NFL 2021 Regular Season Thread

[Thomkal]

Yeah it was looking great, going to get at least a FG if not TD, then it looked pretty horrible. Not sure they deserved to win, GB in control most of the game. And Murray was injured at the end of the game,,,sigh

[bhlloy]

So does Matt Nagy not being able to coach this weekend move the line in the Bears favor?

[SirFozzie]

Man, the Lions can't catch a break. An offsetting penalty was taken off the board because the QB accidentally stepped out of bounds before throwing a pass (negating an ineligible man downfield penalty that would have offset a Lions penalty in a goal to go situation)

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

So does Matt Nagy not being able to coach this weekend move the line in the Bears favor?

It should have.

[NobodyHere]

So are there any prospects this year worthy of the number one overall pick?

[Bobble]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

So are there any prospects this year worthy of the number one overall pick?

Oregon's Kayvon Thibodeaux?

[GrantDawg]

The Falcons defense is just putrid, and Calvin Ridley just announced he stepping away from football. Such a mess of an organization.

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[GrantDawg]

That was a fun little trick play for the two point conversion for the Jets.

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[Ksyrup]

Not a stellar day for the Ohio NFL teams.

[Ksyrup]

That was the worst call I've ever seen in the Jets/Bengals game. Dude lowered himself to hit the guy in the stomach and the ball carrier crouched down and got swiped in the head. That just simply can't be a thing. There has to be some way to call penalties on ball carriers in the name of "player safety." They are in control of where their body is going, not the defender.

[Thomkal]

No not a great call there KSyrup, but man Bengals, such a good game last week followed up with such a bad game.

[JPhillips]

It's the hope that always kills Cincy fans.

[Ksyrup]

Looks like Jameis may have a serious knee injury.

[SirFozzie]

Where the fuck is the Broncos heads at?

First the incomplete where they could've made the WFT use all their timeouts to get the ball back with :30 to play, then the running back just had it punched loose.

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Where the fuck is the Broncos heads at?

First the incomplete where they could've made the WFT use all their timeouts to get the ball back with :30 to play, then the running back just had it punched loose.

Same question to the Saints. Took 16 seconds off the clock with three plays after the 2-minute warning, leaving Brady 1:41 and one TO to get a FG to win

[AlexB]

Dola, but of course NO have a pick-6. Guess they knew what they were doing after all!

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by AlexB

Dola, but of course NO have a pick-6. Guess they knew what they were doing after all!

But even that, all they needed to do was fall down and the game was victory formation.

Just.. apparently Belichick used up all the endgame smarts.

[Brian Swartz]

I think the Lions may be trolling the NFL this year.

Play a good team? Show the league that they aren't really that good.

Play a bad team? Remind everyone that there's a definition of bad nobody else is capable of but Detroit.

[Ksyrup]

Dallas drafted Mike White who threw for 400+ yards for the Jets today but are starting Cooper Rush tonight with Will Grier backing up and might wish they had activated Kellen Moore by the end of this one.

[Brian Swartz]

Dak who?

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

But even that, all they needed to do was fall down and the game was victory formation.

Just.. apparently Belichick used up all the endgame smarts.

Watching the replay, you could see his teammate consider pushing him out of bounds and deciding not to. Considering that they ended up winning, it was kind of a funny moment.

It would, of course, be an all-time blunder if the Bucs managed to come back.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

That was the worst call I've ever seen in the Jets/Bengals game. Dude lowered himself to hit the guy in the stomach and the ball carrier crouched down and got swiped in the head. That just simply can't be a thing. There has to be some way to call penalties on ball carriers in the name of "player safety." They are in control of where their body is going, not the defender.

Not a good call at all, but if you're losing by 3 to the Jets there who's fault is it really

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

That was the worst call I've ever seen in the Jets/Bengals game. Dude lowered himself to hit the guy in the stomach and the ball carrier crouched down and got swiped in the head. That just simply can't be a thing. There has to be some way to call penalties on ball carriers in the name of "player safety." They are in control of where their body is going, not the defender.

Unless they have reversed course, there is a rule penalizing ball carriers for lowering their heads.

NFL owners end tuck rule, approve helmet penalty

A couple of key parts.

The most debate came with the crown of the helmet hits rule, which will affect running backs the most. As of Tuesday, the competition committee felt as though it was only one vote away from passing. After further discussion, the vote was 31-1 with the Cincinnati Bengals voting against.

It will now be a 15-yard penalty if a player who is more than three yards downfield or outside of the tackle box delivers a blow with the crown of his helmet. If the offensive and defensive player each lowers his head and uses the crown of the helmet to make contact, each will be penalized.

St. Louis Rams coach Jeff Fisher, co-chairman of the league's competition committee, said the rule doesn't prohibit a runner from using his facemask or hairline part of his helmet.

[Ksyrup]

I can't find it now, but there was a twitter thread about how few calls go against the offense on these plays. And the issue for me isn't so much the offensive player "delivering a blow" with the crown of the helmet. It's the defender getting penalized when both players' helmets touch because the offensive player has changed his trajectory a split second before impact. On the play in question, the defender prepared to hit the midsection of the runner and by the time they hit each other, the player had crouched down and their helmets hit.

In this case, it was both - not only did the offensive player crouch down, but he initiated contact with the helmet. Terrible call. And if that's a correct call "by the book," they need to burn it and start over.

I read the referee's comments afterward, and he was an asshole about it - "I'm not here to tell people how to tackle correctly, he could have hit him with the shoulder I suppose." Looked to me like he was coming in with the shoulder and the offensive player caused the helmet contact. You cannot remove the defender's head to ensure that all contact is not going to involve the helmet. I'm all for player safety, but the offensive players should be held to the same standard as the defense. Especially since they are ultimately in control of where they are going.

[miami_fan]

Woah!

Sources - Tennessee Titans RB Derrick Henry suffered potentially season-ending foot injury

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I can't find it now, but there was a twitter thread about how few calls go against the offense on these plays. And the issue for me isn't so much the offensive player "delivering a blow" with the crown of the helmet. It's the defender getting penalized when both players' helmets touch because the offensive player has changed his trajectory a split second before impact. On the play in question, the defender prepared to hit the midsection of the runner and by the time they hit each other, the player had crouched down and their helmets hit.

In this case, it was both - not only did the offensive player crouch down, but he initiated contact with the helmet. Terrible call. And if that's a correct call "by the book," they need to burn it and start over.

I read the referee's comments afterward, and he was an asshole about it - "I'm not here to tell people how to tackle correctly, he could have hit him with the shoulder I suppose." Looked to me like he was coming in with the shoulder and the offensive player caused the helmet contact. You cannot remove the defender's head to ensure that all contact is not going to involve the helmet. I'm all for player safety, but the offensive players should be held to the same standard as the defense. Especially since they are ultimately in control of where they are going.

In cases like that, there is really no excuse to not allow the penalty to be reviewable

[Ksyrup]

Video of the hit is in this article.

Head Referee Craig Wrolstad Explains Unnecessary Roughness Penalty in Bengals' Loss to Jets - Sports Illustrated Cincinnati Bengals News, Analysis and More

[NobodyHere]

Yeah, it looks like the Jet player's helmet made a bee-line straight to the defender's helmet. Not sure what the defender is suppose to do in that situation.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Woah!

Sources - Tennessee Titans RB Derrick Henry suffered potentially season-ending foot injury

Man, the hits keep coming. Pretty soon they are going to have to call fans on the field to play at this rate.

[Ksyrup]

My daughter called me crying to tell me that Von Miller got traded to the Rams.

Then she asked me to buy her a jersey of someone who is still on the Broncos, ha!

[Ksyrup]

Current Rams’ 2022 draft picks:

Round 1: Traded to Lions
Round 2: Traded to Broncos
Round 3: Traded to Broncos, still own a compensatory pick (via Brad Holmes hire)
Round 4: Traded to Texans
Round 5: Own
Round 6: Traded to Patriots
Round 7: Own & Dolphins’ pick

— Field Yates (@FieldYates) November 1, 2021

[albionmoonlight]

As a team-building game-theory thing, it is fascinating.

The Rams clearly think that the rest of the league overvalues draft picks relative to current players. And they are operating accordingly.

It is a copycat league. If they succeed, then it will likely lead to a wholesale market adjustment in which our whole idea of what draft picks are worth will change.

if it fails, then nothing much will change, I suppose.

[SirFozzie]

Von Miller to the Rams.

Apparently a new feature in the defensive game plan will be to determine if they want the opposing QB cooked medium rare, well done, or raw.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

As a team-building game-theory thing, it is fascinating.

The Rams clearly think that the rest of the league overvalues draft picks relative to current players. And they are operating accordingly.

It is a copycat league. If they succeed, then it will likely lead to a wholesale market adjustment in which our whole idea of what draft picks are worth will change.

if it fails, then nothing much will change, I suppose.

I love that someone is doing this. Look at the flat-out miss rate in the NFL draft, it's crazy high. We who play FOF tend to forget that.

This is a viable way to build a team... plugging in undrafted rookies and late round picks in the slots where you'd usually have your early draft picks, and supplementing with cheap veterans. I'm not saying I hope it works, but I'm glad to see someone shooting the angle.

[Ksyrup]

Peyton is great. The 3 people constantly talking over each other is a bit annoying and awkward, but I have enjoyed the little I've seen of that show.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Peyton is great. The 3 people constantly talking over each other is a bit annoying and awkward, but I have enjoyed the little I've seen of that show.

Peyton and Eli have brought me back to MNF after years of not bothering with it.

[Bobble]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Peyton and Eli have brought me back to MNF after years of not bothering with it.

It's a great show but to be honest, I'd rather they didn't have any guests at all. Just Peyton and Eli talking football. Why can't I just have that?

[bhlloy]

Agreed, I’ve flicked to it a few times over the weeks and it’s been them shooting the shit with a random guest and ignoring the game every time. I’m in for listening to them break the game down but I have zero interest in watching a glorified late night talk show.

[Swaggs]

Is anyone savvy enough with probabilities or betting to figure out what the odds are for all of the AFC West or North teams to make the playoffs? Both divisions' teams are at .500 or better at the midway(ish) point and with the 7-team playoff, this would be the first year that it is even possible to have all the wildcards from the save division.

[cuervo72]

I've only had it on very briefly, and it's been mostly Peyton talking about something where he's in disbelief about how someone did something stupid (and explaining why it was stupid with detail) while Eli just is there maybe mumbling something but mostly looking somewhat dazed.

[Jstraub]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

As a team-building game-theory thing, it is fascinating.

The Rams clearly think that the rest of the league overvalues draft picks relative to current players. And they are operating accordingly.

It is a copycat league. If they succeed, then it will likely lead to a wholesale market adjustment in which our whole idea of what draft picks are worth will change.

if it fails, then nothing much will change, I suppose.

This is what "All in" looks like. But there is a reason most teams dont go to this extent. There are inevitable dark years ahead for the rams, and soon. It simply doesn't work to ship all your draft capital and stay sustainable in the salary cap era. Ask the Broncos. They are 32-48, not including this year, since P. Manning retired.

Is it worth 1 super bowl (maybe?) but then be a bottom feeder for at least 5 years? good question...

Maybe things will change but draft capital has almost ALWAYS > player capital.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Jstraub

Is it worth 1 super bowl (maybe?) but then be a bottom feeder for at least 5 years? good question...

As a Giants fan....yes.

[cuervo72]

Yeah, now that the Eagles have one I figure I'm good. They suck and I can deal with that very easily knowing going in that they suck. I don't have to get all riled up about them losing this big game or that or fizzling out in the playoffs.

[Kodos]

Originally Posted by Jstraub

This is what "All in" looks like. But there is a reason most teams dont go to this extent. There are inevitable dark years ahead for the rams, and soon. It simply doesn't work to ship all your draft capital and stay sustainable in the salary cap era. Ask the Broncos. They are 32-48, not including this year, since P. Manning retired.

Is it worth 1 super bowl (maybe?) but then be a bottom feeder for at least 5 years? good question...

Maybe things will change but draft capital has almost ALWAYS > player capital.

Pretty sure the Lions would trade all of their picks for the next three years for one Super Bowl win.

[Ksyrup]

Henry Ruggs was in a serious car accident this morning. No word on his condition but there's apparently one fatality.

[Swaggs]

Maybe someone is doing the math on what type of comp picks some of these guys can eventually convert to and/or they could consider doing a sell-off for drat picks shortly after they peak. I'm interested to see how this plays out long-term, but I feel like there are ways it could work if fans/ownership allow for a tremendous amount of player/identity turnover.

Like if the Steelers went all-in this year, presuming it is Ben's last, they could probably recoup some high picks for guys like TJ Watt, Cam Heyward, Minkah Fitzpatrick, and some of their skills guys.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Henry Ruggs was in a serious car accident this morning. No word on his condition but there's apparently one fatality.

Twitter saying Ruggs is OK. I really hope he wasn't going 120 or something stupid

[Lathum]

Those cars were going very fast

Rainbow is still closed in both directions while fatal investigators get a better look with daylight. Waiting for @LVMPD to release info on injuries or fatalities. @8NewsNow https://t.co/cS6w8Rrvb5 pic.twitter.com/SsO85v66VM

— Hector Mejia (@hectormejianews) November 2, 2021

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

As a team-building game-theory thing, it is fascinating.

The Rams clearly think that the rest of the league overvalues draft picks relative to current players. And they are operating accordingly.

It is a copycat league. If they succeed, then it will likely lead to a wholesale market adjustment in which our whole idea of what draft picks are worth will change.

if it fails, then nothing much will change, I suppose.

Playing FOF in a cutthroat MP environment should be mandatory for any GM in the NFL.

[Ksyrup]

Well, Ruggs didn't die but he's in serious trouble.

A statement on #Raiders WR Henry Ruggs, who is being charged with DUI resulting in death for his role in a car crash that LVMPD say involved a deceased victim. pic.twitter.com/OlfR0YGRJK

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) November 2, 2021