1869 (Season 32) Offseason Thread

Young Drachma · 02-02-2013, 12:08 AM

Here's the 1869 Salary Cap figures (by team)

Code:

$107,642,878	St. Louis Aviators
$128,433,640	Gettysburg Gomers
$106,700,481	Columbus Crusaders
$96,812,383	Wyoming Plowboys
$100,903,350	Denver Crows
$109,976,052	Winnemucca Lake Monsters
$106,555,078	Brooklyn Titans
$104,666,332	Las Vegas Aces
$100,927,580	Cuyahoga Spiders
$101,026,758	Chicago Hornets
$104,548,356	Washington Grays
$98,719,341	Lake Tahoe Syndicate
$102,326,721	Los Angeles Villains 
$107,180,066	Rio Grande Rough Riders
$108,737,397	Carolina Kings
$101,202,943	New York Skyliners
$107,521,072	Cleveland Laborers
$108,410,337	Memphis Smokers
$86,162,510	Joplin Miners
$105,194,438	Portland Thorns

The revenue formula is $100k per win + 85% of payroll + merchandise (attendance) + plus any bonuses (playoffs) and money you acquire via trades (or send, as it were.)

Cap from year to year is your profit/loss plus $100 million. So if you turn a profit, whatever is leftover gets added to that $100m.

Gate Revenue & attendance gets generated by the game.

Young Drachma · 02-02-2013, 12:08 AM

Link to financials

robster1225 · 02-02-2013, 10:19 AM

Awesome, cap goes up for us again.

robster1225 · 02-02-2013, 10:39 AM

Eusebio Salavisa again played in all 162 games for his third year in a row. He's now 44, and doesn't look to be slowing to much.

Young Drachma · 02-02-2013, 12:52 PM

So crazy. The game will auto-retire him at 45, but no way he's staying retired if he's still producing like that.

Gomer · 02-02-2013, 01:47 PM

Maybe I'm just not seeing it, but do we have the draft order finalized?

sttfrk · 02-02-2013, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gomer

Maybe I'm just not seeing it, but do we have the draft order finalized?

Is this it? Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - 1868 (Season XXXI) Off-season Thread

It's a little confusing with the draft being set on the previous season's record, but I think this is the draft order for Monday's draft.

Young Drachma · 02-03-2013, 01:05 AM

Correct.

Here's the draft pick tracker for 1868 (and beyond)

claphamsa · 02-03-2013, 11:03 AM

i have 5 first round picks! lets do a live draft

Young Drachma · 02-03-2013, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

i have 5 first round picks! lets do a live draft

Hahahaha. Yeah, you made a smart choice doing what you did when you did it I was thinking last night. Crazy stuff.

Young Drachma · 02-03-2013, 11:29 AM

I should do next year's draft lottery, because it makes it easier to trade picks or not when you know what sort of pick you have for the next season.

Young Drachma · 02-03-2013, 11:38 AM

Next year's draft order is being next now. Here's the ball allocation

Young Drachma · 02-03-2013, 11:39 AM

Young Drachma · 02-03-2013, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gomer

Maybe I'm just not seeing it, but do we have the draft order finalized?

1868 DRAFT ORDER
1. Rio Grande
2. Winnemucca
3. New York
4. Joplin
5. Portland
6. Lake Tahoe
7. Memphis
8. Denver
9. Carolina
10. Cleveland
11. Wyoming
12. Washington
13. Washington (via Los Angeles)
14. Chicago
15. Washington (via Las Vegas)
16 Brooklyn
17. Cuyahoga
18. Washington (via Gettysburg)
19. Joplin (via Columbus)
20. Washington (via St. Louis)

2ND ROUND
2.11 St. Louis (via Wyoming)
2.13 Washington (via Los Angeles)
2.15 Washington (via Las Vegas)

3RD ROUND
3.8 Washington (via Denver)
3.15 Joplin (via Las Vegas)
3.19 Joplin (via Columbus)
3.20 Joplin (Via St. Louis)

robster1225 · 02-03-2013, 12:47 PM

Ha, I have virtually no picks this year.

Young Drachma · 02-04-2013, 08:14 AM

Draft tonight, nerds.

Young Drachma · 02-04-2013, 11:14 PM

Aah, Winnemucca really is the Yankees. Of course they'd have the #2 pick in a draft when just what the club needed was an elite starter to replacing their aging set of aces.

Of. course.

Young Drachma · 02-04-2013, 11:41 PM

We'll take tomorrow off and do FA1 on Wednesday, FA2 on Thursday and ST on Friday.

File is up.

Subby · 02-05-2013, 09:37 AM

I think maybe the talent got turned up too much for the draft eligible players. In the 5th round I got a 2b with 8 contact and 10 power potential.

Young Drachma · 02-05-2013, 09:46 AM

It won't always be like that, it was a bit of an overcorrection I think because I added non-STREP guys to the draft because it won't generate any 3-pitch starters.

Young Drachma · 02-05-2013, 09:49 AM

I forgot to give Joplin the 1.19 in the draft this year and they're not interested in taking the player Columbus drafted, so I'm going to award them a compensation player. I'm mostly posting this so I don't forget to do it.

Young Drachma · 02-05-2013, 12:53 PM

Draft tracker updated with next year's draft positions, as well as the 1872 draft picks now available for trading.

Young Drachma · 02-05-2013, 12:56 PM

Not that anyone has ever traded a 5th rounder that I can recall, but effectively immediately 6th rounders can now be dealt.

Young Drachma · 02-05-2013, 01:01 PM

Remember, no sim tonight. We'll do FA1 tomorrow. I figured that people would want a day to see who is out there and make offers, rather than the fast turnaround.

Young Drachma · 02-05-2013, 03:54 PM

Wyoming hasn't had game access for the past few days, but told me that he didn't want to pick up the team option on Jimmy Ridgeway worth $28m. Shocking, I know. So he'll be released in the file tonight that I do to process the trades that were made today.

Young Drachma · 02-05-2013, 11:20 PM

Deals processed, Ridgeway released, Joplin awarded compensatory player and budgets updated in-game.

Processing file. FA1 tomorrow.

Young Drachma · 02-05-2013, 11:53 PM

File is up. FA1 tomorrow folks.

claphamsa · 02-06-2013, 06:27 AM

what happened to the guy Columbus drafted?

Young Drachma · 02-06-2013, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

what happened to the guy Columbus drafted?

Joplin got the same deal you got last year which was take other team's player or compensatory player award. He chose the latter.

claphamsa · 02-06-2013, 08:39 AM

did you release the guy? or just delete him? want to know if i need to be looking for a good spec in FA

Young Drachma · 02-06-2013, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

did you release the guy? or just delete him? want to know if i need to be looking for a good spec in FA

I hadn't thought about it. I suppose I will delete him tonight.

Young Drachma · 02-06-2013, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Does the amount that I spend on salaries this season affect my salary cap for next season?

The revenue formula is $100k per win + 85% of payroll + merchandise (attendance) + plus any bonuses (playoffs) and money you acquire via trades (or send, as it were.)

Cap from year to year is your profit/loss plus $100 million. So if you turn a profit, whatever is leftover gets added to that $100m.

So really, the perils are in spending consistently and not winning. Those playoff bonuses sustain runs. But for the most part, the cap is designed to keep teams +/- $100 million at all times, unless they win extremely big.

I added a sample team at the end of the spreadsheet from last year, so you could make a copy of it and play around with various figures to see what would happen if your payroll went up versus went down and say you had a good or bad year.

Young Drachma · 02-06-2013, 09:38 PM

Sal Garcia, the guy that Columbus drafted with the 1.19 will be awarded to the worst team in the league from 1868, meaning that he's going to New York. I started to delete him, but didn't really see a reason to do that. Just what SLOP needs, another damn outfielder.

Young Drachma · 02-06-2013, 09:53 PM

FA1 tonight nerds.

Young Drachma · 02-06-2013, 09:59 PM

I processed all of those trades last night, but exports were brought in after, I guess so all of the guys were released. I asked them to fix this in the new version. Anyway, I need to fix all of those deals.

Young Drachma · 02-07-2013, 12:09 AM

Here goes

Young Drachma · 02-07-2013, 12:10 AM

Friday, November 27th, 1868
Wyoming Plowboys: Signed free agent 1B Carlos Castillo to a 4-year contract worth a total of $8,160,000.
St. Louis Aviators: Signed free agent CF Ian Van Dusen to a 1-year contract worth a total of $460,000.
Wyoming Plowboys: Signed free agent SP Tommy Sigworth to a 3-year contract worth a total of $12,200,000.
Chicago Hornets: Signed free agent MR Tony Archuleta to a 3-year contract worth a total of $7,830,000.
Wyoming Plowboys: Signed free agent C Palmer Welch to a 4-year contract worth a total of $15,490,000.
New York Skyliners: Signed free agent SP Dave D'Alterio to a 7-year contract worth a total of $115,000,000.
Cuyahoga Spiders: Signed MR Ili Shan to a 5-year contract extension worth a total of $14,100,000.
Chicago Hornets: Signed free agent 1B J.D. Guthrie to a 4-year contract worth a total of $9,960,000.
Joplin Miners: Signed free agent LF Alex Vasguez to a 5-year contract worth a total of $60,000,000.
Monday, November 23rd, 1868
St. Louis Aviators: Signed SP Lusala Chaga to a 3-year contract extension worth a total of $16,500,000.

Young Drachma · 02-07-2013, 12:13 AM

Sunday, December 20th, 1868
Carolina Kings: Signed free agent CF Carlos Salazar to a 3-year contract worth a total of $51,000,000.
Joplin Miners: Signed free agent C Adan Langford to a 2-year contract worth a total of $8,000,000.
New York Skyliners: Signed free agent MR Leandro Gimenez to a 1-year contract worth a total of $875,000.
Wyoming Plowboys: Signed free agent SP Sid Hass to a 4-year contract worth a total of $13,400,000.
Monday, December 7th, 1868
Denver Crows: Signed free agent MR Liam Rego to a 4-year contract worth a total of $11,200,000.
Friday, December 4th, 1868
Lake Tahoe Syndicate: Signed free agent MR Jacob Dickinson to a 1-year contract worth a total of $700,000.
Carolina Kings: Signed free agent 3B Tom Robinson to a 2-year contract worth a total of $2,400,000.
Carolina Kings: Signed free agent MR Zachary Rice to a 1-year contract worth a total of $725,000.
Chicago Hornets: Signed free agent 3B Ron Somes to a 3-year contract worth a total of $40,125,000.
Memphis Smokers: Signed free agent SP Hendrich Brown to a 2-year contract worth a total of $5,400,000.
Carolina Kings: Signed free agent MR Alex Aguilera to a 1-year contract worth a total of $600,000.
Wyoming Plowboys: Signed free agent SP Zachery Allen to a 2-year contract worth a total of $1,800,000.
Wyoming Plowboys: Signed free agent CL Ricardo Viramontes to a 1-year contract worth a total of $380,000.
Wyoming Plowboys: Signed free agent SP Bill Vargas to a 2-year contract worth a total of $2,140,000.
Lake Tahoe Syndicate: Signed free agent SS Vic Saccoccio to a 4-year contract worth a total of $6,800,000.
Carolina Kings: Signed free agent MR Geoff Farrant to a 3-year contract worth a total of $1,125,000.

Young Drachma · 02-07-2013, 12:35 AM

I forgot to do the RFA Thread. But then, no one asked about it either.

Young Drachma · 02-07-2013, 12:35 AM

File is up. We'll do FA2 tomorrow, ST on Friday.

Young Drachma · 02-07-2013, 08:22 AM

HTML is up in case you're into that.

Young Drachma · 02-07-2013, 09:13 PM

PROTIP: If you're going to talk shit about people's roster moves or trades, post them in the forum and make sure you actually know the people before you go doing that. Seriously, I don't want members thinking they should quit when someone impinges on their credibility or whatever.

Because that's fucked up and that's not how shit goes down in these parts. And it's disappointing that someone's PMs caused someone to think they needed to quit rather than hang out here ESPECIALLY a new member.

Grr..

INDalltheway · 02-07-2013, 11:59 PM

How old are we folks? Be nice.

Young Drachma · 02-08-2013, 12:27 AM

Ok, FA2 time.

Young Drachma · 02-08-2013, 12:50 AM

Tuesday, January 19th, 1869
New York Skyliners: Signed free agent CF Jimmy Ridgeway to a 5-year contract worth a total of $23,800,000.
Carolina Kings: Signed free agent C Jimmy Bennett to a 3-year contract worth a total of $6,600,000.
Cuyahoga Spiders: Signed free agent 1B Steeven Grand to a 2-year contract worth a total of $14,600,000.
Tuesday, January 5th, 1869
Wyoming Plowboys: Signed free agent C Jimmy Arbogast to a 2-year contract worth a total of $2,600,000.
Lake Tahoe Syndicate: Signed free agent C Don Hall to a 2-year contract worth a total of $1,900,000.
Lake Tahoe Syndicate: Signed free agent C Brendon Good to a 2-year contract worth a total of $1,900,000.
Cleveland Laborers: Signed free agent C Abe Gray to a 2-year contract worth a total of $2,200,000.
Gettysburg Gomers: Signed free agent SS Ethan Bryant to a 1-year contract worth a total of $1,200,000.

Young Drachma · 02-08-2013, 01:00 AM

File is up. ST tomorrow.

Young Drachma · 02-08-2013, 10:40 AM

Spring Training tonight.

Young Drachma · 02-09-2013, 12:17 AM

SPRING STANDINGS

NL EAST
Brooklyn 18-6
Gettysburg 14-10
Carolina 11-13
Portland 9-15
Washington 6-18

NL WEST
Los Angeles 17-7
Columbus 17-7
Lake Tahoe 14-10
Denver 8-16
Wyoming 6-18

AL EAST
Cleveland 14-10
Cuyahoga 14-10
Chicago 13-11
New York 13-11
Memphis 11-13

AL WEST
Las Vegas 14-10
Rio Grande 11-13
Joplin 11-13
Winnemucca 10-14
St. Louis 9-15

02-02-2013, 10:19 AM	#3
robster1225 Mascot Join Date: Sep 2006	Awesome, cap goes up for us again. __________________ SLOP: Las Vegas Aces

02-02-2013, 10:39 AM	#4
robster1225 Mascot Join Date: Sep 2006	Eusebio Salavisa again played in all 162 games for his third year in a row. He's now 44, and doesn't look to be slowing to much. __________________ SLOP: Las Vegas Aces

02-02-2013, 12:52 PM	#5
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	So crazy. The game will auto-retire him at 45, but no way he's staying retired if he's still producing like that. __________________ Current Dynasty:The Zenith of Professional Basketball Careers (FBPB/FBCB) FBCB / FPB3 Mods

02-02-2013, 01:47 PM	#6
Gomer H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Central PA	Maybe I'm just not seeing it, but do we have the draft order finalized? __________________ Gettysburg Gomers SLOP Sunset Series Champions: 1863, 1868, 1869, 1873 SLOP NL Manager of the Year : 1860, 1863, 1865, 1867, 1868, 1872 F*CK SUBBY

02-03-2013, 11:03 AM	#9
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	i have 5 first round picks! lets do a live draft __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

02-02-2013, 12:08 AM	#2
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Link to financials

02-03-2013, 01:05 AM	#8
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Correct. Here's the draft pick tracker for 1868 (and beyond)

02-03-2013, 11:29 AM	#11
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	I should do next year's draft lottery, because it makes it easier to trade picks or not when you know what sort of pick you have for the next season.

02-03-2013, 11:38 AM	#12
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Next year's draft order is being next now. Here's the ball allocation

02-03-2013, 11:39 AM	#13
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001

02-03-2013, 12:47 PM	#15
robster1225 Mascot Join Date: Sep 2006	Ha, I have virtually no picks this year. __________________ SLOP: Las Vegas Aces

02-04-2013, 08:14 AM	#16
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Draft tonight, nerds.

02-04-2013, 11:14 PM	#17
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Aah, Winnemucca really is the Yankees. Of course they'd have the #2 pick in a draft when just what the club needed was an elite starter to replacing their aging set of aces. Of. course.

02-04-2013, 11:41 PM	#18
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	We'll take tomorrow off and do FA1 on Wednesday, FA2 on Thursday and ST on Friday. File is up.

02-05-2013, 09:37 AM	#19
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	I think maybe the talent got turned up too much for the draft eligible players. In the 5th round I got a 2b with 8 contact and 10 power potential. __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com Last edited by Subby : 02-05-2013 at 09:38 AM.

02-05-2013, 09:46 AM	#20
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	It won't always be like that, it was a bit of an overcorrection I think because I added non-STREP guys to the draft because it won't generate any 3-pitch starters.

02-05-2013, 09:49 AM	#21
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	I forgot to give Joplin the 1.19 in the draft this year and they're not interested in taking the player Columbus drafted, so I'm going to award them a compensation player. I'm mostly posting this so I don't forget to do it.

02-05-2013, 12:53 PM	#22
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Draft tracker updated with next year's draft positions, as well as the 1872 draft picks now available for trading.

02-05-2013, 12:56 PM	#23
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Not that anyone has ever traded a 5th rounder that I can recall, but effectively immediately 6th rounders can now be dealt.

02-05-2013, 01:01 PM	#24
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Remember, no sim tonight. We'll do FA1 tomorrow. I figured that people would want a day to see who is out there and make offers, rather than the fast turnaround.

02-05-2013, 03:54 PM	#25
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Wyoming hasn't had game access for the past few days, but told me that he didn't want to pick up the team option on Jimmy Ridgeway worth $28m. Shocking, I know. So he'll be released in the file tonight that I do to process the trades that were made today.

02-05-2013, 11:20 PM	#26
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Deals processed, Ridgeway released, Joplin awarded compensatory player and budgets updated in-game. Processing file. FA1 tomorrow.

02-05-2013, 11:53 PM	#27
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	File is up. FA1 tomorrow folks.

02-06-2013, 06:27 AM	#28
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	what happened to the guy Columbus drafted? __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

02-06-2013, 08:39 AM	#30
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	did you release the guy? or just delete him? want to know if i need to be looking for a good spec in FA __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

02-06-2013, 09:38 PM	#33
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Sal Garcia, the guy that Columbus drafted with the 1.19 will be awarded to the worst team in the league from 1868, meaning that he's going to New York. I started to delete him, but didn't really see a reason to do that. Just what SLOP needs, another damn outfielder.

02-06-2013, 09:53 PM	#34
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	FA1 tonight nerds.

02-06-2013, 09:59 PM	#35
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	I processed all of those trades last night, but exports were brought in after, I guess so all of the guys were released. I asked them to fix this in the new version. Anyway, I need to fix all of those deals.

02-07-2013, 12:09 AM	#36
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Here goes

02-07-2013, 12:10 AM	#37
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Friday, November 27th, 1868 Wyoming Plowboys: Signed free agent 1B Carlos Castillo to a 4-year contract worth a total of $8,160,000. St. Louis Aviators: Signed free agent CF Ian Van Dusen to a 1-year contract worth a total of $460,000. Wyoming Plowboys: Signed free agent SP Tommy Sigworth to a 3-year contract worth a total of $12,200,000. Chicago Hornets: Signed free agent MR Tony Archuleta to a 3-year contract worth a total of $7,830,000. Wyoming Plowboys: Signed free agent C Palmer Welch to a 4-year contract worth a total of $15,490,000. New York Skyliners: Signed free agent SP Dave D'Alterio to a 7-year contract worth a total of $115,000,000. Cuyahoga Spiders: Signed MR Ili Shan to a 5-year contract extension worth a total of $14,100,000. Chicago Hornets: Signed free agent 1B J.D. Guthrie to a 4-year contract worth a total of $9,960,000. Joplin Miners: Signed free agent LF Alex Vasguez to a 5-year contract worth a total of $60,000,000. Monday, November 23rd, 1868 St. Louis Aviators: Signed SP Lusala Chaga to a 3-year contract extension worth a total of $16,500,000.

02-07-2013, 12:13 AM	#38
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Sunday, December 20th, 1868 Carolina Kings: Signed free agent CF Carlos Salazar to a 3-year contract worth a total of $51,000,000. Joplin Miners: Signed free agent C Adan Langford to a 2-year contract worth a total of $8,000,000. New York Skyliners: Signed free agent MR Leandro Gimenez to a 1-year contract worth a total of $875,000. Wyoming Plowboys: Signed free agent SP Sid Hass to a 4-year contract worth a total of $13,400,000. Monday, December 7th, 1868 Denver Crows: Signed free agent MR Liam Rego to a 4-year contract worth a total of $11,200,000. Friday, December 4th, 1868 Lake Tahoe Syndicate: Signed free agent MR Jacob Dickinson to a 1-year contract worth a total of $700,000. Carolina Kings: Signed free agent 3B Tom Robinson to a 2-year contract worth a total of $2,400,000. Carolina Kings: Signed free agent MR Zachary Rice to a 1-year contract worth a total of $725,000. Chicago Hornets: Signed free agent 3B Ron Somes to a 3-year contract worth a total of $40,125,000. Memphis Smokers: Signed free agent SP Hendrich Brown to a 2-year contract worth a total of $5,400,000. Carolina Kings: Signed free agent MR Alex Aguilera to a 1-year contract worth a total of $600,000. Wyoming Plowboys: Signed free agent SP Zachery Allen to a 2-year contract worth a total of $1,800,000. Wyoming Plowboys: Signed free agent CL Ricardo Viramontes to a 1-year contract worth a total of $380,000. Wyoming Plowboys: Signed free agent SP Bill Vargas to a 2-year contract worth a total of $2,140,000. Lake Tahoe Syndicate: Signed free agent SS Vic Saccoccio to a 4-year contract worth a total of $6,800,000. Carolina Kings: Signed free agent MR Geoff Farrant to a 3-year contract worth a total of $1,125,000.

02-07-2013, 12:35 AM	#39
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	I forgot to do the RFA Thread. But then, no one asked about it either.

02-07-2013, 08:22 AM	#41
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	HTML is up in case you're into that.

02-07-2013, 09:13 PM	#42
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	PROTIP: If you're going to talk shit about people's roster moves or trades, post them in the forum and make sure you actually know the people before you go doing that. Seriously, I don't want members thinking they should quit when someone impinges on their credibility or whatever. Because that's fucked up and that's not how shit goes down in these parts. And it's disappointing that someone's PMs caused someone to think they needed to quit rather than hang out here ESPECIALLY a new member. Grr.. Last edited by Young Drachma : 02-07-2013 at 09:14 PM.

02-07-2013, 11:59 PM	#43
INDalltheway College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Chicago	How old are we folks? Be nice.