NFL 2018 Off Season Thread

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

You know, I get the viewpoint of it when it is considered an employee-employer thing. On the other hand, these owners often employ people who are definitely doing worse things than kneeling for the national anthem and somehow that is way less of a headache. I really don't care either way if a player wants to profess that they believe the earth is flat or worship Xenu or wants to wear a MAGA hat on the sidelines, whatever. The players who do these things clearly are not representative of the beliefs of their entire team or the whole team would do it. I don't care really what kind of beliefs they want to express as long as they aren't harmful to anyone. I understand that some people do care though.

I guess ultimately I am just mad that this is being made into such a huge thing when there is so much more important shit to worry about.

The employer has provided for the "stage" and the employees are taking advantage of the "stage". If the impact was positive to the bottom line, then the employers would welcome it. In this situation, the impact is negative to their bottom line and don't see why the employers can't disallow or mitigate it.

I don't really care what employee's do on their own time but they are on the job in the stadium. Sure there are other employees that do worse things but they don't have the stage.

If some players want to protest, do it on their own time outside of football. Many of them have the time and resources to do so.

[stevew]

Edleman busted for PEDs, looks like testing has finally caught up to BBs East Germany style doping!

(Jk)

[NobodyHere]

I just can't believe that a member of the Patriot organization would cheat like that.

[NobodyHere]

Andrew Luck threw a football today!

[Shkspr]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Andrew Luck threw a football today!

He's one up on Christian Hackenberg!

[NobodyHere]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...dnapping-rape/

The paths people take in life are interesting sometimes. How the hell does one go from being a football player earning millions of dollars to robbing and raping old ladies?

[Thomkal]

I'm sure his lawyer will blame CTE

[Carman Bulldog]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

I'm sure his lawyer will blame CTE

To be fair, there may be some merit to it, although based on this SI article it's unlikely to be successful in California. I do find it odd that someone at the age of 34 would start committing these offences as described without some sort of checkered history. Winslow did some stupid stuff during his career. The "I'm a soldier" line, the motorcycle crash, drug possession, etc. I don't think any of those incidents are red flags for serial rapist of the elderly however. Just a really odd situation.

[stevew]

Jameis Winston should get way more than 3 games for attempting to molest his Uber driver. And Ronald Darby should get some form of punishment for lying about it.

*Granted the new information confirming that Winston was alone is from Brandon E Banks(not the mousy Redskins/CFL returner) who is serving a 15 year bid for rape

[albionmoonlight]

The general consensus when they were coming out was that Winston was slightly more talented than Marriota, but he came with the risk of doing stupid shit that would get him suspended or worse.

This seems to be one of the rare instances where things played out exactly like we thought they would.

[NobodyHere]

Ruh-roh

Police investigating after body discovered at home of New York Giants CB Janoris Jenkins

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by stevew

Jameis Winston should get way more than 3 games for attempting to molest his Uber driver. And Ronald Darby should get some form of punishment for lying about it.

*Granted the new information confirming that Winston was alone is from Brandon E Banks(not the mousy Redskins/CFL returner) who is serving a 15 year bid for rape

Obviously there were a few aggravating or mitigating factors that forced the NFL to only give 3 games as opposed to the mandatory 6 games they would have given him per their zero tolerance policy

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ameis-winston/

[NobodyHere]

I think Winston promising not to appeal has something to do with only a 3 game punishment.

[albionmoonlight]

Cute story:

Eagles' Doug Pederson, Saints' Sean Payton made a bet; it will impact their matchup in Week 11 | NJ.com

[stevew]

Seems like a good chance Shady has played his last NFL down. Barring some insane setup, he's done.

[stevew]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-strange-turn/

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by stevew

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-strange-turn/

wow I was waiting for the "other shoe to drop" to comment on Shady because the full story wasn't out there yet. (and still may not be). Attacking his girlfriend would have been personal, but his child and dog too? So now it makes more sense that a "stranger" did it. He's certainly done in the NFL in either case.

[BishopMVP]

Only outcome that absolves McCoy is if she set up the assault herself to avoid being evicted from the house he owns, but it sounds much more likely he hired (or told) someone to go in and rob her. Whether he intended the assault to happen at that point or not, he should be done.

Brandon Browner also charged with home invasion etc on an ex-girlfriend.

In shocking news, Pac-Man Jones was also involved in an altercation at an airport, but apparently was the victim in his & even the airport spokesman is supporting him.

[Thomkal]

shocking that Jones was the victim

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Only outcome that absolves McCoy is if she set up the assault herself to avoid being evicted from the house he owns, but it sounds much more likely he hired (or told) someone to go in and rob her. Whether he intended the assault to happen at that point or not, he should be done.

Brandon Browner also charged with home invasion etc on an ex-girlfriend.

In shocking news, Pac-Man Jones was also involved in an altercation at an airport, but apparently was the victim in his & even the airport spokesman is supporting him.

TMZ has the video. Jones definitely punches back when he could have walked away, but the airport employee (in uniform) was certainly the aggressor.

[Carman Bulldog]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

wow I was waiting for the "other shoe to drop" to comment on Shady because the full story wasn't out there yet. (and still may not be). Attacking his girlfriend would have been personal, but his child and dog too? So now it makes more sense that a "stranger" did it. He's certainly done in the NFL in either case.

It's all a lot of conjecture at this point. I'm not saying the other shoe won't drop, but I don't think it has at this point. I know that the NFL is pretty quick to hand out suspensions, but it doesn't seem like there is anything really substantial here (yet).

[miami_fan]

Is McCoy still a productive RB? If he still is, then he will be fine.

[stevew]

Have you guys seen that lady's face?

Shady at best will get one of those administrative suspensions while this is being sorted out. His career is probably over

[Carman Bulldog]

Originally Posted by stevew

Have you guys seen that lady's face?

Shady at best will get one of those administrative suspensions while this is being sorted out. His career is probably over

I saw the pictures. I thought this happened in Georgia and McCoy was in Florida at the time. That’s not to say he had no involvement, just that it’s not as cut and dry as Ray Rice on camera in an elevator.

[miami_fan]

NFL offensive lineman Richie Incognito named ambassador of anti-bullying organization Boo2Bullying

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

NFL offensive lineman Richie Incognito named ambassador of anti-bullying organization Boo2Bullying

That's like Bristol Palin being an ambassador for an anti-teen pregnancy organization.

[Thomkal]

Miami Dolphins have new "Proper Anthem Conduct." Anyone who kneels during the national anthem will be suspended 4 games. Guess Miami will start 0-4 then after they have to forfeit their first 4 games...

[Johnny93g]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Miami Dolphins have new "Proper Anthem Conduct." Anyone who kneels during the national anthem will be suspended 4 games. Guess Miami will start 0-4 then after they have to forfeit their first 4 games...

With that said, if any sort of fine or suspension does become a rule for the Dolphins, as a Dolphins fan, i hope every single player kneels, or protests, every single game.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Guess Miami will start 0-4 then after they have to forfeit their first 4 games...

More respectable start than allowing the oxygen wasters to act up on the company dime.

[Logan]

Amazing that a team would willfully adopt a policy that is literally guaranteed to divide its own fan base.

[NobodyHere]

What would you suggest to heal the divide?

[JPhillips]

[Thomkal]

LOL

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

More respectable start than allowing the oxygen wasters to act up on the company dime.

These so-called "oxygen wasters" are what the NFL is built upon. These rich, billionaire owners only make money with their franchises because these young men are willing to sacrifice their bodies for the game. Yes, they get paid well for it, but the owners get paid even better. The NFL has built its legacy and fortunes on the carnage of young (primarily black) men's bodies. Once these guys are no longer of use they are largely discarded and forgotten. These players should have every right to use the NFL, the league built on their talents and bodies, to peacefully protest the injustices they and millions of other Americans face on a daily basis. The NFL owes them as much.

I know you feel the exact opposite and will never agree, but that's your thing. I've "known" you around here for a long, long time now and while I used to harbor anger frustration, I really just feel sad for whatever happened to you to make you so utterly and completely consumed by fear and anger. I know you don't want nor will accept my pity, but you have it. Like Yoda said: "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." After reading so many thousands of your posts over the years, your suffering is incredibly apparent.

All that being said, the NFL is ridiculous. They are such a pathetic, awful, disgusting, and poorly run organization. It's astounding how they continue to do the wrong each and every time there's an opportunity to do so.

[NobodyHere]

And if these millionaires want to push politics into an entertainment event, I like many others will simply change the channel.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

And if these millionaires want to push politics I oppose into an entertainment event, I like many others will simply change the channel.

Fixed it for you.

The NFL partnership with DoD has always been political.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Fixed it for you.

The NFL partnership with DoD has always been political.

Seriously. The NFL has wrapped itself up with faux patriotism for years.

[NobodyHere]

The NFL partnership with the DoD is more commercial than political IMO.

[JPhillips]

DoD was always looking for a partnership that would provide positive PR for military policies and priorities. The NFL was happy to help in those efforts.

[NobodyHere]

That's pretty much the way commercials work.

[JPhillips]

I don't see the distinction. DoD had a political message that the NFL was happy to facilitate. Where are we disagreeing?

[NobodyHere]

I don't see the relationship between the DoD and NFL as a political one, I see it as a commercial one. The DoD pays the NFL for pro-military displays.

I don't watch entertainment events to be preached at by millionaires. I just want to be entertained and get away from political BS. I don't go to restaurants to hear rants by employees whether I agree with them or not. I just want some food.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I don't see the relationship between the DoD and NFL as a political one, I see it as a commercial one. The DoD pays the NFL for pro-military displays.

I don't watch entertainment events to be preached at by millionaires. I just want to be entertained and get away from political BS

That really feels like some active cognitive dissonance to me. Its totally fine to like one and not the other and to admit bias, IMO, go for it. But to not see the MASSIVE government sponsored patriotic displays including trotting out veterans and often mentions of veterans or wars by the announcers as being preached at by the government and the NFL, but seeing an individual kneeling as being forced to endure being preached at... that explanation simply does not sit straight with me.

[molson]

This was all dying down before the NFL decided to bring it back to the headlines for some reason.

This is going to be like the Occupy Wall Street protests that ultimately became about authority generally and the nature of protests. More players are going to want to get involved the harder the NFL pushes back, and the more it becomes a protest against rules against protesting.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Radii

That really feels like some active cognitive dissonance to me. Its totally fine to like one and not the other and to admit bias, IMO, go for it. But to not see the MASSIVE government sponsored patriotic displays including trotting out veterans and often mentions of veterans or wars by the announcers as being preached at by the government and the NFL, but seeing an individual kneeling as being forced to endure being preached at... that explanation simply does not sit straight with me.

I guess I don't see a military display as political preaching.

Originally Posted by molson

This was all dying down before the NFL decided to bring it back to the headlines for some reason.

This is going to be like the Occupy Wall Street protests that ultimately became about authority generally and the nature of protests. More players are going to want to get involved the harder the NFL pushes back, and the more it becomes a protest against rules against protesting.

This wasn't going to go away on its own in the near future. The kneelers have no reason to stop and you can be damn well sure that Trump is going to draw attention to it during a mid term election season.

[NobodyHere]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...dies-at-age-56

[NobodyHere]

This fails my smell test but I'll throw it out there anyways

https://nypost.com/2018/07/24/odell-...woman-for-sex/

[Julio Riddols]

I think this upcoming lockout is going to be pivotal. The players have to come in unified and willing to never play in the NFL again if they are going to get a fair shake from the owners. That's going to be hard to pull off because it is way harder to get 1700 men to agree than it is to get 32 of them to. Weird how that divide sort of mirrors the one our country faces right now..

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Julio Riddols

I think this upcoming lockout is going to be pivotal. The players have to come in unified and willing to never play in the NFL again if they are going to get a fair shake from the owners. That's going to be hard to pull off because it is way harder to get 1700 men to agree than it is to get 32 of them to. Weird how that divide sort of mirrors the one our country faces right now..

Also, the owners can stand a much longer lockout than the players. If the NFL stops for two years, they would all lose a ton of value, but they would all still be incredibly rich dudes.

The players have (1) a very short time when they can earn money as athletes, and (2) much smaller cash reserves.

I would suspect that after just a few missed paychecks, a lot of players will have trouble making house payments, etc. It simply isn't credible when the union says that the players would be willing to sit out an entire season.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I would suspect that after just a few missed paychecks, a lot of players will have trouble making house payments, etc. It simply isn't credible when the union says that the players would be willing to sit out an entire season.

Enter Vince McMahon...