WW CXXXIX - The Red Death II - GAME OVER, SERVANTS WIN - Page 26

MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I'd like to at the very least hear from bug, who left his vote on mckerney. Possible he wasn't able to check into the thread and/or saw the ridiculous amount of pages to catch up on.

VOTE BUG

This hurts me. I thought we were friends of the light

Wasn't around a little bit past 6 to monitor the switching/role reveals

The Jackal · 10-05-2011, 08:48 AM

Thought we were friends because I scanned you last game?

My vote isn't set on you Bug, but CF seems to have a feeling and it's good to make some people who wouldn't normally post much have to say some things/get involved.

MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 08:50 AM

You scanned me?

The Jackal · 10-05-2011, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

You scanned me?

In the evil dead game? Yeah.

Thomkal · 10-05-2011, 08:53 AM

unvote mauboy

MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

In the evil dead game? Yeah.

I totally misread that...haha

MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

okay jackal, i will do that...

vote MrBug

I keep looking back for a Jackal post and don't see what you are talking about?

MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 09:02 AM

I'll tell you what Jackal, since you scanned me last game, we can pretend you were scanned this game. Since I was good, I'll assume you are good in this game.

Deal?

MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Thought we were friends because I scanned you last game?

My vote isn't set on you Bug, but CF seems to have a feeling and it's good to make some people who wouldn't normally post much have to say some things/get involved.

The Jackal · 10-05-2011, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I'll tell you what Jackal, since you scanned me last game, we can pretend you were scanned this game. Since I was good, I'll assume you are good in this game.

Deal?

Love the logic.

The Jackal · 10-05-2011, 09:06 AM

You should look for CF's posts, he's probably the person you need to be convincing.

MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 09:06 AM

I can't tell if you are serious or being Crimson Fox

MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

You should look for CF's posts, he's probably the person you need to be convincing.

I've noticed that he usually convinces himself based on a hunch. I'm not sure I could do that effectively. And I'd rather not try and convince him

Autumn · 10-05-2011, 09:27 AM

Seems to me that Jackal and J23 still deserve some possible votes as people who were right in the thick of things, but not lynched.

Also, that list I was going by yesterday, of people who voted elsewhere than NTN after Bhlloy's reveal, is growing shorter:

CF, Lathum, Mckerney, J23

CF's not getting a pass from me, but combine the two and I think I'm going after J23 for now.

vote J23

J23 · 10-05-2011, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Seems to me that Jackal and J23 still deserve some possible votes as people who were right in the thick of things, but not lynched.

Also, that list I was going by yesterday, of people who voted elsewhere than NTN after Bhlloy's reveal, is growing shorter:

CF, Lathum, Mckerney, J23

CF's not getting a pass from me, but combine the two and I think I'm going after J23 for now.

vote J23

I don't understand why you think the group you've selected has a higher chance of being a wolf than those that left their votes on people not in the running, or those who left their vote NOT on ntn the first day. I mean, I understand you wanting to find a way to justify how you're voting, but the reasoning seems exceedingly weak to me.

SnDvls · 10-05-2011, 09:54 AM

VOTE EAGLEFAN

I know nothing on him/about him and have nothing strong on him either way just a vote

Narcizo · 10-05-2011, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Narcizo

So we've got Zinto, Bug, Thomkal, Chief, EagleFan and SnDvls I'm thinking of looking at today.

Pulling Chief from the list because he's not been well and it seems a bit harsh to pile onto him under those circumstances then you could pretty much stick a pin at random into any of these and have a shot at getting a wolf. Luckily I don't think any of them have posted much so it shouldn't be too hard to make a decision out of them. But, really, I'm happy to vote any of them at this stage, based on the way voting goes.

SnDvls · 10-05-2011, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

Yes and the ongoing debate tomorrow would just add some cover to the wolves.

Im guessing since there was a minister in the game, there is probably a vampire too.

the item I have leaves me to believe there is a vampire in the game or it's just a useless item then

dubb93 · 10-05-2011, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

We can only hope this hasn't happened. I'm still curious, not sure if anyone answered, do we remember if it was possible to convert and kill on the same night? I know in most games with a conversion, usually you knew something was up when there was no NK. But with this many players I suppose it's possible they could both happen.

IDK, but it is entirely possible that the seer was corrupted N1 just doing his scan. No wolf action needed.

Autumn · 10-05-2011, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by J23

I don't understand why you think the group you've selected has a higher chance of being a wolf than those that left their votes on people not in the running, or those who left their vote NOT on ntn the first day. I mean, I understand you wanting to find a way to justify how you're voting, but the reasoning seems exceedingly weak to me.

Those who left their vote elsewhere are another good group to look at, sure. Though I think someone did and said they were all people who aren't around at night. But I agree, that's another place for a wolf to be.

There's what 20 people in the game now? Yes, I have to somehow come up with something to limit my voting pool or else I'd never be able to pick someone. If someone else's reasoning sounds better to me I'd gladly switch. But I think the point where there's a reveal and, and there's a wolf in the voting mix, is a *very* strong place to look for wolf moves, much more so than any other time during that day.

Narcizo · 10-05-2011, 10:16 AM

Reading through their posts I get decentish vibes from SnDvls and Zinto. Leaves Eagle, Bug and Thomkal. Wouldn't mind a run off of these guys. If the draft thingy is over I'd like to see a bit more from Eagle.

Vote EagleFan

See if he has anything to say for himself today.

J23 · 10-05-2011, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Those who left their vote elsewhere are another good group to look at, sure. Though I think someone did and said they were all people who aren't around at night. But I agree, that's another place for a wolf to be.

There's what 20 people in the game now? Yes, I have to somehow come up with something to limit my voting pool or else I'd never be able to pick someone. If someone else's reasoning sounds better to me I'd gladly switch. But I think the point where there's a reveal and, and there's a wolf in the voting mix, is a *very* strong place to look for wolf moves, much more so than any other time during that day.

I think when there's a reveal, everyone is going to move off that candidate. The fact that a wolf was one of the other options to move to should make you examine those movements, but having a wolf in the mix doesn't make those moving off of the revealed player more likely to be a wolf since it's just dumb luck as far as who was on the revealed player already(I will concede that out of this group, those that moved onto ntn would look better however, unless they play like dubb where they try to actively kill their wolf friends). If you wanted to use your reasoning, I would think you'd look at players that moved from the non-revealed players to people other than Ntn after the reveal shook up the lynch voting.

dubb93 · 10-05-2011, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Those who left their vote elsewhere are another good group to look at, sure. Though I think someone did and said they were all people who aren't around at night. But I agree, that's another place for a wolf to be.

Wasn't that person Hoops? No way that could be a convert steering people away from a wolf. Right? Right?

dubb93 · 10-05-2011, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by J23

I think when there's a reveal, everyone is going to move off that candidate. The fact that a wolf was one of the other options to move to should make you examine those movements, but having a wolf in the mix doesn't make those moving off of the revealed player more likely to be a wolf since it's just dumb luck as far as who was on the revealed player already(I will concede that out of this group, those that moved onto ntn would look better however, unless they play like dubb where they try to actively kill their wolf friends). If you wanted to use your reasoning, I would think you'd look at players that moved from the non-revealed players to people other than Ntn after the reveal shook up the lynch voting.

Friend is such a strong word.

dubb93 · 10-05-2011, 10:24 AM

I mean, you make it seem like I stab these people in the back. I merely stab them in the face. Big difference.

Autumn · 10-05-2011, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by J23

I think when there's a reveal, everyone is going to move off that candidate. The fact that a wolf was one of the other options to move to should make you examine those movements, but having a wolf in the mix doesn't make those moving off of the revealed player more likely to be a wolf since it's just dumb luck as far as who was on the revealed player already(I will concede that out of this group, those that moved onto ntn would look better however, unless they play like dubb where they try to actively kill their wolf friends). If you wanted to use your reasoning, I would think you'd look at players that moved from the non-revealed players to people other than Ntn after the reveal shook up the lynch voting.

I'm not saying people who moved off the reveal are wolves. I'm saying that if a wolf moves, after a reveal, they're going to try to encourage a different candidate other than a wolf. Since we know one of the options was a wolf, people who went elsewhere, especially if somebody goes to a candidate who seems a less good candidate than NTN, might be wolves.

I mean you can harp on my reasoning, but here's the votes, you can do your own analysis and tell me who you think makes a better candidate.

((bhlloy reveals))
bhlloy unvotes dubb 275
bhlloy votes mauboy 275
jackal unvotes bhlloy 281
jackal votes mauboy 283
ef unvotes danny 287
ef votes mauboy 287
jackal unvotes mauboy 296
jackal votes J23 296
danny votes ntn 297
CF unvotes mauboy 306
CF votes J23 306
Lahtum unvotes danny 310
lathum votes J23 310
commo unvotes bhlloy 318
mckerney unvotes bhlloy 329
mckerney votes mauboy 329
commo votes ntn 334
J23 unvotes bhlloy 352
J23 votes mauboy 354
bhlloy unvotes mauboy 357
bhlloy votes ntn 357
mauboy unvotes dubb 361
mauboy votes ntn 361
j23 unvotes mauboy 364
j23 votes ntn 364
dzilla unvotes ntn 377
dubb unvotes bhlloy 386
RA votes ntn 390
CF unvotes J23 393
CF votes ntn 393
dubb votes J23 400
autumn unvotes J23
autumn votes ntn

Autumn · 10-05-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dubb93

Wasn't that person Hoops? No way that could be a convert steering people away from a wolf. Right? Right?

Well I'm not sure I'm going to vote for someone for not moving their vote, when they weren't here. Yes, of course they could be a wolf, but the fact that they didn't move their vote when not here isn't at all evidence of that. It's just taking a blind shot.

I'm not even sure that that's true about people who didn't move their votes. It's not something I've looked at.

mckerney · 10-05-2011, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I'm still curious, not sure if anyone answered, do we remember if it was possible to convert and kill on the same night?

We obviously don't know for sure, but I think with there being servants who can't communicate with each other there's a good chance the groups would each be able to do a night action.

ntndeacon · 10-05-2011, 11:08 AM

Good Luck on the job Eagle!

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Jeez, I have this many posts to read through?

Anyone have a summary?

Sorry, was tied up all evening with the first 10 rounds of the ELB draft (thanks to the other WW players who are involved as well). Have more league stuff to do before getting to bed tonight.

I really should have opted out with my schedule tied up with the league and work (keep your fingers crossed, I had put in for what I believe to be a more stable job in a different division of our company a while back and never heard anything back so I assumed it was dead. today I received a request from the person that I interviewed with to meet tomorrow. with the threats of layoffs in our division this could be great timing.).

hoopsguy · 10-05-2011, 11:20 AM

I was the person who looked at all the "single votes" from Day 1 and concluded, based on lack of posts near the deadline, that they were not around to move them that day.

This doesn't mean they aren't wolves, just that I wasn't going to use the "wasted vote" logic to target them last night when I was trying to make up my mind.

Abe Sargent · 10-05-2011, 11:51 AM

Gl Eagle!

Grammaticus · 10-05-2011, 11:53 AM

Was there a possessed person in the first game? Anyone know how that works. Does the possessed person have to do what someone else tells them? Do orders go through the GM?

If someone tries to possess or convert someone else and it fails, does the person know something happened?

The Jackal · 10-05-2011, 12:05 PM

I don't think there is possession, just conversion. I imagine if a conversion attempt failed because of a role like the Minister (goodbye to that), they'd know they were attempted upon but not learn the identity of the person.

The Jackal · 10-05-2011, 12:08 PM

But I don't believe that's spelled out clearly in the rules - in other words it's your best guess, and we probably won't find out now.

Chief Rum · 10-05-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Narcizo

Pulling Chief from the list because he's not been well and it seems a bit harsh to pile onto him under those circumstances then you could pretty much stick a pin at random into any of these and have a shot at getting a wolf. Luckily I don't think any of them have posted much so it shouldn't be too hard to make a decision out of them. But, really, I'm happy to vote any of them at this stage, based on the way voting goes.

I appreciate that, but it's really not necessary. I'm much better now and getting back into the swing of things.

Narcizo · 10-05-2011, 12:17 PM

Oh, OK then.

Vtoe Chief.

Chief Rum · 10-05-2011, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Narcizo

Oh, OK then.

Vtoe Chief.

lol

dzilla77 · 10-05-2011, 12:36 PM

Not gonna be around much during the day. I'll be online this evening, though.

mauchow · 10-05-2011, 12:54 PM

Bad day for me after 5. Game at 6 and 9 central so I won't be around at deadline again.

dubb93 · 10-05-2011, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1

Bad day for me after 5. Game at 6 and 9 central so I won't be around at deadline again.

So logically we should wait until after 6 and then all switch to you?

mauchow · 10-05-2011, 01:24 PM

I'll peak in between 7-8 to cry then.

Zinto · 10-05-2011, 01:41 PM

Quiet day so far. Probably because Danny and Crimson haven't been here yet today. I am going to have to go look back at yesterday's voting to see what I can see.

MrBug708 · 10-05-2011, 01:52 PM

Agreed. And here I sit not subbing

SnDvls · 10-05-2011, 02:00 PM

quick vote count for those to lazy to reread 2 pages for today

Thomkal 1 - Eaglefan (1240)
MrBug 2 - The Jackal (1244), CrimsonFox (1209)
Eaglefan 2 - SnDvls (1266), Narcizo (1271)
j23 1 - Autumn (1264)

unvote

Thomkal (1255) of mauboy

Grammaticus · 10-05-2011, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I don't think there is possession, just conversion. I imagine if a conversion attempt failed because of a role like the Minister (goodbye to that), they'd know they were attempted upon but not learn the identity of the person.

If there is no possession, then there probably would not be an exorcist role.

Narcizo · 10-05-2011, 02:55 PM

Oh well I'm not going to get any action from Eagle before I go then. I'll leave my vote where it is and hope that, for the first time this game, I haven't left it on a roled villager.

Autumn · 10-05-2011, 03:25 PM

Note to self, post 1280 is the last post I read.

I'm real busy today and probably won't get much chance to read anything until after the kids are in bed, hopefully have time to digest and post before deadline.

Danny · 10-05-2011, 03:37 PM

I am awake and catching up now

Danny · 10-05-2011, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dzilla77

Yes, tried Lathum last night with obviously no result. Open to suggestions for tonight, if I make it that far.

Not to be mean, but why would you choose Lathum?

The Jackal · 10-05-2011, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Grammaticus

If there is no possession, then there probably would not be an exorcist role.

Good point

10-05-2011, 11:51 AM	#1281
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Gl Eagle! __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

10-05-2011, 08:48 AM	#1252
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Thought we were friends because I scanned you last game? My vote isn't set on you Bug, but CF seems to have a feeling and it's good to make some people who wouldn't normally post much have to say some things/get involved.

10-05-2011, 08:50 AM	#1253
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	You scanned me?

10-05-2011, 08:53 AM	#1255
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	unvote mauboy

10-05-2011, 09:02 AM	#1258
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I'll tell you what Jackal, since you scanned me last game, we can pretend you were scanned this game. Since I was good, I'll assume you are good in this game. Deal?

10-05-2011, 09:06 AM	#1261
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	You should look for CF's posts, he's probably the person you need to be convincing.

10-05-2011, 09:06 AM	#1262
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I can't tell if you are serious or being Crimson Fox

10-05-2011, 09:27 AM	#1264
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Seems to me that Jackal and J23 still deserve some possible votes as people who were right in the thick of things, but not lynched. Also, that list I was going by yesterday, of people who voted elsewhere than NTN after Bhlloy's reveal, is growing shorter: CF, Lathum, Mckerney, J23 CF's not getting a pass from me, but combine the two and I think I'm going after J23 for now. vote J23

10-05-2011, 09:54 AM	#1266
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	VOTE EAGLEFAN I know nothing on him/about him and have nothing strong on him either way just a vote

10-05-2011, 10:16 AM	#1271
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	Reading through their posts I get decentish vibes from SnDvls and Zinto. Leaves Eagle, Bug and Thomkal. Wouldn't mind a run off of these guys. If the draft thingy is over I'd like to see a bit more from Eagle. Vote EagleFan See if he has anything to say for himself today.

10-05-2011, 11:20 AM	#1280
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I was the person who looked at all the "single votes" from Day 1 and concluded, based on lack of posts near the deadline, that they were not around to move them that day. This doesn't mean they aren't wolves, just that I wasn't going to use the "wasted vote" logic to target them last night when I was trying to make up my mind.

10-05-2011, 11:53 AM	#1282
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	Was there a possessed person in the first game? Anyone know how that works. Does the possessed person have to do what someone else tells them? Do orders go through the GM? If someone tries to possess or convert someone else and it fails, does the person know something happened?

10-05-2011, 12:05 PM	#1283
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I don't think there is possession, just conversion. I imagine if a conversion attempt failed because of a role like the Minister (goodbye to that), they'd know they were attempted upon but not learn the identity of the person.

10-05-2011, 12:08 PM	#1284
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	But I don't believe that's spelled out clearly in the rules - in other words it's your best guess, and we probably won't find out now.

10-05-2011, 12:17 PM	#1286
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	Oh, OK then. Vtoe Chief.

10-05-2011, 12:36 PM	#1288
dzilla77 High School Varsity Join Date: May 2011	Not gonna be around much during the day. I'll be online this evening, though.

10-05-2011, 12:54 PM	#1289
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Bad day for me after 5. Game at 6 and 9 central so I won't be around at deadline again.

10-05-2011, 01:24 PM	#1291
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	I'll peak in between 7-8 to cry then.

10-05-2011, 01:41 PM	#1292
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	Quiet day so far. Probably because Danny and Crimson haven't been here yet today. I am going to have to go look back at yesterday's voting to see what I can see.

10-05-2011, 01:52 PM	#1293
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Agreed. And here I sit not subbing

10-05-2011, 02:00 PM	#1294
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	quick vote count for those to lazy to reread 2 pages for today Thomkal 1 - Eaglefan (1240) MrBug 2 - The Jackal (1244), CrimsonFox (1209) Eaglefan 2 - SnDvls (1266), Narcizo (1271) j23 1 - Autumn (1264) unvote Thomkal (1255) of mauboy

10-05-2011, 02:55 PM	#1296
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	Oh well I'm not going to get any action from Eagle before I go then. I'll leave my vote where it is and hope that, for the first time this game, I haven't left it on a roled villager.

10-05-2011, 03:25 PM	#1297
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Note to self, post 1280 is the last post I read. I'm real busy today and probably won't get much chance to read anything until after the kids are in bed, hopefully have time to digest and post before deadline.

10-05-2011, 03:37 PM	#1298
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I am awake and catching up now

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