Werewolf LVIII: Clash of the Gods (GAME OVER)

[Poli]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

What was AC's "unchallenged reveal"?

I can't remember the name, but he said he's the god of smithing. Heph-something, I think.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by ArlingtonColt

I'm going out to eat tonight with my g/f and I'm not sure if I'll be back before the deadline...

I am Hephaestus the God of smithing, an olympian.

AC's reveal.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Racer

Vote ntndeacon

He voted for the same person as path last night and from what I can tell has been under the radar. This isn't definite, but I need a reason to switch my vote.

Ok this is the second person to say this about me this game. I don't see how I have been really under the radar. Normally I am under the radar, but I have made a bigger effort to post when I could and do it in blocks.

I will again say what my major problem with Chief's analysis (other than the fact it points to me among others ) I am making the assumption that we started out with 3 bad Titans. I just don't buy that 2 of the 3 titans were on the same guy in the first day. Now I admit this is just a theory, but since we know path voted for Barkeep, I am willing to give the others that voted for him a little break. And keeps them all from my least trusted list today.

Currently iam considering looking at the voters of Anxiety, Hoops and Neon.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i don't think i've seen hoopy in thread all day

I'm almost positive I've "seen" him, but I don't think we'll hear from him.

[DaddyTorgo]

who were those who voted for anxiety/hoops/neon?

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

And here's ntn. Magic.

Magic indeed. I leave to go to a meeting...internet working. I come back...not so much.

[st.cronin]

Come on, that's not a reveal. That means nothing.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Come on, that's not a reveal. That means nothing.

true i suppose. i was just thinking "smith...might make magical items for use...good guy"

[DaddyTorgo]

interestingly: in Greek thought, the fates of the goddess of wisdom and war (Athena) and the god of th forge that makes the weapons of war were linked.

[PurdueBrad]

Guys, I'm likely out until just about deadline. I'm leaving my vote as is for now but am willing to change.

DT, I see the "reveal" you are talking about it and it is the one thing, at this point, that is making me consider moving my vote.

Go Sox, and see you guys in a little bit.

[DaddyTorgo]

then again, claiming hephaestus doesn't necessarily make him a good olympian. hephaestus had his darker side, and who knows how the randomizing came up. *shrugs*

[Poli]

1) Render
2) Barkeep Lathum
3) Chief Rum
4) PurdueBrad Arlington Colt
5) St.Cronin render
6) Neon_Chaos Can't vote?
7) Lathum Arlington Colt
8) ntndeacon
9) ArlingtonColt Lathum
10) Passacaglia - Killed Day 1 Athena / Olympian
11) Telle
12) Hoopsguy Can't Vote?
13) Path12 - Lynched Day 1 Cronus / Titan
14) Anxiety ntndeacon
15) Ardent_Enthusiast Lathum
16) Racer ntndeacon
17) DaddyTorgo ntndeacon
18) Raiders Army Arlington Colt
19) Schmidty Arlington Colt

(no particular order)
Arlington Colt: RA, Lathum, Purdue Brad, Schmidty
Ntndeacon: Racer, Anxiety, Daddy Torgo
Lathum: Arlington Colt, AE, BK
Render: cronin

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

*shrug* i dunno what you're talking about RendeR. I haven't been contacted by you or anybody else. Not like Lathum where I had a midnight visitor or anything.

Don't know why you're trying so hard to link the two of us. Maybe because you have something to hide. Or else you have some knowledge of my goodness some other way.

I never said I had contacted you. Simply that You are a person I trust.

[ntndeacon]

After looking through the people voting for someone other than Barkeep or path I have a couple of observations...

First, I do not know whether it is just not knowing a lot about the game or nerves or that he is a Titan or a bad guy at least. Racer seems to be throwing out there some highly questionable things out there. For example what seems to me to be the main reason he is voting for me is that I voted along with path. There may be one other bad guy in the group who voted for BK but I kinda doubt it at the moment, and certainly not ALL of those that voted with path could be guilty. Note also that mine was the very first vote on Barkeep when it was a two man race. I will also note that Racer has been under the radar quite a bit.

I was a little surprised to seeing posts from cronin so little on the first day, but at the moment am just attributing that to him being busy as it seems he has started to post more today.

I am not sure what to make of RA and AE right now. If I had to choose early in the day if one was bad, I would have chosen AE,,, now not as sure. Of course the helpful wolf has been played before.


So after due thought and careful deliberation I will

Vote Racer

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

then again, claiming hephaestus doesn't necessarily make him a good olympian. hephaestus had his darker side, and who knows how the randomizing came up. *shrugs*

Why are you so sure there ARE bad Olympians. I agree hephaestus has a temper, but he is an Olympian.

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting. guys i'm out of here in like 10 minutes. i likely will not be home until very close to deadline. i will try to check in on my phone at the party depending, but i am not sure it will allow me to vote (pocket internet explorer sucks donkey balls with vbb).

[Poli]

Interesting vote.

1) Render
2) Barkeep Lathum
3) Chief Rum
4) PurdueBrad Arlington Colt
5) St.Cronin render
6) Neon_Chaos Can't vote?
7) Lathum Arlington Colt
8) ntndeacon Racer
9) ArlingtonColt Lathum
10) Passacaglia - Killed Day 1 Athena / Olympian
11) Telle
12) Hoopsguy Can't Vote?
13) Path12 - Lynched Day 1 Cronus / Titan
14) Anxiety ntndeacon
15) Ardent_Enthusiast Lathum
16) Racer ntndeacon
17) DaddyTorgo ntndeacon
18) Raiders Army Arlington Colt
19) Schmidty Arlington Colt

(no particular order)
Arlington Colt: RA, Lathum, Purdue Brad, Schmidty
Ntndeacon: Racer, Anxiety, Daddy Torgo
Lathum: Arlington Colt, AE, BK
Render: cronin
Racer: ntndeacon

Hmm. We're all about here now, save CR and Telle. Render's been in and out, but hasn't cast a vote.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Why are you so sure there ARE bad Olympians. I agree hephaestus has a temper, but he is an Olympian.

i'm just saying, there could be.

the possibility is open. why are you trying to convince me not to move my vote to AC when my vote is on you at the moment?

that's either ballsy covering wolf-play, or seriously concerned villager-play

[DaddyTorgo]

i find cronin's relatively hit-n-run vote for render interesting....

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i'm just saying, there could be.

the possibility is open. why are you trying to convince me not to move my vote to AC when my vote is on you at the moment?

that's either ballsy covering wolf-play, or seriously concerned villager-play

Well I assume that question will be answered tonight about my style of play. But I do not see that possibility as being open. The rules are pretty clear on that to me. I would also guess that Aphrodite is more likely to be in the game since Hephaestus is (zHusband and Wife if iremember my mythology correctly.)

[DaddyTorgo]

okay...i'm out!

[ntndeacon]

Well folks I am out till at least 8:30 -8:45 (all times are central time ) Chior calls.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i find cronin's relatively hit-n-run vote for render interesting....

I haven't run.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

CR: Good anlaysis except that I put 5 votes, not 4 on path. I'm not sure from DT's message if he put 4 on path or 5. So it moves up, slightly, the amount of possible votes on path. This makes it somewhat likely that a titan could have bumped up the votes on me, while still doing some other action.

I thought Alan said you could only put in four points yesterday. One point is always reserved for vote and one is always reserved for action. The rest are for your choosing, but that's only three points. So four total.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Its mentioned briefly in the rules, but I also posted this clarification:



Unless your role says otherwise, you are capped at 4AP for the vote regardless if you use an action or not. Anyone who submitted a 5AP vote yesterday will have been capped at 4AP for their vote with 1 wasted point regardless if they got a PM or not, unless their role dictates otherwise.

Whoops, Alan covered it. Nevermind.

[Poli]

Almost time for must see tv.

I'll be in and out like a fiddler's elbow.

[Raiders Army]

I'm really impressed that we nailed a Titan on Day 1.

That being said, I hope we can keep it up. Since AC did a reveal and no one has opposed it (hopefully Neon isn't Heph), I'll unvote.

UNVOTE ARLINGTONCOLT

I have three people in my CoT right now...but they are not going in the same direction. I'm going with

VOTE LATHUM

since AC voted for him and Lathum voted for AC after me.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Almost time for must see tv.

I'll be in and out like a fiddler's elbow.

Yeah, some good shit on tonight. I loves me some Kid Nation and Kitchen Nightmares...and Phenomenon is on tonight as well!

[Poli]

We're watching Kid Nation now. No idea what else is on yet.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I'm really impressed that we nailed a Titan on Day 1.

That being said, I hope we can keep it up. Since AC did a reveal and no one has opposed it (hopefully Neon isn't Heph), I'll unvote.

UNVOTE ARLINGTONCOLT

I have three people in my CoT right now...but they are not going in the same direction. I'm going with

VOTE LATHUM

since AC voted for him and Lathum voted for AC after me.

I'm not sure but I tihnk AC's reveal came after lathum left?

If not then I agree with you and may vote that way, but if he left first I'll wait a bit before making up my mind.

[Poli]

1) Render
2) Barkeep Lathum
3) Chief Rum
4) PurdueBrad Arlington Colt
5) St.Cronin render
6) Neon_Chaos Can't vote?
7) Lathum Arlington Colt
8) ntndeacon Racer
9) ArlingtonColt Lathum
10) Passacaglia - Killed Day 1 Athena / Olympian
11) Telle
12) Hoopsguy Can't Vote?
13) Path12 - Lynched Day 1 Cronus / Titan
14) Anxiety ntndeacon
15) Ardent_Enthusiast Lathum
16) Racer ntndeacon
17) DaddyTorgo ntndeacon
18) Raiders Army Lathum
19) Schmidty Arlington Colt

(no particular order)
Arlington Colt: Lathum, Purdue Brad, Schmidty
Ntndeacon: Racer, Anxiety, Daddy Torgo
Lathum: Arlington Colt, AE, BK, RA
Render: cronin
Racer: ntndeacon

[st.cronin]

Ardent, have you been tracking whether people have been claiming more than 1 AP for their vote?

[Poli]

I didn't track that, but when I first started tracking I quoted the votes. I don't recall anyone saying it was a 1 AP vote other than me.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I'm not sure but I tihnk AC's reveal came after lathum left?

If not then I agree with you and may vote that way, but if he left first I'll wait a bit before making up my mind.

Yeah, I'm not sure about anything other than the 3 (possibly 4 if AC is on the level) that are in my CoT.

I wonder what happened to hoops?

[Poli]

I've got a guess. Could he be the messenger?

[Poli]

Hermes - Messenger of Heaven...didn't have to quote it from Alan T. Show's back on.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I've got a guess. Could he be the messenger?

Can you expound upon this a bit? what makes you think so?

[Chief Rum]

Hmm, I don't know that today's voting patterns are very satisfactory for me. The best candidate, I think, is Arlington Colt, prior to reveal, but like others, I am reluctant right now to just lynch someone who claims to be an Olympian, at least not without some further evidence.

That said, everyone here is giving too much weight to reveals. I mean, Alan as much as said the wolves have ways to work around mass reveals. Someone suggested that they might know what roles are in the game, and having used that myself in a game as a GM, I have to think that is a strong possibility. If so, no reveal (by character name, that is) is in and of itself a voucher for safety. For all we know, Hephaestus is not in the game, AC is a Titan and is hiding his identity, and since he theoretically would know who is in the game, his "reveal" goes unchallenged.

So not saying he isn't who he says he is, but we should probably not look the other way so fast just because of a reveal.

As to the rest of the options, Lathum is a tough sell for me, because if he is a Titan, why would he and path let path get lynched yesterday? I already showed how close that vote likely was, and noted that Lathum was around at the deadline (proven by his posting).

ntndeacon fits the bill best if we let AC slide for now, although my vibe says he's good. Votes on Render just confuse me, as I think he comes off pretty good from yesterday. I would look askance at anyone voting for Render or Barkeep or Neon right now--it doesn't make sense without a ton more evidence that they would be Titans. So cronin is on the list (but he sorta always he is, isn't he?).

Anyway, I'm going to go with ntndeacon for now, but it's a vote I can change.

VOTE NTNDEACON

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Can you expound upon this a bit? what makes you think so?

Everyone in the game is here, right? Who's hoops delivering a message to that would take him away from the game? No, while I don't discount the possibility he is Hermes, I don't think he is delivering a message. I think he is incognito for game purposes, probably as a result of an action taken against him last night. We will probably see him back tonight. Much like Neon, though, he likely isn't able to participate until the deadline.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Hmm, I don't know that today's voting patterns are very satisfactory for me. The best candidate, I think, is Arlington Colt, prior to reveal, but like others, I am reluctant right now to just lynch someone who claims to be an Olympian, at least not without some further evidence.

That said, everyone here is giving too much weight to reveals. I mean, Alan as much as said the wolves have ways to work around mass reveals. Someone suggested that they might know what roles are in the game, and having used that myself in a game as a GM, I have to think that is a strong possibility. If so, no reveal (by character name, that is) is in and of itself a voucher for safety. For all we know, Hephaestus is not in the game, AC is a Titan and is hiding his identity, and since he theoretically would know who is in the game, his "reveal" goes unchallenged.

So not saying he isn't who he says he is, but we should probably not look the other way so fast just because of a reveal.

As to the rest of the options, Lathum is a tough sell for me, because if he is a Titan, why would he and path let path get lynched yesterday? I already showed how close that vote likely was, and noted that Lathum was around at the deadline (proven by his posting).

ntndeacon fits the bill best if we let AC slide for now, although my vibe says he's good. Votes on Render just confuse me, as I think he comes off pretty good from yesterday. I would look askance at anyone voting for Render or Barkeep or Neon right now--it doesn't make sense without a ton more evidence that they would be Titans. So cronin is on the list (but he sorta always he is, isn't he?).

Why would Render look good from yesterday? Did he vote for path?

I do agree with this analysis, particularly concerning Lathum. I don't understand the votes against him.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

...So cronin is on the list (but he sorta always he is, isn't he?).

AMEN Brother!


That being said I actually feel pretty good about Cronin this game, even though he did throw a vote at me =)

[Poli]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Can you expound upon this a bit? what makes you think so?

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Everyone in the game is here, right? Who's hoops delivering a message to that would take him away from the game? No, while I don't discount the possibility he is Hermes, I don't think he is delivering a message. I think he is incognito for game purposes, probably as a result of an action taken against him last night. We will probably see him back tonight. Much like Neon, though, he likely isn't able to participate until the deadline.

I seem to remember a game that took us to...some sort of "area" out of the game. When I read he disappeared or whatever, that was my initial thought, anyhow.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by RendeR

That being said I actually feel pretty good about Cronin this game

Why?

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Why would Render look good from yesterday? Did he vote for path?

I do agree with this analysis, particularly concerning Lathum. I don't understand the votes against him.

Dude, where have you been? From this post its almost like you haven't read the thread at all? This concerns me as you're normaly VERY on top of the game. Not saying that I've done anything specific to gain trust, but I definitely was involved in getting things rolling in a better direction last night.

BK had some points that would throw a bad light on Lathum. Personally I disagree and think Lathum was just arguing an opposite side to BK because they tend to butt heads that way.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Why would Render look good from yesterday? Did he vote for path?

Yes, Render was one of the four (along with BK, DTorgo and Neon) that essentially got path hung in the final hour yesterday. I doubt a Titan would participate in a mad rush to hang their own king.

[Raiders Army]

At this point, I'm not going to change my vote. Primetime TV comes on in 13 minutes and I've got to prepare by taking a leak (TMI, I know), getting something to eat and grabbing another beer. Good luck to us all.

[Poli]

1) Render
2) Barkeep Lathum
3) Chief Rum ntndeacon
4) PurdueBrad Arlington Colt
5) St.Cronin render
6) Neon_Chaos Can't vote?
7) Lathum Arlington Colt
8) ntndeacon Racer
9) ArlingtonColt Lathum
10) Passacaglia - Killed Day 1 Athena / Olympian
11) Telle
12) Hoopsguy Can't Vote?
13) Path12 - Lynched Day 1 Cronus / Titan
14) Anxiety ntndeacon
15) Ardent_Enthusiast Lathum
16) Racer ntndeacon
17) DaddyTorgo ntndeacon
18) Raiders Army Lathum
19) Schmidty Arlington Colt

(no particular order)
Arlington Colt: Lathum, Purdue Brad, Schmidty
Ntndeacon: Racer, Anxiety, Daddy Torgo, CR
Lathum: Arlington Colt, AE, BK, RA
Render: cronin
Racer: ntndeacon

I think this is accurate.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Why?

Normaly with you my senses almost always scream wolf. but not tihs game. Why? no clue. but I put a lot of stock in my own gut feelings and thus far nothing you've done or said has pushed me to distrust you at all.

I don't TRUST you yet either, of course =)

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Dude, where have you been? From this post its almost like you haven't read the thread at all? This concerns me as you're normaly VERY on top of the game. Not saying that I've done anything specific to gain trust, but I definitely was involved in getting things rolling in a better direction last night.

BK had some points that would throw a bad light on Lathum. Personally I disagree and think Lathum was just arguing an opposite side to BK because they tend to butt heads that way.

I know you were leading us away from BK. I'm not as convinced that just voting for path clears anybody. With the way the votes work, I think its possible that the wolves might take a chance that they could push the vote behind the scenes.

[st.cronin]

I guess I'll get on the ntn train.

UNVOTE RENDER

VOTE NTNDEACON