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Old 10-11-2020, 06:54 PM   #5251
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Why bother? It was just the two of us and you refuse to answer a simple question.

Define what makes someone radical left.
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Old 10-11-2020, 06:57 PM   #5252
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Why bother? It was just the two of us and you refuse to answer a simple question.

Define what makes someone radical left.

I agree there's no need to bother.
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Old 10-11-2020, 07:06 PM   #5253
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I'll probably regret this, but what the hell.

What policy preferences make one, radical left?

I was right.
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Old 10-11-2020, 07:10 PM   #5254
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Funny, so was I.
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Old 10-11-2020, 07:26 PM   #5255
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Just another for your radical left list, I guess.
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Old 10-11-2020, 07:29 PM   #5256
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Could there be a radical Moderate?
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Old 10-11-2020, 07:36 PM   #5257
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The left today, is far closer to the left of 50 years ago, than the right of today is to the right of 50 years ago.

Definitions are bullshit without a starting point of reference.
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Old 10-11-2020, 07:39 PM   #5258
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But the radical left ON THIS BOARD....
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Old 10-11-2020, 08:02 PM   #5259
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If there is anyone that could possibly be defined as "radical left" on this board, it would be Rainmaker. I don't think he would even take that as an insult. Everyone else is actually pretty moderate whether left or right, with maybe the occasional view being closer to an extreme.
Of course, according to our European members we all far right lunatics.

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Old 10-11-2020, 08:08 PM   #5260
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Until the past couple of year, though, Rain seemed much more libertarian to me.
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Old 10-11-2020, 08:09 PM   #5261
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But the radical left ON THIS BOARD....

Can I get Head of Antifa as my title?
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Old 10-11-2020, 08:11 PM   #5262
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I absolutely think this is a fair question and willing to have that discussion with you assuming we agree on some proposed rules (see above response to JPhillips). I said this to Brian further up.

I can discuss about anything with far left or far right as long as it is kept respectful, so as long as I am respected I give respect, no need for me to be a dick unless someone goes there first or says something incredibly offensive/ignorant.

I think both "radicals" can be extremely hard to have discourse with, the reason it seems like such a one way street here is the farthest to the right have left, or stay out of many of these discussions.

Go to the OOTP off topic debate forum for a healthy dose of the biggest douchebags on both sides. I seriously don't think I could sit in the same room as some of those guys.
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Old 10-11-2020, 08:12 PM   #5263
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Until the past couple of year, though, Rain seemed much more libertarian to me.

Rain just hates everything
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Old 10-11-2020, 09:09 PM   #5264
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My Facebook and Twitter feed would roll over laughing at anyone being called radical left here. Hell, even Rainmaker is pulling for Biden. We don't have any Bernie or Bust - or even more so the folks that say Bernie is a compromise candidate (and call him moderate left while calling Biden a right winger).

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Old 10-11-2020, 09:23 PM   #5265
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My Facebook and Twitter feed would roll over laughing at anyone being called radical left here. Hell, even Rainmaker is pulling for Biden. We don't have any Bernie or Bust - or even more so the folks that say Bernie is a compromise candidate (and call him moderate left while calling Biden a right winger).

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Yes. It's why I'd like to have the term defined.
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Old 10-11-2020, 10:22 PM   #5266
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Old 10-12-2020, 10:45 PM   #5267
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Donald, you are taking some bad advice. Unless you are a murderer, rapist, child molester or like, odds are you can get more than $1M for this.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/12/us/ga...rnd/index.html
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A Black man is suing Galveston, Texas, and its police department for more than $1 million after a 2019 incident in which he was handcuffed and tied to officers on horseback as they led him down a street.

Donald Neely, 44, was arrested and charged with criminal trespass near a US Post Office in August of last year. Court records show the case against him was dismissed in March.

His arrest received national attention after photos showed two mounted officers from the Galveston Police Department leading Neely through the city by what appeared to be a rope. Police said at the time that the officer was holding a "line" clipped to Neely's handcuffs, not a rope -- though it's unclear what the difference is.
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Old 10-16-2020, 02:19 PM   #5268
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Old 10-16-2020, 04:09 PM   #5269
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Why wasn't he shot and killed? Officers didn't fear for their lives from the armed individual who approached them?
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Old 10-16-2020, 08:00 PM   #5270
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my reply to the last 2 to 2 1/2 pages: lol. Yeah, that about sums it up.
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Old 10-23-2020, 12:52 PM   #5271
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A Boogaloo Boy has been arrested for shooting up the MN 3rd precinct station as well as helping set it on fire. I doubt we'll ever know the full extent of what happened, but it's pretty clear that there was an organized effort to start rioting and violence led by white nationalist groups.
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Old 10-23-2020, 05:04 PM   #5272
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A Boogaloo Boy has been arrested for shooting up the MN 3rd precinct station as well as helping set it on fire. I doubt we'll ever know the full extent of what happened, but it's pretty clear that there was an organized effort to start rioting and violence led by white nationalist groups.
but...but...but...ANTIFA!!
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Old 10-23-2020, 05:50 PM   #5273
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ANTIFA set him up of course.
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Old 10-23-2020, 05:51 PM   #5274
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It's not like they have anything better to do now that they're not starting fires in Washington, Oregon, and California.
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Old 10-23-2020, 08:26 PM   #5275
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"Peaceful" protesters.

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Old 10-23-2020, 10:54 PM   #5276
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lol indeed. i'm SHOCKED I tell you.
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Old 10-25-2020, 08:01 PM   #5277
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'You're gonna kill me!': Dallas police body cam footage reveals the final minutes of Tony Timpa's life
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Old 10-30-2020, 03:19 PM   #5278
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Uh... wow.

KSP training slideshow quotes Hitler, advocates ‘ruthless’ violence – Manual RedEye

I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that the acceptable number of Hitler references in a police training video should be zero, not three.
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Old 10-30-2020, 03:37 PM   #5279
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So, do I ask my relative by marriage about this? He used to work as a physical trainer for the KSP academy.

edit: I didn't realize this story was broken by high school students. Good for them.
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Old 11-05-2020, 08:52 PM   #5280
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Old 11-21-2020, 10:01 PM   #5281
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Tomorrow is 6 years since the Tamir Rice killing. He would have turned 18 this year.
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Old 11-22-2020, 11:38 AM   #5282
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Tomorrow is 6 years since the Tamir Rice killing. He would have turned 18 this year.

SIX YEARS..

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/12-y...ry?id=71654873
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Old 12-16-2020, 03:53 PM   #5283
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It only took a year and a judge demand to hand over THIS video
‘You Have the Wrong Place:’ Body Camera Video Shows Moments Police Handcuff Innocent, Naked Woman During Wrong Raid – CBS Chicago
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Old 12-16-2020, 06:35 PM   #5284
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This is one of the worst stories I've ever read about.

Termaine Joseph Hicks exonerated after 19 years in prison
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Old 12-16-2020, 07:20 PM   #5285
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That is an incredible story. Just fucking incredible. She's right. Their actions are going to lead to someone being damaged for years. Scared and never feeling comfortable or safe in her own home. I mean, the worst part of that story was the guy they broke her door down to find had a police tracker on and was in the apartment next door. Fucking stupid.
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Old 12-17-2020, 12:42 PM   #5286
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That is an incredible story. Just fucking incredible. She's right. Their actions are going to lead to someone being damaged for years. Scared and never feeling comfortable or safe in her own home. I mean, the worst part of that story was the guy they broke her door down to find had a police tracker on and was in the apartment next door. Fucking stupid.

100%. The video is awful, you can easily tell how (understandably) terrified she is, and for a raid on the wrong address, this is about as good as it could possibly have gone. Just awful
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Old 12-17-2020, 03:38 PM   #5288
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Should point out the Mayor and her team tried to hide the video for over a year and then threatened the woman when she released it to the press.
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Old 12-29-2020, 12:21 AM   #5289
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Andre Hill

The names don't stop. The cop was fired though, and likely faces charges. We'll see.
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Old 01-09-2021, 12:18 PM   #5290
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It does not even draw any emotions for me anymore. I will look for victories anywhere. At least he said he was sorry, right?

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(IOWA CITY, Iowa) — A white man who deliberately sped his car through a crowd of racial injustice protesters in Iowa City, striking several, will avoid prison and have the incident erased from his record if he stays out of trouble for three years.

A judge last month granted a deferred judgment for Michael Ray Stepanek, 45, who told police he drove his Toyota Camry through the crowd in August because the protesters needed “an attitude adjustment.”

The sentence means a felony charge of willful injury resulting in bodily injury against Stepanek will be dismissed and expunged, as long as he does not commit a crime during a three-year term of probation. Judge Paul Miller also suspended a $1,025 civil fine.

Offenders who commit “forcible felonies” are not eligible for deferred judgments, but the charge to which Stepanek pleaded is not considered one under Iowa law. He was also eligible for the break because he did not have a criminal history.

Stepanek’s attorney John Bruzek said his client was influenced by social media and political rhetoric characterizing the protesters as dangerous criminals. Stepanek initially believed he was legally justified but has come to see he was wrong and apologized, Bruzek said.

“Michael understands how his conduct could have resulted in a much more serious and harmful situation,” he said.

The Johnson County Attorney’s Office, which agreed to Stepanek’s plea deal, could face accusations of double standards as it continues to pursue charges against some Black Lives Matter protesters involved in the demonstrations last summer.

Prosecutors are pursuing 15 counts, including nine felonies, against a protest leader charged with shining a laser beam light in police officers’ eyes in August.

A 20-year-old Black protester who carried an assault rifle through an Iowa City crowd in June has been indicted on a federal charge of illegally possessing a gun while using marijuana. The man, who faces up to 10 years in prison, had already been prosecuted by Johnson County on related charges after the gun was found during a traffic stop following the protest.

Separately in Des Moines, prosecutors are pursuing felony leak charges against two protesters accused of stealing an intelligence bulletin from an officer and giving it to a television reporter.

Stepanek’s violence came during a downtown Iowa City protest organized by the Iowa Freedom Riders, whose members have been pushing for changes to policing for months. Police fired tear gas on them in June, outraging city leaders.

Police say Stepanek became enraged when he was stopped behind other vehicles after protesters blocked an intersection. He honked his horn then made a U-turn, squealing his tires to turn around.

Then, he shut off his lights, drove around the block, and turned onto a downtown street where there were no vehicles between him and the protesters, police say. Video shows his car striking multiple protesters, dragging one on his hood, before speeding off.

A 21-year-old protest organizer said she had a sore leg after she was mowed down and that the incident opened her eyes to the “hatred of people in this community.”

“It was extremely jarring to have some stranger take it upon himself to punish a group of young unarmed people for inconvenience and/or political dissidence,” the University of Iowa student wrote in a victim impact statement. She said the crime made her wary of cars and “paranoid about violence.”

A police officer on the scene saw Stepanek speeding away and noted his license plate but did not pursue him, citing traffic congestion. The officer claimed to have not seen him plow through the crowd.

The Iowa City Police Department announced an investigation the next day, after video of the incident spread on social media and protesters accused police of failing to respond.

The department asked those who were struck to come forward, but only one did. Stepanek was arrested and spent 76 days in jail.
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Old 01-09-2021, 12:25 PM   #5291
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Every time this justification "i was influenced by social media and political rhetoric yadda yadda" is used this should only be considered if in turn those doing the influence get charged.
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Old 01-09-2021, 12:26 PM   #5292
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Old 01-09-2021, 01:02 PM   #5293
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What a crock of shit, well done Iowa. This just infuriates me.
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