Official 2020 College Basketball Thread - Page 7

Lathum · 03-20-2021, 06:15 PM

You knew it would happen but I feel terrible for those kids.

miami_fan · 03-20-2021, 06:47 PM

For those watching the Mizzou vs Okla. game, Billy Tubbs gets ejected and suspended for that announcement in 2021, right?

FTR, he did get a technical.

JPhillips · 03-20-2021, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

It seems like a lot of companies that skipped the Super Bowl for big ads are using them now in March Madness

There are a ton of AT&T Lily commercials.

sterlingice · 03-20-2021, 11:25 PM

I believe this means every seed except for #16 won a game this first round

SI

Atocep · 03-20-2021, 11:31 PM

Shaka still yet to win a tourney game at Texas. He's lost to Northern Iowa on a half court shot, lost to Nevada in OT, and lost to Abilene Christian on free throws with 1.2 left.

JPhillips · 03-21-2021, 01:08 PM

Bad weekend for the Big Ten.

JPhillips · 03-21-2021, 01:15 PM

dola

Illinois has no plan for whether or not they should foul.

Thomkal · 03-21-2021, 02:01 PM

Illinois sure didn't look like a #1 seed there...

Swaggs · 03-21-2021, 02:02 PM

I wonder how long Porter Moser stays put. He should have all kinds of options.

MizzouRah · 03-21-2021, 02:09 PM

Bracket DEAD.

Brian Swartz · 03-21-2021, 02:59 PM

Feels like Cameron Krutwig has been at Illinois-Chicago for like a decade. It was forever ago that Ill-Chicago almost made the championship game.

BishopMVP · 03-21-2021, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I wonder how long Porter Moser stays put. He should have all kinds of options.

Does he really want to leave there for like a Minnesota or Marquette now? Chicago's a hotbed of talent, plenty of smaller universities have shown you can develop a consistent program, plus fwiw he does have a daughter who is a sophomore on the women's team at Loyola.

RainMaker · 03-21-2021, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Does he really want to leave there for like a Minnesota or Marquette now? Chicago's a hotbed of talent, plenty of smaller universities have shown you can develop a consistent program, plus fwiw he does have a daughter who is a sophomore on the women's team at Loyola.

Everyone has a price.

Illinois got shafted. Loyola has no business being an 8 seed.

jbergey22 · 03-21-2021, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Illinois got shafted. Loyola has no business being an 8 seed.

agree

Swaggs · 03-21-2021, 06:39 PM

Story of the season for WVU: just good enough to lose close games to good teams. I generally like Syracuse and wish them good luck, but another full week of hearing about Buddy Boeheim is going to be rough.

We lost 10 games and I think Syracuse is the only team seeded higher than 8th. Lost at Kansas by 14 early in the season and every other loss was by 5 or less. I think every team is still alive, except Texas, too. Super frustrating season. Hope everyone comes back and gets a little better.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-21-2021, 06:49 PM

WVU becomes my first E8 pick to fall

sterlingice · 03-21-2021, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Story of the season for WVU: just good enough to lose close games to good teams. I generally like Syracuse and wish them good luck, but another full week of hearing about Buddy Boeheim is going to be rough.

We lost 10 games and I think Syracuse is the only team seeded higher than 8th. Lost at Kansas by 14 early in the season and every other loss was by 5 or less. I think every team is still alive, except Texas, too. Super frustrating season. Hope everyone comes back and gets a little better.

Really rough luck with Tshibwe this season, too. I know he was a handful last season.

SI

Galaril · 03-21-2021, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Everyone has a price.

Illinois got shafted. Loyola has no business being an 8 seed.

ISiddiqui · 03-21-2021, 07:16 PM

I know it may not last (our luck has been great so far) but Rutgers us really playing some great defense against Houston. And hitting FTs!!!

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sterlingice · 03-21-2021, 07:18 PM

Tech-Arkansas should have been a second weekend game

SI

Swaggs · 03-21-2021, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Really rough luck with Tshibwe this season, too. I know he was a handful last season.

SI

Yeah. He seems like a good kid and a freak athlete.

Apparently, his “handlers” didn’t like him playing with another big like Culver. Hopefully he does not get lost in the crowd at Kentucky. With all due respect to WVU, I’m guessing there is a lot more 4- and 5-star talent there.

Swaggs · 03-21-2021, 08:02 PM

I wonder what Boeheim’s career record is vs Rutgers. He was Syracuse’s coach the entire time Rutgers was in the Big East. Will be an interesting matchup if they can hold on.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-21-2021, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I wonder what Boeheim’s career record is vs Rutgers. He was Syracuse’s coach the entire time Rutgers was in the Big East. Will be an interesting matchup if they can hold on.

That took more digging that I expected.

Based on this page from SU, through 12/8/20, he should be 25-6 against them (not counting any forfeits, games he might have missed with suspension/illness/etc).

The Rutgers win in Dec 2020 snapped a 12 game Cuse winning streak that dated back to 2003

tarcone · 03-21-2021, 08:24 PM

Doesnt matter. Rutgers playing not to lose and they lost.

ISiddiqui · 03-21-2021, 08:31 PM

I am not pleased

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molson · 03-21-2021, 08:45 PM

My basketball pet peeves:

1. When a player gets an offensive rebound and seems to think shot clock didn't reset and he has to rush up a terrible spot. Especially when the team has a lead in the final minutes.

2. Someone yelling "and one!" anytime a player drives to the hoop, even when they're not fouled AND don't make the shot.

3. When a fallen player stays down for an extra second or two and the announcers react like he's definitely dead forever. (And then he gets up two second later and is fine).

Edit:

4. When a double-digit seed takes their foot off the gas in the last minutes and tries to cruise against a favored team.

Galaril · 03-21-2021, 09:46 PM

Woohoo Phi Slama Jama (sort of) reborn. Glad UH pulled it out as a 38 year fan. They really were not aggressive enough at the 3 point line as they needed to be but they pulled it out a W in a game they frankly should win. Cause is another super tough game but with Ohio St, WVU and Illinois losing they do have at least a path that they could now make being the highest seed remaining’ in the Midwest all of sudden. It is pretty shocking with them a 11, 8 and either 12 or 4 seed left.

Young Drachma · 03-22-2021, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Doesnt matter. Rutgers playing not to lose and they lost.

I didn't mind them running down the clock like that, it seemed like a good strategy, it just seemed nobody had the confidence to take a shot and it cost them. They still could've held on, but it seemed they kept making bad decisions down the stretch when it was still in reach. A bummer, because it was theirs for the taking. Can Pikell recruit any Jersey kids? Will this team be back?

jbergey22 · 03-22-2021, 01:31 AM

So much for the theory that the large fan support at these tourny's create these upset opportunities.

Edward64 · 03-22-2021, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

Tech-Arkansas should have been a second weekend game

SI

Sweet 16 in about 25 years ... finally.

sterlingice · 03-22-2021, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

So much for the theory that the large fan support at these tourny's create these upset opportunities.

I don't remember who was talking about it on CBS or Westwood One (Gottlieb maybe?) but they were pointing out how this is as close to a true neutral court tournament as we're going to see. There's no Duke in Greensboro and Raleigh for the first two weekends, for instance.

SI

MizzouRah · 03-22-2021, 08:45 AM

How good is Ethan Thompson from Oregon St? Watching that game last night, I know the hype is for Cunningham but Thompson was the best player on the floor imho.

Brian Swartz · 03-22-2021, 09:33 AM

I wouldn't draw any great long-term implications from this year's tournament. With all of the interruptions, even though it was managed better than I expected it to be, a number of teams are all over the map in terms of maintaining continuity and so on. There's always obstacles in any competitive endeavor, but it was never going to be a typical year.

Swaggs · 03-22-2021, 10:43 AM

I think this was maybe mentioned previously in this thread (or I read it a few weeks ago somewhere else), but next season could be one of the most competitive and fun seasons we have seen when you consider that all of these mid-majors and other non-NBA farm teams can potentially return their entire teams. The Dukes/Kentuckys/UNCs are all going to continue churning out their one and done players, while teams like Loyola-Chicago and Oral Roberts will have some 22-23-year old men playing together for the fifth season. If transfers don't make a ton of these mid-major guys go elsewhere, the quality of basketball should be really high next year.

sovereignstar v2 · 03-22-2021, 12:00 PM

My Big Ten not looking great in postseason

MrBug708 · 03-22-2021, 12:26 PM

Glad to see Iowa spent zero seconds reading the Oregon scouting report

Ksyrup · 03-22-2021, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

I don't remember who was talking about it on CBS or Westwood One (Gottlieb maybe?) but they were pointing out how this is as close to a true neutral court tournament as we're going to see. There's no Duke in Greensboro and Raleigh for the first two weekends, for instance.

SI

Speaking of which - I did a fair amount of driving this weekend (up and back to Detroit), so I listened to a bunch of Westwood One's coverage on SXM. Not counting his parents, is there anyone who actually likes Doug Gottlieb? He's like a less outwardly macho but even more annoying version of Jim Rome. I can't stand listening to his condescending/smarmy "I'm really smart and funny" schtick.

Ksyrup · 03-22-2021, 12:46 PM

Watching the Big 10 this week reminds me of watching Big 10 football about 10 years ago when everyone looked faster and better than them.

Jas_lov · 03-22-2021, 12:46 PM

Iowa is going to give up 120. Play some defense.

jbergey22 · 03-22-2021, 01:11 PM

Safe to say the Pac-12 was vastly underrated this year and the B1G was vastly overrated.

jbergey22 · 03-22-2021, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Watching the Big 10 this week reminds me of watching Big 10 football about 10 years ago when everyone looked faster and better than them.

Haha! True

And more so than any of them watching Oregon make Iowa look like a small conference school. How many dunks did Oregon have?

miami_fan · 03-22-2021, 01:34 PM

All this success just by announcing that Larry Scott would no longer be the commissioner of the Pac-12?

Galaril · 03-22-2021, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Safe to say the Pac-12 was vastly underrated this year and the B1G was vastly overrated.

Yes and would not be shocked if the last B1O team left Michigan gets beat by LSU.

sovereignstar v2 · 03-22-2021, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Yes and would not be shocked if the last B1O team left Michigan gets beat by LSU.

You are forgetting a team...

Brian Swartz · 03-22-2021, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Iowa is going to give up 120. Play some defense.

That's not been their style in general, they are about outscoring the opponent. Which works often, but it's better to play both ends when you can.

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Yes and would not be shocked if the last B1O team left Michigan gets beat by LSU.

Me neither, though I think they win this one and all bets are off next weekend. But also as noted, Maryland is still around. For at least a few more hours.

rjolley · 03-22-2021, 03:49 PM

Iowa is impressive especially Garza. They met a team that did what they do better today in Oregon. Iowa couldn't get stops and let Oregon get anywhere they wanted most of the game.

Gonzaga was impressive today as well. The ways they can beat you...outside, inside, defense...it'll be interesting to see who's able to contain them and how they're able to do it. Baylor, with the 3 guards and the athleticism they have, looks to be the best bet to take them out.

tarcone · 03-22-2021, 04:01 PM

Iowa had done to them what those teams do. Oregon was faster and quicker. Altman looked at the B1G and saw how to defend Iowa, Let Garza get his and guard the 3 point line with your faster, quicker guys.

Bad match up at that point for Iowa.

rjolley · 03-22-2021, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Iowa had done to them what those teams do. Oregon was faster and quicker. Altman looked at the B1G and saw how to defend Iowa, Let Garza get his and guard the 3 point line with your faster, quicker guys.

Bad match up at that point for Iowa.

And all credit goes to Oregon. They were able to execute the plan and make the right play consistently throughout the game. They could be trouble for a lot of teams.

sovereignstar v2 · 03-22-2021, 04:59 PM

The Gophers hire Xavier assist Ben Johnson. Not sexy at all and his resume is very underwhelming. I'm guessing his ticket was his ties to the local AAU scene. While winning is the only way you will get someone like Jalen Suggs, you could build a very good team with the 4 stars that leave Minnesota.

Galaril · 03-22-2021, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar v2

You are forgetting a team...

Yes Maryland and I did not forget them:-) I expected Bama to bot race them but the way this year has gone who knows.

03-20-2021, 06:47 PM	#302
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	For those watching the Mizzou vs Okla. game, Billy Tubbs gets ejected and suspended for that announcement in 2021, right? FTR, he did get a technical. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

03-20-2021, 11:25 PM	#304
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I believe this means every seed except for #16 won a game this first round SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

03-21-2021, 01:08 PM	#306
JPhillips General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Bad weekend for the Big Ten. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

03-21-2021, 01:15 PM	#307
JPhillips General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	dola Illinois has no plan for whether or not they should foul. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

03-21-2021, 02:01 PM	#308
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Illinois sure didn't look like a #1 seed there... __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

03-20-2021, 06:15 PM	#301
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	You knew it would happen but I feel terrible for those kids.

03-20-2021, 11:31 PM	#305
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Shaka still yet to win a tourney game at Texas. He's lost to Northern Iowa on a half court shot, lost to Nevada in OT, and lost to Abilene Christian on free throws with 1.2 left.

03-21-2021, 02:02 PM	#309
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I wonder how long Porter Moser stays put. He should have all kinds of options. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

03-21-2021, 02:09 PM	#310
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Bracket DEAD.

03-21-2021, 02:59 PM	#311
Brian Swartz Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2006	Feels like Cameron Krutwig has been at Illinois-Chicago for like a decade. It was forever ago that Ill-Chicago almost made the championship game.

03-21-2021, 06:39 PM	#315
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Story of the season for WVU: just good enough to lose close games to good teams. I generally like Syracuse and wish them good luck, but another full week of hearing about Buddy Boeheim is going to be rough. We lost 10 games and I think Syracuse is the only team seeded higher than 8th. Lost at Kansas by 14 early in the season and every other loss was by 5 or less. I think every team is still alive, except Texas, too. Super frustrating season. Hope everyone comes back and gets a little better. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

03-21-2021, 06:49 PM	#316
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	WVU becomes my first E8 pick to fall __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-21-2021, 07:16 PM	#319
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	I know it may not last (our luck has been great so far) but Rutgers us really playing some great defense against Houston. And hitting FTs!!! Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

03-21-2021, 07:18 PM	#320
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Tech-Arkansas should have been a second weekend game SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

03-21-2021, 08:02 PM	#322
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I wonder what Boeheim’s career record is vs Rutgers. He was Syracuse’s coach the entire time Rutgers was in the Big East. Will be an interesting matchup if they can hold on. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

03-21-2021, 08:24 PM	#324
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03-21-2021, 08:31 PM	#325
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	I am not pleased Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

03-21-2021, 08:45 PM	#326
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	My basketball pet peeves: 1. When a player gets an offensive rebound and seems to think shot clock didn't reset and he has to rush up a terrible spot. Especially when the team has a lead in the final minutes. 2. Someone yelling "and one!" anytime a player drives to the hoop, even when they're not fouled AND don't make the shot. 3. When a fallen player stays down for an extra second or two and the announcers react like he's definitely dead forever. (And then he gets up two second later and is fine). Edit: 4. When a double-digit seed takes their foot off the gas in the last minutes and tries to cruise against a favored team. Last edited by molson : 03-21-2021 at 09:05 PM.

03-21-2021, 09:46 PM	#327
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	Woohoo Phi Slama Jama (sort of) reborn. Glad UH pulled it out as a 38 year fan. They really were not aggressive enough at the 3 point line as they needed to be but they pulled it out a W in a game they frankly should win. Cause is another super tough game but with Ohio St, WVU and Illinois losing they do have at least a path that they could now make being the highest seed remaining’ in the Midwest all of sudden. It is pretty shocking with them a 11, 8 and either 12 or 4 seed left.

03-22-2021, 01:31 AM	#329
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	So much for the theory that the large fan support at these tourny's create these upset opportunities.

03-22-2021, 08:45 AM	#332
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	How good is Ethan Thompson from Oregon St? Watching that game last night, I know the hype is for Cunningham but Thompson was the best player on the floor imho.

03-22-2021, 09:33 AM	#333
Brian Swartz Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2006	I wouldn't draw any great long-term implications from this year's tournament. With all of the interruptions, even though it was managed better than I expected it to be, a number of teams are all over the map in terms of maintaining continuity and so on. There's always obstacles in any competitive endeavor, but it was never going to be a typical year.

03-22-2021, 10:43 AM	#334
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I think this was maybe mentioned previously in this thread (or I read it a few weeks ago somewhere else), but next season could be one of the most competitive and fun seasons we have seen when you consider that all of these mid-majors and other non-NBA farm teams can potentially return their entire teams. The Dukes/Kentuckys/UNCs are all going to continue churning out their one and done players, while teams like Loyola-Chicago and Oral Roberts will have some 22-23-year old men playing together for the fifth season. If transfers don't make a ton of these mid-major guys go elsewhere, the quality of basketball should be really high next year. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

03-22-2021, 12:00 PM	#335
sovereignstar v2 hates iowa Join Date: Oct 2010	My Big Ten not looking great in postseason

03-22-2021, 12:26 PM	#336
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Glad to see Iowa spent zero seconds reading the Oregon scouting report

03-22-2021, 12:46 PM	#338
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03-22-2021, 12:46 PM	#339
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Iowa is going to give up 120. Play some defense.

03-22-2021, 01:11 PM	#340
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Safe to say the Pac-12 was vastly underrated this year and the B1G was vastly overrated.

03-22-2021, 01:34 PM	#342
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	All this success just by announcing that Larry Scott would no longer be the commissioner of the Pac-12? __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

03-22-2021, 03:49 PM	#346
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	Iowa is impressive especially Garza. They met a team that did what they do better today in Oregon. Iowa couldn't get stops and let Oregon get anywhere they wanted most of the game. Gonzaga was impressive today as well. The ways they can beat you...outside, inside, defense...it'll be interesting to see who's able to contain them and how they're able to do it. Baylor, with the 3 guards and the athleticism they have, looks to be the best bet to take them out. Last edited by rjolley : 03-22-2021 at 03:50 PM.

03-22-2021, 04:01 PM	#347
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Iowa had done to them what those teams do. Oregon was faster and quicker. Altman looked at the B1G and saw how to defend Iowa, Let Garza get his and guard the 3 point line with your faster, quicker guys. Bad match up at that point for Iowa. __________________ Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15

03-22-2021, 04:59 PM	#349
sovereignstar v2 hates iowa Join Date: Oct 2010	The Gophers hire Xavier assist Ben Johnson. Not sexy at all and his resume is very underwhelming. I'm guessing his ticket was his ties to the local AAU scene. While winning is the only way you will get someone like Jalen Suggs, you could build a very good team with the 4 stars that leave Minnesota.

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