NFL Week 8 Discussion Thread: Randy Moss Claimed on Waivers by the Titans

[jbergey22]

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[jbergey22]

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[Mustang]

I sense a strong disturbance in the force as though several people bitched and were suddenly silent.


On a separate note, one thing that drives me nuts is when the call is obvious, yet the entire stadium boos. At least I have my wife to the point that if a flag comes out, before she says anything she asks if it was legit before complaining.

[EagleFan]

Did I accidentally click on a political thread?

[jbergey22]

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[Mustang]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Did I accidentally click on a political thread?

No.

Usually the political threads creatively tell people to go fuck themselves.

[Lathum]

IBTL

[MikeVic]

What a start to week 8 of the NFL! Can we have a halftime show between jbergey and HiFi, with special guest referee jbmagic?

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

IBTL

lol, I came close to postng that.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Lathum

You can squeeze in a Bud commercial and a Wrangler commercial during the replay.

Pretty sure you just hit the nail on the head.

[Greyroofoo]

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

Speaking of homers, where is MBBF?

Probably enjoying Sam Bradford in a Mizzou Jersey

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

I agree.


It seems a college replay lasts less than sixty seconds and they come back with the correct call far more often than it seems the NFL does... and it takes the NFL three times as long to do it.

I see far less consistency in replay overturns in college. Not all refs seem to grasp on conclusive evidence means.

[Passacaglia]

No fair, I missed the meltdown!

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I see far less consistency in replay overturns in college. Not all refs seem to grasp on conclusive evidence means.

I like college replay much more than the NFL. It doesn't interrupt the game flow. In college there is a guy in the booth that makes the call on the replay, whether to overturn it or not...where as in the pros the Referee on the field makes that decision. Not sure how much that has to do with the timing aspect either.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Prepping his list of excuses for when Mizzou gets pasted by Nebraska.

You know he just magically disappears on vacation when ironically right after Mizzou loses.

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I see far less consistency in replay overturns in college. Not all refs seem to grasp on conclusive evidence means.

To be fair, we've been debating what a 'catch' actually is in the NFL for a decade now and it still seems no one knows. See the overturned Shiancoe TD from the Vikings-Packers game.

Originally Posted by Dr. Sak

I like college replay much more than the NFL. It doesn't interrupt the game flow. In college there is a guy in the booth that makes the call on the replay, whether to overturn it or not...where as in the pros the Referee on the field makes that decision. Not sure how much that has to do with the timing aspect either.

If I understand the process, the replay official is looking at every play as they happen and can call down if there is any doubt about the call on the field. Maybe someone can shed some more detail on the process of college replay.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

If I understand the process, the replay official is looking at every play as they happen and can call down if there is any doubt about the call on the field. Maybe someone can shed some more detail on the process of college replay.

The Official Athletic Site of the Atlantic Coast Conference - Football

Unlike the NFL, every play in college football is reviewed by the Replay Official in the press box. If the Replay Official believes the previous play was ruled in error and the play had a direct, competitive impact on the game, he may stop play for review by paging the officials on the field.

The only other way a play can be reviewed is if the head coach challenges the previous play. However, each team is limited to only one challenge per game, regardless of the outcome of any previous challenge. If a coach challenges a play, and the play is not reversed, the challenging team will lose a timeout.

[molson]

I do prefer the NFL version, at least they worked replay into the strategy of the game.

I too, though, am in the minority that could do without it. You see a play but you can't really react to it. You know that nothing really "happened" until the next stap is taken and review is precluded. I think you do lose something when as a fan, the climactic part is really that next snap, not the play before it, after which you're just waiting for a replay and red flag.

The same could happen in other sports if they overdue replay - "looks like a potentially great play but we'll have to wait for five minutes to be sure.................................................yes, it turns out it was a great play, carry on".

Of course, it's necessary to accept ref mistakes as part of the game to have this view at all. And someone made the point about not accepting mistakes in general, which I think is a good one. People who freak out on refs are probably the same people that freak out on waitresses messing up an order. It's like a sense of entitlement. .

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by molson

I do prefer the NFL version, at least they worked replay into the strategy of the game.

But do we want 'the right call' being subject to strategy?

[stevew]

I love how Favre is talking about how he's going to test his ankle and give it a shot to help his team win. As if he's going to contribute at 40% health. Childress needs to bench him now. Give him 3 weeks to try to get healed. They have awesome offensive weapons. Surely if TJack can hold onto the ball, they can win 2 of 3 with him in there.

[stevew]

More specifically I'm pissed off at the martyrdom he is using. As if he's going to be an effective weapon. But he's going to gut it out and hope for the best and put his career on the line.

puke

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sport...106107663.html

Magary makes many of the same points.

[stevew]

good find

I wonder if anyone has done any type of study on interceptions thrown to linebackers/dline vs ones thrown to defensive backs. I'd have to think any pick that doesn't reach the secondary is most likely extremely ill-advised. It's forgiveable to throw at Revis and make a mistake, but if you're throwing balls off the chest of AJ Hawk, you fuckin suck.

[stevew]

Brett Favre Is A Bitch

[johnnyshaka]

Originally Posted by stevew

I wonder if anyone has done any type of study on interceptions thrown to linebackers/dline vs ones thrown to defensive backs. I'd have to think any pick that doesn't reach the secondary is most likely extremely ill-advised. It's forgiveable to throw at Revis and make a mistake, but if you're throwing balls off the chest of AJ Hawk, you fuckin suck.

I'm not sure I understand your logic here. I would think the benefits of throwing it at a LB would be much higher than throwing it at a highly regarded CB...no? Isn't the mistake made when you throw it Revis' way in the first place?

[stevew]

Originally Posted by johnnyshaka

I'm not sure I understand your logic here. I would think the benefits of throwing it at a LB would be much higher than throwing it at a highly regarded CB...no? Isn't the mistake made when you throw it Revis' way in the first place?

I tend to think that downfield interceptions tend to serve the same purpose as a punt in most cases. Whereas, if you're getting balls picked within 10 yards of the LOS, you're either forcing the ball or making horrible reads. I think anyways.

[LloydLungs]

Originally Posted by stevew

Brett Favre Is A Bitch

Originally Posted by Drew Magary

Favre wants to use the injury as an excuse when he fucks up, and then he wants the injury played up as icing to whatever futile catch-up TD he throws five minutes later. LOOK EVERYONE! IT'S A MIRACLE! HE'S STILL GOT SOME BULLETS LEFT IN THE GUN! HE'S BRAVER THAN ANNE FRANK!

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

But do we want 'the right call' being subject to strategy?

Exacly. The NFL replay system has always been a joke for this reason. You don't implement replay for strategy, you do it to get plays right. Why force coaches to decide which calls (and how many during a game) are worth challenging - based on a quick glance at a replay by someone up in a booth telling the coach whether to challenge - rather than simply employing a replay official who sits upstairs and whose job it is to do nothing but review every play and decide whether it should be reviewed for an incorrect call?

I really don't care about the time involved. Get the calls right - that's what a replay system is for.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

i wouldn't argue favre's performance on the field or his sympathy theatrics. but 90% of the backlash is a direct result of the media's obsession with all things favre.

instead of 24 hour analysis of will he or won't he(continue the streak/come back for another season/talk about his dick) how nice would it be if it was just:

eye candy sportscaster: is he coming back?
nfl insider: he says he doesn't know. which probably means yes.
eye candy sportscaster: sounds good. on to baseball-

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by molson

It's like a sense of entitlement. .

Not sure how getting what you're paying for is "entitlement" but {shrug}.

[stevew]

They really need ESPN4, aka "the Favre".

[stevew]

ESPN6 can be dedicated to LeBron James and the Miami Heat.

[Matthean]

Here's what no one seems to be talking about regarding Brett Favre's ankle: How is it No. 4 was able to do his running and jumping crazy-man celebration thing after he thought he threw that game-winning touchdown pass to Percy Harvin in the final seconds, but then he could barely walk up the tunnel moments later? Just sayin'.

Read more: NFL Power Rankings for Week 8 has 49ers in basement - Don Banks - SI.com

The articles on Favre made me hunt this down.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Matthean

The articles on Favre made me hunt this down.

In regards to that article the answer is Epinephrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I've had it happen to me where when the game was being played it was fine and two hours later I couldnt walk. Adrenaline tends to kill pain temporarily until it wears off and the pain is excruciating.

An educated reporter should have known the answer to this. Pierre Thomas hurt his ankle 4 weeks ago came back in the game and hasnt played a down since.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by molson

I do prefer the NFL version, at least they worked replay into the strategy of the game.

My gripe with the NFL system is that it takes too long and kills the flow of the game. I don't understand why they can't just have a licensed official in the booth who can give them an answer real quick to the call instead of making the one on the field go under the hood. Especially on obvious calls.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by molson

Of course, it's necessary to accept ref mistakes as part of the game to have this view at all. And someone made the point about not accepting mistakes in general, which I think is a good one. People who freak out on refs are probably the same people that freak out on waitresses messing up an order. It's like a sense of entitlement. .

If I go to McDonald's and order a happy meal and the person gets the order wrong, I can accept that. If I go to a resturant and I am paying $1,000 a plate, I am less willing to accept the mistake.

Sports have become big business. I know, no newsflash there. As a result, mistakes by anyone are less likely to be forgiven. Refs are a part of that.

[jbergey22]

In other news as expected Brett Favre is starting this week.

[Lathum]

This slate of 1:00 games may be the worst ever. Outside of Jets-PAckers there are no games that are even decent.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Lathum

This slate of 1:00 games may be the worst ever. Outside of Jets-PAckers there are no games that are even decent.

The 4:00 games aren't really that much better. Minnesota @ New England is the only one interesting, and I'm not sure either one is much more than a borderline playoff team.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Alan T

The 4:00 games aren't really that much better. Minnesota @ New England is the only one interesting, and I'm not sure either one is much more than a borderline playoff team.

I think there is a little more juice. Looking forward to seeing if the Raiders carry over their success and to see if the Chargers turn it around. On a whole I agree with you, lots of really good teams on byes this week.

[EagleFan]

I guess the Vikings gave up on winning? I hear they are starting that elderly shut in again.... Way to give up on the season...

[molson]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

If I go to McDonald's and order a happy meal and the person gets the order wrong, I can accept that. If I go to a resturant and I am paying $1,000 a plate, I am less willing to accept the mistake.

Sports have become big business. I know, no newsflash there. As a result, mistakes by anyone are less likely to be forgiven. Refs are a part of that.

Perfect referees are impossible though. I don't care what you're paying per plate. You think all the refs are terrible? Fire them all and bring in the guys who didn't make the cut, let's see how that goes. If they're bad too - fire them, bring in some other guys off the street. If they miss calls too - hey, maybe by now we're to message board posters and superfan weridos who would absolutely never miss a call!

And who's the highest paid player out there today? Triple his salary and I guarantee he still makes mistakes of the field. No amount of money is going rid sports of mistakes (as if that was desirable goal in the first place).

I can see fans getting a little irrational about such things if they put down $1,000+ plus on a game, but I think plenty of the weirdo ref-hate is just an expression of superfandom. I actually think the people with real money on the game - the players, team executives, etc - don't freak out like the fans do, at least after the day of the game. They understand the nature of the game better. Brad Childress didn't like some calls last week but I bet he spent zero time calling in threats to referee's homes and businesses.

[Jughead Spock]

Geez. McNabb is getting the Cutler treatment in Detroit, on his back every play.

[Abe Sargent]

That's right Jags! Get that pick!

[Matthean]

Finally a Lions game I would want to watch due to Stafford being back and it's blacked out.

Went and got it on channelsurfing though.

[Lathum]

Chiefs should never ever throw the ball on third and one.

[Abe Sargent]

Good job at the goaline stand Jags! Eat it Cowboys! My favorite team vs my most hated teaM!

[EagleFan]

lol, love it. I bet they wish that challenge wasn't overturned and they kicked the field goal.

[wade moore]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

That's right Jags! Get that pick!

Derek Cox, w00t!

[Abe Sargent]

Cox has had a monster first half. Lots of great tackles, stopped Kitna at the goaline, a pick