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Jonathan Ezarik · 07-18-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

What I don't understand then is why is it important to lynch him, since the blade runners reportedly can kill.

Exactly. What good comes from lynching AE if we won't find out if he's human or not? And who would benefit from that loss of information?

Chief Rum · 07-18-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I hope CR hurries up. I'm very curious which direction he's going to go in.

I wish I could say my reasoning was more substantive than it is. But no one really established clearly to me that they are a wolf. I am getting distinct impressions of many people today, but not yet on where it places them on the wolf-villager scale. I think we have had a lot of telling posts, but there hasn't been enough information revealed to nail anyone down on them.

When I can't vote for a wolf, I vote for least likely to help human. And usually bulletsponge flies through our games without contributing much. And on top of that, he even said he was a wolf.

Barkeep49 · 07-18-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I already stated what I felt odd.. I think you are one of the smarter players in WW, so I would assume you would know just as I would the results of my action of moving my vote off of Bullet to someone else. You have seemed stronger today in your support of AE than you have in your condemnation of Bullet, so that suprised me. Your response was that you thought you caught me in something that you ended up just misreading.

I'm not sure where else this conversation has to go. I still found that odd for the reason I stated.

Ok so is there any more for us to talk about? We both felt AE was good and it seems like a plurality of our fellow players agreed.

path12 · 07-18-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Deckard can kill.

I'm not so sure about Holden.

Doesn't sound like Holden can. Also says nothing about the blade runners being able to communicate.

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-18-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Deckard can kill.

I'm not so sure about Holden.

I get the impression that Holden can kill as well, but he's not a sure thing like Deckard.

tanglewood · 07-18-2007, 08:07 PM

Day 2 Vote Count

bulletsponge 6 - Barkeep49, Telle, st.cronin, AlanT, Jonathan Ezarik, Chief Rum
ardent enthusiast 5 - KWhit, LoneStarGirl, Swaggs, bulletsponge, path12
KWhit 2 - twothree, ardent enthusiast
Alan T 1 - Lathum
RendeR 1 - ntndeacon

Did not vote: RendeR

Results post coming up.

st.cronin · 07-18-2007, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I wish I could say my reasoning was more substantive than it is. But no one really established clearly to me that they are a wolf. I am getting distinct impressions of many people today, but not yet on where it places them on the wolf-villager scale. I think we have had a lot of telling posts, but there hasn't been enough information revealed to nail anyone down on them.

When I can't vote for a wolf, I vote for least likely to help human. And usually bulletsponge flies through our games without contributing much. And on top of that, he even said he was a wolf.

This was exactly my thinking in voting for bullet.

Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 08:08 PM

That looks not right, tangle.

Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 08:08 PM

Chief Rum voted for Bulletsponge, not AE.

Alan T · 07-18-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

Day 2 Vote Count

ardent enthusiast 6 - KWhit, LoneStarGirl, Swaggs, bulletsponge, path12, Chief Rum
bulletsponge 5 - Barkeep49, Telle, st.cronin, AlanT, Jonathan Ezarik
KWhit 2 - twothree, ardent enthusiast
Alan T 1 - Lathum
RendeR 1 - ntndeacon

Did not vote: RendeR

Results post coming up.

Chief voted for Bullet, not ardent. THat might make a difference

Chief Rum · 07-18-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I am fairly shocked that so many folks are voting against bulletsponge rather than AE or me.

Actually, it's the presence of both of you that keeps me from lynching either of you without something more definitive. I would rather not get into a guessing game with a 50-50 chance, and would instead hope it becomes more obvious as we go along. Neither you nor AE will remain out of my suspicions, though, either, without something new coming to light.

tanglewood · 07-18-2007, 08:09 PM

Another day of debat passes, yet this time the result is more clear. It is bulletsponge who must be exiled to Mars to toil for the rest of his life. As you bid him adieu, you hope the same fate will not befell yourself.

Night 2 actions deadline is 10am EST

Alan T · 07-18-2007, 08:13 PM

Tangle, can you clarify if some game mechanic made Ardent the lynch choice, or was it just a mistake on your part?

tanglewood · 07-18-2007, 08:13 PM

Well, it's a good thing this game is no-reveal on lynch.

tanglewood · 07-18-2007, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Tangle, can you clarify if some game mechanic made Ardent the lynch choice, or was it just a mistake on your part?

Merely a burecratic error. You try and keep a correct vote tally reading through 7 pages of posts at two in the morning....

Alan T · 07-18-2007, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

Merely a burecratic error. You try and keep a correct vote tally reading through 7 pages of posts at two in the morning....

Fair enough

just making sure!

Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 08:17 PM

Anyone else notice this post and think that maybe DT was either Tyrell or Sebastian?

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

fyi that's 3 games in a row i'm dead D1.

Although in this case I think it might have been a good thing. Don't want to say anymore since I'm just a ghost. Good luck villagers!

st.cronin · 07-18-2007, 08:17 PM

Assumption:

Either Swaggs or AE is a potential convert.

The problem for the wolves, is, how does this mechanic work, and how do they guess? If Swaggs or AE ends up dead tomorrow, the village can guess that the other is the potential convert, and lynch him.

st.cronin · 07-18-2007, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Anyone else notice this post and think that maybe DT was either Tyrell or Sebastian?

I assume he is.

st.cronin · 07-18-2007, 08:18 PM

dola, or rather WAS.

Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Assumption:

Either Swaggs or AE is a potential convert.

The problem for the wolves, is, how does this mechanic work, and how do they guess? If Swaggs or AE ends up dead tomorrow, the village can guess that the other is the potential convert, and lynch him.

I'm not sure a conversion makes sense in this game, otherwise I would agree with you. I guess I can't see how you can be a human and then become an android, although I guess it can't be discounted.

LoneStarGirl · 07-18-2007, 08:22 PM

I assumed people who didn't vote got punished? Guess that isn't the case?

And does nothing happen to somebody who copies and pastes their pm from the game host and changes a few words around?

Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 08:22 PM

I find it pretty suspicious that Barkeep and Chief Rum didn't vote for AE or me.

These two guys are pretty systematic usually. I think it makes pretty decent sense that either AE or I are a replicant of the other, so it seems like we had a shot at nailing a replicant either today or tomorrow, but they both went for bulletsponge.

Alan T · 07-18-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Anyone else notice this post and think that maybe DT was either Tyrell or Sebastian?

I brought this up earlier when Lathum and Barkeep didn't agree with me on that possibility.

Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I brought this up earlier when Lathum and Barkeep didn't agree with me on that possibility.

This is a strange game for me.

It seems like there are a lot of folks that are writing off probabilities and holding out for certainties, and I'm not sure we are going to get many certainties in this game.

Barkeep49 · 07-18-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I find it pretty suspicious that Barkeep and Chief Rum didn't vote for AE or me.

These two guys are pretty systematic usually. I think it makes pretty decent sense that either AE or I are a replicant of the other, so it seems like we had a shot at nailing a replicant either today or tomorrow, but they both went for bulletsponge.

Swaggs: I simply felt bullet was more likely, though I did start to waver at the end. If we both live through the night then I've likely got a vote ready for you tomorrow.

Barkeep49 · 07-18-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I brought this up earlier when Lathum and Barkeep didn't agree with me on that possibility.

I think I was more trying to ignore something I felt shouldn't be in the game (the dead introducing new information) more than anything.

st.cronin · 07-18-2007, 08:27 PM

I am planning on voting RendeR tomorrow. Unless somebody comes forward and tells me that bulletsponge was a human.

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-18-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I brought this up earlier when Lathum and Barkeep didn't agree with me on that possibility.

I think it's very possible that DT was either Tyrell or Sebastian, at least according to his parting words. Of course, he could have been a replicant just trying to throw us for a loop.

So, if DT was Tyrell/Sebastian, what does this do to that victory path for the replicants? Is it voided now and they have to go for the 1:1 to win?

Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Swaggs: I simply felt bullet was more likely, though I did start to waver at the end. If we both live through the night then I've likely got a vote ready for you tomorrow.

That's fine, although a day late.

I suspect I'll have a better defense after tonight, though.

Swaggs · 07-18-2007, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think I was more trying to ignore something I felt shouldn't be in the game (the dead introducing new information) more than anything.

Agreed.

There have been some slip ups this game (w/ DT's post mortem post and AE's PM), but once they are out there, they are out there and cannot be ignored.

st.cronin · 07-18-2007, 08:34 PM

Here's my guess: Either AE or Swaggs is a potential convert. I'm planning to leave them alone for now. If a blade runner wants to kill them, or if the bad guys want to go after them, so be it.

Alan T · 07-18-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think I was more trying to ignore something I felt shouldn't be in the game (the dead introducing new information) more than anything.

I respect that. Both DT and Ardent's case, its information that shouldnt likely even be in the game. Unfortunatly once the bell has been rung, you can't unring it. Hard to pretend something never was said. Im hoping in both cases it doesn't impact the game a ton.

st.cronin · 07-18-2007, 08:38 PM

We already knew, pretty much, that ardent and Swaggs had the same pm. What the details of it were I don't think are really important.

Chief Rum · 07-18-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I brought this up earlier when Lathum and Barkeep didn't agree with me on that possibility.

I think your idea on DT's possible identity is one to consider, although I'm not sure what good it does at this point.

Lathum · 07-18-2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Wait, if Swaggs is a replicant with AE's memory, doesn't that make AE either Tyrell or Sebastian? And wouldn't Swaggs (and the rest of the replicants) know that? Why would Swaggs work to have AE exiled if he's needed for victory?

I don't follow this statement. Wouldn't the game be pretty easy for the replicants if they knew Tyrell and Sebastians identities.

Also if you even remotly think AE is one of them why would you point that out and put a target on his back?

Lathum · 07-18-2007, 09:22 PM

Dola- I just got home and read through the thread. I know barkeep put his two cents in but the way Ardent is acting reminds me of the survivor game. I realize Ardent plays with alot of emotion but exchanges like that drove alot of players away from the game to the point of us having a long drought because we couldn't get sign ups.

I would hate to see Swaggs quit because of this and I would hate Telle, twothree and other newer players or those who haven't played in a while to not return.

This is directed at everyone. If you guys like playing keep the name calling and immaturities out of it otherwise don't play because it can ruin it for everyone else and if we drive enough people away were screwed.

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-18-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I don't follow this statement. Wouldn't the game be pretty easy for the replicants if they knew Tyrell and Sebastians identities.

Also if you even remotly think AE is one of them why would you point that out and put a target on his back?

How am I putting a target on his back? The same guy that almost got lynched today? Besides, if the replicants know he's Tyrell/Sebastian, how am I hurting him?

Basically, I'm just trying to figure the AE/Swaggs thing out. If one of them is a replicant, doesn't it make sense that the other works for Tyrell Corp.? I'm sure the replicants don't know who Tyrell and Sebastian are (or else this game will be over quick), but perhaps AE tipped his hand (or caused Swaggs to tip his?) by coming out and talking about his dream right off the bat.

Now if neither is a replicant, what the hell does the shared dream mean?

st.cronin · 07-18-2007, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

How am I putting a target on his back? The same guy that almost got lynched today? Besides, if the replicants know he's Tyrell/Sebastian, how am I hurting him?

Basically, I'm just trying to figure the AE/Swaggs thing out. If one of them is a replicant, doesn't it make sense that the other works for Tyrell Corp.? I'm sure the replicants don't know who Tyrell and Sebastian are (or else this game will be over quick), but perhaps AE tipped his hand (or caused Swaggs to tip his?) by coming out and talking about his dream right off the bat.

Now if neither is a replicant, what the hell does the shared dream mean?

Here's the problem with this theory: Let's say ardent is Tyrell/Sebastian, and Swaggs is a replicant. Ardent comes out with his dream first. Why would Swaggs say anything, knowing it might get ardent lynched?

Or, vice versa. Swaggs is Tyrell/Sebastian, ardent is a replicant. Again, why would Swaggs say anything, knowing it would call attention to himself?

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-18-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Here's the problem with this theory: Let's say ardent is Tyrell/Sebastian, and Swaggs is a replicant. Ardent comes out with his dream first. Why would Swaggs say anything, knowing it might get ardent lynched?

That's where lack of knowledge of how the Tyrell/Sebastian victory condition works gets me. Do the replicants need both Tyrell and Sebastian, or what?

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Or, vice versa. Swaggs is Tyrell/Sebastian, ardent is a replicant. Again, why would Swaggs say anything, knowing it would call attention to himself?

Suppose Swaggs is Tyrell or Sebastian. He's a human so he wants the humans to win, right? If he knows that AE is a replicant, why not sacrifice yourself in exchange for a replicant, especially if you are a key to a victory condition? That way you hurt the replicants twice.

Lathum · 07-18-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

How am I putting a target on his back? The same guy that almost got lynched today? Besides, if the replicants know he's Tyrell/Sebastian, how am I hurting him?

You don't think by suggesting AE could be Tyrell/ Sebastion that doesn't put a target on his back?

st.cronin · 07-18-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

That's where lack of knowledge of how the Tyrell/Sebastian victory condition works gets me. Do the replicants need both Tyrell and Sebastian, or what?

Suppose Swaggs is Tyrell or Sebastian. He's a human so he wants the humans to win, right? If he knows that AE is a replicant, why not sacrifice yourself in exchange for a replicant, especially if you are a key to a victory condition? That way you hurt the replicants twice.

If that's the case, he should just tell us. We'll lynch him, then ae the next day.

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-18-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

You don't think by suggesting AE could be Tyrell/ Sebastion that doesn't put a target on his back?

No I don't. I think he already has a pretty large target on him. Besides, I'm not saying he is Tyrell/Sebastian, just that if Swaggs is a replicant with similar memories/dreams to AE, it stands to reason that AE is linked to Tyrell Corp. But that's only if Swaggs is a replicant.

Of course, if my theory is correct then the replicants already know all this, so it's not like I'm giving them anything new. And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I doubt the replicants will start going after AE because I'm barking up the wrong tree.

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-18-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

If that's the case, he should just tell us. We'll lynch him, then ae the next day.

I would rather one of them die tonight, so we at least get some kind of information.

st.cronin · 07-18-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I would rather one of them die tonight, so we at least get some kind of information.

Well, I still think the most likely explanation is that one of them is a possible convert.

RendeR · 07-18-2007, 10:58 PM

My sincere apologies tangle, between kids this afternoon and tennis this evening I missed my vote tonight. I should have put one in earlier and let it ride. My vote would not have mattered as I would NOT have voted for AE at this time, I just don't have enough faith that he is a replicant yet.

And a side note: *I* wrote an entire post about the possibility that DT was one of the big whigs, but it seems no-one noticed.

twothree · 07-18-2007, 11:00 PM

I am back from work. Time to read the posts from today.

Poli · 07-18-2007, 11:09 PM

You mean I LIVED? Will wonders never cease.

As for the PM, I think I read there are questions of me quoting it. I definitely changed words, so it wasn't a direct quote.

Poli · 07-18-2007, 11:10 PM

I think tanglewood definitely would have hit me up for it if I had.

Poli · 07-18-2007, 11:11 PM

Nevermind, it looks like tangle considered it that way. I don't see what the big deal is, I've done that in the past.

Anyhow, I got a chuckle on my way to the games...I passed tanglewood road.

07-18-2007, 08:07 PM	#656
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	Day 2 Vote Count bulletsponge 6 - Barkeep49, Telle, st.cronin, AlanT, Jonathan Ezarik, Chief Rum ardent enthusiast 5 - KWhit, LoneStarGirl, Swaggs, bulletsponge, path12 KWhit 2 - twothree, ardent enthusiast Alan T 1 - Lathum RendeR 1 - ntndeacon Did not vote: RendeR Results post coming up. Last edited by tanglewood : 07-18-2007 at 08:12 PM. Reason: Chief Rum was pasted onto the wrong row by accident, doh!

07-18-2007, 08:08 PM	#658
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	That looks not right, tangle. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-18-2007, 08:08 PM	#659
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Chief Rum voted for Bulletsponge, not AE. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-18-2007, 08:09 PM	#662
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	Another day of debat passes, yet this time the result is more clear. It is bulletsponge who must be exiled to Mars to toil for the rest of his life. As you bid him adieu, you hope the same fate will not befell yourself. Night 2 actions deadline is 10am EST Last edited by tanglewood : 07-18-2007 at 08:12 PM.

07-18-2007, 08:17 PM	#668
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Assumption: Either Swaggs or AE is a potential convert. The problem for the wolves, is, how does this mechanic work, and how do they guess? If Swaggs or AE ends up dead tomorrow, the village can guess that the other is the potential convert, and lynch him. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-18-2007, 08:13 PM	#663
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Tangle, can you clarify if some game mechanic made Ardent the lynch choice, or was it just a mistake on your part?

07-18-2007, 08:13 PM	#664
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	Well, it's a good thing this game is no-reveal on lynch.

07-18-2007, 08:18 PM	#670
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	dola, or rather WAS. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-18-2007, 08:22 PM	#672
LoneStarGirl College Starter Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Little Rock, AR	I assumed people who didn't vote got punished? Guess that isn't the case? And does nothing happen to somebody who copies and pastes their pm from the game host and changes a few words around?

07-18-2007, 08:22 PM	#673
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I find it pretty suspicious that Barkeep and Chief Rum didn't vote for AE or me. These two guys are pretty systematic usually. I think it makes pretty decent sense that either AE or I are a replicant of the other, so it seems like we had a shot at nailing a replicant either today or tomorrow, but they both went for bulletsponge. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-18-2007, 08:27 PM	#678
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I am planning on voting RendeR tomorrow. Unless somebody comes forward and tells me that bulletsponge was a human. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-18-2007, 08:34 PM	#682
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Here's my guess: Either AE or Swaggs is a potential convert. I'm planning to leave them alone for now. If a blade runner wants to kill them, or if the bad guys want to go after them, so be it. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-18-2007, 08:38 PM	#684
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	We already knew, pretty much, that ardent and Swaggs had the same pm. What the details of it were I don't think are really important. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-18-2007, 09:22 PM	#687
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Dola- I just got home and read through the thread. I know barkeep put his two cents in but the way Ardent is acting reminds me of the survivor game. I realize Ardent plays with alot of emotion but exchanges like that drove alot of players away from the game to the point of us having a long drought because we couldn't get sign ups. I would hate to see Swaggs quit because of this and I would hate Telle, twothree and other newer players or those who haven't played in a while to not return. This is directed at everyone. If you guys like playing keep the name calling and immaturities out of it otherwise don't play because it can ruin it for everyone else and if we drive enough people away were screwed.

07-18-2007, 10:58 PM	#696
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	My sincere apologies tangle, between kids this afternoon and tennis this evening I missed my vote tonight. I should have put one in earlier and let it ride. My vote would not have mattered as I would NOT have voted for AE at this time, I just don't have enough faith that he is a replicant yet. And a side note: I wrote an entire post about the possibility that DT was one of the big whigs, but it seems no-one noticed. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

07-18-2007, 11:00 PM	#697
twothree College Prospect Join Date: May 2005	I am back from work. Time to read the posts from today.

07-18-2007, 11:09 PM	#698
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	You mean I LIVED? Will wonders never cease. As for the PM, I think I read there are questions of me quoting it. I definitely changed words, so it wasn't a direct quote. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

07-18-2007, 11:10 PM	#699
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I think tanglewood definitely would have hit me up for it if I had. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

07-18-2007, 11:11 PM	#700
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Nevermind, it looks like tangle considered it that way. I don't see what the big deal is, I've done that in the past. Anyhow, I got a chuckle on my way to the games...I passed tanglewood road. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

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