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Old 11-15-2012, 02:16 PM   #5401
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Signs of voter fraud in Maine GOP Maine Chairman- 'Dozens, Dozens Of Black People' Voted - YouTube
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:25 PM   #5402
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I totally thought that was a joke. --- "Nobody knows anyone who is black!"
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:33 PM   #5403
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:56 PM   #5404
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I totally thought that was a joke. --- "Nobody knows anyone who is black!"

As of 2010 census, Maine has the 6th lowest percentage (1.2%) black population in the U.S. The raw number - 15,707 "Black or African-American Alone" - is almost astonishing to consider.

It's not at all unrealistic to think that you could live in Maine & literally not know a single black person in your voting district.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:07 PM   #5405
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This is absolutely fucking laughable.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:09 PM   #5406
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:11 PM   #5407
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As of 2010 census, Maine has the 6th lowest percentage (1.2%) black population in the U.S. The raw number - 15,707 "Black or African-American Alone" - is almost astonishing to consider.

It's not at all unrealistic to think that you could live in Maine & literally not know a single black person in your voting district.

If you live in Aroostook County, I'd agree.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:14 PM   #5408
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If you live in Aroostook County, I'd agree.

Or even in Saco. According to the 2000 census, out of nearly 17,000 people, there were only 54 blacks.

Even in Georgia (Forsyth County), only 688 blacks out of 98,000 (again, in 2000) but that's not a good example since there has been a lot of press about that county. Sorry.

Here in the West, I would suspect that a number of counties have zero blacks, particularly the ones that have low population totals.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:22 PM   #5409
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And I wonder how many of the rural Maine blacks are resettled refugees that probably aren't mingling too much with the locals, who might not even know they're there. I have no idea what the numbers are in different states. but Idaho has a pretty large resettled refugee population relative to the state population, and under that program you can gain citizenship (and the right to vote) in 5 years. There's a fair amount of African refugees here, but most of them don't tend to stray far from one particular neighborhood.

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Old 11-15-2012, 10:33 PM   #5410
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I have no idea what the numbers are in different states.

In hindsight it was lazy of me not to link my source.

Here's the article with a few highlights, the entire table is linked within as a pdf
Census 2010 News | 2010 Census Shows Black Population has Highest Concentration in the South

Idaho is less than half the rate of Maine btw, just 0.6%
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:44 PM   #5411
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In hindsight it was lazy of me not to link my source.

Here's the article with a few highlights, the entire table is linked within as a pdf
Census 2010 News | 2010 Census Shows Black Population has Highest Concentration in the South

Idaho is less than half the rate of Maine btw, just 0.6%

Ya, I can see 20 black people showing up to a polling place together to vote in Idaho and people wondering, "who the heck are these people?", but I've also been to the Lutheran church that works with the refugee program and have seen how the refugees can pack that place for various community activities. They really seem to lay low otherwise, you don't see them around town. (the goal of the programs is cultural immersion, but that's pretty tough when you're an adult Somali who ends up in Boise, Idaho one day.)

I have no idea if that's what's going on in Maine, but that's what came to mind when I heard what that guy said.

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Old 11-15-2012, 10:59 PM   #5412
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I grew up in lower Bucks County, maybe five miles from the border of NE Philly. Granted, this was 30 years ago, but I can't recall interacting with any blacks until I was maybe 12 or 13, and that was a coach and a few kids who traveled from Morrisville to play on my township football team. Wait, I take that back - Mailman Bill. But other than that, I can't think of anyone. No black kids in any of my class or team pictures (outside of the one football team) until I was in HS. And then I remember like...I don't know, less than a dozen.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:18 PM   #5413
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So maybe it's not a joke or so fucking laughable?
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:22 PM   #5414
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So maybe it's not a joke or so fucking laughable?

Being surprised that there are dozens of black people in rural Maine areas = not a joke or so fucking laughable
Saying dozens of black people voting in rural Maine means voter fraud = a joke and very fucking laughable.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:26 PM   #5415
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I grew up in lower Bucks County, maybe five miles from the border of NE Philly. Granted, this was 30 years ago, but I can't recall interacting with any blacks until I was maybe 12 or 13, and that was a coach and a few kids who traveled from Morrisville to play on my township football team. Wait, I take that back - Mailman Bill. But other than that, I can't think of anyone. No black kids in any of my class or team pictures (outside of the one football team) until I was in HS. And then I remember like...I don't know, less than a dozen.

One of my best friends when I was growing was a black kid my own age but the thing is, he lived in a rural area across the street from my grandparents. We always looked forward to getting together whenever I visited. Even though I grew up south of Syracuse, there were no blacks in my vicinity and none at my K-6 school the whole time I was there. I never knew why on either one and maybe I don't want to know. In my travels throughout most parts of the US, I still notice we live in a very segregated society. Maybe that will change.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:27 PM   #5416
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:29 PM   #5417
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Maybe next time I'll read the link instead of going off on a tangent.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:38 PM   #5418
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Being surprised that there are dozens of black people in rural Maine areas = not a joke or so fucking laughable
Saying dozens of black people voting in rural Maine means voter fraud = a joke and very fucking laughable.
That's what I was implying. The idea that someone would bus black people - from Portland, let alone out of state - in to rural Maine as their voting scam is pretty hilarious.

(Fwiw Molson, there is a notable Somali refugee community in Portland - not sure if there are other clusters in the more rural towns because, quite frankly, I don't ever go there. When the bullet holes per stop sign start outnumbering the number of cute girls in town, I tend to turn back around.)

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Old 11-16-2012, 08:22 AM   #5419
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I remember a business trip I made to Tulsa in '98/'99. Coming from Memphis there was something jarring, but I couldn't figure it out until I went to dinner. I did not see a single black person while I was there. I don't recall seeing any minorities while there, but not seeing any blacks was jarring since Shelby County, TN is 49% black.
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:38 PM   #5420
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I remember a business trip I made to Tulsa in '98/'99. Coming from Memphis there was something jarring, but I couldn't figure it out until I went to dinner. I did not see a single black person while I was there. I don't recall seeing any minorities while there, but not seeing any blacks was jarring since Shelby County, TN is 49% black.

Certainly nowhere close to 49%, but Tulsa is actually fairly diverse. I believe its African-American population is higher than the national average. I grew up there and was fortunately exposed to a number of different cultures. When I moved to a rural area in high school where the black population was literally zero, it was a harsh introduction to some attitudes I had never seen before.
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:13 AM   #5421
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:07 PM   #5422
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Well, he and others are just doubling down on stupid. That piece reads exactly like what people like O'Reilly are saying...people vote for Obama because they get stuff. As if the only reason to vote for him is that targeted groups are getting things...which is funny because I think the same case could be made for certain groups of people supporting Romney.

The thing about O'Reilly (or Dick Morris or quite a few others) is that he understands his audience and knows what he's selling. If you know you're wrong- you just double down and/or create a new narrative that obfuscates what really happened.

There are some honest, sober reflections in this, too (Frum's comes to mind).

But quite a lot of these election reactions (Karl Rove??) make me think they didn't see it coming and were starting to drink their own kool-aid. That's dangerous: you can't start using the product you're selling. Otherwise, you risk not knowing what is actually true and how to tether your narrative to the facts.

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Old 11-28-2012, 09:15 AM   #5423
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Kind of funny how many votes are still being counted. The current totals have Obama up by 4.5-million total votes (and still counting) and about 3.5%, which is hard to believe considering how close the election seemed and felt.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:25 AM   #5424
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Kind of funny how many votes are still being counted. The current totals have Obama up by 4.5-million total votes (and still counting) and about 3.5%, which is hard to believe considering how close the election seemed and felt.

Also amusing that Romney's % of the popular vote has now fallen (rounded) to 47%.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:58 AM   #5425
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We have the worst election system in the industrialized world. It's a fucking embarrassment, especially after the 2000 election.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:46 PM   #5426
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I'm so glad the Sheldon Adelson's of the world (who himself spent $150 million on Romney, Gingrich, and anyone not named Obama in the recent election,) will get the chance to respend that money and then some thanks to some financial wizardry that lets him screw the government he tried to take over.

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Old 12-06-2012, 09:39 PM   #5427
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I'm so glad the Sheldon Adelson's of the world (who himself spent $150 million on Romney, Gingrich, and anyone not named Obama in the recent election,) will get the chance to respend that money and then some thanks to some financial wizardry that lets him screw the government he tried to take over.

Sheldon Adelson's Fiscal Cliff Dividend Recouped A Year Of Campaign Spending In ONE Day

Uh...look at Costco, whose CEO was a big, big Obama supporter (and have guys like Bill Gates, Sr. on the board). They just did the same exact thing.

Why is it bad for Adelson to influence politics, but it's okay for Soros?

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Old 12-06-2012, 09:50 PM   #5428
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Uh...look at Costco, whose CEO was a big, big Obama supporter (and have guys like Bill Gates, Sr. on the board). They just did the same exact thing.

Why is it bad for Adelson to influence politics, but it's okay for Soros?

They were big Obama supporters, but at a fraction of the amount that Adelson contributed. Soros seems to be the go-to bogeyman in the blogs on the right, but the amount he contributed was minuscule compared to others.
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:51 PM   #5429
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Uh...look at Costco, whose CEO was a big, big Obama supporter (and have guys like Bill Gates, Sr. on the board). They just did the same exact thing.

Why is it bad for Adelson to influence politics, but it's okay for Soros?

Adelson was the one I knew about-Not fond of any who did this regardless of political party/agenda. You'll note I said the "Sheldon Adelson's of the world"
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Uh...look at Costco, whose CEO was a big, big Obama supporter (and have guys like Bill Gates, Sr. on the board). They just did the same exact thing.

Why is it bad for Adelson to influence politics, but it's okay for Soros?

Personally I don't think any corporation (or individual) should be contributing huge amounts to a political campaign just to further their own views or agenda.

I'd personally like to see campaigns which:

* Talk about policies which would be implemented
* Don't insult people they're running again
* Some sort of rudimentary sanity checking on that policies a candidate can indicate they'd implement - ie. no pie in the sky, I'll give everyone a unicorn policy declarations when they can't be met.
* Involve 'standard' funding across the parties involved (ie. set funding allowance - the same for both parties), preferably without swamping people in advertising during the election.

(yes I know its not likely to happen - but hey I can dream)

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Old 12-06-2012, 11:01 PM   #5431
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Personally I don't think any corporation (or individual) should be contributing huge amounts to a political campaign just to further their own views or agenda.

I'd personally like to see campaigns which:

* Talk about policies which would be implemented
* Don't insult people they're running again
* Some sort of rudimentary sanity checking on that policies a candidate can indicate they'd implement - ie. no pie in the sky, I'll give everyone a unicorn policy declarations when they can't be met.
* Involve 'standard' funding across the parties involved (ie. set funding allowance - the same for both parties), preferably without swamping people in advertising during the election.

(yes I know its not likely to happen - but hey I can dream)

I agree with you. I would throw in unions and PACs on issue campaigns to the "ban" list as well. I also want to create easier access for other parties as well.

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Adelson was the one I knew about-Not fond of any who did this regardless of political party/agenda. You'll note I said the "Sheldon Adelson's of the world"

I'm not sure how I feel about it, really. Anyone would try to reduce their tax liabilities, and I'm guessing that the thinking for the wealthy people is if you can pull out enough to cover your income streams for the next four years while not being hit with higher taxes-and for corporations to return dividends (along with private businesses and investments) to their shareholders at lower rates-then I don't necessarily "blame" them. It's just what happens.

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Old 12-23-2012, 02:12 PM   #5432
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According to his son, Romney didn't really want to be President:

Tagg Romney: Mitt 'Wanted To Be President Less Than Anyone I've Met'

Good thing that worked out for him then
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Old 12-23-2012, 05:53 PM   #5433
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Maybe Tagg needs to meet more people?
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Without getting into the details of the abortion issue personally, I have to say that I find it interesting how so many anti-abortion advocates (both politicians themselves but also movement leaders) accept the exceptions for things like rape and incest. If you firmly believe that abortion is murder, then what does it say about you if you support abortion if the pregnancy arises from a horrific source like that? It's then proper to execute the baby? Really?

There are logical consistencies in the firm pro-life position, in my opinion. And there are logical consistencies in the firm pro-choice position as well, again in my opinion. But I'm not sure how you can square that compromise position, even in the name of political expediency, without resorting to some sort of ugly pragmatic game theory.

Interesting to see the evolution of this. Based on the debate last night, it seems that more GOP politicians are taking the "abortion is murder and always wrong" v. the "abortion is murder, but allowable in certain cases" position.
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