2012 MLB Thread (Cabrera Gets Triple Crown, first since Yaz 1967) - Page 10

ISiddiqui · 04-02-2012, 12:48 PM

re: Ubaldo. Interestingly his numbers were worse after the deal to Cleveland than before. So maybe there was some arm issues there and not necessarily that he was phoning it in.

Scoobz0202 · 04-02-2012, 02:07 PM

ATTN REDS FANS:

Bad news: Chapman to the pen because..

Good news: A Votto extension is close to being inked.

rowech · 04-02-2012, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

ATTN REDS FANS:

Bad news: Chapman to the pen because..

Good news: A Votto extension is close to being inked.

Sadly, very well could mean good-bye Phillips. (I would rather have Votto)

jbergey22 · 04-02-2012, 02:19 PM

Please tell me Dusty isnt planning on hitting Ludwick 4th still?

stevew · 04-02-2012, 02:23 PM

He's a proven RBI guy, though.

rowech · 04-02-2012, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Please tell me Dusty isnt planning on hitting Ludwick 4th still?

My guess is he will have Rolen there. I expect...

Phillips
Cozart
Votto
Rolen
Bruce
Ludwick/Heisey
Stubbs
Hanigan/Mesoraco

cougarfreak · 04-02-2012, 02:55 PM

Jesus, a Votto extension would be huge for the franchise. Maybe all the boxes of "Vottos" cereal has been flying off the shelves here locally, and revenue is streaming in.

Chief Rum · 04-02-2012, 03:47 PM

Wait, so why does Votto's extension affect Chapman being in the pen or in the rotation?

stevew · 04-02-2012, 03:50 PM

Word on the street is that Votto is getting paid, but will still spend the winter shoveling driveways.

Scoobz0202 · 04-02-2012, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Wait, so why does Votto's extension affect Chapman being in the pen or in the rotation?

They were both reported today. I was just mentioning that there was good and bad news today.

McLovin · 04-02-2012, 04:02 PM

If anyone is interested. Pics of Marlin's Ballpark from Sunday.

Pictures by basebrah - Photobucket

Chief Rum · 04-02-2012, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

They were both reported today. I was just mentioning that there was good and bad news today.

Ah got it.

Well, that's bad news for me counting on Chapman being in the rotation for my fantasy team.

MikeVic · 04-02-2012, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by McLovin

If anyone is interested. Pics of Marlin's Ballpark from Sunday.

Pictures by basebrah - Photobucket

Can't wait to see a HR during a regular season game.

cartman · 04-02-2012, 04:14 PM

I've decided I'm going to fast on Thursday in anticipation of tackling the Champion Hot Dog (minus cheese) on Opening Day Friday. I'll try to do live updates, ala the Krispy Kreme burger thread.

Direct quote from Nolan Ryan:

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Originally Posted by Nolan Ryan

It has to be a tremendous wiener. And then we're getting some kind of exotic bread flown in from France. And I don't know what kind of condiments you put on that. But I do want to look at it.
That's a wild dog.

QuikSand · 04-02-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

(minus cheese)

give me a break

McLovin · 04-02-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

Can't wait to see a HR during a regular season game.

Should be interesting. When Gabby hit a HR yesterday everyone was looking at the "thing" waiting for something to happen.

Scoobz0202 · 04-02-2012, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Ah got it.

Well, that's bad news for me counting on Chapman being in the rotation for my fantasy team.

Yea, to me it really makes no sense. He has done very well this spring. Bailey has been inconsistent, getting shelled at times. Bronson is Bronson. Not sure whether we will get a decent version or just shit. But Bronson makes too much money to not be in the rotation, also.

But I do see where you were confused. The "..because..." makes it seem that the following is the reason why. I was trying to imply that I can't find a reason.

rowech · 04-02-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Yea, to me it really makes no sense. He has done very well this spring. Bailey has been inconsistent, getting shelled at times. Bronson is Bronson. Not sure whether we will get a decent version or just shit. But Bronson makes too much money to not be in the rotation, also.

But I do see where you were confused. The "..because..." makes it seem that the following is the reason why. I was trying to imply that I can't find a reason.

There is part of me that thinks it might be a good move. The pen is in shambles a bit right now. Have him pitch from there for now, when the pen gets balanced back out, he takes a rotation spot to be there the second half. Arroyo or Bailey gets to the pen. (or in Bailey's case hopefully traded)

Chief Rum · 04-02-2012, 04:27 PM

Nolan Ryan: It has to be a tremendous wiener.

That's it, I am outta here.

Scoobz0202 · 04-02-2012, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowech

There is part of me that thinks it might be a good move. The pen is in shambles a bit right now. Have him pitch from there for now, when the pen gets balanced back out, he takes a rotation spot to be there the second half. Arroyo or Bailey gets to the pen. (or in Bailey's case hopefully traded)

Bronson will have to be absolute, pure, unequivocal shit to get put in the bullpen. I feel like over the past couple years I've heard a few times Dusty make comments essentially saying that Bronson gets paid starter money so he starts. Or some bullshit like that.

Money = playing time/position, not performance.

I have no evidence to back this up, but I wonder what effect going from starting, bullpen, to starting again has on a pitcher. Chapman isn't getting any consistency in what the team wants from him.

rowech · 04-02-2012, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Bronson will have to be absolute, pure, unequivocal shit to get put in the bullpen. I feel like over the past couple years I've heard a few times Dusty make comments essentially saying that Bronson gets paid starter money so he starts. Or some bullshit like that.

Money = playing time/position, not performance.

I have no evidence to back this up, but I wonder what effect going from starting, bullpen, to starting again has on a pitcher. Chapman isn't getting any consistency in what the team wants from him.

I agree with that part but on the flip side, people used to manage staffs in a way that guys would get pen innings, starting innings, etc. and readily change between both. It can be done but the jerking around is definitely bad.

stevew · 04-02-2012, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman

I've decided I'm going to fast on Thursday in anticipation of tackling the Champion Hot Dog (minus cheese) on Opening Day Friday. I'll try to do live updates, ala the Krispy Kreme burger thread.

Direct quote from Nolan Ryan:

Better pick up some super colon blow.

My thought is that it's gonna be too cold by the end to be enjoyable.

Suicane75 · 04-02-2012, 06:18 PM

I don't understand the Bronson makes starter money thing. The logic that they pay him big money so he might as well earn that money by being horrible, is just stupid.

Scoobz0202 · 04-02-2012, 06:50 PM

He's also veteraney.

stevew · 04-02-2012, 07:11 PM

Votto got 225million. I guess he can afford to buy a personality now.

ISiddiqui · 04-02-2012, 10:09 PM

I thought that was a feature, not a bug

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fantom1979 · 04-03-2012, 02:32 PM

Votto is now signed until he is 41. Tough spot for the Reds. Considering that Pujols signed until the age of 42 and Prince Fielder signed until the age 36, the Reds probably thought that they had no choice to keep him unless they signed him for 10 years.

Scoobz0202 · 04-03-2012, 02:46 PM

Yea. I am unsure how to feel. I've never been a big fan of these long contracts. Especially for a team that isn't a big spender. There are just so many question marks now in regards to the future in regards to team spending. What will the last 5 years of this contract do for the organization?

On the other hand, though, I am elated. I, as pretty much all Reds fans, absolutely love Joey Votto. Barring a trade (but who will take on this contract), he will be a Red for life. That doesn't happen anymore.

I'll just hang on for the ride and hope it turns out alright. What more can you do.

ISiddiqui · 04-03-2012, 02:58 PM

It also sends a signals to the other players on the team and future potential free agents - the Reds are willing to spend some money to win.

fantom1979 · 04-03-2012, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Barring a trade (but who will take on this contract), he will be a Red for life. That doesn't happen anymore.

I'll just hang on for the ride and hope it turns out alright. What more can you do.

My understanding is this contract has a no trade clause.

Scoobz0202 · 04-03-2012, 03:10 PM

Yea, isn't that something that Votto could waive if both parties wanted to part ways?

fantom1979 · 04-03-2012, 03:28 PM

I am sure they probably could. With the no trade clause, contract, and age it would probably be very difficult to move him. The Rangers traded A-Rod after 3 years of his 10 year contract, but he was 28 when he was traded. Votto's 10 year contact doesn't even begin until he is 30. I doubt that someone will take the balance of his contract if they try to trade him 3 years into the contract, when he will be 33, unless he is putting up Barry Bonds' type numbers.

sterlingice · 04-03-2012, 06:46 PM

Not just that but is Texas even finished paying on ARod's contract? Yeah, they jettisoned some of it, but they still had to pay $67M for him to /not/ play for them

Alex Rodriguez - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SI

sterlingice · 04-03-2012, 06:47 PM

At first blush, the contract I think of is Todd Helton

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stevew · 04-03-2012, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Not just that but is Texas even finished paying on ARod's contract? Yeah, they jettisoned some of it, but they still had to pay $67M for him to /not/ play for them

Alex Rodriguez - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SI

I'm pretty sure when Arod opted out and signed with the Yankees, that those provisions were voided.

Ksyrup · 04-04-2012, 08:01 AM

I'm already getting sick of reading that today is opening day. It is NOT opening day. One night game does not constitute opening day. Nor does a couple of games a billion light years away a week earlier, either. If I can't sit around on an afternoon and flip between 3 or 4 games at a time, it's not officially opening day.

sterlingice · 04-04-2012, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I'm already getting sick of reading that today is opening day. It is NOT opening day. One night game does not constitute opening day. Nor does a couple of games a billion light years away a week earlier, either. If I can't sit around on an afternoon and flip between 3 or 4 games at a time, it's not officially opening day.

I believe my thread title from last week is still accurate

SI

cougarfreak · 04-04-2012, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

At first blush, the contract I think of is Todd Helton

SI

Contract, yes. Players, no way. Helton's inflated numbers are a product of the park. Votto, despite playing in a batters haven, has better career numbers on the road.

Ksyrup · 04-04-2012, 08:31 AM

Not sure it was mentioned, but Andrew Bailey looks to be sidelined for 3-4 months due to a thumb injury/surgery.

MizzouRah · 04-04-2012, 08:47 AM

Here we go Cardinals, here we go!

lungs · 04-04-2012, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Here we go Cardinals, here we go!

At least they scheduled a game for the Cards to possibly win before they get swept by the Brewers this weekend

Ksyrup · 04-04-2012, 09:26 AM

On a related note, I REALLY hope Markus surprises us and releases OOTP13 a day earlier than expected. I didn't buy OOTP12 but am itching to get back into OOTP (although I did enjoy iOOTP for what it was last year) and would love to be able to mess around with the game on the first full day of the season tomorrow.

spleen1015 · 04-04-2012, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

On a related note, I REALLY hope Markus surprises us and releases OOTP13 a day earlier than expected. I didn't buy OOTP12 but am itching to get back into OOTP (although I did enjoy iOOTP for what it was last year) and would love to be able to mess around with the game on the first full day of the season tomorrow.

I wouldn't hold my breath.

Ksyrup · 04-04-2012, 09:41 AM

Yeah I know. But other than the Friday/Monday advance/regular release thing, I don't know why you wouldn't move it up to the real opening day. I can definitely wait 24 hours, I'd just like to be surprised.

MizzouRah · 04-04-2012, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lungs

At least they scheduled a game for the Cards to possibly win before they get swept by the Brewers this weekend

Keep dreaming!

Suicane75 · 04-04-2012, 06:21 PM

Carlos Beltran with the first hit on American soil in the 2012 baseball season.

For those who have it available, thanks to the weird schedule, MLB On Demands free preview will run from tomorrow till next Sunday.

Scoobz0202 · 04-04-2012, 06:45 PM

Just getting caught up on the game. Whoever thought bringing Ali out was a good idea is an idiot. For what is supposed to be a celebration I was instantly bummed out. Ali is looking much worse than I recall.

Suicane75 · 04-04-2012, 06:50 PM

Yeah, Ali was a bit sad.

418 to CF with that giant wall, that stadium seems to have been built for triples.

Ksyrup · 04-04-2012, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Just getting caught up on the game. Whoever thought bring Ali out was a good idea is an idiot. For what is supposed to be a celebration I was instantly bummed out. Ali is looking much worse then I recall.

I was thinking that the image if Ali tonight just replaced Dick Clark on NYE as saddest/most uncomfortable celebrity-in-decline moment ever.

sterlingice · 04-04-2012, 06:53 PM

I just turned on the game. Has ESPN talked about the center field monstrosity yet?

SI

04-02-2012, 12:48 PM	#451
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	re: Ubaldo. Interestingly his numbers were worse after the deal to Cleveland than before. So maybe there was some arm issues there and not necessarily that he was phoning it in. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

04-02-2012, 02:55 PM	#457
cougarfreak College Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Out of Grad School Hell :)	Jesus, a Votto extension would be huge for the franchise. Maybe all the boxes of "Vottos" cereal has been flying off the shelves here locally, and revenue is streaming in. __________________ “I don’t like the Cubs,” Joey Votto said. “And I’m not going to pat anybody with a Cubs uniform on the back."

04-02-2012, 03:47 PM	#458
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Wait, so why does Votto's extension affect Chapman being in the pen or in the rotation? __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

04-02-2012, 04:02 PM	#461
McLovin Mascot Join Date: Feb 2008	If anyone is interested. Pics of Marlin's Ballpark from Sunday. Pictures by basebrah - Photobucket Last edited by McLovin : 04-02-2012 at 04:06 PM.

04-02-2012, 04:27 PM	#469
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Nolan Ryan: It has to be a tremendous wiener. That's it, I am outta here. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

04-02-2012, 02:07 PM	#452
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	ATTN REDS FANS: Bad news: Chapman to the pen because.. Good news: A Votto extension is close to being inked.

04-02-2012, 02:19 PM	#454
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Please tell me Dusty isnt planning on hitting Ludwick 4th still?

04-02-2012, 02:23 PM	#455
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	He's a proven RBI guy, though.

04-02-2012, 03:50 PM	#459
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Word on the street is that Votto is getting paid, but will still spend the winter shoveling driveways.

04-02-2012, 06:18 PM	#473
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	I don't understand the Bronson makes starter money thing. The logic that they pay him big money so he might as well earn that money by being horrible, is just stupid.

04-02-2012, 06:50 PM	#474
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	He's also veteraney.

04-02-2012, 07:11 PM	#475
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Votto got 225million. I guess he can afford to buy a personality now.

04-02-2012, 10:09 PM	#476
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	I thought that was a feature, not a bug . __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

04-03-2012, 02:32 PM	#477
fantom1979 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sterling Heights, Mi	Votto is now signed until he is 41. Tough spot for the Reds. Considering that Pujols signed until the age of 42 and Prince Fielder signed until the age 36, the Reds probably thought that they had no choice to keep him unless they signed him for 10 years.

04-03-2012, 02:46 PM	#478
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Yea. I am unsure how to feel. I've never been a big fan of these long contracts. Especially for a team that isn't a big spender. There are just so many question marks now in regards to the future in regards to team spending. What will the last 5 years of this contract do for the organization? On the other hand, though, I am elated. I, as pretty much all Reds fans, absolutely love Joey Votto. Barring a trade (but who will take on this contract), he will be a Red for life. That doesn't happen anymore. I'll just hang on for the ride and hope it turns out alright. What more can you do. Last edited by Scoobz0202 : 04-03-2012 at 03:06 PM.

04-03-2012, 02:58 PM	#479
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	It also sends a signals to the other players on the team and future potential free agents - the Reds are willing to spend some money to win. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

04-03-2012, 03:10 PM	#481
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Yea, isn't that something that Votto could waive if both parties wanted to part ways?

04-03-2012, 03:28 PM	#482
fantom1979 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sterling Heights, Mi	I am sure they probably could. With the no trade clause, contract, and age it would probably be very difficult to move him. The Rangers traded A-Rod after 3 years of his 10 year contract, but he was 28 when he was traded. Votto's 10 year contact doesn't even begin until he is 30. I doubt that someone will take the balance of his contract if they try to trade him 3 years into the contract, when he will be 33, unless he is putting up Barry Bonds' type numbers. Last edited by fantom1979 : 04-03-2012 at 03:29 PM.

04-03-2012, 06:46 PM	#483
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Not just that but is Texas even finished paying on ARod's contract? Yeah, they jettisoned some of it, but they still had to pay $67M for him to /not/ play for them Alex Rodriguez - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

04-03-2012, 06:47 PM	#484
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	At first blush, the contract I think of is Todd Helton SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

04-04-2012, 08:01 AM	#486
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I'm already getting sick of reading that today is opening day. It is NOT opening day. One night game does not constitute opening day. Nor does a couple of games a billion light years away a week earlier, either. If I can't sit around on an afternoon and flip between 3 or 4 games at a time, it's not officially opening day. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

04-04-2012, 08:31 AM	#489
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Not sure it was mentioned, but Andrew Bailey looks to be sidelined for 3-4 months due to a thumb injury/surgery. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

04-04-2012, 08:47 AM	#490
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Here we go Cardinals, here we go!

04-04-2012, 09:26 AM	#492
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	On a related note, I REALLY hope Markus surprises us and releases OOTP13 a day earlier than expected. I didn't buy OOTP12 but am itching to get back into OOTP (although I did enjoy iOOTP for what it was last year) and would love to be able to mess around with the game on the first full day of the season tomorrow. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

04-04-2012, 09:41 AM	#494
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Yeah I know. But other than the Friday/Monday advance/regular release thing, I don't know why you wouldn't move it up to the real opening day. I can definitely wait 24 hours, I'd just like to be surprised. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

04-04-2012, 06:21 PM	#496
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	Carlos Beltran with the first hit on American soil in the 2012 baseball season. For those who have it available, thanks to the weird schedule, MLB On Demands free preview will run from tomorrow till next Sunday.

04-04-2012, 06:45 PM	#497
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Just getting caught up on the game. Whoever thought bringing Ali out was a good idea is an idiot. For what is supposed to be a celebration I was instantly bummed out. Ali is looking much worse than I recall. Last edited by Scoobz0202 : 04-04-2012 at 06:52 PM.

04-04-2012, 06:50 PM	#498
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	Yeah, Ali was a bit sad. 418 to CF with that giant wall, that stadium seems to have been built for triples.

04-04-2012, 06:53 PM	#500
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I just turned on the game. Has ESPN talked about the center field monstrosity yet? SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

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