Pro Wrestling Discussion Thread **Spoilers Possible**

[duckman]

Today, I learn that Vince McMahon really loves Dicks.

[duckman]

The championship match tonight was done really well. I like how they let both Cena and RVD come down the ramp before Lillian did her announcing. It gave it a championsip match feel.

[klayman]

I'm not positive, but I think pro wrestling might be fake.

and some of the athletes might be using steroids.

/Post made in jest
//former Pro Wrestling Fan

[duckman]

Originally Posted by klayman

I'm not positive, but I think pro wrestling might be fake.

and some of the athletes might be using steroids.

/Post made in jest
//former Pro Wrestling Fan

HAR!

[klayman]

Sorry

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by duckman

Today, I learn that Vince McMahon really loves Dicks.

Does the name Pat Patterson mean anything to you?

[duckman]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Does the name Pat Patterson mean anything to you?

Never heard of him.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by klayman

I'm not positive, but I think pro wrestling might be fake.

A more accurate description would be "choreographed”. There’s nothing fake about the torn anterior cruciate ligaments, herniated disks, separated shoulders, concussions, broken collarbones, etc.

[Joe]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

A more accurate description would be "choreographed”. There’s nothing fake about the torn anterior cruciate ligaments, herniated disks, separated shoulders, concussions, broken collarbones, etc.

there is when they claim a fake injury on TV to get a guy some time off

[klayman]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

A more accurate description would be "choreographed”. There’s nothing fake about the torn anterior cruciate ligaments, herniated disks, separated shoulders, concussions, broken collarbones, etc.

Hey, I said I wasn't positive

[molson]

Check out this video of the Undertaker's highly controversial new gimmick. I think it could really take off.

hxxp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c27mDqVjyqc&search=breaking%20fab

Oh ya, and TV is absolutely littered with fake entertainment - pro wrestling, Law and Order, CSI, Desperate Housewives, The Simpsons, American Idol, Survivor, and the NBA, just to name a few.

[duckman]

Here's some news regarding the new ECW show:

hxxp://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/42324/Vince-McMahon-Looks-To-Be-Taking-Control-of-ECW.htm

The latest word on the power struggle for control of the new ECW is that Vince McMahon has taken back most of the control and is moving it forward in the direction he wants it to go. Paul Heyman was given control last week after the negative response to the debut episode of ECW On Sci-Fi in which his ideas were mostly changed/dropped by McMahon, but McMahon now seems to be back in control.

Credit: WrestlingObserver.com

So it looks like ole Vinny Mac is going to pry the one thing that Paul Heyman can do right away from him: To run a show. I guess he'll be like Eric Bischoff and just be a character on the show.

[duckman]

dola

ECW did a 2.2 last night. It's been slowly going down each week. I wonder if Sci-Fi will keep the show if it continues to slip in the ratings?

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by duckman

dola

ECW did a 2.2 last night. It's been slowly going down each week. I wonder if Sci-Fi will keep the show if it continues to slip in the ratings?

It's an awful show. It's like TNA's ugly step-sister.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

It's an awful show. It's like TNA's ugly step-sister.

Personally, I like the last two shows because of the main events. The rest of the show was pretty bland.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by duckman

Personally, I like the last two shows because of the main events. The rest of the show was pretty bland.

I have always hated ECW. Add in the fact that the shows have been poor, and you can see that I am pretty biased.

[Neuqua]

Originally Posted by molson

Check out this video of the Undertaker's highly controversial new gimmick. I think it could really take off.

lol

[Jas_lov]

It's the same show every week. An opening match, a stupid vampire, the exhibitionist stripping which gets stopped, sandmann hits someone with a stick 3 times, big show destroys tommy dreamer, main event. Has that not been the ECW show the past 2 weeks? There's only one hour and they waste it by filling it with crap instead of longer matches.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

It's the same show every week. An opening match, a stupid vampire, the exhibitionist stripping which gets stopped, sandmann hits someone with a stick 3 times, big show destroys tommy dreamer, main event. Has that not been the ECW show the past 2 weeks? There's only one hour and they waste it by filling it with crap instead of longer matches.

I agree with you. I think that they would be better served if they had 3-4 long matches (10-20 minutes apiece). Eventually, the audience (both the live and TV) is going to get tired of the same matches.

I hope the Dreamer/Big Show angle pays off eventually as well.

[Neon_Chaos]

"THANK YOU SIR. MAY I HAVE ANOTHER!?" classic.

[Ryche]

According to one of the websites I read, SciFi was hoping to pull in a 1.1 rating for the show, so they are probably quite happy with how well it has been doing.

The first show was awful, the last couple have been improving. They're going to be losing Angle for awhile as he needs to take some time off to heal some injuries, but it sounds like CM Punk will be showing up soon, so I have some hope. Especially once they get the WWE belt off Van Dam so Edge and Cena will go away.

[jbmagic]

Test is coming too.

[Terps]

Punk, Doring & Roadkill, Francine, and C.W. Anderson have been appearing on house shows. Not sure why they haven't been on TV yet.

[Toddzilla]

I read on the Torch website that VKM has indeed taken control of the show. Jeez, what a power trip that guy is on. I mean, would it be so bad if Heyman was allowed to have control of the "promotion", let him book it himself, tape it in a small arena? Heaven forbid ECW become a compelling viable product.

[Guelph Spartan]

I think the biggest problem with the way the ECW show's are being run right now is that Vince genuinely thought that he could slap the letters ECW on ANYTHING and people would turn out in droves, just like they did for the previous ECW DVD releases. That hasn't exactly happened, but I wouldn't call it a failure either.

Enough has been said about the first episode of ECW TV and I would prefer not to acknowledge it's existence anymore, but I can honestly say that I have enjoyed the last two shows. Both had some of the better TV matches I have seen in awhile, and I love that they have turned RVD into "everybody’s favorite wrestler" again. In fact, the only thing I really can't stand are the "Kelly" segments. Jim Cornette (sp) said it best, "if I wanted porn, I'd watch porn".

Does it feel like the "old ECW"? No. One of the key ingredients that it's lacking is the fan interaction. You don't have the intimacy of a smaller venue taping after Smackdown!. But it does feel different from RAW, even if everybody that gets significant air time is actually from RAW.

ECW will not exist long if it is just a one hour ad for RAW, and that is my biggest fear as to where it is going.

[Toddzilla]

Yep - I bought tix to see Smackdown in DC on the 15th of August. It is billed as "Smackdown / ECW", so they plan on keeping ECW far removed from what helped to make it popular and tape it in a giant arena.

[JonInMiddleGA]

re: TNA Impact 6/29

See, it's not impossible to have storylines that make sense. The whole Sting/Cage sub-plot makes sense in the context that it's being presented in. And Cage's acting is actually selling the storyline. Okay, it's not Oscar-worthy stuff but it does enhance the plot, his facial expressions & body language match the story that's being told. And that's how it's supposed to work.

Meanwhile, they've done what had to be done by getting the X Division Title back in play and TAFKA Lo-Ki is the right man to carry the belt for a while.

Of course, nothing is without problems. The LAX storyline needs to be dropped muy pronto. I'm also not happy that Diamonds in the Rough have basically been told they aren't needed for the rest of the summer (although I'm mostly unhappy about that because I know David Young a little bit & think he's a helluva good guy and one of the best sellers on the roster). They also still have to produce the only satisfactory ending to the Nash-Sabin feud and since Nash reportedly has complete creative control of his storylines I'm not going to relax until Sabin pins him clean.

And I like the Eric Young comedy bits, it's good usage of him at the moment & plays well into the impending dissolution of Team Canada.

[DeToxRox]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

re: TNA Impact 6/29

See, it's not impossible to have storylines that make sense. The whole Sting/Cage sub-plot makes sense in the context that it's being presented in. And Cage's acting is actually selling the storyline. Okay, it's not Oscar-worthy stuff but it does enhance the plot, his facial expressions & body language match the story that's being told. And that's how it's supposed to work.

Meanwhile, they've done what had to be done by getting the X Division Title back in play and TAFKA Lo-Ki is the right man to carry the belt for a while.

Of course, nothing is without problems. The LAX storyline needs to be dropped muy pronto. I'm also not happy that Diamonds in the Rough have basically been told they aren't needed for the rest of the summer (although I'm mostly unhappy about that because I know David Young a little bit & think he's a helluva good guy and one of the best sellers on the roster). They also still have to produce the only satisfactory ending to the Nash-Sabin feud and since Nash reportedly has complete creative control of his storylines I'm not going to relax until Sabin pins him clean.

And I like the Eric Young comedy bits, it's good usage of him at the moment & plays well into the impending dissolution of Team Canada.

It's a shame TNA's best mix of compelling character/awesome wrestler Homicide is relegated to a stupid racisim angle. The guy can go hardcore and wrestle. Imagine New Jack with talent and not so pyscho. A Homicide/Low Ki(Senshi) feud would be awesome, but it won't happen.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

It's a shame TNA's best mix of compelling character/awesome wrestler Homicide is relegated to a stupid racisim angle.

If the dirt sheets are accurate, Homicide's status is compromised because of some backstage heat. For whatever reason(s) the guy has been apparently about as popular with management as a case of the clap. But in an old interview (July 2004) he speaks highly of Cornette so that's at least one more relationship that he might build on & get back into the mix.

Yeah, I know, Cornette's not really running the show but often it seems that the more people you have saying things in your favor backstage then the better your standing becomes.

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

They also still have to produce the only satisfactory ending to the Nash-Sabin feud and since Nash reportedly has complete creative control of his storylines I'm not going to relax until Sabin pins him clean.

Nash isn't going to relax until he pins Joe clean, so I guess we have a bit of a problem. The best thing to do is pray for Nash to blow out his knee seconds after climbing into the ring, and then we don't have to see him for another year.

[saldana]

going back to Monday night's episode of raw, was anyone else laughing out loud at Vince's music video...i meant to slow it down and look at the "musicians" to see who they were, i know one was jake roberts, but i could have sworn the one in the middle was jerry lawler. that was some funny ass shit, imo.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by saldana

going back to Monday night's episode of raw, was anyone else laughing out loud at Vince's music video...i meant to slow it down and look at the "musicians" to see who they were, i know one was jake roberts, but i could have sworn the one in the middle was jerry lawler. that was some funny ass shit, imo.

Yeah, that whole segment with DX was hilarious. Shawn hopping around like he had ADHD was a riot. HHH doing his worst Vinny Mac impersonation was golden. The video was just the icing on the cake for me.

[Schmidty]

:kiss:

Originally Posted by saldana

going back to Monday night's episode of raw, was anyone else laughing out loud at Vince's music video...i meant to slow it down and look at the "musicians" to see who they were, i know one was jake roberts, but i could have sworn the one in the middle was jerry lawler. that was some funny ass shit, imo.

I was totally laughing, but I think it went on a bit long.

[duckman]

Doh!

hxxp://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/42445/WWE-ECW-News:-RVD-and-Sabu-Cited-on-Drug-Charges.htm

In a story reported by The Ironton Tribune today, Rob Van Dam and Sabu were stopped Sunday night by the Ohio State Highway Patrol and cited for drug possession.

Troopers found RVD in possession of 18 grams of marijuana and five Vicodin, while Sabu was charged with possession of drug paraphernalia and also had nine pills that were not immediately identifiable, but were known to be controlled substances. They were both cited and then posted bond.

They are scheduled to appear at 10 a.m. Thursday in Ironton Municipal Court. No word on what, if any, punishment will be served up by WWE.

This will be the first major test for the new Wellness Program now that their champion and a major player in their new brand extension have been caught with illegal drugs.

I have a feeling that the punishments will not be severe though. They have too much riding with getting the new ECW off the ground. I will suspect that they may strip the title off of RVD and job them both to death, but I don't think that they will lose any days at work.

[duckman]

Are they going to be terminated?

hxxp://www.wwe.com/inside/news/22092481

13. DISCIPLINE FOR VIOLATION OF LAW
Any Talent who is arrested, convicted or who admits to a violation of law relating to use, possession, purchase, sale or distribution of prohibited drugs will be in material breach of contract and subject to immediate dismissal.

Edit--found the article on WWE.com

[Deattribution]

I doubt anyone in the WWE is surprised RVD smokes pot, who doesn't know he is a pot-head? I'd say that's a big reason why he never got a push, and low and behold when they give him one.....


And as far as the vicodin go, it's reasonable to think that after the guy wrestled 3 nights in a row, and 4 times in a week that he may have been using them for actual medical purposes.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by duckman

Are they going to be terminated?

I'd be amazed if VKM actually stepped up & did that, but then again, him doing anything right qualifies as amazing.

Personally, I'd just like to take a baseball bat to both guys for their stupidity. Sucks to be a parent & try to explain crap like this to your kid. Then again, my son's most common question about baseball is "do you think XYZ is using steroids" so I guess this wasn't a big shock to him either, just disappointing.

[Flasch186]

shoot, i d think Sabu Couldnt get out of bed without prescription drugs to dull the pain of destroying his body over the life of his wrestling career.

[Joe]

[Terps]

WWE.com:

In the wake of being faced with five violations, including drug possession, by the Ohio State Highway Patrol, WWE.com reports that Rob Van Dam and Sabu arrived at the Wachovia Center in Philadelphia at 1:30 p.m. today and immediately went into a meeting with Vice President of Talent Relations John Laurinaitis.

Following the meeting, Mr. Laurinaitis told WWE.com that Rob Van Dam and Sabu will be eligible to compete tonight on RAW and tomorrow night at ECW on Sci Fi while an ongoing investigation is being conducted by World Wrestling Entertainment. The two men will be appearing in court Thursday morning at Ironton Municipal Court.

Will be interesting to see how they deal with it. I could care less if either of them, or both of them, were fired.

Doubt that they will be since Masters is just off of TV for being on the juice, and Joey Mercury is off TV for drugs as well. So they might just do the same with RVD & Sabu.

[duckman]

Looks like they are taking the title off RVD.

[MacroGuru]

In all honesty, I am trying to watch this....and I can't, I really can't take it......

[duckman]

Vince loves cocks! hahaha

[Deattribution]

No surprise with that finish, RVD can say goodbye to his push for a long time - too bad since he was working pretty hard.

[Terps]

lol @ The King: "RVD's title run goes up in smoke."

HHH also took a dig at the creative team during the BBQ segment: "Who's writing this shit?"

[Terps]

Dola,

I'm assuming RVD will be losing the ECW title tomorrow now.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by Terps

Dola,

I'm assuming RVD will be losing the ECW title tomorrow now.

I would think so. He's probably going to rehab if he wants to keep his job.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by duckman

I would think so. He's probably going to rehab if he wants to keep his job.

Rehab for POT?

I've never smoked ANYTHING, and have certainly never used drugs, but isn't rehab a little ridiculous for a pot smoker? That's like sending a guy who's found with a 12 pack of Natty Light to the Betty Ford clinic.

[duckman]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Rehab for POT?

I've never smoked ANYTHING, and have certainly never used drugs, but isn't rehab a little ridiculous for a pot smoker? That's like sending a guy who's found with a 12 pack of Natty Light to the Betty Ford clinic.

The dude is a pill popper too.

[Joe]

Big Show is the new ECW champ.

ECW is officially dead.