Super Bowl XLVI Thread - Giants Vs. Patriots

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Care to do the math for all the 13-3, 12-4, all the way down to 7-9(?) teams?

SI

Maybe later on today I'll do it.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Remember that turkey you ate on Thanksgiving? Well, you were watching this game while eating that bird.

Oh, and the Ravens won 16-6.

Completely forgot about that game. Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, I dont think we need to watch that rematch.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Pyser

yeah, they looked really pathetic losing to the 15-1 packers, the 13-3 49ers, and the 13-3 saints in those games.

It wasnt who they lost to it was that they appeared to quit a couple of times.

They were 9-7 scoring 394 giving up 400 points in the regular season. I realize they are a much better team right now but their regular season resume was poor for a super bowl team. I wonder if a team has ever won the Super Bowl when getting outscored in the regular season?

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Giants are first team to ever get to a Super Bowl being outscored in the regular season.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Giants are first team to ever get to a Super Bowl being outscored in the regular season.

This makes Tuck's comments a little more laughable IMO. He's saying that no one is giving his team a chance when in reality it seems a lot more people are giving his team a chance than they maybe even deserve.

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by Rizon

Maybe later on today I'll do it.

I'm on it.
16-0 - 0/1 (0%)
15-1 - 2/5 (40%)
14-2 - 7/19 (37%)
13-3 - 7/34 (21%) excl 2011 Patriots
12-4 - 9/63 (14%)
11-5 - 3/78 (4%)
10-6 - 3/106 (3%)
9-7 - 0/112 (0%) excl 2011 Giants
8-8 or worse - 0/507 (0%)

Playoffs only:
16-0 - 0/1 (0%)
15-1 - 2/5 (40%)
14-2 - 7/19 (37%)
13-3 - 7/34 (21%) excl 2011 Patriots
12-4 - 9/63 (14%)
11-5 - 3/76 (4%)
10-6 - 3/89 (3%)
9-7 - 0/55 (0%) excl 2011 Giants
8-8 - 0/10 (0%)
7-9 - 0/1 (0%)

This only includes seasons with a 16-game schedule (1978-2011 minus 1987 (15 games), and 1982 (9 games)).

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Might be slow, but 2 16-0 teams?

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

16-0 - 0/2 (0%)

[QuikSand]

...might have been that team of Mini Ditkas. I don't think anyone ever beat them.

[MIJB#19]

Do I look silly now. That was suppoed to be 0/1. Double checked it, the rest is as it should be.

Fixed it above.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

Do I look silly now. That was suppoed to be 0/1. Double checked it, the rest is as it should be.

Fixed it above.

You forgot to change the percentage, it's still the same.

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

You forgot to change the percentage, it's still the same.

* throw shoe *

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by MIJB#19

I'm on it.
16-0 - 0/1 (0%)
15-1 - 2/5 (40%)
14-2 - 7/19 (37%)
13-3 - 7/34 (21%) excl 2011 Patriots
12-4 - 9/63 (14%)
11-5 - 3/78 (4%)
10-6 - 3/106 (3%)
9-7 - 0/112 (0%) excl 2011 Giants
8-8 or worse - 0/507 (0%)

Playoffs only:
16-0 - 0/1 (0%)
15-1 - 2/5 (40%)
14-2 - 7/19 (37%)
13-3 - 7/34 (21%) excl 2011 Patriots
12-4 - 9/63 (14%)
11-5 - 3/76 (4%)
10-6 - 3/89 (3%)
9-7 - 0/55 (0%) excl 2011 Giants
8-8 - 0/10 (0%)
7-9 - 0/1 (0%)

This only includes seasons with a 16-game schedule (1978-2011 minus 1987 (15 games), and 1982 (9 games)).

Thanks! I looked at the stats and was like ughghhghgh I don't wanna do this ...

[PraetorianX]

Personally, I'm really hoping that the Giants can win this one. As a Colts fan, I'd hate to have Brady and the Pats win #4 in our house.

[sterlingice]

Yesterday, we hit up the village (before it opened), NFL Experience, and then village after dark. Today, we saw Media Day. Pictures are attached but in spoiler text

Monday - Around Town

Spoiler

Letters at Monument Circle


Super Bowl Team Indy Cars


JW Marriott (Media Hotel for Super Bowl)


Downtown at the Village


Zipline above Super Bowl Village

Monday NFL Experience

Spoiler

Making a Football


Super Bowl Footballs


Player Lockers


NFL Command Center (Officials)


Super Bowl Rings


Lombardi Trophy

Monday Evening

Spoiler

Crowds as we left


View down Georgia Street


Concerts

Media Day Assorted Pictures

Spoiler

Lucas Oil Stadium


Lucas Oil Stadium Suites


Lucas Oil Stadium Interior


Whole field view


This crazy dude


This crazy dude again


NFL Network at work

Media Day - Patriots

Spoiler

Patriots Hexabox


Bill Belichick


Blue Foam Fingers


Tom Brady


Japanese Interview


Wes Welker in a silly hat


Kissing a reporter

Media Day - Giants

Spoiler

Giants Hexabox


Tom Coughlin


Random Interview


Justin Tuck


Nicktoons Interview


Giants Team Picture


End of Media Day

SI

[cartman]

70 degrees today in Dallas. I bet Jerry is shaking his fist at the sky wondering where this weather was last year for Super Bowl week.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by cartman

70 degrees today in Dallas. I bet Jerry is shaking his fist at the sky wondering where this weather was last year for Super Bowl week.

Karma.

[sterlingice]

60 here today. 4th warmest last day of January on record, according to the news. Ridiculously good weather

SI

[ColtCrazy]

Did my first of two days in Indy for the NFL experience. Great weather, good crowd. Indy really did a good job getting things ready. The NFL experience is a blast. Lots of great games for the adults and kids. Night time crowd was really packed. Only disappointment was my autograph hunt. The big 2 today were Pierre Garcon and Von Miller. They were both at the same time, so I went with Miller since I've met Garcon before but the Miller session was not an autograph session but a kids only play 60 event. No biggie. I'll be back Friday with my son and my dad. Think my son is going to love doing all the competitions. No way I'm doing the zip line though..much higher than I thought it'd be!!!

[Grover]

You're welcome.

[spleen1015]

I love you Chunk!

[molson]

I watched that video and I thought, "damn, I hope that guy has expressed himself on video regarding a variety of other topics that interest me", and it turns out HE HAS! He has an entire portfolio of video opinions.

[stevew]

He has an opinion to asshole ratio that far exceeds 1:1

[Arles]

I predicted the New England - Baltimore score exactly two weeks ago. Here's my blog on the GDS forums predicting the score for the big game, as well as 7 props to consider:

GDSBlog: New York vs. New England - Super Bowl! - Grey Dog Software

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Arles

I predicted the New England - Baltimore score exactly two weeks ago. Here's my blog on the GDS forums predicting the score for the big game, as well as 7 props to consider:

GDSBlog: New York vs. New England - Super Bowl! - Grey Dog Software

Concerning your first prop pet, something I heard on the radio the other day, ever since Brady has returned from his knee injury, the Patriots have deferred every time they have won the toss.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by Arles

I predicted the New England - Baltimore score exactly two weeks ago. Here's my blog on the GDS forums predicting the score for the big game, as well as 7 props to consider:

GDSBlog: New York vs. New England - Super Bowl! - Grey Dog Software

As far as the Ware no TD prop goes. Does he need to have a carry for that bet to be legit? Sportsbooks can be tricky in their wording. Sometimes they will say(must play) which some books will say means he has to have a carry.

[Arles]

Good question, I was using bookmaker and no carries are required. If you do find dodgy wording, you can also go for the under 2 carries bet. It's better odds (-145) and he hasn't had a carry since Bradshaw's been back (mid Dec).

[Arles]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Concerning your first prop pet, something I heard on the radio the other day, ever since Brady has returned from his knee injury, the Patriots have deferred every time they have won the toss.

Exactly. Plus, the Giants have asked for the ball in over half the times they've won the toss. So, basically, there's between a 60 and 75% chance the Giants start with the ball (based on how much Giants data you use).

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by molson

I watched that video and I thought, "damn, I hope that guy has expressed himself on video regarding a variety of other topics that interest me", and it turns out HE HAS! He has an entire portfolio of video opinions.

The shirt made me immediately think it was a set-up/joke.

[spleen1015]

Peyton has been cleared to resume his NFL career. WTF does that really mean?

Doesn't mean he's ready to throw bullets today, I guess.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

She made a bet with a coworker. If the Pats win, he has to wear a Pats cheerleader outfit. If the Giants win, she has to wear a Giants bikini.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Peyton has been cleared to resume his NFL career. WTF does that really mean?

Doesn't mean he's ready to throw bullets today, I guess.

It means that Irsay came out today and shredded any small chance there was that this might be resumed amicably after all. So much for the truce.

Also I have to say Pey-Pey isnt exactly smelling of roses here. You couldn't wait until after the SB in Indy that your brother is playing in to release that nugget of information? Starting to look a little like #4 right now

[spleen1015]

I don't know if it is Peyton releasing the info or not. If he wanted to release the info, I would think he would have done it earlier in the week when he gave the interview to ESPN.

From a PR point of view, it doesn't matter what Peyton does. The fans love him no matter what. He's nothing like Favre. Irsay tweeting like he did last night is laughable to me. Why tweet it? You've already decided to cut him, you just haven't said it yet.

Everything that comes out of the Colts, whether it is Irsay, Grigson, Pagano, Arains, etc talks about the future. They're all talking about moving on but no one has come right out and said Peyton's not part of the plan. So, there's no use in fighting a PR battle today when you're going to be hated once you cut him regardless of what you do between now and then.

[Ksyrup]

A ton of news being dropped by the NFL today. Thursday schedule is being increased to 13 games:

NFL: all 32 NFL teams will play at least one primetime game in 2012. Also, every club will play on one Thursday following a Sunday game.

[gstelmack]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I don't know if it is Peyton releasing the info or not. If he wanted to release the info, I would think he would have done it earlier in the week when he gave the interview to ESPN.

He also could have held off on the interview until after the Super Bowl.

[Ksyrup]

He could have hired Scott Boras to announce it at the start of the 3rd quarter of the SB, too.

[Jughead Spock]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

From a PR point of view, it doesn't matter what Peyton does. The fans love him no matter what. He's nothing like Favre.

Yet.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

He also could have held off on the interview until after the Super Bowl.

I agree with that 100%. I believe the interview was setup by Gatorade. He mentioned that during the interview anyway.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

A ton of news being dropped by the NFL today. Thursday schedule is being increased to 13 games:

NFL: all 32 NFL teams will play at least one primetime game in 2012. Also, every club will play on one Thursday following a Sunday game.

That's excellent news. This is why the NFL is beating the snot out of other leagues- it's the sign of a very forward thinking league and model. Whereas baseball keeps trying to focus on only on the large markets or basketball only a few star teams, the NFL wants to promote the league as a whole and it helps them stay healthy across the country in every market.

SI

[Ksyrup]

Except they also announced they are keeping the existing blackout rules, which sucks.

[sterlingice]

3 of the 4 local networks have a 2+ hour Super Bowl special on tonight. It is fun to soak this all in, tho.

SI

[Buccaneer]

Originally Posted by gstelmack

He also could have held off on the interview until after the Super Bowl.

What? And spoil the non-stop Manning News that we've been having for two weeks? It's pathetic of those complaining that we would have two weeks of nothing but Brady and Bellicheck, whereas we got two weeks of the worst team of the 2011 NFL and a QB who did not even play.

[molson]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

What? And spoil the non-stop Manning News that we've been having for two weeks? It's pathetic of those complaining that we would have two weeks of nothing but Brady and Bellicheck, whereas we got two weeks of the worst team of the 2011 NFL and a QB who did not even play.

Manning and Irsay are both whores.

But anyway, I did cleanse myself and and listened to a ton of ESPN and WEEI podcasts about the actual game today while doing some chores, and that got me a lot more fired up for tomorrow. It's an interesting matchup. It's interesting how the Pats are still favored in Vegas (last I checked), when the clear consensus is that the Giants are the better team. I agree with the consensus. But I also remember that the Giants won 9 games this year and had some very bad losses. And I see the way they're talking this week, and while I don't have problem with a team talking, I wonder if there are some mental issues going on there - the Giants have had some problems when they're expected to do well, and they maybe have to turn the talking up to 11 to motivate themselves, even if it's the super bowl. Maybe that's a stretch, but it does seem like an excellent team that has mental switches that are a little off at times. Where as the Patriots have been more consistent - an up and down first few weeks and now 10 wins in a row, and the defense has improved along the way and now peaked in the playoffs.

And I think I'm more afraid of the Giants' offense than their defense. Everybody talks about the defense and getting to Brady, which is important, but I think it's true that the Pats are much less susceptible to the pass rush this year then when they've had a more vertical offense in years past. I think they can figure it out. But the Giants offense v. Patriots defense, there's just going to be scary on every possession.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Matthean

She made a bet with a coworker. If the Pats win, he has to wear a Pats cheerleader outfit. If the Giants win, she has to wear a Giants bikini.

Go Giants!

[spleen1015]

I don't think people are giving the Patriots enough credit. We are talking about a 13-3 team here. A lot of the 'experts' are saying the Giants are going to win by a lot. Remember the Rams were supposed to beat the Patriots, too.

I expect a good game that comes down to the last possession.

[jeff061]

13-3 against a ridiculously soft schedule, now playing against a team that matches up damn near perfectly against them.

As a Pat's fan I'm nervous .

[sabotai]

As a Giants fan, I'm nervous because the last time this many people were picking the Giants in a Super Bowl, they got spanked by the Ravens.

(But yeah, 13-3, but 0-3 against teams above .500 in the regular season I think. They didn't beat a team with a winning record until the championship game against the Ravens, and they barely won that.)

[cartman]

The Pats cut Tiquan Underwood the day before the Super Bowl.

2012 Super Bowl -- New England Patriots cut Tiquan Underwood on eve of Super Bowl - ESPN Boston

[Lathum]

Oddly enough both Rutgers guys. That is a shitty thing to do to someone

[molson]

The Patriots v. teams with winning records thing is one of the more overrated stats out that's getting a lot of play. Would their season have been considered more impressive, if they say, beat the Steelers and the Giants, and instead, lost to to the Dolphins and the Redskins? Is that the mark of a better team?

It seems more a scheduling quirk than anything else. There were 8 teams that finished 8-8 in the NFL this year. Including the playoffs, Patriots were 8-0 against that group. So, including the playoffs, the Patriots were 9-2 against teams that were .500 or better. The Giants were 8-4 against teams that were .500 or better, including the playoffs. And the Giants also lost twice to the Redskins, and to the Seahawks at home. So were they really all that much more impressive during their season?