Werewolf 107, Terror at Blizzcon, Basic Game, GAME OVER, HORDE WINS

[GoldenEagle]

I am assuming since I did not get to do my scan last night then that will count as the night that i was not able to use my power. Lathum will need to confirm that.

[GoldenEagle]

Right. Clap blew up the whole plan.

[Lathum]

Just to clear up any confusion, GE CAN NOT scan tonight. He needs to drink his melon juice and eat his curiously tasty omlette.

[GoldenEagle]

Damn. The resurrection was wasted.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Damn. The resurrection was wasted.

Not at all, but we can discuss post game.

[GoldenEagle]

If I would have actually read my PM, I would have known this.

[Poli]

GE can't scan tonight? Double hate to Lathum now.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Not at all, but we can discuss post game.

Llllliaaaar.

[The Jackal]

Not only can GE not scan tonight, but again, even if he could have and the BG blocked him, the wolves would have just used the rogue, so I wouldn't get upset about it.

[The Jackal]

Do we want this to be a runaway on clap? Because that seems to be where it's heading early on.

[Poli]

I doubt that's what we want, but it seems like the other option today is js23.

[saldana]

lathum, so does GE get his scan result from last night?

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Poli

I doubt that's what we want, but it seems like the other option today is js23.

Or RD, who never went with the plan in the first place.

[The Jackal]

I suppose a runaway would be good to stop all these shenanigans but the downside is the lack of voting records

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by saldana

lathum, so does GE get his scan result from last night?

No.

[GoldenEagle]

Are there any other viable candidates beside J23 and clap? It is doubtful that both of them are wolves.

I am going to go ahead and vote J23. I am not buying his explanation of why he changed his vote. It looks on the surface that it was a wolf panic move.

VOTE J23

[The Jackal]

VOTE RD

That is my other viable candidate. Vote isn't stuck there though.

[The Jackal]

Though I will make a final decision by 4 or 4:30 as I'm heading to work then. I can check a couple of times while I'm out to make sure nothing weird happens but I may be out of touch until around 11.

[J23]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Are there any other viable candidates beside J23 and clap? It is doubtful that both of them are wolves.

I am going to go ahead and vote J23. I am not buying his explanation of why he changed his vote. It looks on the surface that it was a wolf panic move.

Look at the times of the posts last night. Clap changed his vote at 8:58 causing the whole mess. There were then switches by both EF and yourself before mine in the last 2 minutes. During that time, I don't think one accurate vote count was posted (though inaccurate ones were).

I don't know why you're focusing so much on my vote last night and ignoring everything else I've done in this game.

[RealDeal]

For the time being, I'm going to vote:

vote J23

The vote switch looked funny to me, too. Of course, a late vote switch was the reason we all voted for EF, too, and that didn't turn out well.

I'm not going to vote Claph based on "screwing up the plan". You know how I feel about the plan anyway, but there's something absurd about wasting one day trying to execute the plan and then spending another day voting based on actions or lack of actions involved in trying to execute the plan. The plan becomes an ends unto itself.

If I weren't me, I'd actually considering me a pretty good candidate for a vote. Hopefully that doesn't happen, but so far I've cast a vote that turned out to be not meaningful and then I jumped on a bandwagon to kill a villager.

I intend to leave this vote here unless I need to protect myself or new information arises.

[J23]

Day One Votes
(70) saldana votes dubb93 (dubb93 1)
(74) spleen1015 votes saldana (dubb93 1, saldana 1)
(80) Poli votes EagleFan (dubb93 1, saldana 1, EagleFan 1)
(83) dubb93 votes Kwhit (dubb93 1, saldana 1, EagleFan 1, Kwhit 1)
(93) Schmidty votes Poli (dubb93 1, saldana 1, EagleFan 1, Kwhit 1, Poli 1)
(94) MartinD votes J23 (dubb93 1, saldana 1, EagleFan 1, Kwhit 1, Poli 1, J23 1)
(95) EagleFan votes Kwhit (Kwhit 2, dubb93 1, saldana 1, EagleFan 1, Poli 1, J23 1)
(96) CrimsonFox votes dubb93 (Kwhit 2, dubb93 2, saldana 1, EagleFan 1, Poli 1, J23 1)
(100) J23 votes Darth Vilus (Kwhit 2, dubb93 2, saldana 1, EagleFan 1, Poli 1, J23 1, Darth Vilus 1)
(101) RealDeal votes GoldenEagle (Kwhit 2, dubb93 2, saldana 1, EagleFan 1, Poli 1, J23 1, Darth Vilus 1, GoldenEagle 1)
(112) Darth Vilus votes Kwhit (Kwhit 3, dubb93 2, saldana 1, EagleFan 1, Poli 1, J23 1, Darth Vilus 1, GoldenEagle 1)
(113) dubb93 unvotes Kwhit, votes Darth Vilus (Kwhit 2, dubb93 2, Darth Vilus 2, saldana 1, EagleFan 1, Poli 1, J23 1, GoldenEagle 1)
(120) Darth Vilus unvotes Kwhit, votes dubb93 (dubb93 3, Darth Vilus 2, Kwhit 1, saldana 1, EagleFan 1, Poli 1, J23 1, GoldenEagle 1)
(122) claphamsa votes saldana (dubb93 3, Darth Vilus 2, saldana 2, Kwhit 1, EagleFan 1, Poli 1, J23 1, GoldenEagle 1)
(123) MartinD unvotes J23 (dubb93 3, Darth Vilus 2, saldana 2, Kwhit 1, EagleFan 1, Poli 1, GoldenEagle 1)
(126) MartinD votes Darth Vilus (dubb93 3, Darth Vilus 3, saldana 2, Kwhit 1, EagleFan 1, Poli 1, GoldenEagle 1)
(127) RealDeal unvotes GoldenEagle, votes Kwhit (dubb93 3, Darth Vilus 3, saldana 2, Kwhit 2, EagleFan 1, Poli 1)
(128) PurdueBrad votes Kwhit (dubb93 3, Darth Vilus 3, Kwhit 3, saldana 2, EagleFan 1, Poli 1)
(131) Autumn votes saldana (dubb93 3, Darth Vilus 3, Kwhit 3, saldana 3, EagleFan 1, Poli 1)
(135) Danny votes saldana (saldana 4, dubb93 3, Darth Vilus 3, Kwhit 3, EagleFan 1, Poli 1)
(154) Schmidty unvotes Poli, votes Darth Vilus (saldana 4, Darth Vilus 4, dubb93 3, Kwhit 3, EagleFan 1)
(160) PurdueBrad unvotes Kwhit, votes Darth Vilus (Darth Vilus 5, saldana 4, dubb93 3, Kwhit 2, EagleFan 1)
(166) Kwhit votes Darth Vilus (Darth Vilus 6, saldana 4, dubb93 3, Kwhit 2, EagleFan 1)
(171) GoldenEagle votes saldana (Darth Vilus 6, saldana 5, dubb93 3, Kwhit 2, EagleFan 1)
(173) saldana unvotes dubb93, votes Darth Vilus (Darth Vilus 7, saldana 5, dubb93 2, Kwhit 2, EagleFan 1)
(187) dubb93 unvotes Darth Vilus, votes saldana (Darth Vilus 6, saldana 6, dubb93 2, Kwhit 2, EagleFan 1)
(220) EagleFan unvotes Kwhit, votes saldana (saldana 7, Darth Vilus 6, dubb93 2, Kwhit 1, EagleFan 1)
(221) CrimsonFox unvotes dubb93, votes Darth Vilus (saldana 7, Darth Vilus 7, dubb93 2, EagleFan 1)
(222) claphamsa unvotes saldana
(224) claphamsa votes saldana (saldana 7, Darth Vilus 7, dubb93 2, EagleFan 1)
(226) Autumn unvotes saldana, votes Darth Vilus (Darth Vilus 8, saldana 6, dubb93 2, EagleFan 1)
Day Two Votes
(284) Dubb votes for EF (EF 1)
(322) EF votes for Render (EF 1, Render 1)
(329) Schmidty votes for EF (EF 2, Render 1)
(333) **Render takes over for Dubb**
(349) Poli votes for CF (EF 2, Render 1, CF 1)
(354) Autumn votes for EF (EF 3, Render 1, CF 1)
Plan comes together
(364) PB votes for Render (EF 3, Render 2, CF 1)
(365) RealDeal votes for EF (EF 4, Render 2, CF 1)
(366) J23 votes for PB (EF 4, Render 2, CF 1, PB 1)
(367) Saldana votes for Kwhit (EF 4, Render 2, CF 1, PB 1, Kwhit 1)
(368) Clap votes for RealDeal (EF 4, Render 2, CF 1, PB 1, Kwhit 1, RD 1)
(373) Jackal votes for Poli (EF 4, Render 2, CF 1, PB 1, Kwhit 1, RD 1, Poli 1)
(379) Autumn unvotes EF, votes for GE (EF 3, Render 2, CF 1, PB 1, Kwhit 1, RD 1, Poli 1, GE 1)
(380) Poli unvotes CF, votes for MartinD (EF 3, Render 2, PB 1, Kwhit 1, RD 1, Poli 1, GE 1, MartinD 1)
(382) EF unvotes Render, votes for CF (EF 3, Render 1, PB 1, Kwhit 1, RD 1, Poli 1, GE 1, MartinD 1, CF 1)
(384) MartinD votes for EF (EF 4, Render 1, PB 1, Kwhit 1, RD 1, Poli 1, GE 1, MartinD 1, CF 1)
(391) Spleen votes for Schmidty (EF 4, Render 1, PB 1, Kwhit 1, RD 1, Poli 1, GE 1, MartinD 1, CF 1, Schmidty 1)
(398) Kwhit votes for Clap (EF 4, Render 1, PB 1, Kwhit 1, RD 1, Poli 1, GE 1, MartinD 1, CF 1, Schmidty 1, Clap 1)
(412) CF votes for Saldana (EF 4, Render 1, PB 1, Kwhit 1, RD 1, Poli 1, GE 1, MartinD 1, CF 1, Schmidty 1, Clap 1, Saldana 1)
(434) **Lathum announces that Dubb's vote did not count** (EF 3, Render 1, PB 1, Kwhit 1, RD 1, Poli 1, GE 1, MartinD 1, CF 1, Schmidty 1, Clap 1, Saldana 1)
(443) MartinD votes Autumn *DID NOT UNVOTE, NOT COUNTED*
(446) GE votes for J23 (EF 3, Render 1, PB 1, Kwhit 1, RD 1, Poli 1, GE 1, MartinD 1, CF 1, Schmidty 1, Clap 1, Saldana 1, J23 1)
(450) CF unvotes Saldana, votes for EF (EF 3, Render 1, PB 1, Kwhit 1, RD 1, Poli 1, GE 1, MartinD 1, CF 1, Schmidty 1, Clap 1, J23 1)
(463) Render votes for Saldana (EF 3, Render 1, PB 1, Kwhit 1, RD 1, Poli 1, GE 1, MartinD 1, CF 1, Schmidty 1, Clap 1, Saldana 1, J23 1)
(465) CF unvotes EF, votes for RealDeal (EF 3, Render 1, PB 1, Kwhit 1, RD 2, Poli 1, GE 1, MartinD 1, CF 1, Schmidty 1, Clap 1, Saldana 1, J23 1)
(500) EF unvotes CF, votes for RealDeal (EF 3, Render 1, PB 1, Kwhit 1, RD 3, Poli 1, GE 1, MartinD 1, Schmidty 1, Clap 1, Saldana 1, J23 1)
(528) J23 unvotes PB (EF 3, Render 1, Kwhit 1, RD 3, Poli 1, GE 1, MartinD 1, Schmidty 1, Clap 1, Saldana 1, J23 1)
(530) Render unvotes Saldana, votes for Schmidty (EF 3, Render 1, Kwhit 1, RD 3, Poli 1, GE 1, MartinD 1, Schmidty 2, Clap 1, J23 1)
(531) Autumn unvotes GE, votes for Kwhit (EF 3, Render 1, Kwhit 2, RD 3, Poli 1, MartinD 1, Schmidty 2, Clap 1, J23 1)
(536) GE unvotes J23 (EF 3, Render 1, Kwhit 2, RD 3, Poli 1, MartinD 1, Schmidty 2, Clap 1)
(541) J23 votes for Schmidty (EF 3, Render 1, Kwhit 2, RD 3, Poli 1, MartinD 1, Schmidty 3, Clap 1)
(542) GE votes RealDeal (EF 3, Render 1, Kwhit 2, RD 4, Poli 1, MartinD 1, Schmidty 3, Clap 1)
(551) Clap unvotes RealDeal, votes Kwhit (EF 3, Render 1, Kwhit 3, RD 3, Poli 1, MartinD 1, Schmidty 3, Clap 1)
(571) Clap unvotes Kwhit, votes EF (EF 4, Render 1, Kwhit 2, RD 3, Poli 1, MartinD 1, Schmidty 3, Clap 1)
(577) GE unvotes RealDeal, votes Schmidty (EF 4, Render 1, Kwhit 2, RD 2, Poli 1, MartinD 1, Schmidty 4, Clap 1)
(581) EF unvotes RealDeal, votes Schmidty (EF 4, Render 1, Kwhit 2, RD 1, Poli 1, MartinD 1, Schmidty 5, Clap 1)
(584) J23 unvotes Schmidty, votes EF (EF 5, Render 1, Kwhit 2, RD 1, Poli 1, MartinD 1, Schmidty 4, Clap 1)

[MartinD]

Caught up...

I'm minded to vote for RealDeal at this point in time - the 'engineer a mass tie' plan was a pretty simple concept, and was guaranteed to find us a wolf if everyone signed up.

I'd like to hear RealDeal's reasons for not signing up to the plan, as this seems more than a little suspicious to me - 'something was bound to go wrong' or 'that's not how the game is supposed to be played' aren't good enough reasons in my opinion...

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

im not sure how people can say I deviated.... there were a good number of people not follwing the plan, so I went for the most likly wolf.

Originally Posted by J23

When you changed your vote Clap, we had a 4-way tie, which would have narrowed down the warlock substantially. It accomplished what we were trying to do most of the day(though not quite as accurately as the plan). Changing it with 10 minutes to go caused the scramble. That's why people are saying you deviated.

Bingo. Clap freaked out and went over to EF within moments of the deadline, when we had a 4 person TIE at the time. Thats not following the plan, thats intentionally fracking it up =)

So whats your next defense clap? too drunk to read all the posts? Overcome by blood lust for EF (whom you claimed was the wolf all along)? Too much starch in your tighty whitey's? come on clap FESS UP!

[J23]

In putting together that massive vote history, I came across something that's enough to move my vote

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

This plan is never going to work. Someone could change the vote the KWhit and screw him over. I was never happy with the plan to begin with and I made that clear. All we are going to end up with is a big clusterfuck.

If the warlock is in the game, then one of them voted for EF.

Originally Posted by claphamsa

hmm yes... this shall not work!

onvtoe kwit
vote EF

Clap's post there is at 8:58. KWhit's vote was still on Clap, even though he was around at deadline for all of this discussion AND he was on the block. Some of CF's vote counts just fail to show his vote.

I think Clap and Kwhit could both definately be wolves.

unvote Realdeal
vote Clap

[J23]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Bingo. Clap freaked out and went over to EF within moments of the deadline, when we had a 4 person TIE at the time. Thats not following the plan, thats intentionally fracking it up =)

So whats your next defense clap? too drunk to read all the posts? Overcome by blood lust for EF (whom you claimed was the wolf all along)? Too much starch in your tighty whitey's? come on clap FESS UP!

Oh, and I said 10 minutes to go when it was actually only 2. It must have just seemed like a long 2 minutes..

[RendeR]

Lets also not forget that J23's last minute shift SAVED Schmidty and doomed EF. Schmidty would have been the lynch without that change.

[J23]

Unless the warlock was on EF. That would have caused a tie.

[RendeR]

We couldn't know that for certain, so based on the known quantities you saved someone specifically from being lynched and got someone who is now known to be a villager killed.

[saldana]

vote clap

too many last second shenanigans.

[J23]

True, it saved schmidty either way. Honestly, that wasn't my intent. I was trying to force the tie at the time and have the kill give us some information.

[claphamsa]

meh

[Autumn]

I suspect that there was at least one wolf up there in the voting at the last minutes. That spurred some of these last second changes. It's not clear to me who was protecting who, but I think clap is a good start.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by J23

In putting together that massive vote history, I came across something that's enough to move my vote




Clap's post there is at 8:58. KWhit's vote was still on Clap, even though he was around at deadline for all of this discussion AND he was on the block. Some of CF's vote counts just fail to show his vote.

I think Clap and Kwhit could both definately be wolves.

unvote Realdeal
vote Clap

I'm confused. You think I am a wolf? Why?

Because I stuck with the original plan? And then kept my vote out of the mix because we had a 4 person tie? I was trying to go with the will of the village and trying to out the warlock.

I didn't want to make any last minute switches that would fuck everything up (which is exactly what happened). Even if I was in some danger.

I have no idea how that makes me suspicious.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by saldana

i am not a big fan of the fact that clap has been causing a load of drama at the deadline both days...that is just screaming Death Knight at me

i will wait to vote to see if the newly rezzed Mage has anything to tell us.

This statement not true. On day 1 he tried to save the vote after EF changed his vote by unvoting for saldana, then when he saw that I did the same thing, voted saldana to refix it. Autumn then did an even bigger move by moving off of saldana onto DV. So EF caused the drama the first day.

As for day 2. there were really about 6 different people that caused the last minute drama, myself included. Not sure why this is all clapbased. I'm not saying for sure anymore either way, but yesterday's deadline vote is not damning ONLY to clap.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by KWhit

So I mentioned seeing my wife's commercial last night. Here it is, for those of you that don't venture out into the Off Topic forum. She's the bride.

wow she IS hawt. Really tall too! (That's a good thing IMO)

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

and by druid i of course meant rogue

I was just about to correct you on the death day 1

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Just to clear up any confusion, GE CAN NOT scan tonight. He needs to drink his melon juice and eat his curiously tasty omlette.

Oh God! clap is the Chicken Lady!

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Damn. The resurrection was wasted.

Not wasted if a villager is brought back to life.
Incidently now that it's no secret, whom did you scan so far?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I'm confused. You think I am a wolf? Why?

Because I stuck with the original plan? And then kept my vote out of the mix because we had a 4 person tie? I was trying to go with the will of the village and trying to out the warlock.

I didn't want to make any last minute switches that would fuck everything up (which is exactly what happened). Even if I was in some danger.

I have no idea how that makes me suspicious.

I too am interested AGAIN for the third time in this game why Kwhit "is a definite wolf". Is it a personal history thing? Or does one of the wolves really got it out for you. Kwhit I'd look at just who all is calling you a wolf when you haven't honestly done a wolfish thing.

[MartinD]

Vote count as of post 739:

RealDeal - 2: CrimsonFox (648), The Jackal (717)
J23 - 2: RendeR (650), GoldenEagle (716)
claphamsa - 5: Poli (677), spleen1015 (687), Autumn (688), J23 (724), saldana (729)

[CrimsonFox]

Votecount (Unofficial of course)

RealDeal - +CrimsonFox (648) +J23 (685) +Jackal (717) -J23 (724) = 2
J23 - +Render (650) +GoldenEagle (716) +RealDeal(720) = 3
Clap - +Spleen (687) +Autumn (688) +J23(724) +saldana(729) = 4


Noteworthy: J23 changed his vote from RD to Clap fo go from 3-2-2 to 2-3-3.

[CrimsonFox]

D'oh! You beat me to it And I missed Poli's.

RealDeal - +CrimsonFox (648) +J23 (685) +Jackal (717) -J23 (724) = 2
J23 - +Render (650) +GoldenEagle (716) +RealDeal(720) = 3
Clap - +poli (677) +Spleen (687) +Autumn (688) +J23(724) +saldana(729) = 5

[J23]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I too am interested AGAIN for the third time in this game why Kwhit "is a definite wolf". Is it a personal history thing? Or does one of the wolves really got it out for you. Kwhit I'd look at just who all is calling you a wolf when you haven't honestly done a wolfish thing.

I didn't say KWhit "is a definite wolf". If you're going to quote me, please quote me accurately. I said they "could definately be wolves".

Perhaps I phrased it stronger than I should have. I should have said that I think Clap is definately a wolf, and I am very untrusting of KWhit right now.

My vote is on Clap because I think that he's definately a wolf. I think KWhit looks suspicious because of two reasons.
1) Clap (who I think is a wolf) moved off of him onto EF. The fact that Clap was on him in the first place makes me give this reason less weight, but it is still worth mentiong.
2) KWhit was around at the end when things went crazy, and yet left his vote somewhere that it would not make an impact. We talk about "wasted" votes quite often in our games, and to be on at deadline participating in the discussion and not moving it makes me quite suspicious.

[CrimsonFox]

My reaction was due to not specifically your quote but that's like the 3rd time kwhit has been thrown under the lynch bus. How did he get on it to begin with?

I do see about the "moving off" thing. The "not voting at the end" thing doesn't prove anything to me. I did the same thing (did not change my vote) as I no doubt would have butted heads with others doing the same thing for the second day in a row.

[MartinD]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

D'oh! You beat me to it And I missed Poli's.

RealDeal - +CrimsonFox (648) +J23 (685) +Jackal (717) -J23 (724) = 2
J23 - +Render (650) +GoldenEagle (716) +RealDeal(720) = 3
Clap - +poli (677) +Spleen (687) +Autumn (688) +J23(724) +saldana(729) = 5

Agree with this - missed RealDeal at post 720...

[J23]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I do see about the "moving off" thing. The "not voting at the end" thing doesn't prove anything to me. I did the same thing (did not change my vote) as I no doubt would have butted heads with others doing the same thing for the second day in a row.

The difference being that KWhit was in the mix for people to be lynched up until 2 minutes until deadline. Maybe I should take it as going along w/ the 4-way tie and being scared to move when votes were flying. What I am wary of is it being a wolf not wanting to draw attention to himself because he knows a villager is going to be lynched.

[CrimsonFox]

*nod* I'll buy that.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by J23

The difference being that KWhit was in the mix for people to be lynched up until 2 minutes until deadline. Maybe I should take it as going along w/ the 4-way tie and being scared to move when votes were flying. What I am wary of is it being a wolf not wanting to draw attention to himself because he knows a villager is going to be lynched.

Have you seen the amount of suspicion everyone else has gotten when they moved their vote late-ish to go against the "flush out the warlock" strategy?

Why in the world would I want to do that?

Especially when you consider that one of 3 things was going to happen last night:

1) We'd end the voting with a 4 way tie and depending on the result, we'd narrow down where the warlock was.
2) A wolf would move their vote late to lynch me or another villager.
3) A villager would say screw this plan and put their vote on EF, who was the obvious target yesterday.

All three of these were acceptable outcomes as far as I was concerned. With #1, we would learn a lot of good information about the warlock. With #2, we'd likely have a 1 for 1 trade between a wolf and a villager. And #3 at the time looked fine because I thought EF looked like a wolf (just like pretty much everyone else who wasn't the seer).

So I stuck with the plan and waited to see what happened. I really don't like the way you're trying discredit me or tie me to Clap.

Frankly, I'd be happy with voting for either one of you today. But because his late switch that went against the warlock hunt strategy, I'm going to:

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

[MartinD]

Three obvious candidates today - don't see much point in bringing anyone else into the picture at this point...

I've already posted my thoughts on RealDeal - definitely suspicious, but he's currently third of three in terms of the votes.

The case for claphamsa is fairly obvious (breaking the tie late being the main 'charge'), and has been stated (in no uncertain terms!) by a few people above. On the flip side, I always have a tough time judging claphamsa - he's definitely got a very distinctive playing and posting style.

Regarding J23 - I haven't looked through the posts in detail, but it seems that his (very) late vote switch last night is the main trigger for the votes in his direction. On the surface, the switch effectively condemned EagleFan instead of Schmidty, but the possible presence of the warlock may mean that there were other reasons for the switch. Of course, it could just be a villager making a late switch for perfectly sensible reasons, and getting the brunt of the fallout when the result of the switch is bad for the village. (I'll get off the fence now - starting to get worried I'll end up with splinters...)

Even though I have a tough time reading clap, his actions so far definitely don't look good - that said, I'm not sure that it benefits the village for there to be a runaway in the lynch vote, so:

VOTE J23

While J23 is probably my third choice of the three candidates, I think that a vote for RealDeal is wasted at this point, and voting for claphamsa puts him way out in front.

(The vote isn't set in stone, though - may change this later on, if there's good enough reason.)

[J23]

Originally Posted by KWhit

So I stuck with the plan and waited to see what happened. I really don't like the way you're trying discredit me or tie me to Clap.

I pointed out the reasons why I don't trust you. I even listed possible explanations for both of them. I'm not even voting for you right now, but since I'm #2 in line to by lynched, I'm going to air my thoughts in case I'm unable to do so in the near future.