COVID-19 - Wuhan Coronavirus (a non-political thread, see pg. 36 #1778)

[Kodos]

79% of the CT population will get it before me. That's fine. Just get it for my Dad and wife A.S.A.P.

[Edward64]

Hmmm, not sure how accurate all of this is but from AJC, I would fall under Phase 2. I would come before Phase 3 "young adults 18-30".

My kids in college would also be Phase 2 "individuals in congregate settings". I think there is a large overlap between Phase 2 & 3 folks.

Coronavirus: When will Georgia teachers, police officers get COVID vaccine?

[JPhillips]

Reading a lot of frustration about how so far there are roughly 11.5 million vaccines distributed and only 2 million administered. The Feds say it's up to the states and the states don't have any money and increasingly hand it over to frontline workers to figure out. It's the testing debacle all over again.

[bhlloy]

Was talking to my back specialist this afternoon and he basically said he was given almost no information other than being told that it would probably be spring/summer for the first tier of public health workers to be finished in LA County. We are still going to be dealing with this in 2022 I would imagine.

[AlexB]

I have a suspicion that the situation will improve after another three weeks

[bhlloy]

This has basically nothing to do with the federal government at this point. So yeah, I don’t think it’s remotely that simple.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by AlexB

I have a suspicion that the situation will improve after another three weeks

I do think it will improve with a focused President. Periodic/daily national briefings reporting progress (or lack of) will put state governments on notice.

I can easily see Biden asking Governors "besides vaccines, what can I help you with". Biden has had time to understand the problems. There will be bumps and mistakes for sure.

I'll be disappointed if the is not largely ready to go on Day 1.

[JPhillips]

The relief bill should help some as there is money for vaccine distribution, but there seems to be surprisingly little planning for actually getting vaccines into people's arms. There's going to be a lot of outrage at the first stories of vaccines thrown away because they expired before use.

[Brian Swartz]

I don't think any of that stuff moves the needle in the current environment.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

I don't think any of that stuff moves the needle in the current environment.

Pun intended?

[Brian Swartz]

No actually, but if it works ...

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I do think it will improve with a focused President. Periodic/daily national briefings reporting progress (or lack of) will put state governments on notice.

I can easily see Biden asking Governors "besides vaccines, what can I help you with". Biden has had time to understand the problems. There will be bumps and mistakes for sure.

I'll be disappointed if the is not largely ready to go on Day 1.

This is where I was coming from (although I did not know that it outside the direct control of the President) - Biden appears to be putting Covid at the forefront of his mind and comes across as having a can-do attitude, rather than the incumbent who has never acknowledged the seriousness of the disease and appears to be operating a scorched earth policy on his way out.

[miami_fan]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/29/healt...day/index.html

No surprise, it's here folks.

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by AlexB

This is where I was coming from (although I did not know that it outside the direct control of the President) - Biden appears to be putting Covid at the forefront of his mind and comes across as having a can-do attitude, rather than the incumbent who has never acknowledged the seriousness of the disease and appears to be operating a scorched earth policy on his way out.

US president-elect Joe Biden criticises Covid vaccine handling by Trump administration | The National

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/29/healt...day/index.html

No surprise, it's here folks.

Zombie watch! Post any sightings here.

[Brian Swartz]

The thing is that's mostly a lot of bluster. Invoking the DPA to produce more vaccine is irrelevant when the issue is distributing the vaccine we already have. Biden may be able to improve coordination with some states, use the bully pulpit, etc. and that may have some impact. States where a significant number of people don't want the vaccine though are not going to see much movement no matter what he does, and a lot of this is up to state and local beauracracy outside of his control.

[bhlloy]

Yeah, totally agree. The issue (based off a 2 min conversation, so don’t take this as gospel) in the case I was told about is that the county can’t even coordinate with the state as to who is a critical health worker, so it’s basically sign up to this list and wait for the word that we’ve got your vaccine ready but don’t hold your breath.

Not sure it matters who the president is in that case. Best case scenario is additional funding helps, but still... if it’s anything like the testing and contact tracing it’s all going to be outsourced to the lowest bidder anyway, so good luck with that.

[CrimsonFox]

RIP another republican congressman

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...4KDDvsBbXFFQ3g

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/29/healt...day/index.html

No surprise, it's here folks.

yeah I was not surprised at ALL

COuld have originated here

[JPhillips]

My 86 year-old mother tested positive yesterday. So far no symptoms, but it's very worrying.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

My 86 year-old mother tested positive yesterday. So far no symptoms, but it's very worrying.

Yeah my mother is almost the same age and very worried for her if she gets it. Thinking of your family JP, and I hope your mom quickly recovers.

[Thomkal]

Sorry if this is one of the other threads, but I saw yesterday that a Republican Congressman-Elect in Louisiana got COVID right before Christmas, and has now died of COVID complicatons at age 41. Leaves behind a wife and two young kids.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Sorry if this is one of the other threads, but I saw yesterday that a Republican Congressman-Elect in Louisiana got COVID right before Christmas, and has now died of COVID complicatons at age 41. Leaves behind a wife and two young kids.

I'm sorry for being an ass but would like to know if he was a Covid denier. If so, not going to be sorry about it. Don't wish it on anyone but not going to give my sympathies either.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I'm sorry for being an ass but would like to know if he was a Covid denier. If so, not going to be sorry about it. Don't wish it on anyone but not going to give my sympathies either.

Not sure but he did make comments about learning to live with covid, have to open the economy, other countries are coping, etc...

[tarcone]

Good luck to your Mom, JP. I sincerely hope the symptoms are mild or non-existent.

[sterlingice]

Not familiar with this outlet but it collected a lot of Tweets that are just embedded Tweets of him going maskless at a lot of campaign events, while voting, etc.

Maskless Event Photos Surface After Luke Letlow Dies of COVID-19

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[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I'm sorry for being an ass but would like to know if he was a Covid denier. If so, not going to be sorry about it. Don't wish it on anyone but not going to give my sympathies either.

Getting ill and that feeling like "he had it coming" is one thing, but not feeling sympathies when somebody dies, that's a whole different level.

Nobody deserves to die from this pandemic, we're all victims here (unless it turns out somebody actually constructed this thing in some lab as a means of chemical weapon of sorts), but it's actually frightening when it was somebody in his early 40s that died.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

Getting ill and that feeling like "he had it coming" is one thing, but not feeling sympathies when somebody dies, that's a whole different level.

Nobody deserves to die from this pandemic, we're all victims here (unless it turns out somebody actually constructed this thing in some lab as a means of chemical weapon of sorts), but it's actually frightening when it was somebody in his early 40s that died.

If he truly was a Covid denier (and we don't know if he was or not), he very likely influenced others (he's a politician) and put others in danger. So no sympathies from me, just neutral "okay, let's move on".

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Not familiar with this outlet but it collected a lot of Tweets that are just embedded Tweets of him going maskless at a lot of campaign events, while voting, etc.

Maskless Event Photos Surface After Luke Letlow Dies of COVID-19

SI

Yeah, he may not have been a vocal denier but it's pretty evident he didn't take any precautions multiple times. So no sympathy from me.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I'm sorry for being an ass but would like to know if he was a Covid denier. If so, not going to be sorry about it. Don't wish it on anyone but not going to give my sympathies either.

If this was one of the more well known Republicans/COVID denier who then caught it and died, I would have less sympathy for them. This guy didn't even make it to Congress yet, and left behind two very young kids and a wife. I have sympathy for them. I don't know if this guy was a state politician before coming to Congress. If it turns out he ran on being a COVID Denier, then I have little symoathy for him and a lot for his family.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

My 86 year-old mother tested positive yesterday. So far no symptoms, but it's very worrying.

Sorry to hear. Please keep us updated and she will for sure be in my prayers.

[Brian Swartz]

There's a difference between sympathy and supporting what someone did. IMO there's never a good reason not to have sympathy for somebody in these situations. Some people were voted for *because* of their stances - I think COVID denier goes too far as I've yet to have see any significant public official say the virus doesn't exist - but are we prepared to say that it's good for nobody to be willing to represent constituents whose preferred policy on the pandemic we don't agree with?

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

There's a difference between sympathy and supporting what someone did. IMO there's never a good reason not to have sympathy for somebody in these situations. Some people were voted for *because* of their stances - I think COVID denier goes too far as I've yet to have see any significant public official say the virus doesn't exist - but are we prepared to say that it's good for nobody to be willing to represent constituents whose preferred policy on the pandemic we don't agree with?

"Covid denier" is not 100% accurate, I really meant "denying or purposely oblivious to the severity and transmissibility of Covid (and quite possibly endangering others on multiple occasions) after plenty of evidence has been provided". Because it's a mouthful, I'll just use the shortcut of "Covid denier".

I agree that covid deniers have the right to be represented, as in this case, with another covid denier. I (personally) don't need to spend anytime feeling sympathy for "them" if they pass away.

[Brian Swartz]

That's fair enough. I think 'Covid minimizer' might be an easier way to go, but so long as we know what you're trying to say it's not something to quibble over.

I just think sympathy is for all, even those who caused their own suffering.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I (personally) don't need to spend anytime feeling sympathy for "them" if they pass away.

The way I read this is as such, and its not a great condemnation by any stretch, but when I see these things it's how I am thinking:

You learned that someone had died, and chose to spend time on them, because you replied. So, the way I read that is that you found your reaction worthy of sharing with the rest of us, and that comment was to go out of your way to point out that you don't feel sympathy for them, so in my head, I take that to mean that your reaction was some version of "good, I'm glad" that covid denier died (otherwise why is it worth the time to share your reaction). And that is a reaction that I personally don't like whenever I feel it for someone else's suffering, so seeing you express it is slightly unsettling.

This is way more minor than the words I just put to it. But that's how I read it, take that however you'd like.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Radii

(otherwise why is it worth the time to share your reaction).

Because I was responding to a post about the death and like many of us are apt to do here, we share our thoughts.

If it was out of the blue where I originated/linked the story and said no sympathy, I could see your point.

[GrantDawg]

I don't wish death or disease on anyone, but I do understand why some don't mourning a loss of someone who cavalierly endangered themselves or others.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I don't wish death or disease on anyone, but I do understand why some don't mourning a loss of someone who cavalierly endangered themselves or others.

That's where I'm coming from.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I don't wish death or disease on anyone, but I do understand why some don't mourning a loss of someone who cavalierly endangered themselves or others.

yeah. Especially when they were in a position to harm others through policy and leadership. Callous as it is his death may save lives. It is sad for his kids, but perhaps knowing he had those kids he should have been more cautious.

[cartman]

I'm now in quarantine. My nephew tested positive this morning. I haven't had direct contact with him, but my parents have, and they've been at my house since the 26th. Getting tested on Saturday.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by cartman

I'm now in quarantine. My nephew tested positive this morning. I haven't had direct contact with him, but my parents have, and they've been at my house since the 26th. Getting tested on Saturday.

Thinking about you and your family Cartman :::hug:::

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I don't wish death or disease on anyone, but I do understand why some don't mourning a loss of someone who cavalierly endangered themselves or others.

This can be said about anybody whose policy positions we disagree with though. To take a super-obvious example, I don't think the board would be just fine with pro-lifers not valuing the lives of people who advocated for a woman's right to choose.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

This can be said about anybody whose policy positions we disagree with though. To take a super-obvious example, I don't think the board would be just fine with pro-lifers not valuing the lives of people who advocated for a woman's right to choose.

Sorry but I call bullshit on this. We aren't talking about a policy, we are talking about downplaying the worst public health crisis in a century. Nuance matters here.

[Brian Swartz]

You can call BS on it all you want, but it doesn't apply here. If you want to talk about numbers, pro-lifers will happily point out to you that more people get aborted every year than will die of COVID in this country. The main point though isn't about that; it's more fundamental. It's the logical underpinning of the idea that we get to not treat other people with humanity because we don't like what they say. How we treat the pandemic most definitely is a policy. If we're talking about some aspect of it that isn't about public policy, then we aren't talking about anything that an elected representative is responsible for.

[GrantDawg]

Four thousand people dieing a day and hospitals are overflowing, and we still have people arguing like the virus is a matter of opinion or political preference.

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[Lathum]

It isn't about what they say, it is about what they do, and the effect that has on other peoples lives.

If Trump drops dead of a massive stroke I will be happy about it, not because he died, but because his death will likely save countless lives. That isn't a lack of humanity, that is looking at the situation from perhaps an uncomfortable perspective. I believe the same with this congressman.

[Lathum]

dola- and again I will call bullshit on Covid being policy. We are in this situation because the right made it a culture war and a political war, not because of any policies they did or didn't put in place.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by Lathum

If Trump drops dead of a massive stroke I will be happy about it, not because he died, but because his death will likely save countless lives. That isn't a lack of humanity, that is looking at the situation from perhaps an uncomfortable perspective. I believe the same with this congressman.

This congressman isn't getting replaced by a liberal who will point policy in another direction. He's going to get replaced by someone with similar ideas. His death doesn't change the landscape at all. It doesn't save lives. His death is pointless.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Four thousand people dieing a day and hospitals are overflowing, and we still have people arguing like the virus is a matter of opinion or political preference.

Leaving the exaggeration of the facts aside, I would pose the question below I asked to Lathum to you as well. When do we get to decide, and on what basis, that contrary opinions on an issue are not to be tolerated?

Originally Posted by Lathum

again I will call bullshit on Covid being policy. We are in this situation because the right made it a culture war and a political war, not because of any policies they did or didn't put in place.

What's the line on when it's ok to have a different opinion on an issue and still be treated with humanity? When does something become 'beyond policy'?

Originally Posted by Lathum

f Trump drops dead of a massive stroke I will be happy about it, not because he died, but because his death will likely save countless lives. That isn't a lack of humanity, that is looking at the situation from perhaps an uncomfortable perspective. I believe the same with this congressman.

In that case we need to be ok with people doing the same with public figures who espouse points of view we don't like. If they die, the damage people believe they are doing to the country/humanity/etc. ends as well.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Radii

This congressman isn't getting replaced by a liberal who will point policy in another direction. He's going to get replaced by someone with similar ideas. His death doesn't change the landscape at all. It doesn't save lives. His death is pointless.

It is an excellent point, but I would say perhaps at least a small portion of people may change their perspective because of his death, just look at Chris Christie