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View Poll Results: what will be the result
guilty of serious/all charges 39 76.47%
guilty of smaller charges 4 7.84%
complete acquittal 2 3.92%
some combo involving a mistrial 6 11.76%
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Old 01-29-2015, 09:50 PM   #1
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Aaron Hernandez is guilty of murder

Surprised the trial for one of his alleged murders starts today.

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Old 01-29-2015, 10:01 PM   #2
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I believe the charges are first degree murder, and a bunch of weapons charges.
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Old 01-29-2015, 10:06 PM   #3
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Old 01-29-2015, 10:15 PM   #4
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I have followed it a bit, but didn't realize it was already here. A bunch of the good evidence was tossed(the texts for example)

I just wonder of it's going to be a really hard case and I think he probably walks(even though he did it)

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Old 01-29-2015, 11:48 PM   #5
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What was the basis for throwing out the evidence?
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Old 01-30-2015, 12:11 AM   #6
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Ambiguity and impossible to prove who sent the texts IIRC(aka he was framed)
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Old 01-30-2015, 12:24 AM   #7
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Somewhat surprised that one of Hernandez's henchmen hasn't been flipped. Dunno if it's too late to make a deal with them.

Evidence tossed includes mention of the texts, the other pending trial and the incident where Hernandez shot his friend in the face.
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Old 01-30-2015, 05:24 AM   #8
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My vote isn't because I don't think he did it. I, in fact, do believe that he did it but the loss of evidence coupled with his celebrity is definitely concerning and, most importantly, I too am stunned that neither of his alleged co-conspirators have flipped.
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Old 01-30-2015, 06:16 AM   #9
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I think they'll pin the whole deflated balls on him and thus he'll get the electric chair. Tom Brady will throw the switch.
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Old 01-30-2015, 06:42 AM   #10
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echoing some of the others. He's guilty, but I think he's going to walk unfortunately.
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Old 01-30-2015, 07:25 AM   #11
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Same feelings here. I haven't really been following this, but every time I read up on it, it seems like there's something new about how the case is falling apart. He'll walk, but he was probably guilty of something.
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Old 01-30-2015, 11:54 AM   #12
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Prosecutors: Hernandez's DNA Found On Shell Casing, Joint At Crime Scene

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Old 01-30-2015, 11:59 AM   #13
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Same feelings here. I haven't really been following this, but every time I read up on it, it seems like there's something new about how the case is falling apart. He'll walk, but he was probably guilty of something.

I dunno, Wetzels article today basically suggested they have him at the scene and it doesn't matter who pulled the trigger at that point according to state law. One of the lawyers could probably comment further (Molson?) but he made it sound like a slam dunk.
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Old 01-30-2015, 12:24 PM   #14
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Old 01-30-2015, 12:44 PM   #15
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Winner comment from that Deadspin article linked above.

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Old 01-30-2015, 12:50 PM   #16
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In my state, aiding and abetting a crime is the same as being the principle of a crime. It just has to be charged that way, and instructed to the jury that way.

Sometimes there's issues when the charging information and the jury instructions and the facts presented at trial and what the prosecutor argues don't line up right. (the "fatal variance"). It's usually OK to charge things in the alternative, you just can't have a situation where a jury could convict someone on a theory that he wasn't actually charged with. I'm sure they have that shit straightened out in a case like this, but I don't know on what theories they've actually charged him.

And I haven't followed the case at all, but a bunch of evidence being excluded isn't necessarily a bad sign, those battles happen before any big trial, and neither side is going to win all of them. There will be other fights over the jury instructions, and that's what will determine what the jury will actually have to find him guilty.

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Old 02-03-2015, 02:31 PM   #17
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The other murders he is charged with (a 2012 double murder in Boston) have been excluded as evidence. This didn't really register with me because it's not surprising. What I didn't realize is that the prosecutors want to say that Hernandez's motive in the killing is Lloyd's knowledge of the 2012 double murder. Now they can't tell the jury a motive and the defense can just say "There is no motive".

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Old 02-03-2015, 02:54 PM   #18
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Do they really need motive though, if they have him walking with Lloyd to the murder site, walking back shortly after without him and the time lines up with the time of death? I guess like Molson says it depends what they have charged him on, but it still seems very unlikely to me they can't get him on something
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Old 02-03-2015, 03:10 PM   #19
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Old 02-10-2015, 03:09 PM   #20
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Reports say that his babymomma will testify for the prosecution. Since she is believed to have disposed of the murder weapon, this is huge news.
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Old 02-10-2015, 03:17 PM   #21
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Do they really need motive though, if they have him walking with Lloyd to the murder site, walking back shortly after without him and the time lines up with the time of death? I guess like Molson says it depends what they have charged him on, but it still seems very unlikely to me they can't get him on something

I'm no lawyer, but I thought proving motive was important for 1st degree murder?
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Old 02-10-2015, 04:18 PM   #22
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Old 02-10-2015, 05:39 PM   #23
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Old 02-11-2015, 06:31 AM   #24
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I'm no lawyer, but I thought proving motive was important for 1st degree murder?

I don't think you have to prove motive so much as you have to prove that there was some thought that went into it. Even if that thought was just "I want to kill this guy".
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Old 02-11-2015, 10:22 AM   #25
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Reports say that his babymomma will testify for the prosecution. Since she is believed to have disposed of the murder weapon, this is huge news.
Not quite. The prosecution (finally) granted her immunity, so she can no longer plead the 5th, and thus can be jailed for contempt if she refuses to answer questions. Her actions so far have not indicated any likelihood of her helping the prosecution, and unless her testimony helps the police actually find the murder weapon, the defense will be able to cast doubt on much of her testimony since the state's already calling her a liar. (And I suppose if she/Hernandez really didnt want her to testify they could always officially get married. Unless that husband/wife thing is an urban legend.)
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Old 02-11-2015, 10:27 AM   #26
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(And I suppose if she/Hernandez really didnt want her to testify they could always officially get married. Unless that husband/wife thing is an urban legend.)

Not an urban legend, but the protected communications are only during the time they are married. So anything before the marriage is fair game.
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Old 02-11-2015, 10:41 AM   #27
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The state probably has some theory about motive that they'll lay out during closing argument. Motive isn't an element of the crime, so they don't have to prove what the motive was, but if there's something that can be reasonably inferred from the evidence, even if its vague, juries do like to hear that kind of context. And the jury is instructed that the closing argument portion of the trial isn't "evidence", so the lawyers are free to speculate, within reason, and consistently with the evidence.

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Old 02-11-2015, 03:33 PM   #28
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Not quite. The prosecution (finally) granted her immunity, so she can no longer plead the 5th, and thus can be jailed for contempt if she refuses to answer questions. Her actions so far have not indicated any likelihood of her helping the prosecution, and unless her testimony helps the police actually find the murder weapon, the defense will be able to cast doubt on much of her testimony since the state's already calling her a liar. (And I suppose if she/Hernandez really didnt want her to testify they could always officially get married. Unless that husband/wife thing is an urban legend.)

I should have known better than to use Mike Florio legal analysis. He made it seem like a pick 6 for the prosecution but ESPN keeps saying that he keeps whispering I love you.

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I should have known better than to use Mike Florio legal analysis. He made it seem like a pick 6 for the prosecution but ESPN keeps saying that he keeps whispering I love you.
As stated above, she is being given immunity because the state is treating her as a hostile witness. She has not cooperated with the state at all but this removes her ability to plead the 5th. Thus she has to answer questions or they will charge her with obstruction. If she lies, then they will charge her with perjury.
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Old 04-07-2015, 01:46 PM   #30
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from the defense's closing arguments, Aaron Hernandez witnessed murder but "did not know what to do"


I guess deliberations will start either tonight or tomorrow.
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Old 04-07-2015, 01:49 PM   #31
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from the defense's closing arguments, Aaron Hernandez witnessed murder but "did not know what to do"


I guess deliberations will start either tonight or tomorrow.

Looked pretty calm on video after the fact (and not at all scared of the supposed murderers).
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Old 04-07-2015, 06:17 PM   #32
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So I've only been following this on the periphery. To those of you who are following it closer, what do you think that the outcome will be?
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Old 04-08-2015, 02:04 AM   #33
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A law school acquaintance who follows very closely predicts a hung jury.
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A law school acquaintance who follows very closely predicts a hung jury.

Will Hernandez hang them himself, or merely watch?

(yes, I know, that would be a "hanged" jury, but...)
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Old 04-08-2015, 02:20 AM   #35
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Keep in mind the jury is also considering felony weapon charges in this case, and that Hernandez has already been indicted for murder and other charges relating to that separate double homicide in Boston. And there's two other shootings he's been accused of in Florida where no charges have been filed, but authorizes might take a closer look if anything goes wrong with the Massachusetts cases. So he'll still be in custody no matter what the jury decides.

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A law school acquaintance who follows very closely predicts a hung jury.

Isn't 16 hours of deliberations a good sign that your friend is right?
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Yeah, but what will their verdict be...
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Old 04-14-2015, 07:44 AM   #43
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5th day of deliberations. Who are these people?
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5th day of deliberations. Who are these people?
I think they're exactly the sort of people we'd want on juries.
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have the jurors asked any questions?
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have the jurors asked any questions?

First day or two they were asking questions related to the gun charges I believe (about both guns and ammo).
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Old 04-15-2015, 09:23 AM   #48
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Huzzah!

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Glad the holdouts finally got some sense.
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