Werewolf 107, Terror at Blizzcon, Basic Game, GAME OVER, HORDE WINS

[Lathum]

You all wake up the next morning and are on your way to a seminar on how to shower while playing WoW when you notice Saldana is missing, you all run to his room and find his mangled body. The door was forced open and it appeared Saldana put up a good fight but was overcome in the end. An axe and polearm lay at his feet. Saldana was the warrior and has been night killed.

[RealDeal]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I think this game is a perfect example of what not to do as a vanilla villager.

I assume you are referring to yourself.

Keep up the good work!

[Poli]

Good lord.

[PurdueBrad]

Guh, that leaves us role-less and with a one person COT.

[Lathum]

We will have the usual deadline tomorrow then break for the weekend and have the D6 deadline Monday.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by RealDeal

I assume you are referring to yourself.

Keep up the good work!

I could pull a dubb and curse you out but your idiotic play doesn't deserve the luxury. Good riddance.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Guh, that leaves us role-less and with a one person COT.

And yeah, we're pretty boned unless we pull what we did last game.

[The Jackal]

Before I say something stupid I'll apologize for calling your play idiotic, RD, but seriously, when you do something suspicious because you're being stubborn don't go and fling crap at someone else. Man up and realize you made a bad play.

[Autumn]

Wow, how are they nailing the roled players so easily? This happened last game too. Argh.

[RendeR]

Jackal: You were the only other person with more than one vote (I think) when I cast mine, I was just beaten the bushes to try and get someone else involved in the vote to see if we could get some movement either way, nothing took, the wolves had their man dead to rights already. Sorry.

I got nothing at this point. We're fooked.

[RealDeal]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Before I say something stupid I'll apologize for calling your play idiotic, RD, but seriously, when you do something suspicious because you're being stubborn don't go and fling crap at someone else. Man up and realize you made a bad play.

I wasn't the one who orchestrated a runaway vote on a villager.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by RealDeal

I wasn't the one who orchestrated a runaway vote on a villager.

Since when does me casting one vote count as orchestration? For christ's sake I was the ONLY PERSON who even tried to discuss your innocence with you. Screw off.

[The Jackal]

DUBB SAVE ME FROM THESE PEOPLE

[The Jackal]

I'm drunk and pissed off. I really hate referees.

[dubb93]

Did someone request a cool head?

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Did someone request a cool head?

Yes, thank you.

[Autumn]

Looking at Day 1 where we had Darth and Saldana in the running should be our best bet for clues. Unfortunately we can see that we had quitea number of villagers putting Saldana up in the lynch count. Despite that, I have to think one wolf is among those trying to get the vote away from Darth. I'm going back to my Dubb/Render vote unless someone finds something meatier.

vote RendeR

[CrimsonFox]

VOTE RENDER/DUBB

[The Jackal]

Do give some explanation with your vote, CF, when you get back tomorrow. I'm afraid it's going to turn into a runaway again, because I too am leaning towards that vote.

[Poli]

vote spleen
I don't want this to be a runaway and noone has voiced
good or bad thoughts about him thus far.

[J23]

Day 1:
DV-8- J23 (100), MartinD (126) Schmidty (154) PD (160) Kwhit (166) Sal (173) Crimson (221) Autumn (226)
Saldana-6- Spleen (74) Clap (122) ) Danny (135) GE (171) Dubb (187) EF (220)
Kwhit-1 RealDeal (127)
Dubb-1 DV (120)
EF-1-Poli (80)
Day 2:
EF-5-Realdeal (365), Schmidty (329), MartinD (384) clap (571) J23 (584)
Realdeal-1-CF (465)
Schmidty-4-Spleen (391) Render(530) GE (577) EF (581)
Kwhit-2- Sal ( 367) Autumn (531)
Render-1-PB (364)
Poli-1-Jackal (373)
MartinD-1-Poli (380)
Clap - Kwhit (398)
Day 3:
RealDeal-9-Poli (822)Jackal (826), Autumn (854), MartinD (857),CF (858), Saldana (860), Schmidty (862), Kwhit (866)J23 (870)
Jackal-2-Spleen (828), Render (865)
Render-1-PB (818)

[PurdueBrad]

I know this will probably turn into a run-away but I'm going to continue to vote on my gut reaction to dubb's play this game compared to his play last game. I'm also mildly intrigued at how neither my votes for dubb/RendeR or yesterday's Jackal vote never got any legs or push.

vote dubb/RendeR

[J23]

Day 1:

DV-8- J23 (100), MartinD (126) Schmidty (154) PB (160) Kwhit (166) Saldana(173) Crimson (221) Autumn (226)
Saldana-6- Spleen (74) Clap (122) ) Danny (135) GE (171) Dubb (187) EF (220)
Kwhit-1 RealDeal (127)
Dubb-1 DV (120)
EF-1-Poli (80)

Day 2:

EF-5-Realdeal (365), Schmidty (329), MartinD (384) clap (571) J23 (584)
Realdeal-1-CF (465)
Schmidty-4-Spleen (391) Render(530) GE (577) EF (581)
Kwhit-2- Sal ( 367) Autumn (531)
Render-1-PB (364)
Poli-1-Jackal (373)
MartinD-1-Poli (380)
Clap - Kwhit (398)

Day 3:

RealDeal-9-Poli (822)Jackal (826), Autumn (854), MartinD (857),CF (858), Saldana (860), Schmidty (862), Kwhit (866)J23 (870)
Jackal-2-Spleen (828), Render (865)
Render-1-PB (818)

Now color coded, and a bit easier to read (hopefully). Pasting into the quick reply from notebook isn't ideal.

I'm going to hold off on voting Render, since DV voted for him(well, dub) on day 1 when there were a lot of options. Yes, sometimes wolves vote for each other to throw people off, but as the cunning, I'm not sure he makes that play that early. I think I'm going to take a long look at the UTR folks. Unfortunately, we have an awful lot of them this game.

[spleen1015]

One of the things I was looking at yesterday was the late swapping on Day 1.

Autumn moves because he likes the tie. I think this was a mistake that helped get a wolf lynched. My thinking is that Autumn wanted a tie so that the warlock's extra vote would be the kill shot. So, I was thinking dubb/render is the warlock since everyone else on saldana is a villager and they don't want DV dead since he is a wolf.

dubb/render is the Warlock and Autumn is a fellow wolf. Autumn votes switches to keep it a tie, but makes a mistake that gets DV lynched instead. With all of the late vote swapping, I think it would be easy to screw this up especially when you're making hasty decisions trying to save the cunning wolf.

This is what I saw yesterday. What contradicts it is thee is conversation prior to this where the Warlock gets mentioned. Autumn even mentions it. Saldana posts reminding us not to forget about it, and Autumn does a little later on.

So, the contradiction to my theory of Autumn and dubb/render being a wolf is that I don't think a wolf would warn us about the warlock.

[Autumn]

Um, you realize I'm the priest and resurrected GE, right?

[J23]

You do realise that Autumn revealed as the priest, and hasn't been disputed, right? That's another thing that contradicts it.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Um, you realize I'm the priest and resurrected GE, right?

Well, bloody hell. I forgot about that.

I'm not any good at this.

[The Jackal]

You'd think there would be at least one wolf on saldana, would 2-3 wolves really be voting for the cunning on day 1? I think there's a high probability that 2 of spleen, rendubb, and poli are wolves. Early voters on DV draw my interest as well.

[J23]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

You'd think there would be at least one wolf on saldana, would 2-3 wolves really be voting for the cunning on day 1? I think there's a high probability that 2 of spleen, rendubb, and poli are wolves. Early voters on DV draw my interest as well.

Well, neither Spleen or Render can be the warlock since EF got lynched on day 2 rather than a tie.

[Autumn]

Yeah, that's my thinking on Dubb/Render. It's hard to believe there would be no late wolf votes on Saldana. I agree that we have to find at least one wolf among those three, possibly more.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by J23

Well, neither Spleen or Render can be the warlock since EF got lynched on day 2 rather than a tie.

Then it could very well be Poli.

[Autumn]

Well, we don't necessarily know there's a warlock, but that's a good point, J23. Poli seems a solid vote to me as well, he keeps setting off my Wolf Sense, but I haven't found anything to pin it to.

[Poli]

Not sure what I can say about me being a solid choice...with the way things are going...I guess I am about as good a choice as any.

Fwiw, my small cot consists of autumn and kwhit.

My bad guy radar wants me to look at spleen, pb, and j23

[J23]

Why is kwhit in your cot?

[J23]

dola-

I ask because it seems he's doing less analysis than I remember him doing in previous games. He and PB both for that matter seem less active than I remember them typically being

[The Jackal]

VOTE RENDUBB

Process of elimination really, hard to believe there weren't wolves on sal.

[Poli]

I just have a good feeling about him for some reason. It seems to me that he's brought up some good points.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by J23

He and PB both for that matter seem less active than I remember them typically being

Yeah, I actually have been and I don't know if it is burnout (need to take a game off) or what. I've checked in a lot but posted very little. I guess that's about as honest an assessment as I can give you. I feel 'off' my game and the best read I feel I have is still from a players that dropped out after D1.

The other thing I will say is that I was extremely disappointed that in a game with as easy a role as the warlock to smoke out, that we couldn't pull it off.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by J23

Why is kwhit in your cot?

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

But really, let him up in the bed, man.

[J23]

you're in it w/ him autumn!

[MartinD]

Vote count at 940:

RendeR - 4: Autumn (917), CrimsonFox (918), PurdueBrad (922), The Jackal (936)
spleen1015 - 1: Poli (920)

[RendeR]

Hrm, well DV voting for Dubb day 1 would normally tell me that Dubb was fine. As others stated it would be a pretty chancy play for the cunning to vote another wolf day D1. Especially with all the voting hijinx that went on that day as well.

Since taking over for Dubb I've tried to go along with "plans" and moved my vote where I felt it was more needed. I even tried to AVOID the runaway vote on yet another villager yesterday.

What else can I say? I've done nothing but support the village. I am a vanilla villager with no role to offer you.

Worst part is I can't even stick around to defend myself. I'll be out all night.

I think there are far better options than myself for tonights lynch with what we know right now. There are others with more dubious moves/actions/statements than myself.

I have nothing on spleen, at all. but I have to try and defend my position somehow.


Vote SPLEEN

[J23]

vote Poli

I also don't want a runaway, but I think Poli is a better choice than Spleen.

[J23]

(917) Autumn votes Render (Render 1)
(918) CF votes Render (Render 2)
(920) Poli votes Spleen (Render 2, Spleen 1)
(922) PB votes Render (Render 3, Spleen 1)
(936) Jackal votes Render (Render 4, Spleen 1)
(942) Render votes Spleen (Render 4, Spleen 2)
(943) J23 votes Poli (Render 4, Spleen 2, Poli 1)

If Poli doesn't get any traction, I'll likely move to Spleen rather than seeing another runaway. We really didn't learn much of anything with Clap's death yesterday (still can't believe he wasnt a wolf).

[spleen1015]

Like many folks, I don't have any reason to vote for anyone at this point. I think us villagers are in real trouble. We don't know jack and we keep killing each other.

I know I am just as easy to vote for as anyone else. I'm a vanilla villager though, so you're hurting the village if you lynch me.

Since I can't vote for myself and I don't want it to be a runaway...

VOTE POLI

[Poli]

Like render I won't be here tonite...I have a date. I find myself getting lynched in days where I have interest and I'm not online at the deadline...so please note my trust and untrust list...I'd likely add schmidty tithe trust list but that is my history of playing with him talking. That's why I asked if he had a role last game.

[RendeR]

Last chance for me to be here, seeing the swing I'll bring us closer since its in my best interest:

UNVOTE SPLEEN

VOTE POLI

[RendeR]

I'm out till tomorrow

[Autumn]

I think REnder and Poli are a pretty good runoff.

[MartinD]

I'm finding it difficult to get any decent impressions of the players in this game - just feels like there's very little to work with. It appears that there are three candidates again today - I don't have enough of a reason to bring someone else into the equation (at least, enough to be able to make a sufficiently good case to persuade others to join me), so will be voting for one of the three.

None of the three players with their necks on the line voted for Darth Vilus on Day 1 - in fact, they're the only three players remaining who didn't vote for DV (The Jackal didn't vote on Day 1, if I'm reading the vote histories right). I'm not an expert on Werewolf strategy, but it would be a bit of a shock to me if all of the remaining wolves voted to lynch the cunning wolf in a Day 1 vote.

So what else do we have on RendeR, spleen1015 and Poli? Not very much, as far as I can see. Based on the Day 2 vote, neither RendeR or spleen1015 is the warlock (as that would have meant a tied vote) - that doesn't really tell us much, though, as it's still possible for either to be a wolf, and it's also possible that the warlock role isn't in the game (as per the rules post).

At this point, we need more information - we're not going to get that if we have another runaway lynch vote, so I'm not going to vote for RendeR. Checking up on the posts made since I started typing up this post, it seems that there's been a move towards having a RendeR-Poli run-off. In the interests of keeping things close:

VOTE POLI

This vote is not set in stone, as I don't have any reason to think that Poli more likely to be a wolf than RendeR (or pretty much anyone else!) - will be checking back later on, and await further developments with interest...