2017 College Football Season thread

[CrescentMoonie]

Feel bad for Wake. They beat FSU up and down the field for 24 minutes and a couple of bad special teams plays have them down 13-12 at the half.

[CrescentMoonie]

Iowa QB with a highlight reel turnover.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Hopefully this has turned out to be thorough enough that it's the last game for Bitch Jones.

[Atocep]

I think Josh Allen is a lock for this year's Logan Thomas award for the most overhyped quarterback by Kiper.

[CrescentMoonie]

How is LSU ranked? Other than SEC bias, what possible reason is there?

[cuervo72]

Seeing too much Hokies on my feed, might have to root for Clemson.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Seeing too much Hokies on my feed, might have to root for Clemson.

No need. They've got a ways to go to shed the Chokies moniker.

[bronconick]

The only upside in Tallahassee is that when they finish 6-5 or so is that Jimbo will actually be forced to replace Trickett and Kelly

[MrBug708]

Bryce Love is pretty good..

[tarcone]

I was giving Brian Ferentz the benefit of the doubt about his play calling. But, man, he isnt very good at it. Our offense just sucks. And we have some talent. Anyone of us could game plan against our run game. All season we have sen 8 or 9 in the box and we run the same plays over and over. Its just dumb.
We will be lucky to win 6. And we have talent at the skill positions.

The only for sure win on this schedule is Illinois next week.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Bryce Love is pretty good..

His lack of size is going to scare people off during the draft process, but he seems like a guy who could be a great 3rd down/change of pace guy getting 12-15 touches a game as a pro.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by tarcone

I was giving Brian Ferentz the benefit of the doubt about his play calling. But, man, he isnt very good at it. Our offense just sucks. And we have some talent. Anyone of us could game plan against our run game. All season we have sen 8 or 9 in the box and we run the same plays over and over. Its just dumb.
We will be lucky to win 6. And we have talent at the skill positions.

The only for sure win on this schedule is Illinois next week.

From beating Penn St in the B1G Championship to winning 6 games? Things really changed in the past week.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

From beating Penn St in the B1G Championship to winning 6 games? Things really changed in the past week.

Just my optimism.

I was really giving Ferentz more credit than he deserves. This is the same ol' crap. KF is going to laugh all the way to the bank. So tired of that name. 20 years is plenty.

Yes. In my perception things have changed that much.

Did you watch any of that game today? Stupid play calling. You could game plan against Iowa's offense and be really successful. It is that easy. There is nothing that Iowa does that they havent done in the past 20 years.

We may win 4 this year.

[tgray649]

Someone explain to me how Ed Ogeron got the LSU job?

[Butter]

Because he is from there?

[tgray649]

Then LSU deserves it's fate...they have too much talent to lose to Troy at home.

[JonInMiddleGA]

UT Football: It'd cost us $9m to fire Butch, gotta be the worst buyout around

LSU Football: Hold my beer

[tgray649]

Not that I have a problem with LSU losing, been overrated for a while, no reason they should be ranked before this game.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

UT Football: It'd cost us $9m to fire Butch, gotta be the worst buyout around

LSU Football: Hold my beer

HA! Check Kirk Ferentz's buyout.

75% of remaining contract. Each year until 2020, if he wins 7 games, the next year on the new extension is 100% guaranteed.

Its probably a $35 million buyout right now.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by tarcone

the next year on the new extension is 100% guaranteed.

Ah, one of those "GT Specials" as a contract.

Those have gotta be the most idiotic contracts in all of sports.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by tgray649

Not that I have a problem with LSU losing, been overrated for a while, no reason they should be ranked before this game.

I left 'em at #25 ... saw nobody to rank ahead of them. And I say that as an unabashed LSU hater. Both sportswriters and coaches had the same problem.

The next six options in the AP poll were : NC State 87, Duke 79, Texas Tech 40, Florida State 35, Memphis 26, Iowa 16,

The next six for the coaches (who had them #22)
23 West Virginia, 24 Mississippi State, 25 Florida State
Others receiving votes: Notre Dame 100, Duke 93, NC State 54, Memphis 44, Kansas State 27, Wake Forest 15,


Ain't none of those options exactly worldbeaters either.
Such is the sorry state of college football these days.

[tgray649]

The next six for the coaches (who had them #22)
23 West Virginia, 24 Mississippi State, 25 Florida State
Others receiving votes: Notre Dame 100, Duke 93, NC State 54, Memphis 44, Kansas State 27, Wake Forest 15,

On a neutral field who wins between Notre Dame-LSU?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by tgray649

On a neutral field who wins between Notre Dame-LSU?

Those who don't like good college football?

Honestly? That's a match between who knows & who cares at this point. Neither is good enough to have any real meaning aside from their own fanbases at this point.

And that's the problem I referred to earlier: it's downright silly to rank 25 at this point, none of them are all that good once you get past a certain point.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by tgray649

On a neutral field who wins between Notre Dame-LSU?

Notre Dame by 7-10.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by tgray649

On a neutral field who wins between Notre Dame-LSU?

Notre Dame by 30.

[tgray649]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Those who don't like good college football?

Honestly? That's a match between who knows & who cares at this point. Neither is good enough to have any real meaning aside from their own fanbases at this point.

And that's the problem I referred to earlier: it's downright silly to rank 25 at this point, none of them are all that good once you get past a certain point.

That made me laugh, I agree with you, I think ranking needs to go back to top 20....But in all honesty right now I think it is Alabama, Clemson and everyone else.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by tgray649

That made me laugh, I agree with you, I think ranking needs to go back to top 20....But in all honesty right now I think it is Alabama, Clemson and everyone else.

Washington and Auburn might be in that mix as well.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

Washington and Auburn might be in that mix as well.

Don't get carried away on Auburn. They're two weeks removed from struggling mightily against Mercer.

Even if they keep winning, no answers will be available until mid-November when they either knock UGA down or get exposed themselves.

[tarcone]

Texas Tech/Okie St. is a fun one to watch.

Do not sleep on PsU. Barkley is heads above any other player in the land this year. They will give Alabama and Clemson fits. Beat them? Doubtful. But scare them, yes.

[JPhillips]

I'm betting the lose one of MI or OSU. They have a very weak schedule with the weakest part at the beginning. I doubt they make it to the B1G title game.

And until they come to terms with the child molestation stuff, I hope they lose every game.

[tgray649]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

Washington and Auburn might be in that mix as well.

OU is better than both of those teams, not in the same league as Alabama or Clemson.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by tgray649

OU is better than both of those teams, not in the same league as Alabama or Clemson.

I'm not sure that OU is better than TCU. Washington with that defense and the way Browning is playing can beat anyone.

[tgray649]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

I'm not sure that OU is better than TCU. Washington with that defense and the way Browning is playing can beat anyone.

We will find out Nov 11, I have watched both of them play, I think OU is better than TCU.

[jbergey22]

At this very moment and what they have accomplished you probably put 1. Clemson 2. Alabama 3. Oklahoma 4. Georgia



Wayyyyyyy to early to try and judge Penn St or Washington and who they have beat.

[tgray649]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

At this very moment and what they have accomplished you probably put 1. Clemson 2. Alabama 3. Oklahoma 4. Georgia



Wayyyyyyy to early to try and judge Penn St or Washington and who they have beat.

I would agree with that assessment.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

At this very moment and what they have accomplished you probably put 1. Clemson 2. Alabama 3. Oklahoma 4. Georgia



Wayyyyyyy to early to try and judge Penn St or Washington and who they have beat.

Who has Georgia beat? Notre Dame is okay, but other than that their two highest profile wins are two terrible SEC teams that were overhyped because they're SEC teams.

Colorado is better than anyone Georgia has played.

[Butter]

Penn State is better than Georgia. By a good bit.

[JonInMiddleGA]

In the two SEC games of personal interest today, an aggregate 110-3 loss.

GT's win in the early game was hampered by a tough loss for the DIII team I follow (the one with kids I know).

Thank God for good HS football outcomes on Friday night at least.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

Colorado is better than anyone Georgia has played.

Colorado will end the season in the 45-65 range F/+ while both Notre Dame and Miss St will end up in the top 30. Not even really a debate at this point as Colorado hasnt shown any of the promise they had for awhile last season. Unless you are basing your projections on last season??? Colorado lost numerous players from last years surprise team.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Butter

Penn State is better than Georgia. By a good bit.

Perhaps, but the evidence is lacking right now. Winning in the final seconds to an Iowa team that has looked pretty average hasnt done them any favors in my eyes.

I may be overrating Notre Dame right now so the Notre Dame win may not look as good later in the season.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Colorado will end the season in the 45-65 range F/+ while both Notre Dame and Miss St will end up in the top 30. Not even really a debate at this point as Colorado hasnt shown any of the promise they had for awhile last season. Unless you are basing your projections on last season??? Colorado lost numerous players from last years surprise team.

I dunno about that for State. They looked like a shell of themselves (or their perceived potential anyway) today, how much did the complete & total failure in Athens take out of them?

I suspect they can shake some of that off next week but they could easily enough lose another two games, if not as many as three. If so, this is not a top 30 team by any means. Even if they only lose three in the regular season, their best win would be ... LSU? (c'mon) Arkansas? A&M?

Unless they upset Bama (uh huh, yeah) then they're a team that has to be judged by the manner of their losses.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Colorado will end the season in the 45-65 range F/+ while both Notre Dame and Miss St will end up in the top 30. Not even really a debate at this point as Colorado hasnt shown any of the promise they had for awhile last season. Unless you are basing your projections on last season??? Colorado lost numerous players from last years surprise team.

Mississippi State might not make it to 6-6 despite already having 3 wins and having BYU, UMass, and Ole Miss left on their cupcake schedule. They're awful.

Notre Dame will beat UNC, but could lose out after that. The back end of their schedule is much tougher and they lost to the only decent team they've played so far.

Colorado is going to end up in the 7-8 win range and their toughest remaining opponents are Wazzou and USC that are both beatable.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Perhaps, but the evidence is lacking right now. Winning in the final seconds to an Iowa team that has looked pretty average hasnt done them any favors in my eyes.

I may be overrating Notre Dame right now so the Notre Dame win may not look as good later in the season.

Iowa's defense is not average. And put them in a phone booth with anyone and they have a punchers chance.
Add to that it was a night game at Kinnick. Any team would have fits.

PsU is good. Real good.

Which I hate to say.

[tarcone]

My top 4 are:
1. Clemson
2. Alabama
3. PsU
4. Oklahoma

Tired of the SEC bias. We are smart people here. Can we stop. Georgia plays strong in the beginning but they always fade and disappoint. That is what they do best. And Auburn will lose by 24 to Alabama.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

PFF College Football ✔@PFF_College
Pressure played a big role in this QB matchup last night.

Under pressure:
Falk: 4-of-9, 1 TD, 58 yds
Darnold: 2-of-9, 1 INT, 24 yds

The Apple cup is going to be like the 2008 apple.cup

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

I'm sure they're good enough at defining "under pressure" but it would make more sense for their competitors to be the ones to promote PFF's "conference players of the week by position" teams.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by CrescentMoonie

Mississippi State might not make it to 6-6 despite already having 3 wins and having BYU, UMass, and Ole Miss left on their cupcake schedule. They're awful.

Notre Dame will beat UNC, but could lose out after that. The back end of their schedule is much tougher and they lost to the only decent team they've played so far.

Colorado is going to end up in the 7-8 win range and their toughest remaining opponents are Wazzou and USC that are both beatable.

This is EXACTLY why you should figure out what F/+ and S&P+ are. It takes strength of schedule into the equation. Which is what we are actually after if we are trying to judge teams.

You seem to buy into sabermetrics for baseball and NBA so Id have a hard time believing you want to choose to ignore it for college football.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by tarcone

My top 4 are:
1. Clemson
2. Alabama
3. PsU
4. Oklahoma

Tired of the SEC bias. We are smart people here. Can we stop. Georgia plays strong in the beginning but they always fade and disappoint. That is what they do best. And Auburn will lose by 24 to Alabama.

Georgia has a top 5 defense and great running backs. They dont necessarily fade but run into top level competition where 2 losses will break your season. They dont get the cupcake games.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Georgia has a top 5 defense and great running backs. They dont necessarily fade but run into top level competition where 2 losses will break your season. They dont get the cupcake games.

Or they are over rated and not very good and run into better teams.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Or they are over rated and not very good and run into better teams.

Well their combined F/+ rankings over the past years have been
2005 (7)
2006 (26)
2007 (10)
2008 (19)
2009 (33)
2010 (33)
2011 (13)
2012 (7)
2013 (22)
2014 (4)
2015 (30)

So yeah probably most years a bit overrated.

In comparison Iowa final F/+ rankings
2005 (19)
2006 (47)
2007 (66)
2008 (13)
2009 (10)
2010 (18)
2011 (47)
2012 (65)
2013 (29)
2014 (63)
2015 (38)

While being overrated most years Georgia has still been a lot better most years than an upper mid level B1G team. Despite how you feel you just cant ignore the level of competition in the SEC.

[CrescentMoonie]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

This is EXACTLY why you should figure out what F/+ and S&P+ are. It takes strength of schedule into the equation. Which is what we are actually after if we are trying to judge teams.

You seem to buy into sabermetrics for baseball and NBA so Id have a hard time believing you want to choose to ignore it for college football.

NBA/baseball has everyone play each other. College football SOS is mostly BS especially this early in the year. I'm guessing most SOS measures claim the SEC is good again this year when it's abundantly clear that It's a 1-3 team conference with nothing beyond that.