If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I still don't think Garland has the balls to charge him for anything.

I generally agree with you but then what’s the point of special council unless he holes Smith recommends not charging which seems like that’s getting less likely. If smith recommends charging and garland doesn’t that makes him look super weak and sets a precedent that a former president is above the law. It also give trump basically free rein to do what he wants should he be re-elected.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I generally agree with you but then what’s the point of special council unless he holes Smith recommends not charging which seems like that’s getting less likely. If smith recommends charging and garland doesn’t that makes him look super weak and sets a precedent that a former president is above the law. It also give trump basically free rein to do what he wants should he be re-elected.

Garland already looks weak. It's the whole reason there was no pushback from Republicans. Remember he let others off the hook for OKC too.

They've had more than enough to charge him with a multitude of crimes since Garland took office. I just don't see how anything changes.

[Lathum]

But then why appoint special counsel? If he was never going to charge him why not just come out and say that 18 months ago? Not charging at this point only enhances Trumps martyrdom which I doubt is Garlands goal.

[GrantDawg]

Yahoo.com is reporting all 34 accounts in NY are going to be felonies.

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[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Yahoo.com is reporting all 34 accounts in NY are going to be felonies.

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Is a guy with his own plane a flight risk?

[Lathum]

Exclusive: Trump to be charged Tuesday with 34 felony counts, but spared handcuffs and mug shot

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Exclusive: Trump to be charged Tuesday with 34 felony counts, but spared handcuffs and mug shot

The lowest level felony class E. I would assume this eventually would go to the SC and have no confidence that court wouldn’t side with their Sith Lord.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by Galaril

The lowest level felony class E. I would assume this eventually would go to the SC and have no confidence that court wouldn’t side with their Sith Lord.

? Aren't they state charges and not federal charges?

[CrimsonFox]

[NobodyHere]

This is why you need coordination.

Kind of a fascinating development. The reason you can’t hear Marjorie Taylor Greene, and why this whole thing is off the rails, is because a man has been handing out free whistles.

I talked to him. Turns out he’s a Trump supporter and he had no idea MTG was even here. pic.twitter.com/0RJqdyw7H5

— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) April 4, 2023

[sterlingice]

Let the free market (of ideas..?) sort it out /s

SI

[Lathum]

and Trump is officially under arrest

[RainMaker]

I guess no handcuffs or mugshot like us commoners would have to endure.

[Lathum]

I gut the no handcuffs and no holding cell, although Trump being placed in a holding cell with a bunch of common criminals would be so juicy, I don't get the no mugshot unless the DAs office doesn't want him to monetize it, which he certainly would.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I gut the no handcuffs and no holding cell, although Trump being placed in a holding cell with a bunch of common criminals would be so juicy, I don't get the no mugshot unless the DAs office doesn't want him to monetize it, which he certainly would.

No mugshot because Trump is a widely known figure with plenty of pictures available and they're trying to limit his movements today because of the amount of coordination this takes.

[RainMaker]

Outside the courthouse. pic.twitter.com/w21bjyPW5n

— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) April 4, 2023

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

No mugshot because Trump is a widely known figure with plenty of pictures available and they're trying to limit his movements today because of the amount of coordination this takes.

I get it to an extent. But we know that we would not be afforded this same luxury. Just think the justice system should treat everyone the same and not carve out special exceptions for famous and powerful people.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I guess no handcuffs or mugshot like us commoners would have to endure.

That;s okay a MAGA group just put out a fundraiser with a fake Trump mug shot so we get to see it anyway

[Lathum]

Interesting. Trump just walked int to courthouse. He was only on camera for about 10 seconds but he didn’t do his usual wave, raised fist, anything. He looked more somber than I’ve ever seen him. Makes me hope there is something in those counts that has him seriously freaked out. At the very least someone got to him and told him no fucking around under any circumstances

[Lathum]

Dola- cnn speculating what I just did. I wonder if his lawyers will win out and get him to cancel his address tonight. I can’t imagine they want him speaking unchecked.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I get it to an extent. But we know that we would not be afforded this same luxury. Just think the justice system should treat everyone the same and not carve out special exceptions for famous and powerful people.

Normal people don't have the same security concerns. A crowd of people is not likely to show up and put people in danger if you are I are getting processed. I get what you are saying, but there is a point to recognizing a reality that not everyone can or even should be treated exactly the same. It is not like a mugshot is punishment. It is record-keeping.

[Lathum]

If this is true holy shit......

Donald Trump Jr. has posted a picture of the judge's daughter on truth social.

— Joyce Alene (@JoyceWhiteVance) April 4, 2023

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Lathum

If this is true holy shit......

Donald Trump Jr. has posted a picture of the judge's daughter on truth social.

— Joyce Alene (@JoyceWhiteVance) April 4, 2023

He posted a breitbart story that contains her picture. She apparently worked on the Biden-Harris campaign so they're trying to frame that as a conflict of interest, which it's not. Unless they also want to get into Clarence Thomas and his wife.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

If this is true holy shit......

Not really a surprise. Their strategy in legal cases has always been to attack and make vague threats against people.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I gut the no handcuffs and no holding cell, although Trump being placed in a holding cell with a bunch of common criminals would be so juicy, I don't get the no mugshot unless the DAs office doesn't want him to monetize it, which he certainly would.

lol that reminds me of the story jerry seinfeld told about the real Cosmo Kramer. He and Larry david made the kramer character based off their friend who was named Cosmo Kramer but they didn't want to name him kramer because they KNEW...they KNEW he would try to monetize it..."which he did". lol. They even named the character Kessler for the pilot. But it just didn't have the same zing to it that Kramer did so they officially made him Kramer. The real Kramer still gives tours in new york. Or at least did for awhile about places in the show.

[cuervo72]

Does it make trips to the dump?

[NobodyHere]

So if Trump goes to jail, how does the Secret Service protect him? Do they have to place agents in prison with him?

[CrimsonFox]

lolol

Santos and Greene Flee

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

So if Trump goes to jail, how does the Secret Service protect him? Do they have to place agents in prison with him?

I think it would be more like a Goodfellas situation where they are sitting around making dinner.

[CrimsonFox]

Trump supporter hands out whistles and they are used to drown out MTG and friends

[GrantDawg]

The next hearing is not until December? This whole thing is such a joke. There is zero chance this goes to trial before the election. I would guess that would be the same for Georgia. Only the Federal charges might actually move with any speed.

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[Lathum]

I’m almost wondering if they scheduled the hearing so far out in hopes the documents case would come first.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Trump supporter hands out whistles and they are used to drown out MTG and friends

Is Greene dangerous or just an opportunistic idiot? Like, I get that anyone can be dangerous, but like legit dangerous and some are easy to separate out. For instance, DeSantis is dangerous. Boebert is a moron. Cruz is intelligently dangerous but uncharismatic. Cawthorn was charismatic but mostly an imbecile. I think Greene falls under charismatic-ish but dumb-ish. However, I'm not 100% certain.

SI

[Atocep]

I think dumb-ish is giving her credit.

[bronconick]

Katie S. Phang
@KatiePhang
Per
@MSNBC
: indictment includes $30,000 payment to silence a doorman at one of Trump's buildings who allegedly had information about a child that Trump fathered.

So, George Santos?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I think dumb-ish is giving her credit.

is that yet another tv spinoff?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by bronconick

So, George Santos?

i can't figure out this guy's angle. Needs an origin story

[bronconick]

The origin story is that Santos *is* the child of Trump. Commits crimes and lies constantly.

[albionmoonlight]

If Santos is Trump's illegitimate kid then we really are living in the Matrix and our AI overlords have decided to use reality to make a bad movie.

[CrimsonFox]

Trump kids is so last season. Need something new. Put Favreau on it.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Trump supporter hands out whistles and they are used to drown out MTG and friends

Does New York have strong whistleblower protection laws?

[albionmoonlight]

So the media got its hit of Trump, Trump, Trump over the last few days.

It will be interesting to see how much they keep trying to chase that rush over what will be months of non-newsworthy events in his case.

(I mock the media, but I realize that the problem is what we all keep clicking on. Years ago I remember a sportswriter saying something along the lines of "Y'all keep blaming us for writing so many stories about Favre. And we're sick of him too. But Favre stories get more hits than any other stories, so that's why we do it.")

[cuervo72]

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Does New York have strong whistleblower protection laws?

Heh

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

So the media got its hit of Trump, Trump, Trump over the last few days.

It will be interesting to see how much they keep trying to chase that rush over what will be months of non-newsworthy events in his case.

(I mock the media, but I realize that the problem is what we all keep clicking on. Years ago I remember a sportswriter saying something along the lines of "Y'all keep blaming us for writing so many stories about Favre. And we're sick of him too. But Favre stories get more hits than any other stories, so that's why we do it.")

It’s actually not a win to get all the attention when you’re getting arrested and arraigned on multiple felony indictments. I don’t pretend this is a great insight. But a lot of people don’t seem to understand it. pic.twitter.com/8VCw5yirUB

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) April 5, 2023

[BYU 14]

#PowerPost🙌🏻🙌🏼🙌🏽🙌🏾🙌🏿™️

Over 30 years ago, Donald Trump took out full page ads calling for my execution.

On the day he was arrested and arraigned, here is my ad in response. pic.twitter.com/nOYKkw1LD2

— Yusef Abdus Salaam (@dr_yusefsalaam) April 5, 2023

"And if the charges are proven and you are found guilty," he wrote, "I hope that you endure whatever penalties are imposed with the same strength and dignity that the Exonerated Five showed as we served our punishment for a crime we did not commit.”

I would call that, a big time Mic drop

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Does New York have strong whistleblower protection laws?

Snarf snarf!

[Thomkal]

Well surprise, surprise (not)Pence will no longer fight to not appear before the Jan 6 Grand Jury and will likely testify within a month if Trump's appeal fails. He didn't suddenly grow balls again, he wants Trump out of the way for his run at 2024.

[Thomkal]

This sounds encouraging-Jack Smith the special consul in charge of Jan 6 Grand Jury hires two more corruption experts:


Special counsel Jack Smith bolsters Trump investigation with two corruption experts as 'new phase' ramps up - Raw Story - Celebrating 19 Years of Independent Journalism


Edit: this happened in Jan, but its the first I had heard of it.

[Lathum]

Hopefully the headgear was ok. pic.twitter.com/Lk7OoF9LBU

— Ron Filipkowski ���� (@RonFilipkowski) April 5, 2023