Jeffrey Epstien

tarcone · 05-27-2021, 09:26 PM

Why are the girls not coming forward in this day and age? Are they afraid they will die? What is going on?

We know who associated with this guy.

And you are telling me that those people didnt have sex with minors? BULLSIT

Are they afraid or being paid?

PilotMan · 05-27-2021, 09:30 PM

Why would you want to? It's far more common for women and girls who are abused to just try and put it behind them. Abused don't want to keep reliving all those experiences, and talking about it and getting it out in the open are far more painful than whatever benefit they get by talking about it. That's just the way it is, they move on, try and forget it ever happened and try really hard to forget about it. It's not a massive shock. That's what the vast majority of them do.

tarcone · 05-27-2021, 09:37 PM

#metoo

This is a whole new world we live in.

If these minors came forward, I believe the entire world as we know it would be way different.

tarcone · 05-27-2021, 09:43 PM

I was watching the Netflix documentary and getting disgusted.

Where are the girls coming forward.

If they did we could see an entirely new government. And MAGA would die. I would guess, but then again maybe not.

JPhillips · 05-27-2021, 10:37 PM

Why would you think anything would be different after watching Trump and Cuomo bully their way through allegations?

miami_fan · 05-28-2021, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

Why would you think anything would be different after watching Trump and Cuomo bully their way through allegations?

This!

Mota · 05-28-2021, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

#metoo

This is a whole new world we live in.

If these minors came forward, I believe the entire world as we know it would be way different.

I think our history of people trying to discredit these women and paint them as promiscuous is a deterrent.

Lathum · 05-28-2021, 07:35 AM

If these girls came forward their lives would become exponentially worse than they are now. They would be utterly destroyed.

NobodyHere · 05-28-2021, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

I was watching the Netflix documentary and getting disgusted.

Where are the girls coming forward.

If they did we could see an entirely new government. And MAGA would die. I would guess, but then again maybe not.

Multiple girls/women have accused Trump of rape since he started running for president, and that didn't kill MAGA. Unless they have some kind of hard proof (especially if the allegations are years/decades old) they would just be brushed aside, if not attacked by the conservative media.

Brian Swartz · 05-28-2021, 08:08 AM

To me the most important part is that they have every reason to choose for themselves what to do.

PilotMan · 05-28-2021, 09:00 AM

Iirc trump was accused by one of those very girls that was tied with Epstein. What did it get her?

JPhillips · 05-28-2021, 10:10 AM

We have Trump on tape bragging about sexual assault and his supporters either don't care or see it as a sign of his ability to dominate the opposition.

muns · 05-29-2021, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan

Why would you want to? It's far more common for women and girls who are abused to just try and put it behind them. Abused don't want to keep reliving all those experiences, and talking about it and getting it out in the open are far more painful than whatever benefit they get by talking about it. That's just the way it is, they move on, try and forget it ever happened and try really hard to forget about it. It's not a massive shock. That's what the vast majority of them do.

I am not gonna say much more than PM here, but FFS, tarcone, you think anybody that has been raped is thinking about the world at large?

They are bascially trying to feel safe day by day, in the smallest container that you or I could possibly imagine.

Once your safety is taken away, everything else that you think, that I think, that normal folks think, goes a fucking away.

A million dollars feels like 25 cents in the couch coushion, and I really wish I could explain that better, but as someone that works in the field with people that experience this bull shit I cant.

Nothing else matters but the trauma that was experienced, and the wordly vaules that you or I care about means jack shit

tarcone · 05-29-2021, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by muns

I am not gonna say much more than PM here, but FFS, tarcone, you think anybody that has been raped is thinking about the world at large?

They are bascially trying to feel safe day by day, in the smallest container that you or I could possibly imagine.

Once your safety is taken away, everything else that you think, that I think, that normal folks think, goes a fucking away.

A million dollars feels like 25 cents in the couch coushion, and I really wish I could explain that better, but as someone that works in the field with people that experience this bull shit I cant.

Nothing else matters but the trauma that was experienced, and the wordly vaules that you or I care about means jack shit

I am not in this field, but doesnt it usually take just one? I mean Nassar went down hard after one athlete came forward, right? And then they all did. Surely the girls and boy they preyed on, there has to be one. And where is the #metoo movement? Isnt this the type of thing that should be involved in?

Lathum · 05-29-2021, 08:42 AM

This seems more like you taking a shot at the #metoo movement and less about Epstein.

tarcone · 05-29-2021, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

This seems more like you taking a shot at the #metoo movement and less about Epstein.

Not at all. Not sure where you get that, but isnt this a prime example of who they should be helping get justice and heal?

Is it because the rich and powerful are involved?

Im just trying to figure out why this is so much off the radar.

thesloppy · 05-29-2021, 01:18 PM

Who do you think 'they' are? #metoo is literally a hashtag. Are you asking why didn't that word become sentient and dig up Jeffrey Epstein's dead body for justice?

thesloppy · 05-29-2021, 01:28 PM

I think it's also worth noting that Epstein's method/system of abuse likely made the victims feel as if they were well paid and/or complicit in their own abuse and that of others & putting themselves up for public scrutiny is not exactly an attractive proposition.

Fidatelo · 05-30-2021, 09:08 AM

So along with everything muns described I would guess the fact Epstein was successfully suicided in a monitored jail cell is probably also a bit of a deterrent. There are some ridiculously powerful forces behind this grotesquerie; how do we know some haven't tried to come forward and were 'dealt with' in some manner? Something like that happens once or twice and the message probably travels to the others.

PilotMan · 05-30-2021, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

I mean Nassar went down hard after one athlete came forward, right?

You're wrong here. Nassar went down because he was exposed via a massive comprehensive investigation by the USA Today, and the Indianapolis Star that detailed dozens of complaints against him. Nothing was done about him until that article came out and even then, he denied it all and USA Gymnastics initially backed him.

GrantDawg · 05-30-2021, 09:57 AM

Grotesquerie. That is a fun word that doesn't get used often enough.

05-27-2021, 09:30 PM	#2
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Why would you want to? It's far more common for women and girls who are abused to just try and put it behind them. Abused don't want to keep reliving all those experiences, and talking about it and getting it out in the open are far more painful than whatever benefit they get by talking about it. That's just the way it is, they move on, try and forget it ever happened and try really hard to forget about it. It's not a massive shock. That's what the vast majority of them do. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

05-27-2021, 09:37 PM	#3
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	#metoo This is a whole new world we live in. If these minors came forward, I believe the entire world as we know it would be way different. __________________ Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15

05-27-2021, 09:43 PM	#4
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	I was watching the Netflix documentary and getting disgusted. Where are the girls coming forward. If they did we could see an entirely new government. And MAGA would die. I would guess, but then again maybe not. __________________ Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15

05-27-2021, 10:37 PM	#5
JPhillips General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Why would you think anything would be different after watching Trump and Cuomo bully their way through allegations? __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

05-28-2021, 09:00 AM	#11
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	Iirc trump was accused by one of those very girls that was tied with Epstein. What did it get her? __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam

05-28-2021, 07:35 AM	#8
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	If these girls came forward their lives would become exponentially worse than they are now. They would be utterly destroyed.

05-28-2021, 08:08 AM	#10
Brian Swartz Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2006	To me the most important part is that they have every reason to choose for themselves what to do.

05-28-2021, 10:10 AM	#12
JPhillips General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	We have Trump on tape bragging about sexual assault and his supporters either don't care or see it as a sign of his ability to dominate the opposition. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

05-29-2021, 08:42 AM	#15
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	This seems more like you taking a shot at the #metoo movement and less about Epstein.

05-29-2021, 01:18 PM	#17
thesloppy Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PDX	Who do you think 'they' are? #metoo is literally a hashtag. Are you asking why didn't that word become sentient and dig up Jeffrey Epstein's dead body for justice? __________________ Last edited by thesloppy : Today at 05:35 PM. Last edited by thesloppy : 05-29-2021 at 01:18 PM.

05-29-2021, 01:28 PM	#18
thesloppy Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PDX	I think it's also worth noting that Epstein's method/system of abuse likely made the victims feel as if they were well paid and/or complicit in their own abuse and that of others & putting themselves up for public scrutiny is not exactly an attractive proposition. __________________ Last edited by thesloppy : Today at 05:35 PM.

05-30-2021, 09:08 AM	#19
Fidatelo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Winnipeg, MB	So along with everything muns described I would guess the fact Epstein was successfully suicided in a monitored jail cell is probably also a bit of a deterrent. There are some ridiculously powerful forces behind this grotesquerie; how do we know some haven't tried to come forward and were 'dealt with' in some manner? Something like that happens once or twice and the message probably travels to the others. __________________ "Breakfast? Breakfast schmekfast, look at the score for God's sake. It's only the second period and I'm winning 12-2. Breakfasts come and go, Rene, but Hartford, the Whale, they only beat Vancouver maybe once or twice in a lifetime."

05-30-2021, 09:57 AM	#21
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Grotesquerie. That is a fun word that doesn't get used often enough.

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