FOFC's Greatest Athlete II (interactive)

[britrock88]

And Bafou. Hoping that Babson wears down over the course of the day.

[JAG]

If nothing else goes his way, Babson may at least be able to set up a sneaker endorsement to get the heck outta Berlin.

[Simbo Klice]

Uh-Oh. I thought Rambis Jr. would be at least a top-3 guy in that one.

[Breeze]

Leaderboard After - After 1 Event

Babson		-	1035
McGillicuddy	-	999
Bafou		-	987
Ginsberg	-	975
McCloud		-	975
Ashkayev	-	963
Rambus		-	917
Llyw		-	872
Gunderson	-	872
Gonzalez	-	850
Justice		-	827
Nielsen		-	827

[Breeze]

Event 1 - 100 Meter - Recap

So at the end of the first event, who were the big winners and losers...

Winners

Ashkayev - Overall, he may have finished dead middle in the standings, and actually by grade he should have finished 6th or 7th, but what makes him a winner in this event is the fact that he only finished .05 seconds behind the sprinters...which is 12 points. For a point of reference, Rambus' card was designed from the same table checks but he ran a much more typical time (as you can see from the projections).

Babson - Yes Babson was supposed to do well in this event, as he came in with a high B grade...but for him to out-perform the entire field the way he did was big. Plus he earned well over 1000 points in a single event. This result will carry him for a while. It will remain to be seen if it can carry him through his weaknesses though.


Losers

Ginsberg - While a 10.5 isn't a bad result, and it is only .1 from his projection, Ginsberg is a loser in this event partly because Babson posted the extremely fast 10.25...and partly because he was the only "A" grade coming in, and yet he tied for 4th. Basically every B grade either beat or tied him, thus losing some advantage to the field. The performance isn't a crushing one, but this would have been an area were he could have opened a lead with a nice roll...



Everyone else performed about how they were expected to. Next event is the Long Jump...This event will require some strategic decisions on your part, but first I'll need to get you breakdowns of the events by jump style (safe, average, all out), so you can make an informed decision...

[Breeze]

Event 2 - Long Jump - Preview

In this event the spread between best and worst is much smaller as there are no extremes on either end...so just because an athlete is listed in the favorites or underdogs list, doesn't mean they can't end up on the opposite end of the standings when all is said a done. This could be a real swing event due to the tighness of the cards.

The Event Favorites
Babson, Nielsen, McCloud

The Event Underdogs
Rambis, Bafou, Ashkayev, Gonzalez

[Breeze]

EVENT 2 - Long Jump - Result Specifics

Chances of Occurance

Conservative
Fouls - 0%
Injuries - 0%

Normal
Fouls - 29.17%
Injuries - 2.31%

Aggressive
Fouls - 58.33%
Injuries - 4.63%

NOTE: Any roll that results in an injury also results in a foul.

[Breeze]

Event 2 - Long Jump - Card Review

Babson
Safe - Best outcome here appears to be a 24'6" result (on 38), there are 4 more results in the 24' range but
they are on hard to get rolls of 16, 18, 19, 20...Low end appears be be in the low 21s and there is one of those on 37 and 32. Most likely outcome in this column appears to be in the low 23' range
Ave - Top end is 25'6" on a very attainable 25 role. Plus two 25' results on 39 & 31. Low end looks like a 22' 2" result on 22. Most likely outcome in this range mid 24'.
All Out - As good at teh first two columns looked, this one leave a bit to be desired. There are some great oucomes, including 26' on 10, 25'10", 25'8" on 28 and 29. But there are several low rolls, I count 7 results that are sub 24'...this is truly a boom or bust column. Most likely outcome...??? (too varied to say)


Ginsberg
Safe - Ginsberg got a bad break on card creation in this column. He has a couple of pretty pathetic tosses on the most highly probable rolls. A 21'1 on 32, a 21'3" on 34, and a 21'2 on 35. The best appears to be a 24'5 on 28. The rolls in the 30 (half of the chances) are mostly populated with low 21s and mid to low 23s. The lower probability rolls appear to be better...22'+. Most probable outcome - low 21'
Ave - This column is much more stable as most of the outcomes are upper 23's and lower 24s. High appears to be 24'6", low is 22'7"...Most likely outcome is upper 23s
All Out - There are some good results here...a 25'3" on 22, a 24'10" on 29, and a couple of 24'10"+ results in the teens. Low appears to be 22'3". Most likely outcome low 23s


Nielsen
Safe - Here is another bad break in card creation. Though Nielsen's card is created from one of the better tables, He ended up on the short end of most of the column checks here. Low end is 20'5 on 24 and another 20' result sits on 23 (both are highly likely results). High end is in the mid 24s and it looks like there are only 3 in the entire column. Most likely result is probably in the mid 22s
Ave - This is actually a very good column. It may lack some real high end results, but other than a 21'6" result on 38 and a 22'3" on 37, most of the rest of the outcomes appear to be in the 24' range. Most likely outcome mid to upper 24s
All Out - This column has some 25'6"+ results but also has several in the 22' range as well...a classic risk/reward chance here. Most likely outcome - ???


McCloud
Safe - Poor results in the 21' rand on 32, 34, 35, and 39 plus a low 22' on 32 and 36. Not many good rolls in this column though there is a 24'$" on 28. Most likely outcome mid 21s
Ave - Some very nice results here...a strong 25'2" on 36, and a 24'7" on 31. Plus several in the mid 24s and 25s on rolls in the mid 20s. Low end is in the upper 21s. Most likely outcome Mid to upper 24s
All Out - Got 7 results greater than 25' in this column, but as ususal there are several in the mid 23s...Most likely result low 25s.


Llwy
Safe - low results on the high probably rolls. high appears to be a 24'3" result on 23, lows are in the upper 20s. Most likely outcome High 21s
Ave - The results here are almost all between the low 23s and mid 24s. Most likely result - low 24s
All Out - Nice 25'3' result on 22...a couple other greater than 25 in the teens. A bunch of 23' results...Most likely result ???


Rambis
Safe - Absolutely awful results on the most common rolls of 33, 34 and 35...nothing better than a 20'11" and as bad as a 19'2" result on 34...there are quite a few low 20s and a couple other 19s here. High appears to be in the 23s. Most likely outcome is low 21s
Ave - Outcomes range from upper 20s to lower 24s and they are all over the map. Most likely result appears to be upper 22s to lower 23s
All Out - Well it was mentioned that Rambis was an undog in this event...and while I said that because of the tight bunching in the card creation their might be a chance for someone to make a move...this column doesn't help his chances much...best outcome is a 24'8" result on 10 (second hardest roll to get in the game). Most of this column sits in the 22s. Most likely outcome is mid 22s.


Justice
Safe - Similar to many other cards above with the poor rolls in the mid 30s, but most results in the mid 22s to low 23s. Does have anice 24+ on 27. Most likely result is mid 22s
Ave - a bunch of low 24s here. Low end is in the 22s but that is rare. Most likely outcome is low 24s.
All Out - got a couple 25' results, 22 & 11...a few high 24s and rest are in the 22 and 23 range with 2 21' outcomes. Most likely result upper 22s to lower 23s


Bafou
Safe - Another card with some 19' results. High in this column is in the low 23s. Most likely outcome is in the Upper 20s
Ave - I coun 3 24'+ results...low is 21'9" on 17...Most likely result is mid 22s
All Out - I count 4 results in the mid 24s...most would take a roll in the teens. Low end is 20'9". Most likely result is in the mid to upper 22s


McGillicudy
Safe - Mid 30s aren't good upper 21s, some other low results in the upper 20s to low 21s spread around. High is a 24'7" result on pretty good numbers (27 & 32), another plus 24' result on 23...Most likely result upper 21s to mid 22s
Ave - almost all 23' to 24' results...most likely is low 24s
All Out - got the nice 25'2" result on 22 (may have seen this a couple of time earlier), plus a 25' on 10, and a 25'4" on 13. the rest of the results spread pretty evenly between mid to upper 22s, mid 23s and mid to low 24s...Most likely - ???


Ashkayev
Safe - pretty even spread between the upper 21s, through the 22s - only 1 23+ outcome on the roll of 36. Most likely result is lower to mid 22s
Ave - with the exception of the 20'9" on 21...everything is basically beween 23' and 24'4" (with a couple of rolls in the low 22s). Most likely result is low to mid 23s
All Out - a couple of 24'+ plus results on decent rolls of 20 and 21 plus 10 and 11. The rest of the card is basically 23' or lower. Most likely outcome is mid to low 22s.


Gunderson
Safe - poor rolls on the high probably outcomes of 34, 35, and 36...all 21'11" or shorter...but most of the rest of the card in this column is pretty good. A lot of 23'+ results, and it looks like 3 results greater than 24'. Most likely outcome is low 23s
Ave - This column is slightly better than the last because ther are more high 23s and mid to low 24' outcomes. and some are in better locations, like 24'+ on 13, 19 (not so great), 21, 25 (really good), 27, 29, 31....Low end is 22'3" on 39. Most likely outcome is upper 23s to lower 24s
All Out - This is a better all our column than most of the players that weren't mentioned as favorites. Not as many 21' and lower 22' results. There are quite a few in the low 23s..but there are also 5 24'6"+ results...High looks like 25'3"...Most likely result is ???


Gonzalez
Safe - terrible 19"4" result on 37...no great oucomes here...best appears to be in the low 22s...most likely outcome is upper 20s to low 21s
Ave - This actually isn't that bad a column for an underdog card...most result here are in the low to mid 23s...Not really a chance to get a long throw as the long appears to be 24'. But there are 12 results greater than 23'. Still have trash results in the 21' range...most likely outcome is mid 23s
All Out - Not a tone here to work with. Do have a 24'8" result on 10, 25' on 11 and a 24'6" result on 22...but most of the column is mid to lower 22s. most likely outcome is mid 22s to low 23s

Note: The most likely outcomes assume that there will be no injury or fault...they are outcomes for successful attempts. Also just because there is a most likely outcome listed doesn't mean that the roll can't return a significantly different result...so don't let the most likely reference overly impact your selection of the type of attempt you wish to make.

If you feel you don't have enough information to make a decision on how you want to proceed just let me know and I'll work with you to provide what you need. Also be aware that I will keep an eye on your result and will let you know if you have maxed out or are close to maxing out in a column or in totality so you won't waste time making unnecessary jumpts

[Breeze]

Ground Rules

I probably should have done this earlier, but a few ground rules that you need to keep in mind (yes I'm going to once again attempt to explain this and will probably confuse the hell out you).

The game has a fatigue penalty that is built in. For fatigue in the orginal game, everything revolved around how many high jump attempts in Day 1, and pole vault attempts in day 2 were taken (and we'll get into how that event works when we roll around to it, but basically you choose your starting height and when to pass and jump to maximize your result and minimize your attempts). I felt that was stupid and modified the rules such that there is a number of attempts in all field events that will trigger the fatigue factor. So saving an attempt in LJ is equal to an attempt in High Jump and Shot, etc. The only difference is LJ, Shot, Discus, Javelin all have a set 3 attepts where High Jump and Pole Vault you go as long as you want until you miss 3 times.

The original game allowed 7 high jump attempts before fatigue set in...I have also modified that figured to take into account each player's endurance. So I can't tell you how many you have, but I can tell you that if you have low endurance ratings you may want to save some attempts to save some energy.

Does this make sense? If not please let me know, because it could be critical in your decision making and have a significant impact on the final results...

[Breeze]

Event 2 - Long Jump

In this event every athlete will be allowed 3 jumps (you can take fewer as explained above). What I need from each of you is a declaration of how you wish to do the first attempt - Safe, Average, or Allout

There really is no strategic disadvantage to announcing your style here...but if you prefer you can PM me how you want to proceed.

[Coffee Warlord]

Edit. Heh. Answered.

[Coffee Warlord]

Nielsen Springe 1: Alle Ud.

Translator says: Jump 1, All Out

[JAG]

Babson - Safe

[britrock88]

Figured out my own question.

Bafou's first two jumps - Safe, Normal

[DavidCorperial]

I'll go with an average as that seems best for me, David Ginsberg.

[Breeze]

Guys quick request...when you make your declaration...please include your character's name...just saves me from looking it up...

[chesapeake]

Llyw Jump 1 - Average

[ntndeacon]

Ashkayev All out for jump 1

[PilotMan]

Gunderson will go all out for jump 1.

[larrymcg421]

McGillicuddy - All out.

[Simbo Klice]

Kurt Rambis Jr. will go average until he jumps a 22' 6 or better, then conserve his energy. And he would also like to attempt to drop marbles out of his pocket onto the takeoff area without any judges noticing.

[CrimsonFox]

McCloud NOrmal

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Nielsen Springe 1: Alle Ud.

Translator says: Jump 1, All Out

grine højlydt

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Breeze

Ground Rules

I probably should have done this earlier, but a few ground rules that you need to keep in mind (yes I'm going to once again attempt to explain this and will probably confuse the hell out you).

The game has a fatigue penalty that is built in. For fatigue in the orginal game, everything revolved around how many high jump attempts in Day 1, and pole vault attempts in day 2 were taken (and we'll get into how that event works when we roll around to it, but basically you choose your starting height and when to pass and jump to maximize your result and minimize your attempts). I felt that was stupid and modified the rules such that there is a number of attempts in all field events that will trigger the fatigue factor. So saving an attempt in LJ is equal to an attempt in High Jump and Shot, etc. The only difference is LJ, Shot, Discus, Javelin all have a set 3 attepts where High Jump and Pole Vault you go as long as you want until you miss 3 times.

The original game allowed 7 high jump attempts before fatigue set in...I have also modified that figured to take into account each player's endurance. So I can't tell you how many you have, but I can tell you that if you have low endurance ratings you may want to save some attempts to save some energy.

Does this make sense? If not please let me know, because it could be critical in your decision making and have a significant impact on the final results...

save some energy for other events? for the next day?

are all these on the same day? separate days?

[mrkilla22]

Frank Justice - All Out

[kingfc22]

David Gonzalez - Normal all the way

[britrock88]

Woo! 12/12!

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Woo! 12/12!

And now we can see who's who

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

save some energy for other events? for the next day?

are all these on the same day? separate days?

Yeah, the is event is held over 2 days...

Day 1.

100 meters
long jump
shot put
high jump
400 mters


Day 2

hurdles
discus
pole vault
javelin
1500 meters


so any attempts you save can preserve your stamina for a following event...

make sense?

[CrimsonFox]

yup!

[Breeze]

Event 2 - Long Jump - 1st Attempts

Babson - Brian takes off down the runway...he's using that same acceleration that won the 100 meters...but as he approaches the board he chops his steps, loses his speed and only jumps 21' 3". Not a good result at all for Babson.

Ginsberg - Ginsberg starts off and he begins to pick up speed...he has a nice take off...and lands in the pit at 23' 1" A solid first attempt, but a ton of better results still available on the card.

Nielsen - The Dane starts his approach...he stomps on the board and launches himself high and out...clearly putting everything he has into this attempt. He lands in the pit and screems some sort of war cry. His entourage is...........sorry where was I...oh yeah, he's pumped by his jump, but when he looks back the white flag is up. His toe was over the line...Foul

McCloud - McCloud, clearly distracted by the antics of Nielsen...never seems to hit his stride and ends up walking through the jump attempt as his steps were way off - Foul

Llyw - Llyw take a nice focused approach in his attempt and he is rewarded with a jump of 24' 2". I count 6 better results in the average column, 5 of which are in the teens and the 6th is on 21. In the all out column, there are also 6 better results...again most in the teens, but also on 22 and 29.

Rambis - Rambis doesn't get a good take off and only manages to go 20' 9". While Rambis might not be great in this event, this isn't a good result even for him

Justice - Speeds down the runway...hits the block, but the white flag is raised...Foul.

Bafou - This should be interesting...Bafou has good speed, but it doesn't translate to good jumping...there is something wrong in his technique. He speeds down the runway, hits the block, it a clean jump, and an ugly one. Arms and legs are flapping around but not in a streamlined, classic approach, rather it is almost like flailing...he lands and is measured at 20' 6". Like Rambis, Bafou isn't good at this event, but this is still a poor result

McGillicuddy - Fails to take advantage of the overall poor performance by the preceeding competitors as his toe is over the tip of the board - Foul

Ashkayev - Steps are off and he is half a foot over the board on take off. He knew it so he pulled up on the jump rather than extend himself and risk injury - Foul

Gunderson - looks ok on this jump and gets a good score to build on - 22' 9". As you can tell from the write up above, this isn't really a great result. When the low in the average column is 22' 3" and this is only 6" longer, that should indicate there are more points available

Gonzalez - Runs down on his approach. He hit the board cleanly and perfectly and he launches himself into the pit. For someone that isn't supposed to be strong in this event it appears he has posted a good result here. The officials measure the the jump distance is announced at 23' 7". Looking at the average column there appear to be only 3 better results and they are on 12 (low probability), 25 (decent probability but the result is 23' 8", and 29 (decent probability). The max on the column appears to be 24' on the 29. In the all out column there are 3 results better. A couple of good jumps on 10 and 11 and a 24' 6" on 22

[Breeze]

Event 2 - Long Jump - Leaderboard

Llyw		-	24' 2"
Gonzalez	-	23' 7"
Ginsberg	-	23' 1"
Gunderson	-	22' 9"
Babson		-	21' 2"
Rambis		-	20' 9"
Bafou		-	20' 6"
Nielsen		- 	-
McCloud		-	-
Justice		-	-
McGillicuddy	-	-
Ashkayev	-	-

[Breeze]

Nice work guys...I need you to declare how you want to do the second jump. I have some that were given previously, and if I don't hear from you I'll use those, but sometimes knowing where you stand may make a big difference in your approach, so I'll give you chance to change your instructions...

I also attempted to give the players that had a successful attempt a sense of where they stand compared to their card (or if we were in real life, an idea of how you should feel based on your history and practice)...if you want more information, let me know...

[CrimsonFox]

McCloud - Normal....sheesh. *grumblegrumblegrumblestupiddice*

[JAG]

Originally Posted by JAG

Babson - Safe

Again.

[chesapeake]

With a good jump under my belt, I'll put the pedal to the medal and go all out on this one.

[Coffee Warlord]

Average this time.

[PilotMan]

Gunderson is All Out again. The Viking can do better than that.

[Simbo Klice]

Rambis average again.

[kingfc22]

Gonzalez will pass on round 2 if he can still be eligible for a round 3 jump.

If that is not how it works, he'll go all out round 2

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Gonzalez will pass on round 2 if he can still be eligible for a round 3 jump.

If that is not how it works, he'll go all out round 2

You can pass in round 2 and jump in round 3...not an issue...

[ntndeacon]

Ashkayev to go safe in jump 2

[Breeze]

Got quite a few quick responses...just waiting on 4 more...

Ginsberg
McGillicuddy
Justice
Bafou

...will be able to post results shortly after everyone reports in...

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Breeze

Got quite a few quick responses....

...because we're awesome.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

...because we're awesome.

Yes, yes you are...

[britrock88]

Normal for Bafou.

[DavidCorperial]

David Ginsberg will go with an average again.

[mrkilla22]

Frank Justice - Average

[larrymcg421]

Normal

[Breeze]

Event 2 - Long Jump - 2nd Attempts

Babson - Babson looking to improve on his first jump appears to be approaching this one in much the same way...get his speed up...but like last time he chops his steps again to make sure he gets a clean jump. This time his chopping isn't quite as bad but he jumped a bit earlier costing him some distance. This jump is better though as he lands at 23' 4". Babson has a difficult decision now. The 23' 4" result, while not bad, clearly doesn't maximize his potential in this event. In fact, when looking at the normal column, there only appear to be 5 jumps that are worse...the rest are better and some significantly better. However, Babson also has to think about conserving energy because stamina can become a problem for him. So the question here is...do you try to maximize an event you are strong in, or save energy for one you aren't

Ginsberg - Ginsberg again has a nice takeoff...his form looks good and jump seems to be a bit better. After the official measurement he has improved, Jump is recorded as 23' 7". I count 9 better results in the average column, and 6 in the allout column (though the ones in allout are typically on lower probability rolls)

Nielsen - It is obvious from the moment Nielsen takes off down the runway that this will be a more controlled attempt. Unfortunately it doesn't help as the toe is again over the board, word is this focused warrior is considering cutting the toe off before the next attempt so it doesn't happen again...Foul.Tough decision here...Nielsen is one of the best in this event, but he comes into his final jump with no score. A conservative jump will insure he gets points, but unless he gets a lucky roll he'll most likely get around a 22' result which would only put him middle of the pack in the at best. If he goes normal he could still win the event, but he risks walking away with no score in the event (think Dan O'Brien in the Pole Vault of the US Olympic Trials), and if he goes all out he's very likely to not score at all seeing as how almost 60% of results in that column are a foul

McCloud - McCloud, In his second attempt McCloud doesn't appear to change anything...he launches himself into the pit...lands and quickly looks back at the official...no flag raised the jump is clean, but it isn't good - 21' 10" Another top performer in the event that is struggling badly...a 21'10", regardless of what happens with everyone else is going to be bottom of the standings if the last jump doesn't improve.

Llyw - Llyw clearly pleased with his first result, Llyw has picked up the effort on the second jump and he has launched himself deep into the pit...this a big jump and clearly longer than the first. The length is reported as 25' 3". I don't see a better result on the card...it appears Llyw has maxed out.

Rambis - Rambis' first attempt was poor, and he's hoping to improve on it this time around...he looks much better from launch to land and he records a better jump of [b]23' 5"[b]. I only count 3 better results in the Average column and 1 in the allout column

Justice - Speeds down the runway...hits the block, but the white flag is raised - again. And Justice will join Nielsen as athletes with a big decision to make...FoulGot the same situation as Nielsen, only difference is that Justice isn't expected to be at the top of the standing, but rather in the middle, so a poor 3rd attempt won't impact his overall score as dramatically as it would for Nielsen .

Bafou - Still a very ugly looking jump, but this one ends in a much better result...22' 7". 6 better results in average, 5 in allout...better odds on average, some bigger results in allout

McGillicuddy - Sticking with his guns and feeling that his first fault was an aberation, McGilly goes again with his same solid approach. Not looking to over extend, but not willing to baby the jump, he hits the board perfectly and launches himself...his jump is measured at 24'This is a pretty good jump and a nice score to build on (if you plan to jump again)...but you have 14 better results in the average column and 7 in the allout

Ashkayev - Trying to make sure he gets a score, Ashkayev goes much more conservative and is even looking at the board when he launches rather than keeping his head up. He gets a score, but he probably won't like it...20' 11".About half the results in the conservative column are better, almost everything in the average is better and the allout is mostly better...

Gunderson - Gunderson continues to go hard in this event, and this time he is overly aggressive and misses the launch point - Foul. Still most results on the card in the average column are better than his current score, and there are better results in the allout column too (Shoot, there are better results in the safe jump column)

Gonzalez - Elected to pass his second jump...