Werewolf XXV: A long time ago...game over, Sith win,full role listing at 2030 - Page 13

Poli · 03-05-2006, 07:30 PM

It should be noted you wouldn't have a vote had you not gone after a Jedi.

dubb93 · 03-05-2006, 07:31 PM

And it looked like Qwik voted AE early, possibly to get a wolf vote in early since it looked like AE was the vote today. I've done this many times when I was a wolf. However he was given another solid candidate and he took it with the saying, "I'm easily swayed." If AE is lynched and turns out to be a sith then it obviously gives us other sith as well.

Barkeep49 · 03-05-2006, 07:32 PM

I should note that if the person we lynch is a Sith I think we learn a lot from the lynch. So if that happens we're in good shape.

Dubb can you give specifics about that? It doesn't match my informal recollection.

Desnudo · 03-05-2006, 07:32 PM

Dubb actually started the argument for Ardent, Barkeep.

Desnudo · 03-05-2006, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Ok let me play the role of hoops for a minute.

We're likely to lynch either Dubb or Ardent tonight. There are 4 possibilties between these two:
1. Neither is a Sith
2. Ardent is a Sith
3. Dubb is a Sith
4. Both are Sith

Now for the sake of this argument it's irrelevant what direction we go for the lynch. My question is what do we learn if the person who we lynch turns out to be Jedi. Assuming no new information, do we then go for the other person? This then leads to the risk that it is villager A vs villager B and we're in no better shape.

This is further complicated for me as neither Dubb nor Ardent has, in the posts I quickly skimmed over for each, been particularly vocal about anybody. In essence I think we learn very little from tonight's lynching and are in a terrible situation for tomorrow. I guess what this is saying is that I supprot cartman's move back to qwik. I feel pretty good about him being a villager. But I think FAR more is learned from finding out about him then either of these two.

Dola, sorry wasn't expecting things to move this quickly on a Sunday afternoon.

dubb93 · 03-05-2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Dubb can you give specifics about that? It doesn't match my informal recollection.

About what?

Barkeep49 · 03-05-2006, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

About what?

The bandwagon being the same here and to save Qwik.

hoopsguy · 03-05-2006, 07:35 PM

Barkeep, I'm certainly willing to go back down that path (Qwikshot).

Dubb was vocal about Lathum, but that obviously didn't worked out well.
Ardent wasn't vocal about anyone, although he did cite mckerney and Dubb earlier. And you and I a couple of minutes ago.

TazFTW · 03-05-2006, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

The bandwagon being the same here and to save Qwik.

I believe he is referring to the late votes for Superman by Gramm, Ardent, and Sack.

SnDvls · 03-05-2006, 07:37 PM

I really don't have a read on anyone yet. If we are to continue to make this a two person race like the last two lynches then fine. I'm believing AE more than dubb at this point so that is where I'm putting my vote tonight.

Vote Dubb

KWhit · 03-05-2006, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

It's all you're getting out me this game.

Ardent = No passion in this game. No role, no passion.

Can't say I like this statement. Last game he "quit" to throw us off the fact that he was evil. This time he is acting disinterested and says he has no passsion for the game. Don't know if he is evil this time or not, but even if he's a jedi, having no passion for the game just because you don't have a roll isn't very helpful to the rest of us.

Vote Ardent Enthusiast

dubb93 · 03-05-2006, 07:38 PM

The bandwagon to save Quik was qwik unvoting himself, Gramm, Sack, and Ardent.

At 5 to 5 of those 4 Qwik had voted Ardent, Ardent had voted me and Sack had voted me. To break the tie Gramm votes me in post 486. He is followed by Qwik unvoting Ardent to vote me. They are now all on me, with 2 of them moving the bandwagon on the tie to put it pretty far out of reach right now.

hoopsguy · 03-05-2006, 07:39 PM

Well, the three late votes changes from Qwik to Superman were Gram, Sack, and AE. All three of those people are on Dubb at the moment.

Here is what I show for votes, which gives information about when the votes came in as well (post numbers).

Ardent - Dubb (532), Hoops (550), mckerney (558), Barkeep (561)

Dubb - Ardent (542), Schmidty (553), Sack (556), Jeeber (578), Desnudo (583), Gram (586), Qwik (588)

Qwikshot - Cartman (594)

Not Voted: KWhit, TazFTW, Tangle, King, Penny, StKelly, SnDvls

Barkeep49 · 03-05-2006, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Barkeep, I'm certainly willing to go back down that path (Qwikshot).

Dubb was vocal about Lathum, but that obviously didn't worked out well.
Ardent wasn't vocal about anyone, although he did cite mckerney and Dubb earlier. And you and I a couple of minutes ago.

Yeah frankly I thought his reference of you and me, more you then me, was BS in this situation.

dubb93 · 03-05-2006, 07:40 PM

With that I have to go watch a movie with my girlfriend. May or may not have time to get back b/f the deadline. Look at the evidence. That is all we have to go by at this point. Look at the "group" votes, and the same people that killed Superman moved the vote on me once it was tied.

hoopsguy · 03-05-2006, 07:40 PM

Updated through Post #614

Ardent - Dubb (532), Hoops (550), mckerney (558), Barkeep (561), KWhit (611)

Dubb - Ardent (542), Schmidty (553), Sack (556), Jeeber (578), Desnudo (583), Gram (586), Qwik (588), SnDvls (610)

Qwikshot - Cartman (594)

Not Voted: TazFTW, Tangle, King, Penny, StKelly

Barkeep49 · 03-05-2006, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93

The bandwagon to save Quik was qwik unvoting himself, Gramm, Sack, and Ardent.

At 5 to 5 of those 4 Qwik had voted Ardent, Ardent had voted me and Sack had voted me. To break the tie Gramm votes me in post 486. He is followed by Qwik unvoting Ardent to vote me. They are now all on me, with 2 of them moving the bandwagon on the tie to put it pretty far out of reach right now.

Ok I stand corrected. This does appear that more information would be gained by an Ardent lynch, and frankly since I HATE defeatist attitudes, especially one that I think is as manufactored as AE's, my vote'll stick.

mckerney · 03-05-2006, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

I'm swaying between Dubb and AE, possibly Qwick also. Going back to mor e carefully reread soe posts now just before deciding on a vote.

This is how I feel right now, but think I have the most to learn by voting for ardent right now.

Poli · 03-05-2006, 07:44 PM

I'm tempted to switch my vote to myself just to prove you wrong, barkeep.

tanglewood · 03-05-2006, 07:44 PM

I think AE is playing either a pretty crappy game, or trying to throw everyone off with a fake sense of apathy. His posts seem rather disjointed and I would certainly think a villager would be working harder to save himself in the interests of the village.

Vote Ardent

Poli · 03-05-2006, 07:45 PM

Heh, I'll gamble. You have more to learn by my death? Cool.

UNVOTE DUBB
VOTE ARDENT

I want to fight barkeep and dubb now if I get the choice.

Poli · 03-05-2006, 07:45 PM

Now, may my death as a Jedi mean something.

mckerney · 03-05-2006, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Ok I stand corrected. This does appear that more information would be gained by an Ardent lynch, and frankly since I HATE defeatist attitudes, especially one that I think is as manufactored as AE's, my vote'll stick.

This sums up how I feel with my vote.

Barkeep49 · 03-05-2006, 07:46 PM

Ardent my vote's sticking. I think we learn far more from lynching you then dubb at this pont for my reasons stated earlier. Please feel free to join me in voting for you.

TazFTW · 03-05-2006, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Heh, I'll gamble. You have more to learn by my death? Cool.

UNVOTE DUBB
VOTE ARDENT

I want to fight barkeep and dubb now if I get the choice.

Brutal?

Grammaticus · 03-05-2006, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Heh, I'll gamble. You have more to learn by my death? Cool.

UNVOTE DUBB
VOTE ARDENT

I want to fight barkeep and dubb now if I get the choice.

I think this makes it a tie.

Grammaticus · 03-05-2006, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Heh, I'll gamble. You have more to learn by my death? Cool.

UNVOTE DUBB
VOTE ARDENT

I want to fight barkeep and dubb now if I get the choice.

I think this makes it a tie. I

Grammaticus · 03-05-2006, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Heh, I'll gamble. You have more to learn by my death? Cool.

UNVOTE DUBB
VOTE ARDENT

I want to fight barkeep and dubb now if I get the choice.

I think this makes it a tie. I bet

Barkeep49 · 03-05-2006, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Now, may my death as a Jedi mean something.

I'm impressed that you're actually putting up. But if you hope they lynch me, little'll be found. I promise.

Grammaticus · 03-05-2006, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

I think this makes it a tie. I bet

Wow that was weird, didn't mean to triple post. Trying to say, I bet Dubb comes back to check on things.

Barkeep49 · 03-05-2006, 07:48 PM

Yes it does appear to make it a tie.

Desnudo · 03-05-2006, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Heh, I'll gamble. You have more to learn by my death? Cool.

UNVOTE DUBB
VOTE ARDENT

I want to fight barkeep and dubb now if I get the choice.

I thought you didn't have any special role?

Poli · 03-05-2006, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TazFTW

Brutal?

I wish, I'd take barkeep with me if I could.

mckerney · 03-05-2006, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TazFTW

Brutal?

Perhaps, I think at this point lynching ardent is a risk we should take with the possability of another villager or brutal.

Poli · 03-05-2006, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desnudo

I thought you didn't have any special role?

I mean in my death scene.

Barkeep49 · 03-05-2006, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckerney

Perhaps, I think at this point lynching ardent is a risk we should take with the possability of another villager or brutal.

If he brutals me out of the game, I can live with that consequence.

Barkeep49 · 03-05-2006, 07:50 PM

Taz have you voted? Hoops has you on his no vote list.

Desnudo · 03-05-2006, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TazFTW

Brutal?

I think Dubb is the more likely suspect out of the two. AE certainly knows enough about being a wolf to avoid having been dragged into this discussion in the first place. Which is my real problem with the original vote, driven by dubb.

Barkeep49 · 03-05-2006, 07:52 PM

Ardent once tried to protect himself by claiming to be a dreamweaver. I think he has just about every move possible in his arsenal and as such I expect that 98% of everything that goes into his posts to be well thought gameplay.

Poli · 03-05-2006, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

If he brutals me out of the game, I can live with that consequence.

I so would if I could.

TazFTW · 03-05-2006, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Taz have you voted? Hoops has you on his no vote list.

No, I have not. I'm still debating where it is going to go.

Desnudo · 03-05-2006, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Ardent once tried to protect himself by claiming to be a dreamweaver. I think he has just about every move possible in his arsenal and as such I expect that 98% of everything that goes into his posts to be well thought gameplay.

Definitely. I underestimated him in one game and won't make the same mistake. However, it seems a little early to be sacrificing yourself as a wolf.

Barkeep49 · 03-05-2006, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TazFTW

No, I have not. I'm still debating where it is going to go.

Well I think we all want to avoid a tie so I would encourage you to do so sooner rather than later as some of the other non-voters might still come around.

Barkeep49 · 03-05-2006, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Definitely. I underestimated him in one game and won't make the same mistake. However, it seems a little early to be sacrificing yourself as a wolf.

I will only believe that ardent's voting for himself at 9:31 with voting closed and not a moment before and would encourage others to view it the same way.

Desnudo · 03-05-2006, 07:56 PM

Also, if AE isn't the brutal wolf, would the real brutal wolf come foward please? It would help clear things up a lot. I kid.

mckerney · 03-05-2006, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I will only believe that ardent's voting for himself at 9:31 with voting closed and not a moment before and would encourage others to view it the same way.

Agreed. For those of us voting for ardent I wouldn't feel comfortable that with it actually being a tie or him in the lead as long as he has the ability to swing it by changing his own vote. I think we need to have the total in favor of him being lynched with his vote assumed being for dubb.

Poli · 03-05-2006, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TazFTW

No, I have not. I'm still debating where it is going to go.

Vote Ardent and end this charade.

Poli · 03-05-2006, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I will only believe that ardent's voting for himself at 9:31 with voting closed and not a moment before and would encourage others to view it the same way.

? Voting is closed?

Poli · 03-05-2006, 08:02 PM

Gramm, please unvote Dubb. Thank you.

Grammaticus · 03-05-2006, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Gramm, please unvote Dubb. Thank you.

Why do you have a death wish?

03-05-2006, 07:30 PM	#601
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	It should be noted you wouldn't have a vote had you not gone after a Jedi. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-05-2006, 07:44 PM	#619
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I'm tempted to switch my vote to myself just to prove you wrong, barkeep. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-05-2006, 07:45 PM	#621
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Heh, I'll gamble. You have more to learn by my death? Cool. UNVOTE DUBB VOTE ARDENT I want to fight barkeep and dubb now if I get the choice. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-05-2006, 07:45 PM	#622
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Now, may my death as a Jedi mean something. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-05-2006, 08:02 PM	#649
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Gramm, please unvote Dubb. Thank you. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

03-05-2006, 07:32 PM	#603
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I should note that if the person we lynch is a Sith I think we learn a lot from the lynch. So if that happens we're in good shape. Dubb can you give specifics about that? It doesn't match my informal recollection.

03-05-2006, 07:32 PM	#604
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Dubb actually started the argument for Ardent, Barkeep.

03-05-2006, 07:35 PM	#608
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Barkeep, I'm certainly willing to go back down that path (Qwikshot). Dubb was vocal about Lathum, but that obviously didn't worked out well. Ardent wasn't vocal about anyone, although he did cite mckerney and Dubb earlier. And you and I a couple of minutes ago.

03-05-2006, 07:37 PM	#610
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	I really don't have a read on anyone yet. If we are to continue to make this a two person race like the last two lynches then fine. I'm believing AE more than dubb at this point so that is where I'm putting my vote tonight. Vote Dubb

03-05-2006, 07:39 PM	#613
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Well, the three late votes changes from Qwik to Superman were Gram, Sack, and AE. All three of those people are on Dubb at the moment. Here is what I show for votes, which gives information about when the votes came in as well (post numbers). Ardent - Dubb (532), Hoops (550), mckerney (558), Barkeep (561) Dubb - Ardent (542), Schmidty (553), Sack (556), Jeeber (578), Desnudo (583), Gram (586), Qwik (588) Qwikshot - Cartman (594) Not Voted: KWhit, TazFTW, Tangle, King, Penny, StKelly, SnDvls

03-05-2006, 07:40 PM	#616
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Updated through Post #614 Ardent - Dubb (532), Hoops (550), mckerney (558), Barkeep (561), KWhit (611) Dubb - Ardent (542), Schmidty (553), Sack (556), Jeeber (578), Desnudo (583), Gram (586), Qwik (588), SnDvls (610) Qwikshot - Cartman (594) Not Voted: TazFTW, Tangle, King, Penny, StKelly

03-05-2006, 07:44 PM	#620
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	I think AE is playing either a pretty crappy game, or trying to throw everyone off with a fake sense of apathy. His posts seem rather disjointed and I would certainly think a villager would be working harder to save himself in the interests of the village. Vote Ardent

03-05-2006, 07:46 PM	#624
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Ardent my vote's sticking. I think we learn far more from lynching you then dubb at this pont for my reasons stated earlier. Please feel free to join me in voting for you.

03-05-2006, 07:48 PM	#631
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Yes it does appear to make it a tie.

03-05-2006, 07:50 PM	#637
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Taz have you voted? Hoops has you on his no vote list.

03-05-2006, 07:52 PM	#639
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Ardent once tried to protect himself by claiming to be a dreamweaver. I think he has just about every move possible in his arsenal and as such I expect that 98% of everything that goes into his posts to be well thought gameplay.

03-05-2006, 07:56 PM	#645
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Also, if AE isn't the brutal wolf, would the real brutal wolf come foward please? It would help clear things up a lot. I kid.

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