of naivete to say the thread title was misleading, anti government paranoia aside.
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Wow, nobody seemed to pick up on the fact that this law is only for people over 40 years old!
The law, to me, would be to get companies to fire fat people over 40 years old. Quote:
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could be required does not equal would be fined
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JIMG: Why wouldn't you trust the government? If they start a program and it ends up being a colossal failure (i.e. Loses a shitload of money every year) they always end it. Obama is in charge now, this is a new kind of government...
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I am pretty sure the "re-education" classes are required by law for fat people to attend.
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01-02-2010, 02:23 PM | #22 |
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I love the pro-state arguement that the success of roads and the internet justifies government run health care, endless wars and policeing of the world, the war on drugs, the department of education, the space program, jobs programs, the TSA, endless bailouts, TARP, ... LOL. Roads work!!!!! Yeah government! More please! More!!!! The problem that you have with me is that I don't back the Republican ideas either so you can't set-up your normal "I guess it was allright when Bush did it" that both sides like to use to attack each other and continue to argue in favor of the out of control spending nonsense in Washington DC. Instead you try strawmans like roads or (in a post or two) take a real radical Libertarian idea like reinstating the gold standard and show that proves why we need to run deficits of trillions a year. Wife: "I want to go to Paris again" Husband: "We are $50,000 in debt!!!" Wife: "You spent $5 on McDonalds the other day!" Last edited by panerd : 01-02-2010 at 02:28 PM. |
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Yes, because if government does one thing the next step is always the most extreme thing. No, the question mark does not make it a valid thread title when the article does not say that it is about to become illegal to be overweight in the United States . I could post an article too and draw the most absurd conclusion from it, but that doesn't make it valid. I understand healthy skepticism about government, but paranoia on the mere fact that it's government taking action is a little bit extreme. X-Files was a great show, but it's not a way I would choose to live my life. |
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The problem is that we have a program, the ideological opponents of the party cut the program to it's bare bones, and then use the fact the program stopped working due to the extreme underfunding as the argument that it doesn't work and should be scrapped. Amtrak is a good example of that problem. Amtrak hasn't been properly supported in decades. In the northeast, Amtrak is very important not just for Amtrak. They own most of the tracks that most commercial and commuter rail carriers use--should they shut down, then a huge amount of rail traffic in this country would be adversely impaired. When Bush threatened to shut down Amtrak a few years ago, there was a huge concern of how the commuter lines in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, and Connecticutt would operate. |
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Silly me, what was I thinking. I forgot Saint Obama (and his merry band of minions) is gonna save us all. So, just out of curiosity, when do we receive our pot for every chicken? It's gotta be soon, I mean most of the stuff coming out of DC is definitely "shovel ready". Problem is, I don't think anyone has made a big enough shovel for most of it.
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Who said that? Someone can find your position absurd regardless of whether or not they're an Obama supporter. I never saw your posting that stated that the only way you can criticize your viewpoint is if you take a vow that you oppose Obama. That's as ridiculous as hysteria that anything government does is inherently suspect and part of a massive conspiracy. It's not either/or. Most rational people can agree with Obama on some things and disagree with him on others. Your argument is just as bad as some of the left on daily kos. |
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You gotta remember, Jon said when Obama was elected was "the biggest mistake in American history." or something. He'll give anything to be proven right, because being right is more important than the welfare of everyone else.
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It sure is easy to set you off. Without engaging most of your rant, I'll stick to the transportation argument. The government subsidizes transportation on highways, in the air, on water, and on train tracks. It may or may not be wise to invest more, but it makes no sense to complain about Amtrack subsidies unless you're also going to complain about other government transportation subsidies.
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My Obama reference was specifically to panerd's comment. Anyone is welcome to find my observation on the original thread title absurd. I'm also welcome to chalk that up as evidence that the objecting individual is largely a fucking idiot that's contributing to several of our current major problems.
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This is a favorite point at FOFC and it's completely ridiculous. Who's arguing for the complete abolition of the government? So if I think the government should exist, I have to necessarily think it shouldn't have ANY limits? I mean don't even you think there's a limit somewhere? Wouldn't your silly point then apply to you also? How can you bitch about a totalitarian regime if you're using government roads? Last edited by molson : 01-02-2010 at 06:23 PM. |
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Do I have a choice to travel on non-government roads now? And yet, according to your logic, I'm not allowed to criticize any government spending (even if it has nothing to do with roads). What if they decide to increase government spending a billion times? When am I allowed to criticize it if I continue to leech of the governments roads? Last edited by molson : 01-02-2010 at 06:29 PM. |
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If the JIMGA admits that he's against the government building roads, maybe you have a point, but I don't think he's done that. |
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Build the roads, clean the water, keep high meat standards and use my income taxes to do it. But when you want to try one of your "save the world" initiatives (whether it's Democrats and health care or Republican war mongoring) have the balls to fucking raise the taxes to pay for it. Oh wait, then people won't vote for you if they can't have their cake and eat it too.
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How about the war in Afganistan? How about the jobs program that Obama will be proposing within the next month. Give me a fucking break that the trillions of dollars of spending are all deficit neutral. You seem like a smart guy, you can't be that gullible can you? |
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You see I can respect your viewpoint. I obviously disagree on the government's role on just about every economic issue (though we probably see eye to eye on a whole lot of non-economic social issues that Obama is too scared to tackle) but I believe these are your views. I don't get why you can't fathom that my views could be very fiscally conservative. Just because "fiscally conservative" politicians rarely ever do what they claim doesn't mean that individual voters can't. I am the type of guy that has a nest egg for just about every conceivable thing that can happen in my life and don't believe in supporting those who don't. It's obvious that we will probably never convince each other to “switch sides” but I don't see why your viewpoint can be so accepted by the general public while mine is just wacky. Of course the government should enforce contracts, provide a national defense, and be a watchdog over entities that would run wild without it. I just feel like there should be money in the till to pay for the pet programs each side wants to do. (Or at least an equally costing program should be eliminated) Want a bank bailout? End corporate welfare. Want national health care? End extended welfare benefits. Want a “jobs” program? Fine, eliminate the inept (and racist) war on drugs. You want an escalated war in Afghanistan (and soon in Yemen)? Fine, don’t just talk about ending the war in Iraq, end the war in Iraq. Or if you don’t have the political capital to do these things, raise taxes to pay for it. Doesn’t seem that radical does it? It's not just Obama, its almost everyone in DC. And that is sad and IMO un-American. |
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