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Old 12-30-2013, 10:33 AM   #51
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Josh McDaniels is on the radar of the Browns. Tebow might get another shot!
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:36 AM   #52
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Josh McDaniels is on the radar of the Browns. Tebow might get another shot!

What exactly is Cleveland thinking? Do they know that McDaniels isn't bringing Tom Brady with him?
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:40 AM   #53
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Schiano fired.
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:41 AM   #54
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Surprising considering how cheap the Glazers' are.
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:43 AM   #55
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Bucs GM Mark Dominik fired as well.
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:45 AM   #56
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Surprising considering how cheap the Glazers' are.

Does NFL to college offset language exist? If so, and if he's in line for the Penn State job, it might not be costing them much.
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:46 AM   #57
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any chance to get John Gruden a job (and get his annoying schtick out of the broadcast booth?)
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:46 AM   #58
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hmm thought he might survive for another year.
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:47 AM   #59
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any chance to get John Gruden a job (and get his annoying schtick out of the broadcast booth?)

Amen brother! Tirico can go with him too.
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:59 AM   #60
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Now Jim Schwartz fired.
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:02 AM   #61
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:05 AM   #62
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Now Jim Schwartz fired.

Couldn't believe some of the "experts" were saying there was a chance he was going to stay.
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:06 AM   #63
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Couldn't believe some of the "experts" were saying there was a chance he was going to stay.

I couldn't either.
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:06 AM   #64
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Couldn't believe some of the "experts" were saying there was a chance he was going to stay.

To be fair, we are talking the Lions.
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:08 AM   #65
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To be fair, we are talking the Lions.

yes true true, he should have not been fired given its the Lions.
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:11 AM   #66
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Sounds like Jason Garrett is staying. Interesting.
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:13 AM   #67
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I thought Schwartz had at least 6-7 more seasons to really get his guys and his scheme up and going, given their track record with Millen.

That said, Detroit also needs a new QB. I think Stafford has proven well enough that he isn't it.
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:22 AM   #68
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Schwartz is gone. It was time, but the real issue for the Lions is Stafford. Maybe they can hire a staff that can calm him down and get the most out of him.
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:26 AM   #69
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I thought Schwartz had at least 6-7 more seasons to really get his guys and his scheme up and going, given their track record with Millen.

That said, Detroit also needs a new QB. I think Stafford has proven well enough that he isn't it.

The problem with getting "a new QB" is that Stafford signed an extension just before the season. For better or worse, at this point it seems "for worse", the Lions are heavily committed to Stafford financially for the next few seasons at the very least. Their wagon is firmly hitched to his star at the moment.
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:31 AM   #70
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I don't think they can outright cut him, but they could certainly take a chance on a couple of guys in the draft and/or free agency and see where that gets them.

I suppose much of that depends on the new coaching regime that will be coming in.
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:46 AM   #71
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Doesn't seem fair to fire Frazier and keep Spielman.

Plus, didn't the Vikings say Frazier was safe for 2014 a few weeks ago?

Spielman should have been the first one out the door, but from reports in the local media ownership is in love with him. Can't believe a team with a desperate need for an answer at QB is going to let Spielman pick their next one with his track record when it comes to quarterbacks. Hell, taking Ponder at 12 should be a fireable offense on its own.
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:57 AM   #72
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I thought Schwartz had at least 6-7 more seasons to really get his guys and his scheme up and going, given their track record with Millen.

That said, Detroit also needs a new QB. I think Stafford has proven well enough that he isn't it.

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Schwartz is gone. It was time, but the real issue for the Lions is Stafford. Maybe they can hire a staff that can calm him down and get the most out of him.

I disagree regarding Schwartz, he was the problem in Detroit as proven by his 29-51 record in 5 seasons.

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The problem with getting "a new QB" is that Stafford signed an extension just before the season. For better or worse, at this point it seems "for worse", the Lions are heavily committed to Stafford financially for the next few seasons at the very least. Their wagon is firmly hitched to his star at the moment.

I have gone rather sour on Stafford over the past couple of years but still believe that Schwartz was the real problem. Reports were that he had lost the team (as evidenced by the plethora of penalties and off-field issues). Stafford makes terrible decisions with the ball and that contract is an albatross around the Lions' neck, but there may be hope for him. He is still young enough that some good coaching can fix his issues (enough of the sidearm crap). Worse case scenario, he may even be tradeable because of his youth and arm strength although I wouldn't hold my breath.

Curious to see who the next schmuck will be in Detroit. At this point, does it really matter? The Ford's have proven they can't hire a competent head coach.
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:15 PM   #73
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I know the Texans started this early. Here is what we have so far:

Texans - Kubiak
Browns - Chud
Lions - dumb ass
Bucs - even dumber ass
Skins - Shanny
Vikings - Frazier


Still awaiting official word on Raiders, Dolphins. Has to be one more shocker than Cleveland being stupid, right? I mean, that's just normal, it isn't really a shocker anymore. Coughlin?
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:48 PM   #74
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Coughlin is a coin flip for me. If he stays, whatever leash he had is gone.
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:49 PM   #75
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The coaching record in their first season and when they had their first winning record for all multiple Super Bowl winning coaches:

Noll 1-13, 4th
Belichick 6-10, 4th
Gibbs 8-8, 2nd
Walsh 2-14, 3rd
Coughlin 4-12, 2nd
Flores 9-7, 1st
Johnson 1-15, 3rd
Landry 0-11-1, 7th
Lombardi 7-5, 1st
Parcells 3-12-1, 2nd
Seifert 14-2, 1st
Shannahan 7-9, 4th
Shula 8-6, 1st
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Old 12-30-2013, 12:52 PM   #76
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Tom Landry would have never gotten to year 7 if he came around today.

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Old 12-30-2013, 01:19 PM   #77
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Ken Whisenhunt's name was batted around by the guys on ESPN as a possible coach for Detroit. He has a tie to Mayhew as well.
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:26 PM   #78
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I know it's a different sport, but John Wooden didn't win a national title until his 16th season at UCLA. He did have success, but in years 9-13 he didn't even win a conference title.

I understand pulling the plug quick when a guy has clearly lost the locker room. Or if you are trying to win now and your coach is playing kids and sitting vets while losing, you aren't following orders and deserve to lose your job. Or that last one. . . you don't get along with the franchise player. I know, it isn't fair, but if Peyton Manning were to come out after the season and say "I can no longer work with coach Fox. Good guy, but he's dumber than a board and I think we'd be better off without him" I'm sorry, but Fox is gone. Not many players have that type of pull, but if they do, I don't have a problem making a move if I'm an organization.

The Chud thing in Cleveland? Just strikes me as a very stupid, very short sighted move. I mean, it isn't like they were getting drilled. Bad QB and all they easily could have beat the Patirots and the Chiefs on the road.


This is just dumb. The sad thing is, with the talent and draft picks they have, they could still win relatively soon with the right coach. Get a decent QB and this team could be next years Chiefs.
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:27 PM   #79
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Bill O'Brien makes a lot of sense in Detroit, if they can get him. You'd think he could be the one to fine tune Stafford into what he could potentially be.
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:27 PM   #80
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Am shocked that a college coach known more for his recruiting than game day management couldn't hack it in the NFL .
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Old 12-30-2013, 01:32 PM   #81
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There is no way the giants fire coughlin. .
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Old 12-30-2013, 02:13 PM   #82
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There is no way the giants fire coughlin. .

After all, he did beat the Lions this year.
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Old 12-30-2013, 02:39 PM   #83
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Am shocked that a college coach known more for his recruiting than game day management couldn't hack it in the NFL .

This was essentially my take when he got hired. I'm not surprised at all he didn't work out.
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Old 12-30-2013, 03:07 PM   #84
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Tom Landry would have never gotten to year 7 if he came around today.

He got a 10 year contract extension after going 13-38-3 his first four seasons. The reaction to that type of move happening in this day and age would be priceless.
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Old 12-30-2013, 03:37 PM   #85
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Coughlin definitely deserves to stay, but I would like to see Gilbride gone. The Giants have gotten better production out of similarly talented offenses in the past. I think one of the big issues with the Giants this year is that after 7-8 years of having him be the offensive coordinator, their offense has just gotten far too predictable. There have been too many games in recent years where the offense looks lifeless for 3+ quarters and suddenly comes alive in the 4th with Eli running a no huddle. They need a new system/play caller IMO.
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Old 12-30-2013, 04:04 PM   #86
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I'd love to see Ireland and Philbin fired myself but don't see it happening
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Old 12-30-2013, 04:05 PM   #87
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Old 12-30-2013, 04:05 PM   #88
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There is no way the giants fire coughlin. .

NFL Radio was saying earlier that John Mara has told Coughlin it was his decision - he [Mara] wasn't going to fire him, and would be happy if he stayed, but would understand if he quit.
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I'd love to see Ireland and Philbin fired myself but don't see it happening

It would be the only way I'd feel good heading into the off-season.
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Old 12-30-2013, 04:39 PM   #90
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Old 12-30-2013, 04:49 PM   #91
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Old 12-30-2013, 04:57 PM   #92
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It would be the only way I'd feel good heading into the off-season.

Who do you want, though....?


I'm a Dolphin fan, and while I wouldn't cry if they got the axe... There aren't any Harbaughs' currently unemployed.. Cowher has said "not interested"..


Who's out there that you'd love to see us hire?
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Miami Dolphins Have to Fire Joe Philbin and Clean House | Bleacher Report

This article spells out reasons why Philbin should be fired. These sentences best describe where I stand on him.

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When it comes down to it, what does Philbin really bring to the table?

The only thing that I could point to is that Tannehill has improved a bit. But again, I don't know if Philbin deserves credit for that or not. On the other hand, I don't know how much he was hamstrung by the GM and the coordinators.
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Who do you want, though....?


I'm a Dolphin fan, and while I wouldn't cry if they got the axe... There aren't any Harbaughs' currently unemployed.. Cowher has said "not interested"..


Who's out there that you'd love to see us hire?

Given the choice, I would love to see Mike Zimmer hired as HC and to run the defense and then go after someone like a Norv Turner to the OC to really work with Tannehill. The more important hire to me is the GM.
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Who do you want, though....?


I'm a Dolphin fan, and while I wouldn't cry if they got the axe... There aren't any Harbaughs' currently unemployed.. Cowher has said "not interested"..


Who's out there that you'd love to see us hire?

I hate to say this but, someone else... anyone else at this point. This team has no fire or emotion. They came into the last two weeks controlling their own fate and played totally flat. It isn't that they lost those two games, it's how they lost them. The entire team seemed totally disinterested when it counted most.

I pin that directly on Philbin.
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Given the choice, I would love to see Mike Zimmer hired as HC and to run the defense and then go after someone like a Norv Turner to the OC to really work with Tannehill. The more important hire to me is the GM.

I could definitely go with a Zimmer/Turner pairing.
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Old 12-30-2013, 05:21 PM   #97
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The entire team seemed totally disinterested when it counted most.I pin that directly on Philbin.

At some point doesn't that sort of thing rest on the players? I mean, these aren't kids, these are grown men.
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Old 12-30-2013, 05:25 PM   #98
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At some point doesn't that sort of thing rest on the players? I mean, these aren't kids, these are grown men.

The coach sets the tone and honestly, Philbin looked pretty disinterested himself during those two games.

Sparano sucked, but at least he was interested in what was going on. The man would get fired up over a great tackle or even a field goal.

It really says something when I'm missing Sparano.
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Old 12-30-2013, 05:31 PM   #99
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At some point doesn't that sort of thing rest on the players? I mean, these aren't kids, these are grown men.

Jon, one thing we learned the 2013 NFL season has proven is that the Dolphin locker room is not filled with grown men.
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Old 12-30-2013, 05:34 PM   #100
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I just can't get excited about Zimmer/Turner....


Didn't we already have Turner as an OC?
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