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Old 02-12-2011, 12:04 PM   #601
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I really hope the person that won the "Show Bids" Service still does it as it still might shed some light on a few things but at the same time it may not do anything at all if this was indeed the case.

If I had to guess, the leader in the betting category was probably Darth with possibly Lathum right behind. If this person were to reveal the numbers for us we'd probably have a good starting point on where a wolf might be based on bets for Darth..but then again, who the eff knows.
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Old 02-12-2011, 12:13 PM   #602
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I don't see anything Hoops is doing particularly wolfy. Why come forward with this info? Why would a wolf have that power, I think that would be WAY overpowered for a wolf to have that ability.

I think with certain players we always look to see what angle they are shooting at, when the simplest explanation may be they are telling the truth.

Checking in after giving the ACT this morning. All kinds of funky stuff going on. I know where I'm going in the next vote.....


You and hoops are getting kinda cuddly don't ya think?
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Old 02-12-2011, 12:28 PM   #603
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Checking in after giving the ACT this morning. All kinds of funky stuff going on. I know where I'm going in the next vote.....


You and hoops are getting kinda cuddly don't ya think?

not really. We've been playing together for almost 7 years. You tend to learn a lot about peoples tendencies.
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Old 02-12-2011, 12:32 PM   #604
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well the fact is, you did know you had the power...you knew you coordinated a tie last night without knowing what the result would be...that is no different than a duke pulling the trigger onto a random person without any reason to go there except to use his power.

Actually, it is hugely different than using a duke power:
1.) Duke power is a one-time deal
2.) Duke picks who is lynched
3.) This action helped provide insight (assuming I'm reading it right) into the tie-break mechanism

Now, I'm not going to have pretended to think about it this deeply last night. I just figured I would let me vote stick and have the cards fell where they may since all outcomes seemed about the same in my mind. But the act was vastly different than the analogy that you are painting.
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Old 02-12-2011, 12:33 PM   #605
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not really. We've been playing together for almost 7 years. You tend to learn a lot about peoples tendencies.

And I don't cuddle with Giant fans.
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Old 02-12-2011, 12:37 PM   #606
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Actually, it is hugely different than using a duke power:
1.) Duke power is a one-time deal
2.) Duke picks who is lynched
3.) This action helped provide insight (assuming I'm reading it right) into the tie-break mechanism

Now, I'm not going to have pretended to think about it this deeply last night. I just figured I would let me vote stick and have the cards fell where they may since all outcomes seemed about the same in my mind. But the act was vastly different than the analogy that you are painting.

i agree with all this, I was going to post my opinions of Sals comments but wanted to see what you said first
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Old 02-12-2011, 01:57 PM   #607
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I am not sure what Hoops would have to gain by admitting what happened. If he was a wolf it puts a target on his back that clearly no wolf wants. Not only is he a viable lynch candidate with people being suspicious of him, he also made himself a prime target for the opposite wolf faction for a night kill.
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Old 02-12-2011, 03:39 PM   #608
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It saves us a whole day of trying to figure out what happened. Assuming he isn't a wolf it also means the wolves voted acting under the assumption the lynch would go down as planned, which means we can gain value from the voting.
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Old 02-12-2011, 03:39 PM   #609
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The only hint of foul play I could gain from that hoops reveal is that he knows he's a very likely target to be scanned early, especially if a veteran player wins the service. By revealing a role, that would lessen the likelihood of him being scanned. But this is all speculation - I find it unlikely that he is a wolf at this point, or that the wolves would have such a power. It is possible that he looked at the vote count and used this as a lie, knowing that it was in fact a mob action - but that seems a bit out there for hoops. Just some food for thought.
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Old 02-12-2011, 03:51 PM   #610
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He hasn't come out with any info, I think he's just referring to telling the truth about being a villager.

yeah this is what i meant. But if the situation was caused by hoops (assuming he's telling the truth) that discredits my thoery
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Old 02-12-2011, 03:51 PM   #611
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I mean telling the truth about not being a wolf
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:11 PM   #612
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Wow, last night was...bizarre. Still gathering my thoughts.
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:13 PM   #613
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Wow, last night was...bizarre. Still gathering my thoughts.

I've said that more times in my life then I care to admit
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:16 PM   #614
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I'm just going to go along with the assumption that DV knew that he was going to be saved and just continued to act like a villager through the end of the day. That's the way I'm going to keep moving forward for this next day until something concrete comes in, sorry DV.

I believe you may be right. Time will tell, of course, but right now, he's as likely a candidate as anyone.
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:18 PM   #615
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I've said that more times in my life then I care to admit

That's what Tequila will do to you my friend
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:18 PM   #616
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:19 PM   #617
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Okay, in this game, with so much going on, it's hard to really tell what's really happening.

Hoops' theory is interesting, and if he's telling the truth, it's certainly something to consider. That said, it just feels a bit far-fetched. This had the feel of a duke move gone bad.
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:19 PM   #618
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I believe you may be right. Time will tell, of course, but right now, he's as likely a candidate as anyone.

I'm guessing you aren't all the way caught up yet.
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:20 PM   #619
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Okay, in this game, with so much going on, it's hard to really tell what's really happening.

Hoops' theory is interesting, and if he's telling the truth, it's certainly something to consider. That said, it just feels a bit far-fetched. This had the feel of a duke move gone bad.

Then why not keep us guessing? Why the reveal at all?
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:21 PM   #620
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I'm guessing you aren't all the way caught up yet.

Yeah, stream of thought posting, not always good.

But in any case, I'm not ready to give over to hoops' theory yet, so I don't know that DV wasn't the engineer of last night's lynching.
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:25 PM   #621
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Then why not keep us guessing? Why the reveal at all?

I didn't say hoops was the architect of last night and that he's revealing to some ulterior motive. I actually believe hoops has the power he says he does and that the vote was essentially a tie last night. So the unknown tie mechanism is certainly a factor consider. But there are many ways to break a tie in a WW game, and lynching the third candidate is pretty far down the list of likely outcomes. I believe hoops has his power, and is trying to make sense of things, so he revealed to point out this possibility. Kudos to him.

That doesn't mean that's what happened. It could still just be a duking.
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:28 PM   #622
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Questions for Autumn: Can you bid "$0" for a service and get it if no one else bids? Or does a minimum of $1 need to be bid?

Also, what happens if two people bid the same amount for a service?
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:51 PM   #623
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It absolutely could be a duking, but I don't understand why it would be duked to PackerFanatic. If there was someone who bought/used a duke ability they may as well come out and admit it ... don't see reasons to hide that if they are a villager. Everyone screws up from time to time.

Oh well, we'll have answers at the end of the game on this. But if that "duke reveal" isn't forthcoming then I'm likely to act as if the tie-breaker is "next man not in tie" for voting.
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:59 PM   #624
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Questions for Autumn:
Also, what happens if two people bid the same amount for a service?

The world will implode on itself
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:59 PM   #625
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Well, it could have been a mafia duking away from DV (or DT if it was submitted earlier), but yeah we really don't have any confirmation on that sort of thing. For right now we have to assume the tiebreaker mechanism you mentioned is what happened. People are welcome to discuss their thoughts on it, but it won't have to guide the day's discussion.
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Old 02-12-2011, 05:01 PM   #626
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I honestly have no clue what to make of yesterday, I'm inclined to believe Hoops but i'm not trusting anyone 100% (besides myself). I don't think it was a duke though, I mean who would duke to PF with everyone on me DT, and lathum?
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Old 02-12-2011, 05:12 PM   #627
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Well, a few hours away from finding out what happens next. I'm curious to see what the new services will be for the day.

I think it's been said somewhere but the services that are Black Market Services that can only be used by the Mafia, can the the villagers bid on those items but maybe not be able to use them? Basically, to prevent the mafia from using it?
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Old 02-12-2011, 05:15 PM   #628
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Questions for Autumn: Can you bid "$0" for a service and get it if no one else bids? Or does a minimum of $1 need to be bid?

Also, what happens if two people bid the same amount for a service?

I asked Autumn the tied bid Q on page 2, he said we don't know the tie-breaker.
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Old 02-12-2011, 07:46 PM   #629
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Who's gonna die.. who's gonna die..
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Old 02-12-2011, 07:53 PM   #630
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It is interesting to see who the killer(s) pick(s)
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Old 02-12-2011, 07:54 PM   #631
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Questions for Autumn: Can you bid "$0" for a service and get it if no one else bids? Or does a minimum of $1 need to be bid?

Also, what happens if two people bid the same amount for a service?

You need to bid at least $1. And yes, as someone said, the tiebreaker is unknown.
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:00 PM   #632
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:06 PM   #633
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:10 PM   #634
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So....how 'bout them Dodgers?
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:14 PM   #635
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The day dawns on a dingy city. You love it for its night life, but in the morning all you can think of is those mafia getting a stranglehold on the city you love. That fact is made all the more clearer when you flip on the news. It seems they found Lathum in his hotel room, a bullet in his forehead. Naked as a jaybird too. Well, at least he went out on a high note.

Lathum was a regular Resident of Vegas.
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:16 PM   #636
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[quote=Autumn;2424173]Naked as a jaybird too. quote]

Sounds like Lathum
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:20 PM   #637
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:20 PM   #638
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Tank Wallace, Professional Bodyguard - hire Tank for protection
Mario Juarez, Private Investigator - Mario will get the dirt on anyone you want
Cassie's Escort Agency - there's lots of things to do in Vegas at night
Knuckles Cassini - word is that if you want someone taken care of, Knuckles will do your dirty work
Destiny, Vegas Showgirl - everyone in town spends some time with Destiny in their lap, for a price
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:22 PM   #639
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Okay, I'm out celebrating a friends bday but wanted to get this out there. I of course bought tank with my winnings but also bought Mario, and scanned DV. He is clean, a regular resident of Vegas.
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:29 PM   #641
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So according to two seers DV and CR are villagers.. we're bound to hit mafia at some point. I'm going to look at a few things here and post again in a few minutes.
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:34 PM   #642
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who was the 1st seer again?
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:37 PM   #643
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and where did jackal get enough $ to buy 2 services?
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:37 PM   #644
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JAG?
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:38 PM   #645
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Perfect Jackal, that's what I expected you would do and what we would find. I have a lot to say, either later tonight or tomorrow.
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:38 PM   #646
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and where did jackal get enough $ to buy 2 services?

Won the bet the first night.. so apparently winner gets more than $1500 bucks that I originally thought..
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:43 PM   #647
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No I know he won the bet, I'm just saying did it give him enough money to outbid everone on two services? It's possible of course, I'm just trying to keep an open mind.
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:52 PM   #648
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Right, unless someone flat out says how much $ you get for winning the bets, we won't really know. The total $$ amount on the two services tallies up to $4000. So now we know the winner gets at least $3000 assuming the $3000+$1000.

Seems like a lot of money to be had by winning a bet and would be extremely detrimental if the mafia ever won bets.

I'm wondering if we need to hit one of the apparent "Seers" to see what's what if we can't figure anything out during the day today. If a wolf said Chief Rum is safe and CR is a wolf then we'd nail two wolves by hitting JAG but at the same time we can't really afford to kill off another villager if JAG is innocent. The villagers NEED a hit today.. big time.

I am curious what JAG does have to bring up later/tomorrow. Eager to hear it sooner than later though.
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Old 02-12-2011, 09:34 PM   #649
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Old 02-12-2011, 09:42 PM   #650
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I won a lot of money for my D1 bet because I was the only person to bet on J. I spent most of it on those two bids. If I understand correctly it is split if multiple people get it right, but be aware that it is a ton of cash compared to what we started with. I wanted to use it to live and scan someone to make proper use of my winnings towards the village cause, and I did so. After my back and forth with DV and spending so much on tank I think it should be pretty clear that I'm a villager, but I realize there's lots of info in this game.
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