Reindeer Games 2003 - An Odds vs. Evens Dynasty - Page 6

WSUCougar · 12-08-2003, 04:22 PM

Alright, double pass, onto Stage 2.

Any magic declarations for the take-off in the rain?

Coffee Warlord · 12-08-2003, 04:35 PM

We can change lead deer, yes?

WSUCougar · 12-08-2003, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Coffee Warlord
We can change lead deer, yes?

Aye.

sterlingice · 12-08-2003, 04:50 PM

How about a little craziness with Clarisse and Moonbeam in the front (no magic)?

SI

JAG · 12-08-2003, 04:52 PM

Then I vote for Vlad and Donner to be lead deer for Stage 2.

shhhhhhh sterlingice, you're supposed to let them declare magic first.

Katon · 12-08-2003, 04:53 PM

No magic now, stick with Blitzen and Dancer up front.

sterlingice · 12-08-2003, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JAG
Then I vote for Vlad and Donner to be lead deer for Stage 2.

shhhhhhh sterlingice, you're supposed to let them declare magic first.

Uh, yeah, what he said. My mind's not quite functioning properly at the moment.

SI

JAG · 12-08-2003, 06:23 PM

If Katon's order of no magic for the Evens sticks, I vote we go with no magic as well.

WSUCougar · 12-08-2003, 07:50 PM

Odds:
Once again, taking off proved to be an absolute catastrophe for the Odd team. Slipping in the rain, Vlad botched it and started a cascade effect, with Rudolph, Moonbeam, Jingle, Bells, and Cupid all jamming up in a comedy of errors. Donner, Buck, and even Clarisse salvaged what they could of the situation and dragged the pitching sleigh into the air. Once airborne, the power deer seemed to work against each other, while speed efforts by Vlad and Jingle Bells were wasted by the rest. This disaster scored a -42.

Evens:
As their rivals scrambled around in the slippery conditions, the Even team hurtled swiftly into the sky. Blitzen led the way with a strong take-off, aided by the solid efforts of Yuletide, Evergreen, and Sugarplum. Dancer, Egg Nog, and Northwind struggled. Most of the team – led by Blitzen - sacrificed power for speed (which hurt them overall), though Yuletide and Evergreen contributed good muscle. Teamwork was pretty lacking, but the Evens grabbed the 2nd Stage lead and narrowed the overall gap with a +29 score.

* * * * *
Stage 2 Score:
Evens: +29
Odds: -42

Overall Score:
Odds +51 and 1 Stage
Evens +48

* * * * *

Magic for Flight?

sterlingice · 12-08-2003, 08:11 PM

Ouch! We got torched.

SI

JAG · 12-08-2003, 09:21 PM

You think that was bad, wait till you see our landing! I don't think any magic is gonna salvage this one.

WSUCougar · 12-09-2003, 08:55 AM

Evens - any magic for the Flight phase?

Any other Evens want to join the festivities? We're losing our dynasty continuity...

Katon · 12-09-2003, 10:52 AM

I say we save our magic for the Landing phase, since landing scores count double in rain. No magic.

Now where are all those other Evens who helped draft?

WSUCougar · 12-09-2003, 11:49 AM

Thanks, Katon - looks like your carrying the Even banner at this point.

We'll wait the two hours on Katon's post and then Odds, you're up.

Blade6119 · 12-09-2003, 11:53 AM

Just got back from vegas, so ill help out again. I second Katons motion, and wish the odds no luck at all

JAG · 12-09-2003, 11:59 AM

I'll vote no magic for Odds.

sterlingice · 12-09-2003, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JAG
I'll vote no magic for Odds.

Yeah, no need to waste magic this round unless we can dig ourselves out of the hole in flight.

SI

WSUCougar · 12-09-2003, 03:54 PM

Odds:
Donner really led the team astray, not only with lousy navigation but also with crawling speed and weak power. Vlad did what he could but could not overcome his partner’s poor performance. Cupid, Jingle Bells, and Buck pulled more than their weight, but the others held them back with lackadaisical efforts. Teamwork was decent, but the score was –10.

Evens:
Navigation for the Even team was very good. Dancer concentrated on that and pulling for power, and completely disregarded speed. Blitzen gave a decent effort across the board. Egg Nog was a force, and Yuletide really pulled his weight. Sugarplum and Evergreen were total wastes. Dasher and Northwind spent too much effort on speed. Teamwork was poor. The score was +7, adding to the Stage lead and taking over the Overall Score.

* * * * *
Stage 2 Score:
Evens: +36
Odds: -52

Overall Score:
Odds +41 and 1 Stage
Evens +55

* * * * *

Magic for Landing?

Poli · 12-09-2003, 06:31 PM

Blade6119 · 12-09-2003, 06:32 PM

whats up ardent?

finkenst · 12-09-2003, 06:37 PM

Evens are up!

Poli · 12-09-2003, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Blade6119
whats up ardent?

Not a lot. I'll be in tonight, and I'll try and catch up. Right now, I'm about lost as to what's going on. Last I saw, we were getting thrashed. Good to see the Evens have prevailed.

WSU did try and help, but again, out of the loop a bit overall.

I'm headed across the street for a few minutes, and I'll be back shortly.

JAG · 12-09-2003, 06:59 PM

You sure you don't have any other dice you can roll Coug?

Masked · 12-09-2003, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JAG
You sure you don't have any other dice you can roll Coug?

Yeah, where are those from the Numbers Racket. I liked those.

Masked · 12-09-2003, 07:18 PM

dola, I don't see much point in using any magic for the landing. This stage is hopeless. Although, like Ardent, I don't really know what's going on.

JAG · 12-09-2003, 07:31 PM

I pretty much agree with you Masked, but Evens have to make their say first, so let's see what they choose.

Poli · 12-09-2003, 07:33 PM

Thank God it's not just me.

WSUCougar · 12-09-2003, 07:33 PM

Sorry about the dice. They are indeed EVIL.

Regarding magic, I don't know if either team is intending to dump deer after this stage, but if you are, it wouldn't hurt to burn their magic. At the very least it will aid your overall score(s).

Masked · 12-09-2003, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JAG
I pretty much agree with you Masked, but Evens have to make their say first, so let's see what they choose.

See I told you I didn't really know what was going on.

sterlingice · 12-09-2003, 08:05 PM

Cupid and Buck are still on the nasty side of endurance and Buck still has one magic point left. Any thoughts, guys?

SI

JAG · 12-09-2003, 08:07 PM

If a deer has more than 1 magic left, can it use magic in multiple areas? For example, Donner has 3 magic, could he use magic on teamwork, landing, and maneuver for the landing phase or only in one area?

Blade6119 · 12-09-2003, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JAG
If a deer has more than 1 magic left, can it use magic in multiple areas? For example, Donner has 3 magic, could he use magic on teamwork, landing, and maneuver for the landing phase or only in one area?

i too would like to know, as dancer is done for us

Tasan · 12-09-2003, 10:56 PM

yeah, considering our landing last time, we should look into using the magic of our very low endurance deer.

WSUCougar · 12-10-2003, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JAG
If a deer has more than 1 magic left, can it use magic in multiple areas? For example, Donner has 3 magic, could he use magic on teamwork, landing, and maneuver for the landing phase or only in one area?

Yes, you may use a deer's magic in multiple areas if you wish.

Katon · 12-10-2003, 09:41 AM

I think that since the only deer we need to swap out after this round is Dancer, and since the stage is already over, we should sit tight. No magic.

Blade6119 · 12-10-2003, 10:23 AM

huh...why not use dancer's magic....?

WSUCougar · 12-10-2003, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Blade6119
huh...why not use dancer's magic....?

He already used it.

Blade6119 · 12-10-2003, 10:35 AM

he only had one?...ok...nm

Blade6119 · 12-10-2003, 10:39 AM

ok, misunderstanding...i thought to make free agency more interestingthat if you did not take part in a stage, you got 1 magic and 1 endurance added to your stats...I see that you are just doing it back to their normal levels that they started in....This would make free agents more attractive(for instance the free agents having high endurance and magic to make up for other lack of qualities)...I just wanted to know what your system was, because if you stick with the current i doubt we will see too much turnover

WSUCougar · 12-10-2003, 02:26 PM

No Even magic for landing - Odds? I believe SI was proposing the possibility.

JAG · 12-10-2003, 03:08 PM

What the heck, Buck (landing) for magic use and no one else. At least soften the blow somewhat.

sterlingice · 12-11-2003, 12:18 AM

I'll second that.

SI

WSUCougar · 12-11-2003, 06:33 AM

Odds:
As the team maneuvered for the rain landing, both Vlad and Donner struggled to get into position. Rudolph also had problems, but the rest of the deer adjusted the sleigh, led by Buck and Moonbeam, and balanced things out. The team then nailed a pretty solid landing, with the lead deer contributing well; Moonbeam and Cupid fared poorly, but even Clarisse and Buck countered with good efforts. The score was +11, for a Stage 2 score of -41 and an Overall Score of +52.

Evens:
While Dancer attempted to maneuver the sleigh into a good landing pattern, Blitzen acted more like a moose than a flying reindeer, and cavorted around like a wind-blown snowflake. This shook things up, but the team rallied nicely, especially Egg Nog. Even the less-maneuverable deer helped out. As they neared the ground, Sugarplum and Dasher dominated, and the sleigh eased onto the wet earth with a nice team effort and a Stage 2 win. Score was +10, with and Overall Score of +65.

* * * * *

Overall Score:
Evens +65 and 1 Stage
Odds +52 and 1 Stage

* * * * *

Endurance and Magic ratings have been updated on the deer.

We now hold a brief mini-draft to replace any deer you wish to drop. Remember that each deer that you replace costs a (-5) overall score penalty. For your pick you may either drop a deer from your team and select a replacement, or pass. Odds get the first pick in this stage, and then teams trade off picks until both have passed on consecutive picks. You may still draft later after passing, as long as both teams have not passed on consecutive picks (at which point the draft ends).

Proposed draft picks will need to be seconded, but in order to keep things moving, the pick will be official once two hours have gone by regardless of seconding, and the other team may pick.

Weather for Stage 3 is Fog, and weather for Stage 4 is Overcast.

You may also switch lead deer. Once the draft is over, please proceed to this decision as well as any magic for take-off.

Odds are on the clock!

JAG · 12-11-2003, 07:38 AM

You said 'Evens ge tteh first pick in this stage', but you meant Odds, correct? (and corrected yourself with Odds are on the clock at the bottom) Just want to confirm this.

JAG

WSUCougar · 12-11-2003, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JAG
You said 'Evens ge tteh first pick in this stage', but you meant Odds, correct? (and corrected yourself with Odds are on the clock at the bottom) Just want to confirm this.

JAG

Yup.

It's been edited, and sorry about the confusion - I just cut-and-pasted it from the previous stage. Good catch, JAG.

JAG · 12-11-2003, 08:59 AM

Thanks WSUCougar, just making sure.

I'll vote we kick out Buck and bring in Silent Night.

sterlingice · 12-11-2003, 09:03 AM

Hmm... since I just sent you a PM saying essentially the same thing, I'll second.

SI

JAG · 12-11-2003, 09:09 AM

Your mailbox is full btw SI.

WSUCougar · 12-11-2003, 09:38 AM

Odds select Silent Night and dump Buck, with a -5 switching-out penalty. Deer list updated.

Overall Score:
Evens +65 and 1 Stage
Odds +47 and 1 Stage

Evens, you are on the clock.

Blade6119 · 12-11-2003, 10:36 AM

Well, i know we have to dump one deer...should we pick up hoofmaniac?

12-08-2003, 04:22 PM	#251
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Alright, double pass, onto Stage 2. Any magic declarations for the take-off in the rain? __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

12-08-2003, 04:50 PM	#254
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	How about a little craziness with Clarisse and Moonbeam in the front (no magic)? SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

12-08-2003, 07:50 PM	#259
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Stage 2 - Takeoff Odds: Once again, taking off proved to be an absolute catastrophe for the Odd team. Slipping in the rain, Vlad botched it and started a cascade effect, with Rudolph, Moonbeam, Jingle, Bells, and Cupid all jamming up in a comedy of errors. Donner, Buck, and even Clarisse salvaged what they could of the situation and dragged the pitching sleigh into the air. Once airborne, the power deer seemed to work against each other, while speed efforts by Vlad and Jingle Bells were wasted by the rest. This disaster scored a -42. Evens: As their rivals scrambled around in the slippery conditions, the Even team hurtled swiftly into the sky. Blitzen led the way with a strong take-off, aided by the solid efforts of Yuletide, Evergreen, and Sugarplum. Dancer, Egg Nog, and Northwind struggled. Most of the team – led by Blitzen - sacrificed power for speed (which hurt them overall), though Yuletide and Evergreen contributed good muscle. Teamwork was pretty lacking, but the Evens grabbed the 2nd Stage lead and narrowed the overall gap with a +29 score. * * * * * Stage 2 Score: Evens: +29 Odds: -42 Overall Score: Odds +51 and 1 Stage Evens +48 * * * * * Magic for Flight? __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

12-08-2003, 08:11 PM	#260
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Ouch! We got torched. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

12-09-2003, 08:55 AM	#262
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Evens - any magic for the Flight phase? Any other Evens want to join the festivities? We're losing our dynasty continuity... __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

12-08-2003, 04:35 PM	#252
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	We can change lead deer, yes?

12-08-2003, 04:52 PM	#255
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Then I vote for Vlad and Donner to be lead deer for Stage 2. shhhhhhh sterlingice, you're supposed to let them declare magic first.

12-08-2003, 04:53 PM	#256
Katon College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Providence, RI	No magic now, stick with Blitzen and Dancer up front.

12-09-2003, 10:52 AM	#263
Katon College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Providence, RI	I say we save our magic for the Landing phase, since landing scores count double in rain. No magic. Now where are all those other Evens who helped draft?

12-09-2003, 11:49 AM	#264
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Thanks, Katon - looks like your carrying the Even banner at this point. We'll wait the two hours on Katon's post and then Odds, you're up. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

12-09-2003, 11:53 AM	#265
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	Just got back from vegas, so ill help out again. I second Katons motion, and wish the odds no luck at all __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

12-09-2003, 03:54 PM	#268
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Stage 2 - Flight Odds: Donner really led the team astray, not only with lousy navigation but also with crawling speed and weak power. Vlad did what he could but could not overcome his partner’s poor performance. Cupid, Jingle Bells, and Buck pulled more than their weight, but the others held them back with lackadaisical efforts. Teamwork was decent, but the score was –10. Evens: Navigation for the Even team was very good. Dancer concentrated on that and pulling for power, and completely disregarded speed. Blitzen gave a decent effort across the board. Egg Nog was a force, and Yuletide really pulled his weight. Sugarplum and Evergreen were total wastes. Dasher and Northwind spent too much effort on speed. Teamwork was poor. The score was +7, adding to the Stage lead and taking over the Overall Score. * * * * * Stage 2 Score: Evens: +36 Odds: -52 Overall Score: Odds +41 and 1 Stage Evens +55 * * * * * Magic for Landing? __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

12-09-2003, 06:31 PM	#269
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	WOW __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

12-09-2003, 06:32 PM	#270
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	whats up ardent? __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

12-09-2003, 07:18 PM	#275
Masked College Starter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Bay Area	dola, I don't see much point in using any magic for the landing. This stage is hopeless. Although, like Ardent, I don't really know what's going on. Last edited by Masked : 12-09-2003 at 07:18 PM.

12-09-2003, 07:33 PM	#277
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Thank God it's not just me. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

12-09-2003, 07:33 PM	#278
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Sorry about the dice. They are indeed EVIL. Regarding magic, I don't know if either team is intending to dump deer after this stage, but if you are, it wouldn't hurt to burn their magic. At the very least it will aid your overall score(s). __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

12-09-2003, 08:05 PM	#280
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Cupid and Buck are still on the nasty side of endurance and Buck still has one magic point left. Any thoughts, guys? SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

12-09-2003, 10:56 PM	#283
Tasan College Starter Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houston, or there about	yeah, considering our landing last time, we should look into using the magic of our very low endurance deer. __________________ 2011 Golden Scribes winner for best Interactive Dynasty

12-10-2003, 09:41 AM	#285
Katon College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Providence, RI	I think that since the only deer we need to swap out after this round is Dancer, and since the stage is already over, we should sit tight. No magic.

12-10-2003, 10:23 AM	#286
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	huh...why not use dancer's magic....? __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

12-10-2003, 10:35 AM	#288
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	he only had one?...ok...nm __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

12-10-2003, 10:39 AM	#289
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	ok, misunderstanding...i thought to make free agency more interestingthat if you did not take part in a stage, you got 1 magic and 1 endurance added to your stats...I see that you are just doing it back to their normal levels that they started in....This would make free agents more attractive(for instance the free agents having high endurance and magic to make up for other lack of qualities)...I just wanted to know what your system was, because if you stick with the current i doubt we will see too much turnover __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

12-10-2003, 02:26 PM	#290
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	No Even magic for landing - Odds? I believe SI was proposing the possibility. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

12-11-2003, 12:18 AM	#292
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I'll second that. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

12-11-2003, 06:33 AM	#293
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Stage 2 - Landing Odds: As the team maneuvered for the rain landing, both Vlad and Donner struggled to get into position. Rudolph also had problems, but the rest of the deer adjusted the sleigh, led by Buck and Moonbeam, and balanced things out. The team then nailed a pretty solid landing, with the lead deer contributing well; Moonbeam and Cupid fared poorly, but even Clarisse and Buck countered with good efforts. The score was +11, for a Stage 2 score of -41 and an Overall Score of +52. Evens: While Dancer attempted to maneuver the sleigh into a good landing pattern, Blitzen acted more like a moose than a flying reindeer, and cavorted around like a wind-blown snowflake. This shook things up, but the team rallied nicely, especially Egg Nog. Even the less-maneuverable deer helped out. As they neared the ground, Sugarplum and Dasher dominated, and the sleigh eased onto the wet earth with a nice team effort and a Stage 2 win. Score was +10, with and Overall Score of +65. * * * * * Overall Score: Evens +65 and 1 Stage Odds +52 and 1 Stage * * * * * Endurance and Magic ratings have been updated on the deer. We now hold a brief mini-draft to replace any deer you wish to drop. Remember that each deer that you replace costs a (-5) overall score penalty. For your pick you may either drop a deer from your team and select a replacement, or pass. Odds get the first pick in this stage, and then teams trade off picks until both have passed on consecutive picks. You may still draft later after passing, as long as both teams have not passed on consecutive picks (at which point the draft ends). Proposed draft picks will need to be seconded, but in order to keep things moving, the pick will be official once two hours have gone by regardless of seconding, and the other team may pick. Weather for Stage 3 is Fog, and weather for Stage 4 is Overcast. You may also switch lead deer. Once the draft is over, please proceed to this decision as well as any magic for take-off. Odds are on the clock! __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage. Last edited by WSUCougar : 12-11-2003 at 08:43 AM.

12-11-2003, 09:03 AM	#297
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Hmm... since I just sent you a PM saying essentially the same thing, I'll second. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

12-11-2003, 09:38 AM	#299
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Odds select Silent Night and dump Buck, with a -5 switching-out penalty. Deer list updated. Overall Score: Evens +65 and 1 Stage Odds +47 and 1 Stage Evens, you are on the clock. __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

12-11-2003, 10:36 AM	#300
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	Well, i know we have to dump one deer...should we pick up hoofmaniac? __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

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