04-18-2006, 12:45 PM | #501 |
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Cronin you have an explanation for that vote?
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04-18-2006, 12:52 PM | #502 | |
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No - I'm really puzzled by this game, more so than any other. I think there's at least one person out there with proof of something, and if so I think it's almost time for them to come forward. There is probably only one Thing left, so we need to bust out our endgame strategy. If the Thing that's left is a convert, it could be anybody (including Barkeep49, even if we believe him about Qwik, which I 70% do), but probably somebody who DIDN'T vote for saldana. |
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04-18-2006, 12:58 PM | #503 |
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Would still rather see someone than Barkeep tested because I don't believe he's a thing, therefore:
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hmmmm...I did a little excel chart for final voting and one thing pops out at me. dubb voted for saldana on Day 1 but didn't go for him on Day 2. He's continuing his voting on hoops on day 3, so I gotta say that looks pretty strange to me.
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04-18-2006, 01:08 PM | #506 |
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I had him voting for BK ... lemme think about this.
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in that case Unvote Raiders Army Vote dubb |
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04-18-2006, 01:09 PM | #508 |
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VOTE DUBB I think the convert (if there is one) is either him, Jeeber, or Blade. |
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Updated votes as of Post #506:
Hoopsguy - Dubb (433) Tanglewood - Anxiety (447) Raiders - Blade (463), mckerney (503) WVU - Coffee (473) Barkeep - JeeberD (484) Jeeber - path (486) Dubb - Raiders (504) No vote - Swaggs, WVU, Tanglewood, Barkeep, Cronin, Hoopsguy |
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I agree with this, except I don't think it's Jeeber or Blade. |
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04-18-2006, 01:13 PM | #511 | ||
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Not the smoking gun you think it is. Saldana was so obviously a thing after the PMs came out and how he handled the situation that I felt it best to throw my vote on someone that could actually win the game for them. If Hoops was/is a thing, which I feel is likely it would be gameover b/c you guys are all giving him a verbal bj so far this game. Its almost like both barkeep and hoops are god and everything they say is truth. I call BS on them, one of them ATLEAST isn't on the up and up. I think it's Hoops. Test me, show your stupidity.
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04-18-2006, 01:14 PM | #512 |
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I know that WVUfan was on earlier this morning - he posted in another thread - but he still has yet to post in here. Given that I think that we have killed two original Things, we are either after a 3rd starter Thing or a convert. WVUfan potentially could fit either profile (unlike some of the guesses for convert) so that coupled with his silence over the last two days equals
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04-18-2006, 01:20 PM | #514 |
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Dubb, Saldana was a 5-4 vote so it wasn't THAT obvious to the collective group. Given that there were three no votes we were very, very close to not getting him yesterday (tie = no test). If you were so sure he was a Thing, given the closeness of the race your vote probably would have helped give a little bit of breathing room. This sounds like a little bit of revisionist theory on your part.
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Actually I made my call to vote you early and figured everyone would see Saldana. Most of they day I wasn't checking in the werewolf thread so I didn't know what the vote count was until late in the day after the deadline. Call it revisionist, call it what you want, but I tend to think the group as a whole is smart enough to pick up on post 185 where he made himself sound like a complete idiot. Would I have changed my vote if I came back and saw it was close? Yes, but when I did come back I didn't take the time to dig through posts, and to be honest I'm playing this game very much on the fly which is not how I normally play so forgive me if I'm making bad judgement calls. With all that said, I probably won't defend myself anymore today b/c if the group wants me tested I'm more than happy to be tested, it just won't get us anywhere. I think the best way would be to test either Barkeep or Hoops. One has no evidence to back up his claims and the other has cleared himself by using a certain term out of context.
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Damn you raiders, i had cronin and mckerney with me for like 5 minutes and now they abandon me...if dubb isnt bad, damn you
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I am going to place my vote now, to see if it gains any momentum or reaction. If things look close, I will switch to unbreak a tie.
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04-18-2006, 02:30 PM | #521 | |
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Yep. This is like an all or nothing play for the Things. The tough part is that if we miss on this one, then we have NO trust list - the convert could be anybody. |
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1. Can they convert every night? 2. If not, was someone converted night 1? Those are two pretty big questions in my mind. |
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04-18-2006, 02:35 PM | #523 |
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I have my vote on dubb; my second choice right now would be Barkeep. I'm not at all convinced he's not an original thing.
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2.See above, or barkeep really is good and they did nothing night 1(we had a night 0 as well though, so they could have a seer too).
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With as many questions as people have with Barkeep I'm willing to punt on our 2nd test of the day and have him tested. I don't like it, but if we are going to have someone come up clean then it might as well be him.
That said, a miss here and we are then likely facing two Things the rest of the way and the game gets hard again. Voting patterns start to have less meaning, early-forming alliances have to be re-assessed, etc. I'm hoping that if we miss today that we are lucky with someone having a night role that stuffs the conversion . Potentially this could have happened on Night 1 as well, although with no one commenting on this and nothing in Schmidty's Night 1 recap post to indicate I doubt that we were running this lucky. |
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I mostly agree with this reasoning, although I think a vote for saldana has to be a clear for anybody. |
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I think Raiders is an interesting target. We know saldana to be a Thing. So if Saldana is a thing and has a chance to convert somebody, who better then his arch enemy? The same could also hold in reverse on the assumption that if saldana was killed it would clear Raiders based on his early suspicion of saldana.
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Dola -- I will agree though that with our chance to win, it's better to go for the win now then to test me as I think the evidence should be mroe and mroe in my favor.
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I never considered saldana to be my archenemy or Lex Luthor. I considered him to be more like Bizzaro, the dude who could be my friend or not depending on his role that day.
Oh yeah, who's my Lois Lane? Back to the game, it would be interesting to clear Barkeep which is why I voted for him initially; however, looking back at the votes and actions, I tend to believe that he's more good than dubb is bad. In other words, I feel more strongly that Barkeep is good than I feel dubb is bad. Thus the switch in votes. |
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That scenario only works IF the vote swap hadn't worked. If it had forced a tie and nobody got tested, or if had Barkeep had tested clean, then the Things maybe get another convert, saldana would still would have been one suspect among several, and then the move would have worked. Which, incidentally, is another reason why Barkeep is a suspect in my mind. |
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I also happen to think that despite the fact that I would show up as clean a late minute switch would not have been as suspicious as in most other games due to the way I've played and the fact that I wouldn't die.
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Well, it does work IF nobody else changes their vote. I'm just saying it's not as clearcut as you make it sound, particularly since (assuming barkeep is clean) it means they get another convert - meaning that if you swap your vote, you're trading 1 for 1. |
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Speaking of suspicious activity, your post count is not normal Blade.
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I think you're forgetting that a succesful test means they get no night cycle - that's a pretty fucking gigantic risk to take, don't you think? |
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On the vote swap issue, someone could have swapped and created a tie. That certainly could have been done last night given the very low level of activity. Say that the vote was moved to create a tie at 7:30. If no other votes came into play someone could argue that they didn't think that a tie would hold up - that someone would change their vote. Blah blah blah ...
The Things obviously wanted to keep Saldana alive last night but couldn't get the numbers to do it. Even if one of them voted for Saldana, moving off of him would have freed them up for another conversion. So even if we hit Saldana and the person who created the tie the next day, they were still going to keep the game alive into Day 4 (assuming night conversions) because we can't get three in one day. That's why I'm just about positive there is only one remaining at this point and that he wasn't on Saldana. I'm still a little surprised that whoever it is didn't just take the plunge and put the vote on Barkeep to use the strategy above. Because they ended up risking a total loss today to try and extend their playing time. |
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I agree with almost all of this. That means we should probably be looking at those who voted for BK. That's Blade, Anxiety, saldana, and me (gulp). unvote dubb vote Blade |
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bring it cronin, im not backing down on my views
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Of course it could've created a tie. Raiders could have typed unvote saldana, vote Jeeber. That would've made a tie. I'm starting to like Blade as a thing ... he's usually very logical. |
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Updated votes, as of Post #548:
Hoopsguy - Dubb (433) Tanglewood - Anxiety (447) Raiders - Blade (463), mckerney (503) WVU - Coffee (473), Hoopsguy (512) Barkeep - JeeberD (484) Jeeber - path (486), Swaggs (517) Dubb - Raiders (504) Blade - Cronin (545) No vote - WVU, Tanglewood, Barkeep |
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