Werewolf XV: Round 'Em Up And Hang 'Em! - Page 5

pennywisesb · 09-13-2005, 10:49 AM

Bek, you need to take that vote off yourself. You messed up, fine. We need to move on and now you are the only confirmed villager so far. It would not be smart for us to vote you off. I'm also wondering if the no-kill is because the sherriff protected someone last night.

Lathum · 09-13-2005, 10:59 AM

I agree that losing the judge would probably benefit us but we really don't have much to go by. That was a most unfortunate turn of evens but at least we didn't lose anyone else last night.

Poli · 09-13-2005, 11:11 AM

Maybe they were looting. That's what outlaws do, right?

RealDeal · 09-13-2005, 11:31 AM

When the judge is alive, any person we lynch goes to jail, but we don't find out if they are good or bad. However the bad guys will know. Also, as long as the judge is alive, the outlaws can jailbreak. If the judge is thrown into prison, he will be alive, but will not have any way of escaping. However, all lynches will be true lynches (no jailbreak risk), and we will find out whether the person we killed is good or bad.

Does anyone disagree with this? If not, the judge should step forward and identified themselves so they can be incarcerated.

jeff061 · 09-13-2005, 11:35 AM

I'd imagine there has to be something to say for having the ability to release wrongfully voted on innocents.

RealDeal · 09-13-2005, 11:38 AM

But how would we find out they were wrongly voted?

Bek · 09-13-2005, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pennywisesb

Bek, you need to take that vote off yourself. You messed up, fine. We need to move on and now you are the only confirmed villager so far. It would not be smart for us to vote you off. I'm also wondering if the no-kill is because the sherriff protected someone last night.

ok, ok i hear ya all...i was pissed at myself yesterday when i found out the news. but yiou are right, its time to move forward and fine those nasty no good scum of the earth outlaws.

UNVOTE Bek

Bek · 09-13-2005, 01:36 PM

Personally i think we need the judge to come foward...from all i can read he wouldve been helpful if we had the seer to clear people in the jail...since we dont have that anymore, i think he just further delays the process of killig outlaws and gives them a chance to execute a jail break...any thoughts?

Blade6119 · 09-13-2005, 01:40 PM

thats a crappy move...asking him to come forward so we can get rid of him basically...would you if you were the judge? Give up your game?

RealDeal · 09-13-2005, 01:45 PM

I am the judge. Lock me up. The team is more valuable than the player.

Blade6119 · 09-13-2005, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealDeal

I am the judge. Lock me up. The team is more valuable than the player.

Interesting...im intrigued now...this game could get very interesting very soon

Blade6119 · 09-13-2005, 01:46 PM

dola

Vote Realdeal then

Poli · 09-13-2005, 01:47 PM

I wish I were an outlaw, does that count?

RealDeal · 09-13-2005, 01:47 PM

I hope people understand that I am voing for myself not for petulant reasons but because it is actually the best move for the good guys.

vote RealDeal

Bek · 09-13-2005, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealDeal

I am the judge. Lock me up. The team is more valuable than the player.

at least someone here is a team player...unlike someone i know...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blade6119

thats a crappy move...asking him to come forward so we can get rid of him basically...would you if you were the judge? Give up your game?

pennywisesb · 09-13-2005, 01:49 PM

This game is taking a very bad turn for the worst here. Us good guys are going to have barely any secret roles left after the first 2 days.

Blade6119 · 09-13-2005, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bek

at least someone here is a team player...unlike someone i know...

Oh, im a team player...i was just saying that sucks for the judge...i never said i wouldnt give myself up. Besides, im not the one who killed our reporter team-player

Bek · 09-13-2005, 01:50 PM

thx for coming foward

VOTE realDeal

Poli · 09-13-2005, 01:51 PM

I am Spartacus.

pennywisesb · 09-13-2005, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I am Spartacus.

In that case, Vote Spartacus.

Just kidding.

Apparently we are unanimous so far with our votes. Vote RealDeal

Blade6119 · 09-13-2005, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I am Spartacus.

Stop being stupid and discuss the game...its not funny...and this has everything to do with yesterday

RealDeal · 09-13-2005, 01:55 PM

I'm not nuts about the rules of this game. The judge role is of really dubious use to the villagers. Basically he can free people, but who cares because you can't tell if they are good or bad unless you kill them or the seer scans them. But why would the seer scan someone in jail?

Basically, the game should work where you find out the identity of someone when they are put in jail (like you have a trial before you jail them or something). Otherwise, the judge feature of this game is useless to the villagers, because all it does is keep bad guys alive so the outlaw leader can jailbreak them.

SnDvls · 09-13-2005, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I am Spartacus.

NO! I am Spartacus

well this is going to be even harder now that we have no seer.

Thanks for stepping up RD, hopefully we'll help make it up to you by winning for the villagers.

vote RealDeal

Poli · 09-13-2005, 01:56 PM

Vote RealDeal.

dubb93 · 09-13-2005, 01:56 PM

Sorry Realdeal, your role would be a great one if the investigator was still around. It would give everyone a 2nd chance, and allow us to KNOW the bad guys we have locked up. This is going to be a very difficult game for us to win either way, but I like our chances better with you in jail(due to getting to see voting blocks if we get an outlaw.)

Sorry man, but thanks for the reveal. I'll remember this in future games.

Vote Realdeal

RealDeal · 09-13-2005, 01:59 PM

And the one good thing is, I can't vote, but I can still participate and post, and everyone will know that I am trustworthy. Jail sucks, but it's better than dying.

dubb93 · 09-13-2005, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealDeal

I'm not nuts about the rules of this game. The judge role is of really dubious use to the villagers. Basically he can free people, but who cares because you can't tell if they are good or bad unless you kill them or the seer scans them. But why would the seer scan someone in jail?

Basically, the game should work where you find out the identity of someone when they are put in jail (like you have a trial before you jail them or something). Otherwise, the judge feature of this game is useless to the villagers, because all it does is keep bad guys alive so the outlaw leader can jailbreak them.

Are you still allowed to vote from jail? At the very least you will still be able to contribute to us and we will know you can be trusted b/c I believe that once you are in jail you can still post, etc.

jeff061 · 09-13-2005, 01:59 PM

Vote RealDeal then, I guess.

dubb93 · 09-13-2005, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealDeal

And the one good thing is, I can't vote, but I can still participate and post, and everyone will know that I am trustworthy. Jail sucks, but it's better than dying.

AH, well then ignore my first question in the last post.

Passacaglia · 09-13-2005, 02:12 PM

Vote RealDeal

Slightly thinking he's up to something, but I have no idea what it would be.

RealDeal · 09-13-2005, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Vote RealDeal

Slightly thinking he's up to something, but I have no idea what it would be.

Pass, the trust of my role will be easy to figure out. If next lynch, the guy is killed and not put in jail, then I am indeed the judge. If the next lynch the guy is put in jail, then I clearly can't be the judge, because once the judge is jailed no one else gets locked up.

jeff061 · 09-13-2005, 02:18 PM

Indeed, this seems pretty clear cut. I didn't take into consideration the absence of the Inspector in my preovious post.

Passacaglia · 09-13-2005, 02:18 PM

That's true, but I'm always suspicious of people who vote for themselves, or ask to be voted for, I guess. Too weird of a play.

RealDeal · 09-13-2005, 02:21 PM

If the villagers win, I win. That's how I see it.

henry296 · 09-13-2005, 02:32 PM

I find no fault with the logic that jailing the judge is the best course of action.

vote RealDeal

Bek · 09-13-2005, 03:17 PM

10 votes for realDeal if i am correct i think that should all but seal the vote for today

RPI-Fan · 09-13-2005, 03:24 PM

Vote RealDeal

Thanks, buddy.

Fouts · 09-13-2005, 04:00 PM

Good move RD. I just hope we lynch the right people.

Vote Realdeal

RPI-Fan · 09-13-2005, 04:46 PM

Might as well talk about something else since RealDeal is pretty much sacrified.

Last night had two possibilities:

1) Sheriff protected someone.
2) Outlaws found the MoLMF (Man of Loose Moral Fiber)

#2 is slightly more likely than #1. Even the sheriff doesn't know if his bodyguarding was successful... only the outlaws do. With that said, I don't think it is worthwhile at this point to have the sheriff step up... so we'll basically have to let this go for now.

Another thing: When do we want the witness to use his role? I think he should NOT do it tonight, and then tomorrow we'll see how things are going. But with the judge in jail, I'd like to give us villagers a shot of offing a bad guy without the witness revealing himself.

More musing:

-Blade hesistated to have RealDeal step up, and then quickly changed his opinion once RealDeal actually said he was the judge.
-Passacaglia expressed some doubt, too.
-SackAttack, the Investigater, DID initially go against pennwiseb on Day 1. I think if we get stuck at some point, that needs to be considered.
-Mr. W -- a normally talkative and tricky player, has been very quiet and straightforward thus far.

Poli · 09-13-2005, 04:52 PM

Maybe they went to the movies.

Mr. Wednesday · 09-13-2005, 05:19 PM

I've been quiet because my access at night has been nonexistent, so I'm doing a lot of catching up in my free time; it's early in the game, so there's less to analyze; and I'm spending a lot of time getting my house up to speed, so I'm not doing as much thinking about the game.

I think the whole lynching vs. jailing comes down to a sort of a prisoner's dilemma issue... from the point of view of any individual, it's better for them from a survival point of view to be putting folks in jail, but from the point of view of the "team" winning, the inability of the outlaws to jailbreak their number out of jail is a big win. One thing we need to be wary of, not only are we wasting one day of voting by putting RealDeal away right now, we may have to waste another putting him back in the clink if the outlaws decide to break him out.

Mr. Wednesday · 09-13-2005, 05:20 PM

That said, I think it's probably more of a positive to avoid any possibility of a setback due to a jailbreak, so Vote RealDeal.

Passacaglia · 09-13-2005, 05:22 PM

Today is not your day, Wednesday. The rules say that people in jail don't go free if the judge is jailed.

(That remark about today not being your day is because today is Tuesday, not Wednesday. That is all.)

saldana · 09-13-2005, 05:27 PM

just home from work, i see the logic in this play too,

thanks RD

vote realdeal

dubb93 · 09-13-2005, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

we may have to waste another putting him back in the clink if the outlaws decide to break him out.

The way I look at it, if that happens it isn't a wasted day since they will have wasted their night action breaking him out and we will be back to square 1. It will just add another day of posts to analyze. Those are my 2 cents.

Mr. Wednesday · 09-13-2005, 05:30 PM

I shouldn't think we'd get a whole lot out of the posts that day.

Mr. Wednesday · 09-13-2005, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

The rules say that people in jail don't go free if the judge is jailed.

Yeah, but there's no one in jail right now, so that specification in the rules doesn't really get us a whole lot. There's no reason to think the outlaws couldn't break the judge out of jail.

RealDeal · 09-13-2005, 05:45 PM

If they break me out of jail, that's great: they waste their best power to free a good guy. I wholeheartedly urge the outlaws to jailbreak me.

Neon_Chaos · 09-13-2005, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Yeah, but there's no one in jail right now, so that specification in the rules doesn't really get us a whole lot. There's no reason to think the outlaws couldn't break the judge out of jail.

As a clarification. In the moment that the judge is jailed/killed, the people in jail do not go free. If the Outlaws do a jailbreak everyone in jail is freed.

Poli · 09-13-2005, 07:16 PM

09-13-2005, 10:49 AM	#201
pennywisesb College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Los Angeles, California	Bek, you need to take that vote off yourself. You messed up, fine. We need to move on and now you are the only confirmed villager so far. It would not be smart for us to vote you off. I'm also wondering if the no-kill is because the sherriff protected someone last night. __________________ Myspace Profile

09-13-2005, 11:11 AM	#203
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Maybe they were looting. That's what outlaws do, right? __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

09-13-2005, 11:35 AM	#205
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	I'd imagine there has to be something to say for having the ability to release wrongfully voted on innocents. __________________

09-13-2005, 01:40 PM	#209
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	thats a crappy move...asking him to come forward so we can get rid of him basically...would you if you were the judge? Give up your game? __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

09-13-2005, 01:46 PM	#212
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	dola Vote Realdeal then __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

09-13-2005, 10:59 AM	#202
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I agree that losing the judge would probably benefit us but we really don't have much to go by. That was a most unfortunate turn of evens but at least we didn't lose anyone else last night.

09-13-2005, 11:31 AM	#204
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	When the judge is alive, any person we lynch goes to jail, but we don't find out if they are good or bad. However the bad guys will know. Also, as long as the judge is alive, the outlaws can jailbreak. If the judge is thrown into prison, he will be alive, but will not have any way of escaping. However, all lynches will be true lynches (no jailbreak risk), and we will find out whether the person we killed is good or bad. Does anyone disagree with this? If not, the judge should step forward and identified themselves so they can be incarcerated.

09-13-2005, 11:38 AM	#206
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	But how would we find out they were wrongly voted?

09-13-2005, 01:36 PM	#208
Bek High School JV Join Date: Aug 2005	Personally i think we need the judge to come foward...from all i can read he wouldve been helpful if we had the seer to clear people in the jail...since we dont have that anymore, i think he just further delays the process of killig outlaws and gives them a chance to execute a jail break...any thoughts?

09-13-2005, 01:45 PM	#210
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	I am the judge. Lock me up. The team is more valuable than the player.

09-13-2005, 01:47 PM	#213
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I wish I were an outlaw, does that count? __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

09-13-2005, 01:47 PM	#214
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	I hope people understand that I am voing for myself not for petulant reasons but because it is actually the best move for the good guys. vote RealDeal

09-13-2005, 01:49 PM	#216
pennywisesb College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Los Angeles, California	This game is taking a very bad turn for the worst here. Us good guys are going to have barely any secret roles left after the first 2 days. __________________ Myspace Profile

09-13-2005, 01:50 PM	#218
Bek High School JV Join Date: Aug 2005	thx for coming foward VOTE realDeal

09-13-2005, 01:51 PM	#219
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I am Spartacus. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

09-13-2005, 01:55 PM	#222
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	I'm not nuts about the rules of this game. The judge role is of really dubious use to the villagers. Basically he can free people, but who cares because you can't tell if they are good or bad unless you kill them or the seer scans them. But why would the seer scan someone in jail? Basically, the game should work where you find out the identity of someone when they are put in jail (like you have a trial before you jail them or something). Otherwise, the judge feature of this game is useless to the villagers, because all it does is keep bad guys alive so the outlaw leader can jailbreak them.

09-13-2005, 01:56 PM	#224
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Vote RealDeal. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

09-13-2005, 01:59 PM	#226
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	And the one good thing is, I can't vote, but I can still participate and post, and everyone will know that I am trustworthy. Jail sucks, but it's better than dying.

09-13-2005, 01:59 PM	#228
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Vote RealDeal then, I guess. __________________

09-13-2005, 02:12 PM	#230
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Vote RealDeal Slightly thinking he's up to something, but I have no idea what it would be.

09-13-2005, 02:18 PM	#232
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Indeed, this seems pretty clear cut. I didn't take into consideration the absence of the Inspector in my preovious post. __________________

09-13-2005, 02:18 PM	#233
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	That's true, but I'm always suspicious of people who vote for themselves, or ask to be voted for, I guess. Too weird of a play.

09-13-2005, 02:21 PM	#234
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	If the villagers win, I win. That's how I see it.

09-13-2005, 02:32 PM	#235
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I find no fault with the logic that jailing the judge is the best course of action. vote RealDeal __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

09-13-2005, 03:17 PM	#236
Bek High School JV Join Date: Aug 2005	10 votes for realDeal if i am correct i think that should all but seal the vote for today

09-13-2005, 03:24 PM	#237
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	Vote RealDeal Thanks, buddy. __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

09-13-2005, 04:00 PM	#238
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	Good move RD. I just hope we lynch the right people. Vote Realdeal

09-13-2005, 04:46 PM	#239
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	Might as well talk about something else since RealDeal is pretty much sacrified. Last night had two possibilities: 1) Sheriff protected someone. 2) Outlaws found the MoLMF (Man of Loose Moral Fiber) #2 is slightly more likely than #1. Even the sheriff doesn't know if his bodyguarding was successful... only the outlaws do. With that said, I don't think it is worthwhile at this point to have the sheriff step up... so we'll basically have to let this go for now. Another thing: When do we want the witness to use his role? I think he should NOT do it tonight, and then tomorrow we'll see how things are going. But with the judge in jail, I'd like to give us villagers a shot of offing a bad guy without the witness revealing himself. More musing: -Blade hesistated to have RealDeal step up, and then quickly changed his opinion once RealDeal actually said he was the judge. -Passacaglia expressed some doubt, too. -SackAttack, the Investigater, DID initially go against pennwiseb on Day 1. I think if we get stuck at some point, that needs to be considered. -Mr. W -- a normally talkative and tricky player, has been very quiet and straightforward thus far. __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes? Last edited by RPI-Fan : 09-13-2005 at 04:46 PM.

09-13-2005, 04:52 PM	#240
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Maybe they went to the movies. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

09-13-2005, 05:19 PM	#241
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	I've been quiet because my access at night has been nonexistent, so I'm doing a lot of catching up in my free time; it's early in the game, so there's less to analyze; and I'm spending a lot of time getting my house up to speed, so I'm not doing as much thinking about the game. I think the whole lynching vs. jailing comes down to a sort of a prisoner's dilemma issue... from the point of view of any individual, it's better for them from a survival point of view to be putting folks in jail, but from the point of view of the "team" winning, the inability of the outlaws to jailbreak their number out of jail is a big win. One thing we need to be wary of, not only are we wasting one day of voting by putting RealDeal away right now, we may have to waste another putting him back in the clink if the outlaws decide to break him out. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

09-13-2005, 05:20 PM	#242
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	That said, I think it's probably more of a positive to avoid any possibility of a setback due to a jailbreak, so Vote RealDeal. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

09-13-2005, 05:22 PM	#243
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Today is not your day, Wednesday. The rules say that people in jail don't go free if the judge is jailed. (That remark about today not being your day is because today is Tuesday, not Wednesday. That is all.)

09-13-2005, 05:27 PM	#244
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	just home from work, i see the logic in this play too, thanks RD vote realdeal

09-13-2005, 05:30 PM	#246
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	I shouldn't think we'd get a whole lot out of the posts that day. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

09-13-2005, 05:45 PM	#248
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	If they break me out of jail, that's great: they waste their best power to free a good guy. I wholeheartedly urge the outlaws to jailbreak me.