Werewolf LXX Pleasure Cruise - (GAME OVER) - Page 24

Swaggs · 04-10-2008, 12:44 PM

I only have about 15 minutes left, if anyone else wants to question me.

st.cronin · 04-10-2008, 12:46 PM

I'm still not sure what benefit you thought heavy drinking might get you.

Lathum · 04-10-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

What do you mean, you "had him down"? Did you see that yourself, or are you saying he said that in the thread?

Basicly I said I stayed on the ship because I had a hangover. I was purposly implying that I had no other choice.

I did this on purpose, hoping someone else would claim the same scenerio. If they did I could safely assume they were lying, since no such thing really happened.

Lathum · 04-10-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'm still not sure what benefit you thought heavy drinking might get you.

I choose to drink heavily because I wanted to stay in charecture.

I don't use drugs and when I party I usualy go all out.

Just wait until vegas.

Swaggs · 04-10-2008, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'm still not sure what benefit you thought heavy drinking might get you.

I went to the Fiesta Boat party a second time because I thought I would be able to observe more people (I observed that you and Lathum were there on night 1) and, truth be told, figured there might be another option, similar to the drugs, available. I was not able to identify anyone the second time and only got the two choices of drinking moderately or heavily. I chose heavily because I figured the higher expense might yield a higher value of information/item/reward.

That's as clear as I can be.

mccollins · 04-10-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

What do you mean, you "had him down"? Did you see that yourself, or are you saying he said that in the thread?

I have him "written" down as ... Gotta keep some notes so I don't have to search through the thread as much.

Obviously, it was working good enough if Lathum told me to go read the thread again!

Passacaglia · 04-10-2008, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Basicly I said I stayed on the ship because I had a hangover. I was purposly implying that I had no other choice.

I did this on purpose, hoping someone else would claim the same scenerio. If they did I could safely assume they were lying, since no such thing really happened.

That's what I thought. Still seems damning to me.

Swaggs · 04-10-2008, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Basicly I said I stayed on the ship because I had a hangover. I was purposly implying that I had no other choice.

I did this on purpose, hoping someone else would claim the same scenerio. If they did I could safely assume they were lying, since no such thing really happened.

You are either lying or you correctly anticipated what would happen.

Lathum · 04-10-2008, 12:52 PM

So Swaggs, what you are saying is you physicaly were unable to leave the boat due to a hangover?

mccollins · 04-10-2008, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

to elaborate I choose to stay on the ship day 2 because I wanted to see what would happen

Thanks for answering this time rather than your initial unhelpful response like last night.

Lathum · 04-10-2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mccollins

Thanks for answering this time rather than your initial unhelpful response like last night.

i don't voulenteer information easily.

I don't speel good either

Swaggs · 04-10-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

So Swaggs, what you are saying is you physicaly were unable to leave the boat due to a hangover?

I will try to be as clear as possible:

I got heavily intoxicated. Had a good time drinking, dancing, and socializing with women. I was told that I was fortunate that the cruiseship was nearby, otherwise I would have had a tough time finding my way home.

Next day:

Prior to the deadline, I sent in a message to go snorkeling at the shipwreck.

When I got my PM, instead of getting information about the shipwreck, I was told that I overslept, had a horrible hangover, and just stayed around the boat.

No other information than that.

Passacaglia · 04-10-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

You are either lying or you correctly anticipated what would happen.

If he's lying, at least it's a 1-for-1 trade.

mccollins · 04-10-2008, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I only have about 15 minutes left, if anyone else wants to question me.

Swaggs, I think you've already answered this, but if you could please do so again.

Do you have anything from Alan that would corroborate Lathum's story about the ropes being cut?

Lathum · 04-10-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

If he's lying, at least it's a 1-for-1 trade.

I completely disagree with this.

I may be wrong about Swaggs, my initial reason for voting him was he was on the boat the day the roaps were cut.

If you feel I am making up some elaborate story out of the blue then so be it, but I also think it at least somewhat likely we received different results from taking the same action because we both chose to drink heavily, granted on different nights, and got very different results, assuming he is telling the truth.

Swaggs · 04-10-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

If he's lying, at least it's a 1-for-1 trade.

Hopefully you guys will, at least, learn something from this lynch.

hoopsguy · 04-10-2008, 01:02 PM

Does anyone have a vote count? I'm trying to figure out if it makes sense to move away from Swaggs, who has been very forthcoming with information as we have questioned him.

That said, I think we want to get a lynch at some point in the game in order to start assigning value to votes. And it seems like we need a majority (or more people than we've had on the top candidate so far) in order to accomplish this.

Lathum · 04-10-2008, 01:02 PM

I just went back and looked at my PM's. Swaggs' just don't jive with what I received.

Swaggs · 04-10-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mccollins

Swaggs, I think you've already answered this, but if you could please do so again.

Do you have anything from Alan that would corroborate Lathum's story about the ropes being cut?

Nothing about the ropes being cut.

I just re-read my message, but the only other thing I notice is that I had intended to talk to the captain about jeheinz72, but didn't get around to it since I overslept.

I would guess this is because I voted for him yesterday (or just for flavor from Alan).

Swaggs · 04-10-2008, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

I just went back and looked at my PM's. Swaggs' just don't jive with what I received.

What doesn't jive?

You were not given the same choices as me at the party?

Am I mistaken or did you not say that you were bluffing about drinking?

path12 · 04-10-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I completely disagree with this.

I may be wrong about Swaggs, my initial reason for voting him was he was on the boat the day the roaps were cut.

If you feel I am making up some elaborate story out of the blue then so be it, but I also think it at least somewhat likely we received different results from taking the same action because we both chose to drink heavily, granted on different nights, and got very different results, assuming he is telling the truth.

I agree with Lathum here. I find it very unlikely that he comes out after Swaggs as he did and put himself in a 1/1 situation when there is still so much uncertainty in this game.

Right now I think the likeliest scenario is that both Lathum and Swaggs are telling the truth and that somebody else cut the rope.

What I'm trying to figure out now is which one of these scenarios seems most plausible:
a) Chief was on the boat, cut the ropes and admitted he was on the boat. Seems weak.
b) Was ntn on the boat and could he have had the opportunity?
c) Is someone lying about leaving the ship but actually stayed aboard to sabotage?
d) Could the ropes have been cut by someone leaving the ship on the way to an excursion ?

Lathum · 04-10-2008, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

What doesn't jive?

You were not given the same choices as me at the party?

Am I mistaken or did you not say that you were bluffing about drinking?

the choices at the party are the same.

It's what happens after we both make the same choices where things go haywire as I already mentioned.

Maybe you are a slow recoverer but I had no problem getting up the day after I drank heavily.

Lathum · 04-10-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

I agree with Lathum here. I find it very unlikely that he comes out after Swaggs as he did and put himself in a 1/1 situation when there is still so much uncertainty in this game.

Right now I think the likeliest scenario is that both Lathum and Swaggs are telling the truth and that somebody else cut the rope.

What I'm trying to figure out now is which one of these scenarios seems most plausible:
a) Chief was on the boat, cut the ropes and admitted he was on the boat. Seems weak.
b) Was ntn on the boat and could he have had the opportunity?
c) Is someone lying about leaving the ship but actually stayed aboard to sabotage?
d) Could the ropes have been cut by someone leaving the ship on the way to an excursion ?

I heavily considered C as an option.

mccollins · 04-10-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I heavily considered C as an option.

I agree that someone could be (or is) lying about leaving the ship - especially if they had to stay on the ship to cut the ropes!

There are many excursions where no one can corroborate who from the boat was at that particular excursion.

Swaggs · 04-10-2008, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

the choices at the party are the same.

It's what happens after we both make the same choices where things go haywire as I already mentioned.

Maybe you are a slow recoverer but I had no problem getting up the day after I drank heavily.

I was told that I couldn't hold my liquor.

I don't really believe you, as I think it seems like a logical penalty for overdrinking would be to miss the next day's excursion.

I do think that, unless you are unecessarily lying your ass off about the ropes being cut, you probably have a useful role for the good side. I don't really think you are lying about this because I don't think there is a good reason to out yourself over me (since I have no role) and it is early enough for a wolf to play in the shadows at this point.

I guess you set a trap, but outsmarted yourself.

st.cronin · 04-10-2008, 01:11 PM

It seems just as likely to me that the ropes were cut by somebody NOT on the boat, unless there's something in Lathum's pm that specifically rules that out.

Swaggs · 04-10-2008, 01:12 PM

Good luck, guys (except you, Lathum

).

I'm out for the day.

Passacaglia · 04-10-2008, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

I completely disagree with this.

I may be wrong about Swaggs, my initial reason for voting him was he was on the boat the day the roaps were cut.

If you feel I am making up some elaborate story out of the blue then so be it, but I also think it at least somewhat likely we received different results from taking the same action because we both chose to drink heavily, granted on different nights, and got very different results, assuming he is telling the truth.

Lathum, if this is as big of a 'gotcha' as you make it seem to be (it sounds like you're saying you totally bluffed on what happened to you, and he followed you in that lie), how could you be wrong about him?

jeheinz72 · 04-10-2008, 01:13 PM

Yeah the wrench is the unverifyable excursions.

Who do we have as having gone to an unverifyable location (like I know no one "saw" me do my excursion).

The Jackal · 04-10-2008, 01:13 PM

catching up from like 7 pm yesterday until now, not sure if qwik has responded yet but if he hasnt ill tell you what happened

hoopsguy · 04-10-2008, 01:14 PM

OK, likely out for the deadline at this point. I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now, based largely on Lathum's strong arguments that his actions clearly do not line up with the choices presented to Swaggs.

Note - this isn't some kind of "if this is wrong then we go after Lathum next" argument. I don't think it is entirely fair to make this a 1:1 trade scenario.

Passacaglia · 04-10-2008, 01:15 PM

About path's option C -- has anyone claimed to have left the ship, with no one to back their story? The four in the kayak can vouch for each other, KWhit and I can also..

jeheinz72 · 04-10-2008, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

About path's option C -- has anyone claimed to have left the ship, with no one to back their story? The four in the kayak can vouch for each other, KWhit and I can also..

I know my excursion (shipwreck snorkeling) can't be verified. So anyone who did that (including myself)

jeheinz72 · 04-10-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

catching up from like 7 pm yesterday until now, not sure if qwik has responded yet but if he hasnt ill tell you what happened

Please do.

Lathum · 04-10-2008, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Lathum, if this is as big of a 'gotcha' as you make it seem to be (it sounds like you're saying you totally bluffed on what happened to you, and he followed you in that lie), how could you be wrong about him?

Because it is possible oversleeping is a penalty possible for drinking to much and like Swaggs said I out smarted myself.

Like I said, my initial argument for Swaggs was he was on the boat when the ropes were cut. The fact that his story about why he was on the boat came out later

mccollins · 04-10-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

catching up from like 7 pm yesterday until now, not sure if qwik has responded yet but if he hasnt ill tell you what happened

We do NOT have that story - just that you 4 were given options on how fast you wanted to paddle. Those that paddled faster got back to the boat and the two that presumably paddled slower missed the boat (we assume).

Please enlighten us!

Passacaglia · 04-10-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, likely out for the deadline at this point. I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now, based largely on Lathum's strong arguments that his actions clearly do not line up with the choices presented to Swaggs.

Note - this isn't some kind of "if this is wrong then we go after Lathum next" argument. I don't think it is entirely fair to make this a 1:1 trade scenario.

I just don't get it. We haven't learned a single role so far this game, and we haven't had anyone removed from the game. If we get hard data here, we've got to look at it. That said, I'm sure a ton of other shit will go down by the time that happens.

st.cronin · 04-10-2008, 01:19 PM

Just want to say again that I don't buy "verifiable excursions" as a way of finding the wolves.

Lathum · 04-10-2008, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Lathum, if this is as big of a 'gotcha' as you make it seem to be (it sounds like you're saying you totally bluffed on what happened to you, and he followed you in that lie), how could you be wrong about him?

I gotta be honest with you, this seems like a set up to me. IT is almost as if you know Swaggs and I are both good and after he goes today you are setting it up for me to pay for my play today.

There is only one reason you would make this play

Lathum · 04-10-2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Just want to say again that I don't buy "verifiable excursions" as a way of finding the wolves.

of course not, but it narrows down who could be lying about their true where abouts.

The Jackal · 04-10-2008, 01:22 PM

Okay, what Qwik said is right, in his OOC comment anyways. I wasn't sure I believed that BK and PB were going to go slow, and I figured maybe whoever went faster would get to an item, or something like that, but instead it just meant that Qwik and I were able to get back to the ship just before the gates closed. No idea what happened to BK and PB, they were out of sight after a short while and we didn't see them again before we got back.

The Jackal · 04-10-2008, 01:22 PM

I guess I'll put together a vote count since I'm not busy at the moment, that'll help me decide who to vote for, as well.

jeheinz72 · 04-10-2008, 01:23 PM

how fast did you go Jackal?

st.cronin · 04-10-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

of course not, but it narrows down who could be lying about their true where abouts.

I don't even buy that premise, to be honest.

Passacaglia · 04-10-2008, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

I gotta be honest with you, this seems like a set up to me. IT is almost as if you know Swaggs and I are both good and after he goes today you are setting it up for me to pay for my play today.

There is only one reason you would make this play

The flip side to this is that you get cleared if you're right.

Anyway, I've been caught doing that kind of thing before, and I've learned my lesson about not doing that as a wolf. In that case, I was among the late voters in a close race. This is a different story, because you came out finger-pointing earlier, and that just pings my radar if he's good.

It's all likely to be moot anyway -- what are the odds we'll actually find something out about him?

Passacaglia · 04-10-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I don't even buy that premise, to be honest.

Not at all? I mean, it seems like we've already caught one person in a lie.

Qwikshot · 04-10-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Okay, what Qwik said is right, in his OOC comment anyways. I wasn't sure I believed that BK and PB were going to go slow, and I figured maybe whoever went faster would get to an item, or something like that, but instead it just meant that Qwik and I were able to get back to the ship just before the gates closed. No idea what happened to BK and PB, they were out of sight after a short while and we didn't see them again before we got back.

"I'm Qwikshot and I approve this message! Margarita-time!"

mccollins · 04-10-2008, 01:30 PM

Oliegirl mentioned this earlier, but what is a COT / Circle of Trust exactly?

Lathum · 04-10-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

The flip side to this is that you get cleared if you're right.

maybe in a more traditional game, but any trust I could possibly gain if I am correct should only last a short time

Qwikshot · 04-10-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mccollins

Oliegirl mentioned this earlier, but what is a COT / Circle of Trust exactly?

"It means people you trust as good absolutely without question..."

04-10-2008, 12:44 PM	#1151
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I only have about 15 minutes left, if anyone else wants to question me. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

04-10-2008, 12:46 PM	#1152
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I'm still not sure what benefit you thought heavy drinking might get you. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

04-10-2008, 01:11 PM	#1176
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	It seems just as likely to me that the ropes were cut by somebody NOT on the boat, unless there's something in Lathum's pm that specifically rules that out. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

04-10-2008, 01:12 PM	#1177
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Good luck, guys (except you, Lathum ). I'm out for the day. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

04-10-2008, 01:19 PM	#1188
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Just want to say again that I don't buy "verifiable excursions" as a way of finding the wolves. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

04-10-2008, 12:52 PM	#1159
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	So Swaggs, what you are saying is you physicaly were unable to leave the boat due to a hangover?

04-10-2008, 01:02 PM	#1167
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Does anyone have a vote count? I'm trying to figure out if it makes sense to move away from Swaggs, who has been very forthcoming with information as we have questioned him. That said, I think we want to get a lynch at some point in the game in order to start assigning value to votes. And it seems like we need a majority (or more people than we've had on the top candidate so far) in order to accomplish this.

04-10-2008, 01:02 PM	#1168
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I just went back and looked at my PM's. Swaggs' just don't jive with what I received.

04-10-2008, 01:13 PM	#1179
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Yeah the wrench is the unverifyable excursions. Who do we have as having gone to an unverifyable location (like I know no one "saw" me do my excursion).

04-10-2008, 01:13 PM	#1180
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	catching up from like 7 pm yesterday until now, not sure if qwik has responded yet but if he hasnt ill tell you what happened

04-10-2008, 01:14 PM	#1181
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	OK, likely out for the deadline at this point. I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now, based largely on Lathum's strong arguments that his actions clearly do not line up with the choices presented to Swaggs. Note - this isn't some kind of "if this is wrong then we go after Lathum next" argument. I don't think it is entirely fair to make this a 1:1 trade scenario.

04-10-2008, 01:15 PM	#1182
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	About path's option C -- has anyone claimed to have left the ship, with no one to back their story? The four in the kayak can vouch for each other, KWhit and I can also..

04-10-2008, 01:22 PM	#1191
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Okay, what Qwik said is right, in his OOC comment anyways. I wasn't sure I believed that BK and PB were going to go slow, and I figured maybe whoever went faster would get to an item, or something like that, but instead it just meant that Qwik and I were able to get back to the ship just before the gates closed. No idea what happened to BK and PB, they were out of sight after a short while and we didn't see them again before we got back.

04-10-2008, 01:22 PM	#1192
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I guess I'll put together a vote count since I'm not busy at the moment, that'll help me decide who to vote for, as well.

04-10-2008, 01:23 PM	#1193
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	how fast did you go Jackal?

04-10-2008, 01:30 PM	#1198
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	Oliegirl mentioned this earlier, but what is a COT / Circle of Trust exactly?

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