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Old 08-27-2019, 07:21 PM   #1
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OOTP 20 Challenge - The Season

First things first, good luck to everyone.

The draft was fun to watch, interested to see how this turns out.


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Old 08-27-2019, 07:27 PM   #2
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The Teams

Baltimore Steamers
P Vida Blue 3.5
P Jacob deGrom 5
P Tom Glavine 2.5
P Randy Johnson 5
P Max Scherzer 4
P Rollie Fingers 2.5
C Roy Campanella 3.5
C Ivan Rodriguez 3
1B Joey Votto 3
2B Ryne Sandberg 3
3B Miguel Cabrera 3
3B Brooks Robinson 3
SS Nomar Garciaparra 3.5
SS Ozzie Smith 2.5
LF Lance Berkman 3.5
LF Barry Bonds 4.5
CF Joe DiMaggio 4.5
RF Roberto Clemente 2.5

Big Inning Corn Kings
P Bob Gibson 4
P Lefty Grove 2.5
P Dan Quisenberry 2.5
P Bruce Sutter 2.5
C Joe Mauer 4
C Tony Pena 2.5
1B Lou Gehrig 4.5
1B Dave Magadan 2.5
2B Jackie Robinson 3.5
3B Mike Schmidt 3.5
SS Rabbit Maranville 2
SS Dickie Thon 3
SS Omar Vizquel 3
LF Minnie Minoso 3
LF Manny Ramirez 3
CF Ty Cobb 4
RF Frank Robinson 3
RF Giancarlo Stanton 3

Canton Raiders
P Dwight Gooden 4.5
P Hal Newhouser 3
P Chris Sale 4.5
P Aroldis Chapman 3
P Craig Kimbrel 3.5
P Francisco Rodriguez 2.5
C Mickey Cochrane 3.5
C Thurmon Munson 2.5
1B Jeff Bagwell 4.5
1B Rod Carew 3
2B Roberto Alomar 3
3B Wade Boggs 3.5
3B Ken Caminiti 3
SS Alex Rodriguez 4
LF Ralph Kiner 3.5
CF Duke Snider 3.5
CF Hack Wilson 4
RF Stan Musial 4

Indianapolis Clowns
P Feliz Hernandez 3
P Walter Johnson 3.5
P Greg Maddux 4
P Nolan Ryan 3
P Zach Britton 3
P Bobby Thigpen 2
C Yogi Berra 3
C Mike Piazza 3.5
1B Carlos Delgado 3.5
1B Mark McGwire 3.5
2B Nap Lajoie 3.5
3B Vinny Castilla 2.5
SS Barry Larkin 3.5
LF Ed Delahanty 4
LF Ted Williams 5
RF Andre Dawson 2.5
RF Mel Ott 3.5
RF Paul Waner 3

New York Knights
P Kevin Brown 4.5
P Christy Mathewson 3.5
P John Smoltz 3
P Ed Walsh 4
P Dennis Eckersley 2.5
P Joe Nathan 3
1B Dan Brouthers 3
1B Norm Cash 3.5
2B Rogers Hornsby 5
3B George Brett 4
SS Lou Boudreau 3.5
LF Sherry Magee 3
LF Pete Rose 2.5
CF Mickey Mantle 4.5
CF Tris Speaker 3.5
RF King Kelly 3.5
RF Gary Sheffield 3.5
RF Ichiro Suzuki 2.5

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Old 08-27-2019, 07:32 PM   #3
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The Teams (continued)

Otisburg Aquaracers
P Rich Gossage 1.5
P Sandy Koufax 4
P Pedro Martinez 5
P Denny McLain 2.5
P Fernando Rodney 2.5
P B.J. Ryan 3
C Ted Simmons 2.5
1B Willie McCovey 3
1B Jim Thome 3.5
2B Alfonso Soriano 2.5
3B Chipper jones 3.5
3B Harmon Killebrew 2.5
SS Hanley Ramirez 3
LF Rickey Henderson 3.5
CF Cesar Cedeno 3
CF Eric Davis 3.5
RF Vladimir Guerrero 3
RF Bryce Harper 3.5

San Fernando Dragons
P Roger Clemens 4
P Clayton Kershaw 5
P Cy Young 0.5
P Tug McGraw 2.5
P Jonathaan Papelbon 2.5
P Mariano Rivera 2.5
C Johnny Bench 3
C Lance Parrish 2.5
1B Albert Pujols 3.5
2B Craig Biggio 3
3B Manny Machado 3
3B Ron Santo 3
SS Robin Yount 3.5
LF Luis Gonzalez 3.5
CF Marquis Grisssom 2
CF Mike Trout 4
RF Shoeless Joe Jackson 3
RF Larry Walker 4

Stamford Cyberams
P Pud Galvin 3
P Old Hoss Radbourn 3.5
P Wilbur Wood 2.5
P Ted Abernathy 2
P Mark Eichhorn 2.5
P John Hiller 2.5
P Jim Kern 2.5
C Darrell Porter 3
C Buster Posey 3.5
1B George Sisler 4
2B Eddie Collins 3
2B Frankie Frisch 3
3B Al Rosen 3
SS Cal Ripken 3
LF Carl Yastrzemski 3.5
CF Willie Davis 2.5
CF Lenny Dykstra 3
RF Sammy Sosa 3.5

Tallahassee Federals
P Steve Carlton 3
P Zack Greinke 4.5
P Willie Hernandez 2.5
P Trevor Hoffman 2.5
P Al Hrabosky 2.5
P Brad Lidge 2.5
P Robb Nen 3
C Gary Carter 3
1B Jimmie Foxx 4
1B Paul Goldschmidt 3
2B Joe Morgan 4
3B Adrian Beltre 3.5
SS Honus Wagner 3.5
LF Josh Hamilton 3.5
CF Darin Erstad 3
CF Ken Griffey Jr. 4
RF Mookie Betts 3.5
RF Babe Ruth 5

Willow City Wreckers
P Pete Alexander 3.5
P Ron Guidry 3
P Sam McDowell 3.5
P Tom Seaver 4
P Eric Gagne 3.5
P Blake Treinen 3
P Billy Wagner 2.5
C Carlton Fisk 3
1B Todd Helton 4
1B Frank Thomas 4
2B Chuck Knoblauch 3.5
3B Scott Rolen 4
SS Ernie Banks 3.5
LF Tim Raines2.5
CF Willie Mays 4.5
RF Hank Aaron 3
RF Tony Gwynn 3
RF Ben Zobrist 3

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Old 08-27-2019, 07:54 PM   #4
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The Rules

- Each Sim will be one "weak" of game play which will be 2 simmed games per team.
- Owners may submit their lineups prior to each sim.
- No trades.
- No additional signings.
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Old 08-27-2019, 07:57 PM   #5
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The Schedule

NOTE I'll fill in the actual dates once I see how I can get it to fit into my upcoming schedule. The first week won't be any earlier than Thursday to give everyone time to get lineups in. Still trying to come up with a way to "live stream" a game. May just create a "game of the week" thread in dynasty forum and just post it in the thread per at bat.

Week 1 - Sim: 8/29 (6:00 PM EST lineups deadline)
San Fernando @ New York - Game of the Week
Big Inning @ Tallahassee
Indianapolis @ Baltimore
Stamford @ Canton
Willow City @ Otisburg

New York @ Big Inning
Canton @ Indianapolis
San Fernando @ Stamford
Otisburg @ Baltimore
Tallahassee @ Willow City


Week 2 - sim 9/2 (6:00 PM EST lineups due)
Baltimore @ Canton
Big Inning @ Stamford - Game of the Week 8:00 PM EST
Willow City @ New York
Indianapolis @ San Fernando
Tallahassee @ Otisburg

San Fernando @ Baltimore
Otisburg @ Canton
Big Inning @ Indianapolis
New York @ Tallahassee
Stamford @ Willow City


Week 3 - sim 9/4 (6:00 PM lineup deadline)
Willow City @ Indianapolis - Game of the Week
New York @ Otisburg
Tallahassee @ Stamford
Baltimore @ Big Inning
Canton @ San Fernando

Stamford @ New York
Big Inning @ Canton
Indianapolis @ Tallahassee
Willow City @ Baltimore
Otisburg @ San Fernando


Week 4 - sim 9/6 (6:00 PM EST lineups due)
San Fernando @ Big Inning
New York @ indianapolis
Canton @ Willow City
Stamford @ Otisburg
Tallahassee @ Baltimore - Game of the Week

Tallahassee @ Canton
Indianapolis @ Stamford
Baltimore @ New York
Otisburg @ Big Inning
Willow City @ San Fernando


Week 5 - sim 9/10 (lineups due 6:00 PM EST)
San Fernando @ Tallahassee
Indianaplois @ Otisburg
New York @ Canton - Game of the Week (8:00 PM)
Stamford @ Baltimore
Big Inning @ Willow City

Baltimore @ indianapolis
Canton @ Stamford
Tallahassee @ Big Inning
Otisburg @ Willow City
New York @ San Fernando


Week 6 - sim 9/14 (lineups due 6:00 PM EST)
Indianapolis @ Canton
Baltimore @ Otisburg - Game of the Week 9:00 PM EST
Stamford @ San Fernando
Big Inning @ New York
Willow City @ Tallahassee

New York @ Willow City
Otisburg @ Tallahassee
San Fernando @ Indianapolis
Canton @ Baltimore
Stamford @ Big Inning

Week 7 - 9/17 6:00 PM EST lineups due
Baltimore @ San Fernando
Willow City @ Stamford
Tallahassee @ New York - Game of the Week 9:00 PM EST
Indianapolis @ Big Inning
Canton @ Otisburg

Indianapolis @ Willow City
Otisburg New York
San Fernando @ Canton
Stamford @ Tallahassee
Big Inning @ Baltmore

Week 8 - simmed 9/23
Canton @ Big Inning
Tallahassee @ Indianapolis
New York @ Stamford
Baltimore @ Willow City
San Fernando @ Otisburg

Willow City @ Canton
Otisburg @ Stamford
Indianapolis @ New York
Baltimore Tallahassee
Big Inning @ San Fernando


Week 9 - sim 9/25
Stamford @ indianapolis
Canton @ Tallahassee
New York @ Baltimore
San Fernando @ Willow City
Big Inning @ Otisburg

Otisburg @ Indianapolis
Baltimore @ Stamford
Canton @ New York
Willow City @ Big Inning
Tallahassee @ San Fernando

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Old 08-27-2019, 08:04 PM   #6
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Preseason Predictions - As Generated by Game

Standings
New York 11-7
Stamford 11-7
Baltimore 10-8
Willow City 10-8
Big Inning 9-9
Canton 9-9
San Fernando 9-9
Indianapolis 8-10
Otisburg 8-10
Tallahassee 8-10
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Old 08-27-2019, 08:06 PM   #7
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I know the format of the league screws with the game for those predictions. Example: It has Pedro Martinez and forecast for 17 games. It also has Scherzer listed as one of the top 10 projected pitchers with just 6 games played and a predicted ERA of 5.14.
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Old 08-27-2019, 08:08 PM   #8
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The first week will be simmed on Thursday 8/29. Will fill in more of the schedule prior to that.

Note to All Teams Please have your lineups in by 6:00 PM EST on 8/29 for those games. You can PM them to me.

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Old 08-28-2019, 01:21 AM   #9
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Hey EF, for those of us with the game will you be releasing a file that we can use to see our team and help set up our lineups/follow the league as it goes along?
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Old 08-28-2019, 05:43 AM   #10
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Should we just PM you lineups, etc?
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Old 08-28-2019, 11:03 AM   #11
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Can we also just get pm'd the star ratings so we know how they look in game?
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Old 08-28-2019, 11:24 AM   #12
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Can we also just get pm'd the star ratings so we know how they look in game?


Forget PM'ing them I'd love to see the star ratings for each player perhaps alongside their draft position? I can only imagine mine go miniscule in the middle rounds and then buff back out again late (or never )

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Old 08-28-2019, 04:21 PM   #13
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Can we also just get pm'd the star ratings so we know how they look in game?

Yes, please.

And is there a format you want the lineup in? Do you want R/L splits or just a batting order and defensive set up.
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Old 08-28-2019, 06:50 PM   #14
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Posted stars with the rosters in this thread. The stars are relative to all players in the league and it looks like it downplays relievers.

Not going to post the league file. Want to keep competition as even as possible so everyone has the same chance.

For lineups. As much detail as you would like, if you want to designate depth chart as well that would be fine. For pitchers you can give me stater one, starter two and then what reliever assignments you have (LR, MR, SU, CL).
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Old 08-28-2019, 06:50 PM   #15
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You can give me right/left or just one generic lineup. Whichever you feel comfortable with.
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Old 08-28-2019, 07:30 PM   #16
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I am so glad I chose Jacob Degrom lol but 0.5 Cy Young wow.
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Old 08-28-2019, 07:42 PM   #17
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Old 08-28-2019, 08:08 PM   #18
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I am so glad I chose Jacob Degrom lol but 0.5 Cy Young wow.

I can only assume he's horrendously nerfed because he averaged less than a strikeout every three innings and a K/BB of around 1.4, but come on. He managed to keep a WHIP around 1 over 453 innings and 48 complete games and it's in the top 20 all-time in single season WAR FFS.
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Old 08-28-2019, 08:09 PM   #19
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DOLA - any chance of a screenshot, even if you PM it to me?
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Old 08-28-2019, 08:18 PM   #20
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My experience stars alone don’t determine performance. It’d be interesting to see ratings at some point.

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Old 08-28-2019, 09:48 PM   #21
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I also wouldn't be hung up on the stars. I don't know how the game determines them overall.
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Old 08-28-2019, 10:18 PM   #22
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Started to enter lineups but have to go deal with some teen drama. My youngest daughter's friend ran away so I am going to go join the search.
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Old 08-29-2019, 09:49 AM   #23
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Any chance I can see game ratings so that I can make my lineups?

Maybe you can export ratings into CSV and attach it to a post here?
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Old 08-29-2019, 05:50 PM   #25
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Love it!
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Old 08-29-2019, 06:48 PM   #26
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Any chance I can see game ratings so that I can make my lineups?

Maybe you can export ratings into CSV and attach it to a post here?

Trying to keep it about the players, not turn it into just another OOTP league.
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Old 08-29-2019, 06:59 PM   #27
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I am honestly super intrigued by this management style. An actual league where you had to GM blind - no ratings whatsoever but just worked off of statistics - would be weird as hell. And maybe amazing.
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Old 08-29-2019, 09:05 PM   #28
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Week 1 Results
San Fernando 1 (0-1)
New York 4 (1-0)

Big Inning 11 (1-0)
Tallahassee 6 (0-1)

Indianapolis 6 (0-1)
Baltimore 9 (1-0)

Willow City 3 (1-0)
Otisburg 2 (0-1)

Stamford 8 (1-0)
Canton 2 (0-1)


New York 8 (2-0)
Big Inning 7 (1-1)

Canton 19 (1-1)
Indianapolis 17 (0-2)

San Fernando 4 (0-2)
Stamford 12 (2-0)

Otisburg 4 (0-2)
Baltimore 5 (2-0)

Tallahassee 3 (0-2)
Willow City 4 (2-0)

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Old 08-29-2019, 09:07 PM   #29
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I'm going to try to post the results and link. I am not going to post the date for the next day until I get that straight. May need a few.
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Old 08-29-2019, 09:21 PM   #30
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This is awesome, thanks for running it!
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Old 08-29-2019, 09:28 PM   #31
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The big bats from Big Inning speak loudly. Wheres the pitching?

Are Canton and Indianapolis playing Slow pitch?
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Old 08-29-2019, 09:29 PM   #32
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The preseason predictions are hilarious in that they exactly mirror the standings after the first week.
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Old 08-29-2019, 09:42 PM   #33
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Any way to see box scores?
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Old 08-29-2019, 10:11 PM   #34
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Any way to see box scores?

+1. Even just text ones.
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Old 08-30-2019, 12:59 AM   #35
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Because I'm bored and love being a nerd: here are the top three teams by average star rating in several categories:

Overall Roster (all 18 players):
1. Canton Raiders (3.50 Avg.)
2. New York Knights (3.47)
3. Baltimore Steamers (3.44)

Pitching Staff (all pitchers):
1. Baltimore Steamers (3.75)
2. Canton Raiders (3.50)
3. New York Knights (3.47)

Position Players:
1. Tallahassee Federals (3.64)
2. Canton Raiders (3.50)
3. New York Knights (3.47)

Starting Lineup (Top 2 SP, Top RP, and top player at each position):
1. Canton Raiders (3.86)
2. New York Knights (3.82)
3. Tallahassee Federals (3.73)

Bench (position player non-starters):
1. Willow Glen Wreckers (3.33)
2. Tallahassee Federals (3.17)
t3. Canton Raiders, Baltimore Steamers, Indianapolis Clowns (3.00)

Bullpen (includes starting pitchers beyond the top two):
1. Baltimore Steamers (3.13)
2. Willow Glen Wreckers (3.10)
t3. Canton Raiders, New York Knights (3.00)

Infield:
1. New York Knights (3.75)
2. Willow Glen Wreckers (3.67)
3. Tallahassee Federals (3.50)

Outfield:
1. Tallahassee Federals (3.80)
t2. Canton Raiders, Baltimore Steamers (3.75)
3. Indianapolis Clowns (3.60)

Average of all Categories - with record and run differential after one week:
1. Canton Raiders (3.44) 1-1, -4
2. New York Knights (3.39) 2-0, +4
3. Baltimore Steamers (3.38) 2-0, +4
4. Willow Glen Wreckers (3.37) 2-0, +2
5. Tallahassee Federals (3.34) 0-2, -6
6. Indianapolis Clowns (3.25) 0-2, -5
7. Otisburg Aquaracers (3.02) 0-2, -2
8. Big Inning Corn Kings (3.01) 1-1, +4
t9. San Fernando Dragons (2.95) 0-2, -11
t9. Stamford Cyberarms (2.95) 2-0, +12

Average Ranking for all Categories:
1. Canton Raiders (2.3)
2. New York Knights (3.3)
3. Tallahassee Federals (3.5)
4. Baltimore Steamers (3.6)
5. Willow Glen Wreckers (3.9)
6. Indianapolis Clowns (4.8)
7. Otisburg Aquaracers (7.6)
8. Big Inning Corn Kings (7.8)
9. San Fernando Dragons (8.3)
10. Stamford Cyberarms (8.6)

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Old 08-30-2019, 05:39 PM   #36
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I drafted for defense but it looks like I have a high powered offense lol.
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Old 08-30-2019, 05:52 PM   #37
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I'm looking for an easy site to post the data to so I can link to it here.

It's a bit crazy at the moment, hopefully I can settle into s oattern.

My mom is in the ER, I'll be going to see her shortly. We still have the friend drama going on. My daughter's friend stayed at our house last night. The more I piece together, the more i think her mother just might be insane.
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Old 08-30-2019, 05:54 PM   #38
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Sounds like you have your hands full. Hope your mom is ok!
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Old 08-30-2019, 10:05 PM   #39
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Thank you. Okay, my daughter and her friend ended up staying over another friend's house so that cuts down on some of this. My mom has been admitted and they are still doing tests.

She is having some mild dementia from a UTI (I know that seems like an off combination but this has happened before). The nurse was treating it like we had no idea what we were talking about when we told her this is what is doing it. When she is okay she may have a few minor memory issues but nothing like what happens when she gets a UTI and is admitted to the hospital. She sort of lives in her own reality when that is going on; we're lucky so far that this has been a pleasant reality. There have been times in the past where she was paranoid that people were going to kill her and other insane things like that so we are happy when she has a reality that is at least pleasant when going through this.
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Old 08-30-2019, 10:09 PM   #40
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I should have time tomorrow afternoon to get back to this. I apologize for the early pause.
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Old 08-30-2019, 11:18 PM   #41
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Odd that the nurse was acting that way; I'm pretty sure the UTI-dementia link is fairly well known. Then again, I've had several family members deal with dementia and my wife is in the medical field, so maybe my perception is skewed from normal.
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Old 08-31-2019, 02:07 PM   #42
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Added the link to the first post.

BNN Home Page

It's very basic but it should do the trick for now. Let me know if it works for everyone.
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Old 08-31-2019, 02:10 PM   #43
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Odd that the nurse was acting that way; I'm pretty sure the UTI-dementia link is fairly well known. Then again, I've had several family members deal with dementia and my wife is in the medical field, so maybe my perception is skewed from normal.

It's the 2nd time we had pushback from a nurse. The next one that came in didn't question it, however.

Just found out that she has sepsis which I know can be bad. She seems okay at this moment and they don't seem alarmed so maybe it is mild (if that is a thing).
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Odd that the nurse was acting that way; I'm pretty sure the UTI-dementia link is fairly well known. Then again, I've had several family members deal with dementia and my wife is in the medical field, so maybe my perception is skewed from normal.

It's the 2nd time we had pushback from a nurse. The next one that came in didn't question it, however.

Just found out that she has sepsis which I know can be bad. She seems okay at this moment and they don't seem alarmed so maybe it is mild (if that is a thing).
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Week 2 scheduled. Have any lineup changes in by 6:00 PM EST on Monday.

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Week 2 Results
Baltimore 4 (3-0)
Canton 1 (1-2)

Indianapolis 2 (0-3)
San Fernando 3 (1-2)
10 innings

Big Inning 0 (1-2)
Stamford 4 (3-0)

Tallahassee 6 (1-2)
Otisburg 5 (0-3)

Willow City 5 (2-1)
New York 6 (3-0)


San Fernando 3 (1-3)
Baltimore 15 (4-0)

Otisburg 2 (0-4)
Canton 5 (2-2)

Big Inning 7 (2-2)
Indianapolis 6 (0-4)

New York 14 (4-0)
Tallahassee 3 (1-3)

Stamford 5 (3-1)
Willow City 6 (3-1)
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Willow City 3-1
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Canton 2-2
Tallahassee 1-3
San Fernando 1-3
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Will post the updated site after a few. The universe seems to be against me tonight. The stomach issue mentioned in the GotW thread, my mom seems to be losing her mind a little more tonight and the teenage drama has resurfaced. My daughter's friend is apparently in the hospital in handcuffs. The only story I have heard so far is from her mother but I think she is a little insane to be honest so I don't know what to think. The last thing her mother said was something about having her church pray over her daughter because she is full of evil spirits. That kind lo loses credibility with me.
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Updated the online files.

I'm still seeing the results from the first week; is there a different url?
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