FOFC Favorite Rock Act - Round 1 Group N

[BYU 14]

Group N represents a wide span of decades, but not seeing any upsets in this round

Most votes one act	Most votes both acts	Fewest votes winner	Most votes loser
68 - Guns n' Roses - 1st rd	75 - AC/DC vs Asia (68-7) - 1st rd	23 - Jeff Buckley - Play in rd	33 - Eric Burdon & The Animals - 1st rd
68 - AC/DC - 1st rd	75 - Paul Simon vs Billy Idol (42-33) - 1st rd	23 - Counting Crows - Play in rd	33 - Billy Idol - 1st rd
66 - Neil Young - 1st rd	74 - Thee way tie	24 - Sammy Hagar - Play in rd	29 - Three tied - 1st rd
Largest margin of victory	Smallest margin of victory	Biggest upset	Largest Shutout
64 - Guns n' Roses vs Slipknot (68-4) - 1st rd	1 - Elvis Costello vs STP (29-28) 1st rd	175/74 - James Taylor over Alice in Chains 1st rd	Chicago 63 - Arcana 0 - 1st rd
64 - Queen vs Counting Crows (67-3) 1st rd	2 - Kiss vs The Cranberries (31-29) 1st rd	185/96 - No Doubt over Eric Burdon - 1st rd	The Kinks 63 - Free 0 - 1st rd
63 - Chicago vs Arcana (63-0) - 1st rd	2 - ELO vs Hall and Oates (31-29) 1st rd	149/69 - Crosby, Stills & Nash over Alice Cooper
63 - The Kinks vs Free (63-0) - 1st rd

[dawgfan]

Getting tougher. I greatly respect Traffic, but the Dead have a bigger, better resume. And as much as I value Joy Division, Supertramp has two brilliant albums and another great song from another record which gives them a better case.

[tarcone]

Pat Benatar beating Jerry Lee Lewis?

Wow.

[korme]

Jagged Little Pill was an awesome album.

[JAG]

I saw Million Dollar Quartet over the 4th of July break and got a newfound appreciation for Jerry Lee Lewis.

[thesloppy]

Sublime is the worst band in the history of the world, and I'm offended that they're even on this list.

[JonInMiddleGA]

chalk

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Pat Benatar beating Jerry Lee Lewis?

Shameful!

[britrock88]

Judas Priest v. Tears for Fears will be an interesting one. I'm not sure the 80s produced a better song than Everybody Wants to Rule the World.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by britrock88

I'm not sure the 80s produced a better song than Everybody Wants to Rule the World.

Too bad it's more pop than actual rock.

That this is even close illustrates the weakness of the original list, as well as the bizarre nature of FOFC posters.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Judas Priest v. Tears for Fears will be an interesting one. I'm not sure the 80s produced a better song than Everybody Wants to Rule the World.

I hear you. While I generally like Priest, I was never a big 80's metal guy. Tears For Fears kind of bugged me from an image standpoint, but they put out some great music. Songs From the Big Chair is one of the better records of that decade.

Very interesting stylistic battle. With Priest (at least in their heyday) you have classic 80's metal (though with more than a bit of pop sensibility), and with Tears For Fears a new-wave group that evolved to bring a lot of jazz sensibilities into their mix. And "Sowing the Seeds of Love" was one of the better impressions of late-period Beatles that I've heard.

[NobodyHere]

Roger Waters is not getting a lot of love

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Roger Waters is not getting a lot of love

Allman brothers are a tough matchup, plus they may be getting some sentiment votes with the recent death of Gregg.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by britrock88

I'm not sure the 80s produced a better song than Everybody Wants to Rule the World.

I never did vibe with that song, but won't deny they were talented. I much preferred this one, in fact my favorite song by T4F by a mile.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Roger Waters is not getting a lot of love

Waters as a solo artist is pretty "meh". Radio KAOS was a decent record, but none of his solo stuff holds a candle to Pink Floyd.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

I never did vibe with that song, but won't deny they were talented. I much preferred this one, in fact my favorite song by T4F by a mile.

That's a good one too. I'm partial to "The Working Hour" myself, but the whole album is terrific.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by dawgfan

That's a good one too. I'm partial to "The Working Hour" myself, but the whole album is terrific.

...and it's not even their best album, IMO. The Hurting is.

[CrimsonFox]

Dear mr. Fantasy play us a tune something to make us all happy

[CrimsonFox]

But you
You're not allowed
You're uninvited
An unfortunate slight

[CrimsonFox]

Right right you're bloody well right you got a bloody right to say right you're bloody well right you know you have a ride to say

[ColtCrazy]

Tears for Fears is one of my favorite 80s groups along with Men at Work.

[tarcone]

Love Men at Work

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Love Men at Work

Was slightly surprised at their omission, as they didn't make the tournament coming in at 318 in the rankings. I know they fell off after their debut album, but still, they had a very unique style.

Others of note that didn't make it
Sweet (273)
Quiet Riot (274)
Collective Soul (280)
Eddie money (292)
Warren Zevon (305)
Hootie and the Blowfish (314)
Skid Row (315)
April Wine (322) This rating is way too low!
Ratt (334)
Cheryl Crow (348)
UFO (355) criminally underrated band
Matchbox Twenty (373)
Kid Rock (378)
Maroon 5 (383)
James Gang (400)
Dire Straights (423) Shockingly low
Bad Brains (444)
The Outlaws (449)
Everclear (457)
Night Ranger (546) Okay, fucking Spinal Tap is ranked higher than Night Ranger at 542, are you kidding me?
Alter Bridge (557)
Oingo Boingo (599)

[CrimsonFox]

Oingo boingo that low yet sublime is in there. Just shit. WTF with dire straits

[CrimsonFox]

Men at work best 80s band for me.
Colin hay is on tour in the Fall

[CrimsonFox]

I never got I into the smelly hippees
Traffic m'usic somuch better to me. And long boring jams are not my thing.

[CrimsonFox]

Breakin the law breakin the law...

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Oingo boingo that low yet sublime is in there.

Right, they were so solid live

[ColtCrazy]

Men at Work should have had a play-in game.

Several of those surprise me. Dire Straits. Eddie Money. UFO.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by ColtCrazy

Men at Work should have had a play-in game.

Several of those surprise me. Dire Straits. Eddie Money. UFO.

Maybe I will do a best of the rest tournament down the road

[ColtCrazy]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

Maybe I will do a best of the rest tournament down the road

The NIT of bands!!!

[bhlloy]

Dire Straits are the 45th seed back in Group G. Was there another band with that spelling or something?

[JonInMiddleGA]

After looking at that list & comparing with some of what has been included, umm ... credibility does become a bit of an issue for the list.

Then again we actually have voters taking Tears For Fears seriously as a rock band against one of the Mount Rushmore bands of their era so I'm not really sure how much the original list matters. That pretty much relegates this to joke status.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Dire Straits are the 45th seed back in Group G. Was there another band with that spelling or something?

LOL, you're correct, the version below is spelled wrong, wow. I should have caught that. Compiling this I found a few situations like that and excluded them before the poll, but missed this one. But still, Spinal Tap higher than Night Ranger

[CarterNMA]

Pretty apparent that the list was made by music "intellectuals."

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

After looking at that list & comparing with some of what has been included, umm ... credibility does become a bit of an issue for the list.

Then again we actually have voters taking Tears For Fears seriously as a rock band against one of the Mount Rushmore bands of their era so I'm not really sure how much the original list matters. That pretty much relegates this to joke status.

The rankings definitely cast a wide net in terms of genre of "rock" and/or what it takes to qualify, but it is pretty much equal to any act that created music with even the slightest amount of "rock" in it.

As far as the voting, it is favorite act, so it is a matter of taste. So Tears for Fears winning is pretty much is an "is what it is result" to me. I am surprised they are beating Priest too, but that's what makes this tournament fun. You never know how tastes will influence the vote and it would be boring if all the top seeds won. As others have mentioned, just the age demographic of this board will result in some very talented current bands not getting the votes they may deserve. At least in terms of talent/product.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

I am surprised they are beating Priest too, but that's what makes this tournament fun.

What you call "fun" I call not being able to take it seriously.

That's akin to a groundswell of support that names the Rolling Stones as the top motown/soul/r&b group of all time.

It could happen ... but it would also be fucking ridiculous.

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

What you call "fun" I call not being able to take it seriously.

That's akin to a groundswell of support that names the Rolling Stones as the top motown/soul/r&b group of all time.

It could happen ... but it would also be fucking ridiculous.

Meh, just like sports brother

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Oingo boingo that low yet sublime is in there. Just shit. WTF with dire straits

I actually really like Sublime. They had a distinctive sound that they owned, and I can tell you, as a 20-something Cali kid in the 90s, the message they were sending fit my crowd perfectly.

But, I agree. It's a travesty Oingo Boingo is so low in general. They were a terrific band. They also had a distinctive sound and culture that they completely owned. I went to their Halloween shows a few times amd those Dead Men's Parties were amazing. Extremely underrated.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I actually really like Sublime. They had a distinctive sound that they owned, and I can tell you, as a 20-something Cali kid in the 90s, the message they were sending fit my crowd perfectly.

But, I agree. It's a travesty Oingo Boingo is so low in general. They were a terrific band. They also had a distinctive sound and culture that they completely owned. I went to their Halloween shows a few times amd those Dead Men's Parties were amazing. Extremely underrated.

I didn't totally mean to trash on sublime. Someone mentioned them before so they were an easy target. But they represent 90s one hit wonder. I like the 90s and seeing them represented but seeing one hit wonders of the 90s 80s 70s 60s make the list over people with such distinctive sounds and history of work like oingo and dire and crow. Wow talk about bias

[CrimsonFox]

Warren zevon skid row matchbox twenty collective soul outlaws all belong in list. Come on BYU we trusted you

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Warren zevon skid row matchbox twenty collective soul outlaws all belong in list. Come on BYU we trusted you

LOL, just going by Ranker, don't kill the sole messenger for the acts of thousands

[Vince, Pt. II]

I honestly think that this sort of tournament would be more fun flighted. Very few people would argue Beatles/Stones/Who/Presley against almost anyone on this list, but the interesting competitions are the Judas Priest v Tears for Fears ones.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I didn't totally mean to trash on sublime. Someone mentioned them before so they were an easy target. But they represent 90s one hit wonder. I like the 90s and seeing them represented but seeing one hit wonders of the 90s 80s 70s 60s make the list over people with such distinctive sounds and history of work like oingo and dire and crow. Wow talk about bias

I pretty much agree with everything here--except for calling Sublime a one hit wonder. They may not have hit your personal airwaves too much (I'm guessing), but several of their songs have been and continue to be regularly played on multiple alt rock stations wherever I have gone.

On top of your one hit (guessing that is "What I Got", Sublime's most well known song), they are particularly well known for "Santeria" and the "Date Rape" song. Several songs on their selftitled album (6 time platinum) are fsirly likely to be heard on any alt rock station in any city of some size. You have also likely heard their cover of the Toyes' "Smoke Two Joints" although maybe you didn't realize it is them.

I agree with you about Oingo and Dire and many of those others (I would go to a Boingo show over most other bands in any top 250 or top 600, including Sublime), but Sublime is considered to be one of the most influential punk-ska fusion bands to ever come along, and who knows how far they might have gone if Bradley Nowell hadn't passed away OD on heroin.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I pretty much agree with everything here--except for calling Sublime a one hit wonder. They may not have hit your personal airwaves too much (I'm guessing), but several of their songs have been and continue to be regularly played on multiple alt rock stations wherever I have gone.

In fairness, by the numbers, they are a three-hit band: What I Got, Santeria, and Wrong Way (neither the original nor the re-issue of Date Rape got significant airplay as far as I can tell). That's a #1 and a pair of #3 on the alternative/modern rock charts. The difference in spins for those chart positions is pretty minimal (depending on the life cycle of each of course)

The difference most likely comes from What I Got crossing over as a mainstream rock hit whereas the other two didn't. That represents, give or take, probably twice as many total spins at that point. That means greater penetration, and creates the sense for some that they were a one-hit wonder.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

In fairness, by the numbers, they are a three-hit band: What I Got, Santeria, and Wrong Way (neither the original nor the re-issue of Date Rape got significant airplay as far as I can tell). That's a #1 and a pair of #3 on the alternative/modern rock charts. The difference in spins for those chart positions is pretty minimal (depending on the life cycle of each of course)

The difference most likely comes from What I Got crossing over as a mainstream rock hit whereas the other two didn't. That represents, give or take, probably twice as many total spins at that point. That means greater penetration, and creates the sense for some that they were a one-hit wonder.

Agreed. And I entirely can see Sublime being a huge niche band, as opposed to being a widespread hit machine. But it's not the obly band like that on this list. There are many that are very significant within their niches, while getting only abbreviated airplay on mainstream, national airwaves. For instance, some of the best metal bands almost never got.mainstream airplay, but I would put up Metallica (which didn't get any mainstream airplay until releasing "Nothing Else Matters"), Megadeth, Iron Maiden, etc. up against most of the best mainstream rock bands of all time. Same canbe said of many different musical niches and their various seminal influencers and acts.

Really, I just protest to dismissing Sublime as a one hit wonder. True one hit wonders aren't so influential nor do thwy more than rarely get airplay from more than one song.

[Izulde]

I now have Hootie running through my head - specifically "Let Her Cry". I also got a lot of shit in their heyday because of "Only Wanna Be With You" (Being a Dolphins fan and all).

[Grammaticus]

Sublime is not a one hit wonder. In addition to songs mentioned, Summertime got a lot of airplay. If the guy had not OD'd their follow up would have sold well on the rep of the last album. They have more hits and more recognizable songs than Joan Jett who is in the hall of fame off the success of one cover song.

[thesloppy]

Please stop talking about Sublime.

[General Mike]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Sublime is not a one hot wonder. In addition to songs mentioned, Summertime got a lot of airplay. If the guy had not OD'd their follow up would have sold well on the rep of the last album. They have more hits and more recognizable songs than Joan Jett who is in the hall of fame off the success of one cover song.

Yeah, I think if you aren't of the time, you can't gauge influence. I'm a little surprised to find out that Badfish and Smoke Two Joints never charted.