Werewolf CXL - The Dark Knight Returns - GAME OVER - Page 4

saldana · 10-17-2011, 08:01 PM

checking in

Autumn · 10-17-2011, 08:10 PM

I'm heading out now, and I have class first thing in the morning. So I won't be able to respond to any comments until around noon tomorrow. I'll check once later tonight before I sleep in case anyone has a last second question.

CrimsonFox · 10-17-2011, 08:11 PM

I think if we do some heavy duty voting analysis up to this point, we will find that Autumn killed the first guy.

dzilla77 · 10-17-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I think if we do some heavy duty voting analysis up to this point, we will find that Autumn killed the first guy.

Yeah, but if we vote Danny today and Autumn tomorrow, we can lynch two wolves.

CrimsonFox · 10-17-2011, 08:17 PM

wow excellent point.

hoopsguy · 10-17-2011, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by dzilla77

Yeah, but if we vote Danny today and Autumn tomorrow, we can lynch two wolves.

Sounds almost too easy.

The Jackal · 10-17-2011, 08:30 PM

Villager here! Hopefully the N0 scans went in our favor. Have an important interview tmw so ill be out for midday but aside from that I'm ready to save me some Gotham. And autumn isn't going to be stabbed, thanks autumn!

Commo_Soldier · 10-17-2011, 08:41 PM

Checking in

Commo_Soldier · 10-17-2011, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Villager here! Hopefully the N0 scans went in our favor. Have an important interview tmw so ill be out for midday but aside from that I'm ready to save me some Gotham. And autumn isn't going to be stabbed, thanks autumn!

Hard for them to really go in our favor as they are all negative scans, but I guess it tells the person someone is a villager.

Also important interview, gone part of the day...

Vote Jackal

Commo_Soldier · 10-17-2011, 08:44 PM

Dola, my first game without items, who am I not going to pass my non-item to now?

CrimsonFox · 10-17-2011, 08:50 PM

we could always invoke zinto's law now too!

Commo_Soldier · 10-17-2011, 08:52 PM

Zinto's law? Also forgot to mention it last game, but EF referenced something he created when I asked which is worse having a throwaway vote or moving it at the last minute to a runaway. What exactly was he talking about?

CrimsonFox · 10-17-2011, 08:55 PM

Zinto's law: The Jackal is always a wolf.

A throwaway vote usually means putting a vote on someone who isn't really a contender to get lynched. Like if the vote was 6-5-5 on three people, but your vote was on someone with just 1 or 2 votes.
No matter when in the day you voted there.

Runaway is like when the vote is like 9-2 or something like that and you add yet another vote to the pile to make it 10-2.

Both are things wolves do to "hide their vote". Even though of course villagers do do this too for various reasons.

Commo_Soldier · 10-17-2011, 08:58 PM

Yeah, last game someone tried to do that, but was a minute late. I asked which was better and it sounded as if EF had something that was like a list of rules or something on wolf type activities.

CrimsonFox · 10-17-2011, 09:01 PM

oh that-----here----> http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...ad.php?t=80961

Commo_Soldier · 10-17-2011, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

oh that-----here----> The List - Front Office Football Central

Ah, thanks!

The Jackal · 10-17-2011, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

Hard for them to really go in our favor as they are all negative scans, but I guess it tells the person someone is a villager.

I didn't notice the word "negative". What does that even mean?

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Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

Also important interview, gone part of the day...

Vote Jackal

I'll be around plenty to defend myself from such underhanded mob-like tactics! Though there's also a flyers game tomorrow night.

The Jackal · 10-17-2011, 09:33 PM

Does negative just mean they get a random scan which cannot hit a role they are looking for?

So every disturbed citizen will learn one person who definitely isn't Dawes or Arkham, while Dawes will learn two people that definitely aren't supervillains and Arkham learns one person that definitely isn't a disturbed citizen?

The Jackal · 10-17-2011, 09:34 PM

That's a pretty cool feature actually, I'm not sure I've played a game with that kind of inclusion, or else I don't remember it, if that's what this is.

The Jackal · 10-17-2011, 09:35 PM

Especially since no one can PM - this is a very intriguing roleset, should be fun to see what happens.

The Jackal · 10-17-2011, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Zinto's law: The Jackal is always a wolf.

I don't think I've been a wolf since I adopted that signature. Maybe the first game, but I don't remember.

The Jackal · 10-17-2011, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

oh that-----here----> The List - Front Office Football Central

That was mostly a joke, with some snippets of truth. People are always looking for hidden, or easy votes. It's one of the reasons I was testing that craziness on D2 yesterday, it would've been very easy to vote me for it .. although I haven't gone back and looked at the final results of who ended up on me that day..

The Jackal · 10-17-2011, 09:38 PM

yesterday = last game

The Jackal · 10-17-2011, 09:40 PM

Jackal - Autumn, Saldana, Dzilla, J23, Zinto

See. Two wolves and one wolf convert! The theory was sound!

The Jackal · 10-17-2011, 09:41 PM

Or wait, nevermind, J wasn't a wolf, that was just your posturing. So just one wolf and a future convert. But it's just something to think about, wolf voting decisions are never easy, and it's what we analyze to try and pick people out when there aren't any obvious missteps.

The Jackal · 10-17-2011, 09:42 PM

Most of the time it's just villager movement, then you combine it with Danny's gut and presto - wolf.

The Jackal · 10-17-2011, 09:42 PM

I used to say that about Alan T. I remember that one game when he had every single wolf pegged, maybe even on D1. That was ridiculous.

Abe Sargent · 10-17-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Well this isn't quite the "love is in the air" vibe that I've grown to expect from Abe Sargent.

I am a man of nothing but love.

Zinto · 10-17-2011, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I don't think I've been a wolf since I adopted that signature. Maybe the first game, but I don't remember.

I don't think you have been either. In The Evil Dead game I was going to be super mad at myself if you where the wolf. That being said you must be the only wolf today!

ntndeacon · 10-17-2011, 10:46 PM

I am around and will be on off and on tomorrow. Ready to fight those that are sure to put me on the block!

CrimsonFox · 10-17-2011, 10:53 PM

don't make ntn angry. You wouldn't LIKE hime when he's angry!

ntndeacon · 10-17-2011, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

don't make ntn angry. You wouldn't LIKE hime when he's angry!

Somehow I don't turn green. Gotta leave Schmidty's schtick alone.

CrimsonFox · 10-17-2011, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Somehow I don't turn green. Gotta leave Schmidty's schtick alone.

yeah don't touch Schmidty's schtick.

Narcizo · 10-18-2011, 12:42 AM

Aye negative scans are pretty common - I remember I had one when I was the sorceror in Autumn's 9-player game. Pretty good way of making day one slightly less of a crap shoot than usual.

Looks like a tough game for the village - we have to stay on top of things because if the game starts to run away from us then it could run away very quickly. Don't think voting records are going to be fantastically useful in this game - the only possible way I can see them being important is if we luck on Two-Face early on as he will then have four people protecting him. Otherwise everyone will be as much in the dark as everyone else.

Narcizo · 10-18-2011, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

It's one of the reasons I was testing that craziness on D2 yesterday, it would've been very easy to vote me for it .. although I haven't gone back and looked at the final results of who ended up on me that day..

Obviously I wasn't round but I don't think there was much discussion about targeting you. I think the main thing you achieved was a degree of trust from some of the village and the (correct) suspicion that you didn't have a role among the wolves. Often villagers are looking for an easy reason to vote someone as well as the wolves early on.

CrimsonFox · 10-18-2011, 12:45 AM

ehh I think it will be tougher for the corrupt people. They don't know who each other are.

What you think, Zinto?

Narcizo · 10-18-2011, 12:46 AM

Touching Schmidty's stick turns you green?

Zinto · 10-18-2011, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

ehh I think it will be tougher for the corrupt people. They don't know who each other are.

What you think, Zinto?

It is going to be pretty tough for Two Face to be able to corrupt in this game. It is going to be a crap shoot the first few days with him also, since he has about as good of a chance to hit one of the Disturbed Citizens as we have to hit a wolf on the first few says of a game.

Zinto · 10-18-2011, 12:55 AM

It is going to be extremely important to try and find those little hints in people's posts that I can never find trying to bait Two Face into killing them. It is going to be interesting to see how some of the players try to flag him.

CrimsonFox · 10-18-2011, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Zinto

It is going to be pretty tough for Two Face to be able to corrupt in this game. It is going to be a crap shoot the first few days with him also, since he has about as good of a chance to hit one of the Disturbed Citizens as we have to hit a wolf on the first few says of a game.

then if it's anything like last game we (the village) is screwed

CrimsonFox · 10-18-2011, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Zinto

It is going to be extremely important to try and find those little hints in people's posts that I can never find trying to bait Two Face into killing them. It is going to be interesting to see how some of the players try to flag him.

well I for one do NOT want Twoface to kill me. Absolutely not. Why that would just kill me. I would just DIE if twoface killed me. JUST DIE, I tell you!

Zinto · 10-18-2011, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

then if it's anything like last game we (the village) is screwed

Hahha very true, if Two Face hits with Danny like accuracy then we will most likely lose.

CrimsonFox · 10-18-2011, 12:59 AM

gonna throw out a vote...wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

VOTE CHIEF RUM

Don't think I've forgotten about that rude diarrhea mouth comment!

Abe Sargent · 10-18-2011, 01:01 AM

I have "Cant Get You Out of My Head" running through my head. Confusion ensues.

CrimsonFox · 10-18-2011, 01:03 AM

Zinto · 10-18-2011, 01:07 AM

I am also going to place an early vote, that I am sure is going to raise some eyebrows. Hoops played a great wolf game in the last Dark Knight and this will be a revenge shot for convincing everyone I was a wolf in that game.

Vote Hoops

Zinto · 10-18-2011, 01:09 AM

Also as Crimson said during that game Hoops is like Satan and can convince anyone of anything as a wolf

CrimsonFox · 10-18-2011, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

I have "Cant Get You Out of My Head" running through my head. Confusion ensues.

Since this is the only thing you said,I'm trying to figure out how this is code to two-face.

Is that Coldplay or Kylie Monogue?

CrimsonFox · 10-18-2011, 02:10 AM

That really seems to imply that he IS two-face. But there is no reason why Two-face would want to signal anybody.

BUt maybe it's just a disturbed person trying to allude to 2face by clueing two-face.

Narcizo · 10-18-2011, 02:58 AM

So the police then. If they make a block then I think they should reveal the fact straight away so we know that it's a block rather than a conversion. After they've made a block they become a martyr so I doubt they'll be very interesting to Two-Face and that shouldn't be an issue. I think we're better off knowing that there could be two kills coming the next night or not.

10-17-2011, 08:41 PM	#158
Commo_Soldier College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: JBLM, WA	Checking in __________________ I killed a wolf and I liked it.

10-17-2011, 08:44 PM	#160
Commo_Soldier College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: JBLM, WA	Dola, my first game without items, who am I not going to pass my non-item to now? __________________ I killed a wolf and I liked it.

10-17-2011, 08:52 PM	#162
Commo_Soldier College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: JBLM, WA	Zinto's law? Also forgot to mention it last game, but EF referenced something he created when I asked which is worse having a throwaway vote or moving it at the last minute to a runaway. What exactly was he talking about? __________________ I killed a wolf and I liked it.

10-17-2011, 08:58 PM	#164
Commo_Soldier College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: JBLM, WA	Yeah, last game someone tried to do that, but was a minute late. I asked which was better and it sounded as if EF had something that was like a list of rules or something on wolf type activities. __________________ I killed a wolf and I liked it.

10-18-2011, 01:01 AM	#194
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I have "Cant Get You Out of My Head" running through my head. Confusion ensues. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

10-17-2011, 08:01 PM	#151
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	checking in

10-17-2011, 08:10 PM	#152
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I'm heading out now, and I have class first thing in the morning. So I won't be able to respond to any comments until around noon tomorrow. I'll check once later tonight before I sleep in case anyone has a last second question.

10-17-2011, 08:11 PM	#153
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	I think if we do some heavy duty voting analysis up to this point, we will find that Autumn killed the first guy.

10-17-2011, 08:17 PM	#155
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	wow excellent point.

10-17-2011, 08:30 PM	#157
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Villager here! Hopefully the N0 scans went in our favor. Have an important interview tmw so ill be out for midday but aside from that I'm ready to save me some Gotham. And autumn isn't going to be stabbed, thanks autumn!

10-17-2011, 08:50 PM	#161
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	we could always invoke zinto's law now too!

10-17-2011, 08:55 PM	#163
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	Zinto's law: The Jackal is always a wolf. A throwaway vote usually means putting a vote on someone who isn't really a contender to get lynched. Like if the vote was 6-5-5 on three people, but your vote was on someone with just 1 or 2 votes. No matter when in the day you voted there. Runaway is like when the vote is like 9-2 or something like that and you add yet another vote to the pile to make it 10-2. Both are things wolves do to "hide their vote". Even though of course villagers do do this too for various reasons.

10-17-2011, 09:01 PM	#165
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	oh that-----here----> http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...ad.php?t=80961

10-17-2011, 09:33 PM	#168
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Does negative just mean they get a random scan which cannot hit a role they are looking for? So every disturbed citizen will learn one person who definitely isn't Dawes or Arkham, while Dawes will learn two people that definitely aren't supervillains and Arkham learns one person that definitely isn't a disturbed citizen?

10-17-2011, 09:34 PM	#169
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	That's a pretty cool feature actually, I'm not sure I've played a game with that kind of inclusion, or else I don't remember it, if that's what this is.

10-17-2011, 09:35 PM	#170
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Especially since no one can PM - this is a very intriguing roleset, should be fun to see what happens.

10-17-2011, 09:38 PM	#173
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	yesterday = last game

10-17-2011, 09:40 PM	#174
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Jackal - Autumn, Saldana, Dzilla, J23, Zinto See. Two wolves and one wolf convert! The theory was sound!

10-17-2011, 09:41 PM	#175
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Or wait, nevermind, J wasn't a wolf, that was just your posturing. So just one wolf and a future convert. But it's just something to think about, wolf voting decisions are never easy, and it's what we analyze to try and pick people out when there aren't any obvious missteps.

10-17-2011, 09:42 PM	#176
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Most of the time it's just villager movement, then you combine it with Danny's gut and presto - wolf.

10-17-2011, 09:42 PM	#177
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I used to say that about Alan T. I remember that one game when he had every single wolf pegged, maybe even on D1. That was ridiculous.

10-17-2011, 10:46 PM	#180
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I am around and will be on off and on tomorrow. Ready to fight those that are sure to put me on the block!

10-17-2011, 10:53 PM	#181
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	don't make ntn angry. You wouldn't LIKE hime when he's angry!

10-18-2011, 12:42 AM	#184
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	Aye negative scans are pretty common - I remember I had one when I was the sorceror in Autumn's 9-player game. Pretty good way of making day one slightly less of a crap shoot than usual. Looks like a tough game for the village - we have to stay on top of things because if the game starts to run away from us then it could run away very quickly. Don't think voting records are going to be fantastically useful in this game - the only possible way I can see them being important is if we luck on Two-Face early on as he will then have four people protecting him. Otherwise everyone will be as much in the dark as everyone else.

10-18-2011, 12:45 AM	#186
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	ehh I think it will be tougher for the corrupt people. They don't know who each other are. What you think, Zinto?

10-18-2011, 12:46 AM	#187
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	Touching Schmidty's stick turns you green?

10-18-2011, 12:55 AM	#189
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	It is going to be extremely important to try and find those little hints in people's posts that I can never find trying to bait Two Face into killing them. It is going to be interesting to see how some of the players try to flag him.

10-18-2011, 12:59 AM	#193
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	gonna throw out a vote...wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! VOTE CHIEF RUM Don't think I've forgotten about that rude diarrhea mouth comment!

10-18-2011, 01:03 AM	#195
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	ELO!

10-18-2011, 01:07 AM	#196
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	I am also going to place an early vote, that I am sure is going to raise some eyebrows. Hoops played a great wolf game in the last Dark Knight and this will be a revenge shot for convincing everyone I was a wolf in that game. Vote Hoops

10-18-2011, 01:09 AM	#197
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	Also as Crimson said during that game Hoops is like Satan and can convince anyone of anything as a wolf

10-18-2011, 02:10 AM	#199
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	That really seems to imply that he IS two-face. But there is no reason why Two-face would want to signal anybody. BUt maybe it's just a disturbed person trying to allude to 2face by clueing two-face.

10-18-2011, 02:58 AM	#200
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	So the police then. If they make a block then I think they should reveal the fact straight away so we know that it's a block rather than a conversion. After they've made a block they become a martyr so I doubt they'll be very interesting to Two-Face and that shouldn't be an issue. I think we're better off knowing that there could be two kills coming the next night or not.

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