If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

The next time the VP choice truly matters will be the first time the VP choice truly matters (at least in the post-WWII era). Earlier this year I was interested in this as an idea and looked at all the races and all the analyses I was able to find and read indicated that there's no evidence that the VP choice has ever contributed significantly to a race, again, in the post-WWII era.

Compelling narratives exist, but Palin didn't really sink McCain, Gore didn't really help Clinton, Quayle turned out not to be a liability for Bush, and so on and so forth.

I am realluy not concerned about her drag on the ticket. I'm concerned about her drag on the party. She is the presumptive nominee in 2028, and could be the President before that time.

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I am realluy not concerned about her drag on the ticket. I'm concerned about her drag on the party. She is the presumptive nominee in 2028, and could be the President before that time.

Exactly my concern as well. I think y'all make great points that VP has never really mattered, but Harris doesn't appeal to me or anybody I know (for what little is that worth) yet it still feels inevitable that she is going to get forced into that nomination based on some kind of seniority.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I am realluy not concerned about her drag on the ticket. I'm concerned about her drag on the party. She is the presumptive nominee in 2028, and could be the President before that time.

I'm not concerned about her drag on the party in 2024. Or as a presumptive nominee in 2028. I do believe Joe will give her more & better opportunities in 2nd term (he has to right?).

I am concerned about her replacing Joe if needed during the 2nd term. I don't know what the odds are but it's fair to say the odds are greater with Joe-Kamala than pretty much any other combo.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I'm not concerned about her drag on the party in 2024. Or as a presumptive nominee in 2028. I do believe Joe will give her more & better opportunities in 2nd term (he has to right?).

I am concerned about her replacing Joe if needed during the 2nd term. I don't know what the odds are but it's fair to say the odds are greater with Joe-Kamala than pretty much any other combo.

Still better than a Trump presidency. Absolutely no hyperbole when I say a second Trump term will destroy America as we know it.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Still better than a Trump presidency. Absolutely no hyperbole when I say a second Trump term will destroy America as we know it.

I agree with you. And agree its not an exaggeration.

I've said it before, Joe has exceeded my expectations overall and am pretty happy with him.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I left the board once for 3 years. You would all miss me too much

I think it would drive up your popularity actually. We could charge admission!

[cuervo72]

When a conservative podcaster came to campus, students did not want to listen | CNN

Back to the campus free speech discussion, because I don't know which thread that was again.

Chrystal, another protester at Pitt who did not share a last name with CNN, said: “If someone wants to inflict harm on you, are you going to debate them inflicting harm on you? No.” Chrystal added: “Why should someone be able to come in and tell me I don’t deserve to exist? I’m not trying to walk up to someone who’s Christian and tell them that they don’t deserve to exist for being Christian.”

“It’s a deliberate strategy on the part of these organizations to try to find a controversial speaker, try to provoke the liberal students into having a reaction, and making sure all of that gets filmed and edited in a certain way that makes those students look as bad as possible,” she said.

Franks is a professor at the University of Miami School of Law who argues that some conservatives and liberals are free speech fundamentalists who use the First Amendment the same way religious fundamentalists use the Bible, which undermines the integrity of the entire Constitution. She thinks that portraying the recent campus protests as threats to free speech is misleading.

“When someone backs you into a corner and says, ‘I don’t like your ideas,’ the easiest thing for you to say is, ‘Oh? Well, that’s because you don’t like my free speech. It’s because you want to censor me,’” Franks said. “It’s really the coward’s way of trying to deal with any argument. Your answer should be, ‘Here’s why my ideas are interesting, and why they’re important,’ not invoking some kind of quasi-constitutional gloss for what you have to say.”

[cuervo72]

Actually, this seems like a pretty relevant snippet too:

At Pitt, Knowles was scheduled to appear with Deirdre McCloskey, an economics professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago and trans woman. But a week before the event, McCloskey pulled out. She told CNN, “He’s not a serious person on these matters. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He’s an agitator. He wants to arouse hatred.”

McCloskey criticized students who did not want Knowles to speak at all, and she drew a distinction between not wanting him to speak and not wanting to debate him.

“It’s the old problem: Do you debate White nationalists? Do you debate fascists? Do you debate communists, for that matter?” she said. “The trouble is that if you do, you convey the feeling that they have something to say which you take seriously. I don’t take seriously his opinions.”

[RainMaker]

The school campus stuff is so lame to me. Trying to rile up 19 year olds on a college campus. Same with them targeting kids on health issues.


Just the biggest load of pussies you can imagine.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

The school campus stuff is so lame to me. Trying to rile up 19 year olds on a college campus. Same with them targeting kids on health issues.


Just the biggest load of pussies you can imagine.

Pussies are tough. You can pound them and pound them, and they keep coming back for more.


It reminds me of the church that protests soldier's funerals with there "God hates fags" signs. There are a bunch of people on Tik Tok and Youtube that do stuff like that. They are not trying to make some grand point (though they'll claim they proving the rights), but are just trying to annoy people to get their reaction on camera. They are just hoping someone will actually take a swing so they can sue them.

[RainMaker]

Shocking I know.
Jane Roberts, Who Is Married to the Supreme Court Chief Justice, Made $10.3 Million in Commissions: Documents

[thesloppy]

I will say that I do love to see that every political journo/paper/podcast/website in DC is apparently currently doing a deep dive into every justice's finances. Let those rats feel & fear the spotlight.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

I will say that I do love to see that every political journo/paper/podcast/website in DC is apparently currently doing a deep dive into every justice's finances. Let those rats feel & fear the spotlight.

It's ok. They don't believe they need any oversight. We just need to trust they're doing the right thing.

[RainMaker]

The Senate has oversight and is the checks and balance on the Supreme Court. But Durbin is just shrugging his shoulders pretending you can't do anything.


It's astounding too since new polls have shown the public is very much against Thomas and SCOTUS at the moment. Democrats love ineffective politicians.

[Flasch186]

Nothing to see here and nothing will happen


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[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Pussies are tough. You can pound them and pound them, and they keep coming back for more.

It reminds me of the church that protests soldier's funerals with there "God hates fags" signs. There are a bunch of people on Tik Tok and Youtube that do stuff like that. They are not trying to make some grand point (though they'll claim they proving the rights), but are just trying to annoy people to get their reaction on camera. They are just hoping someone will actually take a swing so they can sue them.

That's Kansas's good ol' Westboro Baptist. The Phelps family is mostly lawyers so they basically live to sue.



SI

[RainMaker]

This one feels like a 1A violation but who knows anymore.

Texas guts ‘woke civics’. Now kids can’t engage in a key democratic process | Texas | The Guardian

[Lathum]

Jesus Christ.

The GOP is horrified of the next generation of voters. It really is staggering.

They also REALLY don't understand a very basic concept of dealing with kids is if you tell them they can't do something, or try to keep them from doing something, they will only want to do it more.

Just look at Wisconsin.

[Atocep]

A large portion of the gop believes they lost Gen z because of brainwashing in our education system rather than their horribly unpopular policies. So their plan is to limit youth voting and impact until they can try to brainwash their own generation.

[Swaggs]

This is just sad stuff. It used to be that elections would keep the parties accountable and, if they got too far to the left or right and the policies didn't work, they would have to move back towards the center in order to win elections. Now, rather than the right acknowledging that their policies don't always work, they just try to make it harder to vote.

[Kodos]

Yet these people consider themselves to be "patriots."

[Ksyrup]

And the meatgrinder just keeps rolling on. Our political system has definitely proven the "too big to fail" nature of the 2-party system. It no longer matters who is the nominee - there is no bottom. Everything falls in line as if it's all just perfectly normal politics as usual.

New: Trump will take part in a CNN town hall next week Wednesday at 9pm ET in New Hampshire — as part of a wider arrangement for more Trump surrogates to be booked on the network in the coming weeks and months, per people familiar

— Hugo Lowell (@hugolowell) May 1, 2023

[albionmoonlight]

CNN's bet is that anyone who still watches cable news is MAGA.

[Ksyrup]

And most of them are going to react to Trump trying to get them to watch CNN like they did when he suggested they get vaccinated.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Atocep

A large portion of the gop believes they lost Gen z because of brainwashing in our education system rather than their horribly unpopular policies. So their plan is to limit youth voting and impact until they can try to brainwash their own generation.

but they've been the ones brainwashing them with their boarding private school crap

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

A large portion of the gop believes they lost Gen z because of brainwashing in our education system rather than their horribly unpopular policies. So their plan is to limit youth voting and impact until they can try to brainwash their own generation.

And I think even that isn't working so they're just going to increase the power of the courts and decrease the power of the executive and legislative branches for now.

[RainMaker]

Seems like the reason he was fired is going to end up showing in the text messages Fox illegally withheld from discovery.

The NYT has obtained one of Tucker Carlson's messages that was redacted from the Dominion court filings. "I found myself rooting for the mob against the man, hoping they’d hit him harder, kill him." https://t.co/IFyZIEzL7f pic.twitter.com/5vut1FICNX

— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) May 3, 2023

[Atocep]

It looks like No Fault Divorce is in the GOP crosshairs now. Because, ya know, abusive guys should be able to keep their women in place whether she likes it or not.

[RainMaker]

You should read up on some of the stories before no-fault divorce came into play. It was quite crazy. Also the female suicide rate dropped 20% after it was implemented.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

You should read up on some of the stories before no-fault divorce came into play. It was quite crazy. Also the female suicide rate dropped 20% after it was implemented.

Subjugate the women and children, make them dumb so they can work the fields and factories, deny all rights to the poor and those of color and give all the money to their rich overlords. Ensure guns in the hands of the zealots to kill all debate or dialogue for rationale or common sense (literally). Make no vote count but their own, and there is no environment just land that hasn't been exploited yet.

Ladies and Gentlemen, your Republican party (soon to be only party).

[cuervo72]

Erasing Memory -- Censoring and rewriting history: We've seen this movie before.

Good rundown. (dammit, substack)

[albionmoonlight]

2) Party is the greatest differentiator in whether Americans are willing to consider electric vehicles: https://t.co/AtWN401moY pic.twitter.com/We4LrVZzjI

— Shannon Osaka (@shannonosaka) May 3, 2023

It seems less helpful to think of being a Republican meaning having a set of political beliefs and more helpful to think of it as an identity.

[Thomkal]

Appearantly in the Carroll vs Trump Rape case, the defense is not going to call any witnesses and Trump himself is out of the country in Ireland and Scotland visiting his golf courses.

[miked]

Right, has more to do with the fact that they see EVs as a progressive issue and will just bite their finger off out of spite.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Appearantly in the Carroll vs Trump Rape case, the defense is not going to call any witnesses and Trump himself is out of the country in Ireland and Scotland visiting his golf courses.

They expect the case to go to the jury by lunch-time tomorrow. Either Trump's team feels they did enough in cross examination that they do not need a defense, or they feel they have enough to get any judgement overturned on appeal. My guess is the former. Or maybe a third thing that they expect a summary judgement before it even goes to the jury.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by miked

Right, has more to do with the fact that they see EVs as a progressive issue and will just bite their finger off out of spite.

Except in Georgia. Kemp and his gang are completely betting on EV, with three major plants, two battery factories, and a large EV recycling center all being built and getting heavy state subsidies.

[miked]

They want the jobs, but all will turn their noses at EVs because progressives. They do not equate the success of EVs with an increase in jobs and industry. I also saw a ton of "No Rivian" signs when I was driving through central/south GA.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by miked

They want the jobs, but all will turn their noses at EVs because progressives. They do not equate the success of EVs with an increase in jobs and industry. I also saw a ton of "No Rivian" signs when I was driving through central/south GA.

The "no Rivian" thing is not about EV's. It is about "not in my back yard." There are some very wealthy land owners in Rutledge that own huge pieces of land out there that have long fought any kind of large developments there. They belong to the Uber-wealthy hunting club close to that area, and they like having their own little hunting resorts. There have been numerous projects that they have sunk from factories to amusement parks exactly where Rivian is going. It was Kemp that got that plant put there.

Kemp and his cronies are very pro clean energy jobs. That is one of their major breaks with more Trumpian contingent.

[Ksyrup]

I'm going crazy with all of the MAGA GOP primary ads here in KY. We do elections on the odd off-years, and primaries are in about 2 weeks, so we're getting 3-4 every commercial break. The worst/funniest are the ones for specific state positions other than governor. You've got the MAGA agriculture secretary candidate who is running against taxing cow farts (including an actual fart noise) and banning meat, and the treasurer whose main selling point is "tough on illegals" - because illegals are stealing so much of our tax money that the GOP is *checks notes* cutting the state income tax every year, with a plan to eventually zero it out. Because, you know, we have all of that coast line and tens of millions of tourists to pay for our infrastructure here...

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

They expect the case to go to the jury by lunch-time tomorrow. Either Trump's team feels they did enough in cross examination that they do not need a defense, or they feel they have enough to get any judgement overturned on appeal. My guess is the former. Or maybe a third thing that they expect a summary judgement before it even goes to the jury.

they paid off enough people

[GrantDawg]

Does make me wonder, CF. You have to think they are pretty confident.

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[Thomkal]

You know I had been wondering why we hadn't heard about Herschel Walker since the election..well now we have and he's not running again:


Emails Reveal ‘Jaw-Dropping’ Herschel Walker Money Scandal

[JPhillips]

Definitely Trump-like. Where did all the money go that was supposed to be for investigating election fraud?

[Lathum]

Does the GOP really not grasp their biggest issue is candidate quality? When they trot out someone halfway normal (younkin, Vance) they win.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

That's Kansas's good ol' Westboro Baptist. The Phelps family is mostly lawyers so they basically live to sue.



SI

Went to Equality House on the way to Denver and got a birds eye view of that shithole across the street.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Does the GOP really not grasp their biggest issue is candidate quality? When they trot out someone halfway normal (younkin, Vance) they win.

And saying "JD Vance is normal" is probably a bit of a fudge


SI

[Ksyrup]

It's all relative...

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

And saying "JD Vance is normal" is probably a bit of a fudge


SI

I still think Tim Ryan ran a pretty horrible campaign. He tried to distance himself from Democrats (and Vance didn't let voters forget that Ryan was a Democrat). He also threw footballs at TVs for some reason.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

And saying "JD Vance is normal" is probably a bit of a fudge


SI

I said halfway and when you compare him to Walker, Oz, mastriano, lake, masters, etc. he certainly qualifies as halfway normal.

[Thomkal]

Proud Boys trial verdicts-mostly Guilty on all counts, may still be deliberating some.