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Old 02-13-2011, 09:08 PM   #701
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Old 02-13-2011, 09:51 PM   #702
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I would hope people don't need to move the deadline - as Autumn pointed out, we had some extra time.

But people probably should not plan on a packed room as the deadline approaches tomorrow. So get your votes/discussion in early

And agree this has been a fun game so far, based on the group and the moderator/ruleset.
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Old 02-13-2011, 10:19 PM   #703
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For others, tomorrow is crazy cuz they're going out with significant others and what not. For me, it's just Monday--a two job day.

I can deal and have dealt with that in the past. Issue is, at my day job, where I have access to this site, we moved over the weekend to a new location in our office, and in this new place, my cubicle and monitor screen are now visible to my boss. Ugh.

Now, my boss is pretty kick back. That said, I'm going to have to be much more circumspect, so don't expect much participation from me in the day time going forward. This will probably be a return to earlier in my WW days, when I hadn't found a way around the firewall at work.

P.S. I agree, it has been a fun game. It will be interesting to see where it all ends up.
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:03 AM   #704
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Vote McKerney

In case I don't have time tomorrow
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Old 02-14-2011, 04:45 AM   #705
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I just have to give Kudos to Autumn. This game has renewed my love for WW and hopefully some of the new blood sticks around. I am literally chomping at the bit for the next game.

I had been thinking the same thing. Very well put together.
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:31 AM   #706
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For others, tomorrow is crazy cuz they're going out with significant others and what not. For me, it's just Monday--a two job day.

I can deal and have dealt with that in the past. Issue is, at my day job, where I have access to this site, we moved over the weekend to a new location in our office, and in this new place, my cubicle and monitor screen are now visible to my boss. Ugh.

Now, my boss is pretty kick back. That said, I'm going to have to be much more circumspect, so don't expect much participation from me in the day time going forward. This will probably be a return to earlier in my WW days, when I hadn't found a way around the firewall at work.

P.S. I agree, it has been a fun game. It will be interesting to see where it all ends up.

you can try what i do...switch to the Child of vBullitin3 skin so it is light blue, and then resize the window to be the same size as the preview pane in MS outlook...that way i have the board open and anyone that walks by thinks i am looking at an email since my inbox is still up in the background and all they see on the bottom is text.
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:33 AM   #707
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Yeah..today's vote is pivotal. If there isn't much debating going on today it will definitely benefit the Mafia. Lets hope the votes for crimson or mckeeney can create something. Ill be on the road this afternoon but carpooling so ill be here as much as I can.
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Old 02-14-2011, 09:23 AM   #708
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well i dont know how i feel about either Crimson or McKerney, but i am still feeling a serious amount of BS coming from Hoops...yes, i realize there would have been no reason for him to come out with anything...he could have just let sleeping dogs lie in terms of what happened Friday night, but lets not forget we are talking about the guy that was outed as a wolf and still convinced a whole game full of people to vote for someone else instead of him...he is arguable the best player on the board, so i hardly think a fake reveal that buys him trust from the village is outside the scope of his wolf abilities

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Old 02-14-2011, 09:27 AM   #709
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I had been thinking the same thing. Very well put together.

Yeah, this games looks like fun. If I had played this instead of the real thing last week I'd probably come out ahead .
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Old 02-14-2011, 10:47 AM   #710
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saldana, I've done that a couple of times but I don't need to get tricky this time around. Nor do I think that the game is really constructed in a manner to encourage fake reveals like some others (last game, for example).

Anyway, I'm buried with work stuff today and I'm not going to have as much time for analysis as I would like. But I haven't heard anything yet that makes me think the vote for Daddy Torgo yesterday was a bad move so I'll go back to that well for now.

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Old 02-14-2011, 11:00 AM   #711
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In no way is hoops clear, but I don't think a run on him today is necessary. Definitely a candidate worthy of being scanned.
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:00 AM   #712
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There is a bit of info I have been keeping from y'all. since I was the only one to have it before the roles were won last time. the escort service's purpose is to block folks from using thier services or roles. I used it on PF on night 1.
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:06 AM   #713
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Of the candidates that have been brought up today I am leaning towards either DT or CF today. Clearly I was in favor of the move to DT. (and to remind folks that was slower than you thought...1st mention was at 7:08) I think CrimsonFox has been playing low and slow.
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:07 AM   #714
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There is a bit of info I have been keeping from y'all. since I was the only one to have it before the roles were won last time. the escort service's purpose is to block folks from using thier services or roles. I used it on PF on night 1.

Were you told if he had a service and what service it was?
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:20 AM   #715
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no I was not told if he had a service. I don't know if that means he didn't , or that I don't get that info, Chief.
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:25 AM   #716
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Rather the escort service blocks night activity instead of all roles and service. if there is a day operated service the escorts will have no power to block that
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:26 AM   #717
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Old 02-14-2011, 11:59 AM   #718
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I just have to give Kudos to Autumn. This game has renewed my love for WW and hopefully some of the new blood sticks around. I am literally chomping at the bit for the next game.

Wow, that's awesome, Lathum. I think we've finally got the ball rolling again.
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:04 PM   #719
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mckerney (2) - mauboy1 689, Darth Vilus 704, JAG 717
crimson fox (1) - The jackal 678
hoopsguy (1) - saldana 708
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:06 PM   #720
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You can bid on the following services on Day 3:

Tank Wallace, Professional Bodyguard - hire Tank for protection
Mario Juarez, Private Investigator - Mario will get the dirt on anyone you want
Cassie's Escort Agency - there's lots of things to do in Vegas at night
Knuckles Cassini - word is that if you want someone taken care of, Knuckles will do your dirty work
Destiny, Vegas Showgirl - everyone in town spends some time with Destiny in their lap, for a price
Speedeez Courier Service - you need to send a message, Speedeez will get it there
Kalustian Betting Parlor - This bookie's got his fingers in every bet in town
24 Hour Check Cashing - When you need to move money in a hurry
Janet Williams, City Hall Clerk - Janet processes very tax, fee and license in Sin City
Graceland Wedding Chapel - Vegas is the perfect place to fall in love, quickly

Bumping to the current page.
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:07 PM   #721
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umm not to pick nits but isn't that 3 on mckerney?
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:07 PM   #722
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just because i am lazyl, what is the case against McKerney?
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:09 PM   #723
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just because i am lazyl, what is the case against McKerney?

Somewhat UTR, fits the day 1 bet/voted on Lathum mechanic.
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:15 PM   #724
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Corrected Vote count as of post #723

mckerney (3) - mauboy1 689, Darth Vilus 704, JAG 717
crimson fox (1) - The jackal 678
hoopsguy (1) - saldana 708
daddy torgo (1) - hoopsguy 710


I guess if you're going to get all technical and count all the votes.
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:18 PM   #725
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just call me Mr. technical!
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:20 PM   #726
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Just to make sure we have two viable candidates especially early.

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Old 02-14-2011, 12:21 PM   #727
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If you were Mr. technical, you'd point out the typo in Janet William's description.
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:25 PM   #728
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Mr. technical cares not for mere grammer!
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:25 PM   #729
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:25 PM   #730
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or speling
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:55 PM   #731
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Response to me saying the seer should reveal their targets since it's a revolving role.




Yes, Jackal that vote on you was a total joke because you provided the perfect setup for a punchline and even your reaction was funny. I didn't plan on leaving the vote there, but then something very interesting happened. For no reason, a minirun started on you. (from Lathum and DV). I hung there to see what further would happen. Lathum is now known to be a villager. DV is assumed innocent from a scan I think. But it does point to the increased amount of runs we've had so far, especially toward the end of the day.

The other thing that bothers me is the first day nightkill. Danny was the target. This happens a LOT and it was explained to me before that the reason is "because he's a good player" and that it's good to get rid of him early. Only longtime regular players know that though and say that, not the many newbies we have. Someone like (of the people left) Chief Rum or hoopsguy or Jackal or someone like that. Since I've seen hoopsguy jump onto runs so far that made me look, I think he's very suspicious.

The other thing that bothers me is mauboy. Every vote has been on mckerney. This is a very Poli-ish move to hide your intentions and cover them up with the excuse of "well I always do that" when many times poli was a wolf doing that. Compounded with the frequency of him joining bandwagons, he is suspicious to me.

But I think my first guess is right.

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Old 02-14-2011, 01:01 PM   #732
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I figured it was a joke vote, but as you said the run started on top of it. But I'm not voting you out of spite for the "joke" or "flyby" vote, whatever you want to call it. Same reasoning that's on mckerney I suppose, I felt that betting on and voting for Lathum was a great place for a wolf to be on day 1, as noted by myself and others in the thread. So that's my backing behind it. But I'm alright with the others on the block too (mckerney, DT). Hoops.. that's an interesting angle that I don't think I'll be participating in quite yet. If he is a villager it's a waste to lynch him. Though he's been busy so far, as a villager he's a great weapon to have.
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:09 PM   #733
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Vote tyketime

I still don't really get the line of reasoning that betting on the person who told others to bet on him when we had nothing else to go on is any sort of a strong indication of being a wolf. What remains far more suspicious to me is the day two voting on DV, with the message ntn claimed to have received and DV being cleared by the seer. tyketime is someone who made that play while staying under the radar mostly, he's got my vote for now. I'm certainly open to changing later I'll do it, but for now I'd rather have my vote on a candidate I think has the strongest chance of being a wolf.
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:14 PM   #734
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I also think it's a bit worrisome that we haven't seen the betting from day two. I would hope that the winner would come forward with it, but at this point it wouldn't surprise me if the wolves bought it to cover their tracks.
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:16 PM   #735
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I also think it's a bit worrisome that we haven't seen the betting from day two. I would hope that the winner would come forward with it, but at this point it wouldn't surprise me if the wolves bought it to cover their tracks.

Maybe whoever won that service died?
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:20 PM   #736
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I also think it's a bit worrisome that we haven't seen the betting from day two. I would hope that the winner would come forward with it, but at this point it wouldn't surprise me if the wolves bought it to cover their tracks.

My guess is that the winner of the betting parlor on Day Two chose to use the other option, whcih is less beneficial to the village, but more beneficial to the service owner.

I chose the village option on Night One, because it was the only time I thought it would be particularly useful. Otherwise, I would have gone with the other option, too.
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:20 PM   #737
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mckerney (3) - mauboy1 689, Darth Vilus 704, JAG 717
crimson fox (2) - The jackal 678, zinto 726
hoopsguy (2) - saldana 708, crimsonfox 731
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:24 PM   #738
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So if I don't vote anyone early and just piled on without unvoting someone I'd be clear? Ill take notes for next time... riiiight.
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:24 PM   #739
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My guess is that the winner of the betting parlor on Day Two chose to use the other option, whcih is less beneficial to the village, but more beneficial to the service owner.

I chose the village option on Night One, because it was the only time I thought it would be particularly useful. Otherwise, I would have gone with the other option, too.

Ah, I wasn't aware there were two options for it.
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:25 PM   #740
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Maybe whoever won that service died?

Possible, still hoping we somehow get the info though.
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:29 PM   #741
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Maybe whoever won that service died?

Or the person is waiting for everyone's reveal as to see if they are being truthful. CR stated that the other reward is a good one so its probably as I stated.. you get insider info and win automatically for the next bet.
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:34 PM   #742
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Or the person is waiting for everyone's reveal as to see if they are being truthful. CR stated that the other reward is a good one so its probably as I stated.. you get insider info and win automatically for the next bet.

It's been a while, I think everyone's revealed who's going to -- I can't see anyone waiting this long, especially with a lot of people not around this deadline.
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:36 PM   #743
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I think everyone needs to read the weekend stuff...
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Old 02-14-2011, 02:13 PM   #744
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I think everyone needs to read the weekend stuff...

Can you clue people in as to what you want them to read? If you're hung up on getting everyone to reveal, it's just not going to happen. And if you're the one wanting people to reveal so you can verify it, you're going to have to bang the drum a lot louder than just giving some hints about what you want. And if you're referring to something else, again, you're going to have to get a little louder to get it talked about. Not a lot of info regarding that was given to the public, so no one really knows what to think of it, probably.
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Old 02-14-2011, 02:15 PM   #745
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FYI, I bet on Crimson Fox for today and Chief Rum yesterday. I figured we'd have enough villager coverage on DV to make up for the three wolves that would've bet him had he turned out to be a wolf and wanted to bet on a Lathum voter. I don't know that I find him more or less tempting a target than other Lathum voters though.

I would propose laying off Pass for today and hopefully we can get a seer scan of him tonight. For one, if he's good and hoops is telling the truth, he has some money that can help the village. For two, if he ends up being a wolf, then hoops looks somewhat more suspicious to me (combo of betting him on D1, possibly trying to mitigate an unlucky D1 lynch of a fellow wolf) and DT would definitely look more suspicious since Pass believed he was saving him with last night's vote. On the other hand, if Pass is cleared (and I've read him as good since the beginning for what it's worth) would make me feel better about hoops, because it would appear he's revealing accurate information that he otherwise shouldn't be able to get from a villager. A scan there seems to provide a lot of value, assuming we can trust the person who provides it, which is of course the 64k question.

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just not sure i agree with JAGs reveal of today's bet.

I'll do your work for you. Are you saying that you have info that JAG bet on someone other than Chief Rum?
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Old 02-14-2011, 02:25 PM   #746
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I'll do your work for you. Are you saying that you have info that JAG bet on someone other than Chief Rum?

You lost me pass? I didn't agree with his reveal for today's bet because now if he happened to be right the wolves would know and prolly night kill him. Him revealing day two bet was fine though.
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Old 02-14-2011, 02:31 PM   #747
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Yeah, after reading it again I realized that -- so....can you just tell us what you want us to go back and read?
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Old 02-14-2011, 02:35 PM   #748
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You lost me pass? I didn't agree with his reveal for today's bet because now if he happened to be right the wolves would know and prolly night kill him. Him revealing day two bet was fine though.

Not if the BG were to protect me. I'd certainly prefer to know who bet on who, but I understand the other side of the coin of course.
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Old 02-14-2011, 02:39 PM   #749
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All I'm saying is there is no point to reveal a bet that hasn't completed yet. What to read is the last two pages... but lie u said pass people either don't want to reveal or they just haven't shown up to the thread yet...
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Old 02-14-2011, 02:41 PM   #750
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I bet on saldana which I wish I didn't when I switched up my own direction.
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