College football - Week 9 - Page 3

tarcone · 10-30-2010, 03:39 PM

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

and another missed extra point. priotrity one is to recruit a stinkin' kicker. jeez.

tarcone · 10-30-2010, 03:40 PM

We will see when bowl season rolls around. Big10 whooped butt last season.

cmp · 10-30-2010, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

Glad to see the fraud top 6 teams getting handled. The only win any team in the Big 10 has over a BCS opponent with a winning record is OSU over Miami. Get that garbage conference away from the title game pronto.

Nebraska's receivers should be ashamed of costing their team a legit national championship game chance by dropping easy TDs against Texas. I would have loved the Oregon/Nebraska title game.

Wow ok, and the SEC has what, 5 wins over BCS opponents with a winning record? Not many conferences have any.

cmp · 10-30-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

SEC has 7 wins against BCS schools with winning records so far this year. Big 12 has 4. Big 10 has 1. That 1 just lost to UVA who came in with wins against Richmond, VMI and E. Michigan.

There's a large difference between the top teams in the top conferences and the top teams in the Big 10.

And what exactly are those 7 wins?

mauchow · 10-30-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

SEC has 7 wins against BCS schools with winning records so far this year. Big 12 has 4. Big 10 has 1. That 1 just lost to UVA who came in with wins against Richmond, VMI and E. Michigan.

There's a large difference between the top teams in the top conferences and the top teams in the Big 10.

I would take the Big 10 over any conference this year in their Top 5 teams and as a conference as a whole.

Chubby · 10-30-2010, 03:50 PM

'CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE!!!

mauchow · 10-30-2010, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cmp

And what exactly are those 7 wins?

Louisville and Clemson WERE one of the 7 wins but now they're .500 teams so.. bring that down to 5 wins(I'm still searching)

edit: Arkansas beat Texas A&M but A&M is losing at the moment and would bring this stat down to 4... (still searching for this all-telling stat that dictates greatness of conferences)

edit: wins over Penn State and North Carolina are part of the stat.. trying to find the last two.. Hmm

tarcone · 10-30-2010, 03:55 PM

MSU. BAWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

tarcone · 10-30-2010, 03:56 PM

This is great.

Swaggs · 10-30-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

'CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE!!!

I hated to see them beat us last week, but I'm glad to see them back. I haven't hated them for quite awhile, but they are getting back to worthiness.

mauchow · 10-30-2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

6 more than the Big 10, that's what they are. The 2nd best OOC win for the Big 10 is either the trick play OT win against barely mediocre ND or the 1 point home with for Wisconsin over 3-4 ASU. They've played almost nobody and haven't done well against the few teams with a pulse they've played.

The Badgers went into Iowa and beat them and now MSU (who everyone knows was over rated but the Badgers couldn't come out with a win against the then-inspired Spartans because coach was in hospital.. but the game could have gone either way as it was evenly matched after halftime) is in Iowa and is absolutely getting crushed. The Big 10 is better than you think.

kingfc22 · 10-30-2010, 04:02 PM

And Missouri and MSU can now be scratched off the BCS title hopes list.

tarcone · 10-30-2010, 04:02 PM

30-0 at half time. GO HAWKS!

cmp · 10-30-2010, 04:08 PM

So these wins are against Penn State, North Carolina, South Florida, West Virginia,and Texas A&M? I can't find the other two, dont think there is anymore, but man that is some impressive stuff. The Big Ten can't compete with that right there.

Chief Rum · 10-30-2010, 04:09 PM

What's it like having a competent coaching staff, one you know will make the right decision for the right situation most of the time, one which has players that actually seem to develop over the seasons and show growth even during a season?

What's it like? Because I can't remember seeing that at UCLA in 20 years. I don't know what it looks like.

We haven't had even an adequate QB for more than a season since Cade McNown graduated after the 1998 season. And even allowing "for a season", we have only had one adequate season (a very good one from Ryan Olsen in 2005). That's one adequate season in 13 years. Every other season, we get QBs who miss wide open WRs, who can't complete short passes, who never establish a rhythm or show command of the offense.

Every other programs gets young guys to just come in and run the offense and do well. Or they get their starters hurt, and they just replace them, and they're fine. This doesn't happen at UCLA. We can't even get the starter to play well.

It's extremely frustrating as a fan. We can't even hire a reputed QB guru in Norm Chow and produce even an adequate QB.

I think an adequate QB covers for a lot of other ills in a program. And a poor one hides a lot of the other good stuff that can happen in a program. And you can't compete in the Pac 10 even with an adequate QB--you need a stud in this league.

It's critical that when you go to hire a coach, he has to be a guy who knows how to develop a QB--or who has shown he's smart enough to hire someone who knows.

I have a lot more issues with the rest of the staff as well, particularly on defense and at WR, but QB is the crux of the issue. It's getting me to the point where I think I am just going to stop paying any attention to UCLA's football team at all. Call me when they're finally good, and so forth.

miked · 10-30-2010, 04:09 PM

Very happy to see the "U" go down.

Swaggs · 10-30-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cmp

So these wins are against Penn State, North Carolina, South Florida, West Virginia,and Texas A&M? I can't find the other two, dont think there is anymore, but man that is some impressive stuff. The Big Ten can't compete with that right there.

Honestly, though -- what are the Big Ten's five best OOC wins?

cmp · 10-30-2010, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Honestly, though -- what are the Big Ten's five best OOC wins?

I'm not saying the Big Ten has many, I just think it's a stupid statistic, not many conferences have any good OOC wins. Until the top teams in each conference play each other it's worthless to try and compare.

mauchow · 10-30-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cmp

So these wins are against Penn State, North Carolina, South Florida, West Virginia,and Texas A&M? I can't find the other two, dont think there is anymore, but man that is some impressive stuff. The Big Ten can't compete with that right there.

And by season's end 4 of those 5 teams might not have a better than .500 record. It is a telling stat though, I bow down to the SEC for taking care of business against those teams.

mauchow · 10-30-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cmp

I'm not saying the Big Ten has many, I just think it's a stupid statistic, not many conferences have any good OOC wins. Until the top teams in each conference play each other it's worthless to try and compare.

This. Bowl season answers most of these questions which is why it's silly to throw out pointless stats such as this.

I said it before, I would take the Big 10 right now over ANY conference in terms of who's the best.. but it's just my opinion and that doesn't matter at all.

Lets continue this fun chatting while the rest of the season continues to change every single week.

Swaggs · 10-30-2010, 04:22 PM

Those OOC games don't tell the whole story, but they give a little bit of context on where a conference stands against its rival conferences. The wins, against even average to above average teams by members (particularly the middle to lower members of a conference) can give you a good idea of the depth of the conferences, in addition to the strength at the top.

Interestingly, I was reading an article a few days ago about how BCS OOC games are probably going to become fewer and fewer in the next 5-10 years because so many of the conferences are going to a 9-game season. That just leaves room for one FCS game (pure money-making home game), one rivalry game (think South Carolina-Clemson, Georgia-GT, USC-ND), etc), and then one game you can use against another BCS team or, more likely against a Sun Beltish/MACish team.

Bigsmooth · 10-30-2010, 04:25 PM

William & Mary up 17-10 (assuming NC makes this FG) on North Carolina.

...and they miss the chip shot FG!

17-7

Swaggs · 10-30-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmooth

William & Mary up 17-10 (assuming NC makes this FG) on North Carolina.

...and they miss the chip shot FG!

17-7

Time?

BishopMVP · 10-30-2010, 04:34 PM

7:20 left 3rd Q in the UNC game.

What's the worst shutout loss for a top 5 team?

Buccaneer · 10-30-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Time?

Common Time.

Buccaneer · 10-30-2010, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chubby

'CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE!!!

+100

bronconick · 10-30-2010, 04:38 PM

Cal continuing to use separate squads for home and road games.

Home
W ASU 50-17
W UCLA 35-7

Road
L USC 14-48
L OSU 0-35 (3rd)

jbergey22 · 10-30-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bronconick

Cal continuing to use separate squads for home and road games.

Home
W ASU 50-17
W UCLA 35-7

Road
L USC 14-48
L OSU 0-35 (3rd)

They also lost their starting QB early in the game perhaps for the year. It was disturbing to watch.

BishopMVP · 10-30-2010, 04:40 PM

In MBBF's defense, Nebraska legitimately is a borderline top 25 team when Zac Lee is playing quarterback. Yeesh.

jbergey22 · 10-30-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

7:20 left 3rd Q in the UNC game.

What's the worst shutout loss for a top 5 team?

Im thinking 50+ to 0. It seems to me that either one of the Notre Dame teams or Miami in the mid 80's kicked the crap out of the #1 ranked team.

tarcone · 10-30-2010, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

What's it like having a competent coaching staff, one you know will make the right decision for the right situation most of the time, one which has players that actually seem to develop over the seasons and show growth even during a season?

What's it like? Because I can't remember seeing that at UCLA in 20 years. I don't know what it looks like.

We haven't had even an adequate QB for more than a season since Cade McNown graduated after the 1998 season. And even allowing "for a season", we have only had one adequate season (a very good one from Ryan Olsen in 2005). That's one adequate season in 13 years. Every other season, we get QBs who miss wide open WRs, who can't complete short passes, who never establish a rhythm or show command of the offense.

Every other programs gets young guys to just come in and run the offense and do well. Or they get their starters hurt, and they just replace them, and they're fine. This doesn't happen at UCLA. We can't even get the starter to play well.

It's extremely frustrating as a fan. We can't even hire a reputed QB guru in Norm Chow and produce even an adequate QB.

I think an adequate QB covers for a lot of other ills in a program. And a poor one hides a lot of the other good stuff that can happen in a program. And you can't compete in the Pac 10 even with an adequate QB--you need a stud in this league.

It's critical that when you go to hire a coach, he has to be a guy who knows how to develop a QB--or who has shown he's smart enough to hire someone who knows.

I have a lot more issues with the rest of the staff as well, particularly on defense and at WR, but QB is the crux of the issue. It's getting me to the point where I think I am just going to stop paying any attention to UCLA's football team at all. Call me when they're finally good, and so forth.

Its awesome.

tarcone · 10-30-2010, 04:43 PM

37-0 Iowa

7:35 left in the 3rd

Chief Rum · 10-30-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

They also lost their starting QB early in the game perhaps for the year. It was disturbing to watch.

I didn't see the play, and I hope Riley is okay.

That said if you know anything about Cal, you know that Riley not being on the field may not be an entirely bad thing. That position is just about the only spot they don't get good play on a consistent basis.

(Home/road splits aside).

Chief Rum · 10-30-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

Its awesome.

Heh... I'll bet.

jbergey22 · 10-30-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I didn't see the play, and I hope Riley is okay.

That said if you know anything about Cal, you know that Riley not being on the field may not be an entirely bad thing. That position is just about the only spot they don't get good play on a consistent basis.

(Home/road splits aside).

I know Riley has been inconsistent but they havent done anything with this other guy. He looks like a deer in headlights. On 3rd and 10 he wont even attempt to throw the ball to the marker.

Chief Rum · 10-30-2010, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

I know Riley has been inconsistent but they havent done anything with this other guy. He looks like a deer in headlights. On 3rd and 10 he wont even attempt to throw the ball to the marker.

That's impressive if they have a guy much worse than Riley. It's an indictment on the coaching staff there.

Of course, I would still trade UCLA's staff for that one.

tarcone · 10-30-2010, 04:53 PM

Iowa is in its conservative offense. Pound the ball up the middle. MSU still having problems.

jbergey22 · 10-30-2010, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

That's impressive if they have a guy much worse than Riley. It's an indictment on the coaching staff there.

Of course, I would still trade UCLA's staff for that one.

Haha,

Yeah the backup is from Dallas and he is 8/14 for 45 yards. He is just scared to throw the ball more than 2 yards downfield. His name is Mansion.

RedKingGold · 10-30-2010, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmooth

William & Mary up 17-10 (assuming NC makes this FG) on North Carolina.

...and they miss the chip shot FG!

17-7

I think I hear Wade crapping his pants with excitement somewhere.

RedKingGold · 10-30-2010, 04:57 PM

BTW, anyone watching the "Goal Line" preview on ESPN2?

Clear imitation of NFL's Red Zone but not nearly as good. Not impressed at all.

tarcone · 10-30-2010, 04:59 PM

Iowa is going to lose their shut out. Too bad.

Lathum · 10-30-2010, 05:01 PM

Pretty nasty weather here in Seattle, hopefully that can somewhat neutralize Luck and give us a chance. I was going to go to the game today, glad I didn't.

jbergey22 · 10-30-2010, 05:02 PM

I love how all these "experts" predicting Mizzou to lose and Michigan State to lose today were calling these upsets.

Vegas had the home teams favored by 7 points so Im not understanding how they can consider Iowa at home beating MSU or Nebraska at home beating Mizzou upsets.

jbergey22 · 10-30-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Pretty nasty weather here in Seattle, hopefully that can somewhat neutralize Luck and give us a chance. I was going to go to the game today, glad I didn't.

Is it windy and rainy?

The total on the game is very high. Is the under a play?

Buccaneer · 10-30-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Heh... I'll bet.

Come on Chief, don't feed the troll.

Lathum · 10-30-2010, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Is it windy and rainy?

The total on the game is very high. Is the under a play?

Yeah, if I was betting this game I think the under may be safe.

10-30-2010, 04:02 PM	#114
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	And Missouri and MSU can now be scratched off the BCS title hopes list. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

10-30-2010, 04:08 PM	#116
cmp Pro Rookie Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Grand Rapids, MI	So these wins are against Penn State, North Carolina, South Florida, West Virginia,and Texas A&M? I can't find the other two, dont think there is anymore, but man that is some impressive stuff. The Big Ten can't compete with that right there. Last edited by cmp : 10-30-2010 at 04:08 PM.

10-30-2010, 04:09 PM	#117
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	What's it like having a competent coaching staff, one you know will make the right decision for the right situation most of the time, one which has players that actually seem to develop over the seasons and show growth even during a season? What's it like? Because I can't remember seeing that at UCLA in 20 years. I don't know what it looks like. We haven't had even an adequate QB for more than a season since Cade McNown graduated after the 1998 season. And even allowing "for a season", we have only had one adequate season (a very good one from Ryan Olsen in 2005). That's one adequate season in 13 years. Every other season, we get QBs who miss wide open WRs, who can't complete short passes, who never establish a rhythm or show command of the offense. Every other programs gets young guys to just come in and run the offense and do well. Or they get their starters hurt, and they just replace them, and they're fine. This doesn't happen at UCLA. We can't even get the starter to play well. It's extremely frustrating as a fan. We can't even hire a reputed QB guru in Norm Chow and produce even an adequate QB. I think an adequate QB covers for a lot of other ills in a program. And a poor one hides a lot of the other good stuff that can happen in a program. And you can't compete in the Pac 10 even with an adequate QB--you need a stud in this league. It's critical that when you go to hire a coach, he has to be a guy who knows how to develop a QB--or who has shown he's smart enough to hire someone who knows. I have a lot more issues with the rest of the staff as well, particularly on defense and at WR, but QB is the crux of the issue. It's getting me to the point where I think I am just going to stop paying any attention to UCLA's football team at all. Call me when they're finally good, and so forth. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

10-30-2010, 04:09 PM	#118
miked College Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Dirty	Very happy to see the "U" go down. __________________ Commish of the United Baseball League (OOTP 6.5)

10-30-2010, 04:22 PM	#123
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Those OOC games don't tell the whole story, but they give a little bit of context on where a conference stands against its rival conferences. The wins, against even average to above average teams by members (particularly the middle to lower members of a conference) can give you a good idea of the depth of the conferences, in addition to the strength at the top. Interestingly, I was reading an article a few days ago about how BCS OOC games are probably going to become fewer and fewer in the next 5-10 years because so many of the conferences are going to a 9-game season. That just leaves room for one FCS game (pure money-making home game), one rivalry game (think South Carolina-Clemson, Georgia-GT, USC-ND), etc), and then one game you can use against another BCS team or, more likely against a Sun Beltish/MACish team. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

10-30-2010, 03:39 PM	#102
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!! and another missed extra point. priotrity one is to recruit a stinkin' kicker. jeez.

10-30-2010, 03:40 PM	#103
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	We will see when bowl season rolls around. Big10 whooped butt last season.

10-30-2010, 03:50 PM	#107
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	'CUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE!!!

10-30-2010, 03:55 PM	#109
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	MSU. BAWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

10-30-2010, 03:56 PM	#110
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	This is great.

10-30-2010, 04:02 PM	#115
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	30-0 at half time. GO HAWKS!

10-30-2010, 04:25 PM	#124
Bigsmooth College Prospect Join Date: Dec 2006	William & Mary up 17-10 (assuming NC makes this FG) on North Carolina. ...and they miss the chip shot FG! 17-7 Last edited by Bigsmooth : 10-30-2010 at 04:26 PM.

10-30-2010, 04:34 PM	#126
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	7:20 left 3rd Q in the UNC game. What's the worst shutout loss for a top 5 team?

10-30-2010, 04:38 PM	#129
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	Cal continuing to use separate squads for home and road games. Home W ASU 50-17 W UCLA 35-7 Road L USC 14-48 L OSU 0-35 (3rd)

10-30-2010, 04:40 PM	#131
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	In MBBF's defense, Nebraska legitimately is a borderline top 25 team when Zac Lee is playing quarterback. Yeesh.

10-30-2010, 04:43 PM	#134
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	37-0 Iowa 7:35 left in the 3rd

10-30-2010, 04:53 PM	#140
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Iowa is in its conservative offense. Pound the ball up the middle. MSU still having problems.

10-30-2010, 04:57 PM	#144
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	BTW, anyone watching the "Goal Line" preview on ESPN2? Clear imitation of NFL's Red Zone but not nearly as good. Not impressed at all.

10-30-2010, 04:59 PM	#145
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Iowa is going to lose their shut out. Too bad.

10-30-2010, 05:01 PM	#146
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Pretty nasty weather here in Seattle, hopefully that can somewhat neutralize Luck and give us a chance. I was going to go to the game today, glad I didn't.

10-30-2010, 05:02 PM	#147
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	I love how all these "experts" predicting Mizzou to lose and Michigan State to lose today were calling these upsets. Vegas had the home teams favored by 7 points so Im not understanding how they can consider Iowa at home beating MSU or Nebraska at home beating Mizzou upsets.

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