Superping-Jesus

nfg22 · 03-22-2004, 01:19 PM

This is an attemp to get what we had back, which for the most part was Questions that were pretty good and answers. Without too much finger pointing or crude jokes. So arguments against Christianity can be presented and then we do our best to explain them. Please no Crude jokes or anything of the sort.

vex · 03-22-2004, 01:19 PM

Give it up.

Hurst2112 · 03-22-2004, 01:20 PM

Don't give it up.

nfg22 · 03-22-2004, 01:20 PM

No sir I just read a whole thread on how people wanted it back so, denied.

Subby · 03-22-2004, 01:24 PM

Do Jewish children killed by Muslim suicide bombers go to Heaven?

Edit: Yes, this is a serious question.

NoMyths · 03-22-2004, 01:26 PM

So this barrel of oil walks into a bar and sits next to a beautiful woman. He leans over and whispers in her ear. Suddenly the woman smacks him and the barrel staggers out of the bar. The bartender says, "How come you hit him?" The woman says, "He was crude."

I got nothing.

nfg22 · 03-22-2004, 01:28 PM

if you are serious about the Jewish question. They go to heaven if they have faith Jesus died for their sins.

nfg22 · 03-22-2004, 01:30 PM

I just found out a couple weeks ago that the Shriners are acually muslim is there roots. and the sword and moon on their caps is from when Muhhamed went and slaughered a whole town of Christians that kicked him out. The moon is from the tribal god that Muhhamed came from. He was the god of the moon and the chosen god of Muhhamed's tribe.

Buddy Grant · 03-22-2004, 01:30 PM

Do dogs go to heaven?

vex · 03-22-2004, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by nfg22

if you are serious about the Jewish question. They go to heaven if they have faith Jesus died for their sins.

Actually, they would go to Heaven because they are only children. Assuming they didn't understand yet.

wig · 03-22-2004, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddy Grant

Do dogs go to heaven?

All Dogs Go To Heaven

Subby · 03-22-2004, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by nfg22

if you are serious about the Jewish question. They go to heaven if they have faith Jesus died for their sins.

They are Jewish, so they don't believe in Jesus or don't have any real concept of religion. For instance, 7-year-old Elisabeth was just enjoying an ice cream with her mother at an outdoor cafe when a suicide bomber walked up and detonated himself...instantly killing himself, Elisabeth, her mother, and everyone else in a 10-foot radius.

So...no Heaven for seven year-old Elisabeth?

Sharpieman · 03-22-2004, 01:31 PM

Why does the Christian religion accept the notion of Holy Trinity? It was created by a bunch of Priests during some meeting. It was never in the Bible. They just created it to explain what was in the Bible, a way of interpreting it.

nfg22 · 03-22-2004, 01:32 PM

Also if the considered theory of age of understanding is true, which means that before u can make descisions for yourself, at a young age, you go to heaven because you did not know better.

vex · 03-22-2004, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wig

All Dogs Go To Heaven

Well, duh, they made TWO movies about it.

vex · 03-22-2004, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by nfg22

Also if the considered theory of age of understanding is true, which means that before u can make descisions for yourself, at a young age, you go to heaven because you did not know better.

considered theory???

nfg22 · 03-22-2004, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharpieman

Why does the Christian religion accept the notion of Holy Trinity? It was created by a bunch of Priests during some meeting. It was never in the Bible. They just created it to explain what was in the Bible, a way of interpreting it.

To my best understanding. The father is talked about in the NT, The Son is talked about in the NT and the Holy Spirit is talked about. They are are reffered to in ways that make them seem seperate but connected so it is assumed while they are all properties of the same, they are all seperate in what they do.

Subby · 03-22-2004, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by nfg22

Also if the considered theory of age of understanding is true, which means that before u can make descisions for yourself, at a young age, you go to heaven because you did not know better.

At what age does the Age of Understanding exception expire?

nfg22 · 03-22-2004, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by vexroid

considered theory???

Well Kinda a theory. Age of accountibility is never mentioned outrightly in the Bible so most Christians believe that there is a certain point where you are not denied into Heaven

wig · 03-22-2004, 01:34 PM

It sounds like we're just making stuff up now.

"age of understanding"?

vex · 03-22-2004, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby

At what age does the Age of Understanding exception expire?

Once the child understands.

vex · 03-22-2004, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nfg22

Well Kinda a theory. Age of accountibility is never mentioned outrightly in the Bible so most Christians believe that there is a certain point where you are not denied into Heaven

Like a child? Sound familiar?

Sharpieman · 03-22-2004, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nfg22

To my best understanding. The father is talked about in the NT, The Son is talked about in the NT and the Holy Spirit is talked about. They are are reffered to in ways that make them seem seperate but connected so it is assumed while they are all properties of the same, they are all seperate in what they do.

Yes, but my point is that it was "Holy Trinity" was never in the Bible. Its the same thing with the Predestination idea of Calvinists. Calvin just made it up and over years and years of tradition people just accept it as if it were created by God.

nfg22 · 03-22-2004, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby

At what age does the Age of Understanding exception expire?

I guess whenever you can make the descision for yourself.

Maple Leafs · 03-22-2004, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddy Grant

Do dogs go to heaven?

http://www.theonion.com/opinion/

vex · 03-22-2004, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharpieman

Yes, but my point is that it was "Holy Trinity" was never in the Bible. Its the same thing with the Predestination idea of Calvinists. Calvin just made it up and over years and years of tradition people just accept it as if it were created by God.

Calvinism is just crazy.

sachmo71 · 03-22-2004, 01:37 PM

In my heaven, there are rows and rows of books about stuff I like, and 24 hour all you can eat resturants, and lots of video games.

I have a question though. If my wife is still alive, and I am in heaven, can I have sex with someone else, or is it still a sin?

Subby · 03-22-2004, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by vexroid

Once the child understands.

And who makes the final decision on whether or not they understand?

So some 8 year-olds could understand but some 15 year-olds might not?

What about a child with a learning disability...at what point does the exception expire for them? What if they never understand?

nfg22 · 03-22-2004, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by wig

It sounds like we're just making stuff up now.

"age of understanding"?

Humans cannot understand everything God has made or the rules of Heaven because we dont have the capacity to understand the full outright intellegence of our Creator. So no I dont know if I am right on this point but that is my best understanding.

Huckleberry · 03-22-2004, 01:38 PM

What about an adult who lives in a remote area of the planet and who has never been introduced to Christianity? He dies after living a life that consisted of love, charity, and singular devotion to his lifelong mate.

No Heaven for him?

Sharpieman · 03-22-2004, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by vexroid

Calvinism is just crazy.

Well I guess Catholics are too since the Pope and Priests like to make up things too. For example, Purgatory. Its not in the Bible, Priests just made it up so that more people would convert.

nfg22 · 03-22-2004, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby

And who makes the final decision on whether or not they understand?

So some 8 year-olds could understand but some 15 year-olds might not?

What about a child with a learning disability...at what point does the exception expire for them? What if they never understand?

God makes the descicion. he know all hearts and he can discern better than anyone.

John Galt · 03-22-2004, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby

At what age does the Age of Understanding exception expire?

I admit I'm not the most knowledgable person when it comes to religion, but I've never heard of this "age of understanding" stuff. My impression has always been that original sin means even an infant doesn't go to heaven. And a Jewish girl of any age would never get in. Of course, most of my early education was from Catholics, but I would be curious where "age of understanding" comes from (in the Bible).

Subby · 03-22-2004, 01:38 PM

So far you are both doing a horrible job of explaining your interpretation of Christianity to me.

EDIT: Or answering my questions, anyway...

wig · 03-22-2004, 01:40 PM

To me it sounds like someone came up with the same question Subby did, and couldn't find an answer.

So they made up the idea of "age of understanding" to feel better.

nfg22 · 03-22-2004, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Huckleberry

What about an adult who lives in a remote area of the planet and who has never been introduced to Christianity? He dies after living a life that consisted of love, charity, and singular devotion to his lifelong mate.

No Heaven for him?

I dont know. I have debated this with Christian friends many times. It says in the Bible that all will be Judged according to what they have done. But it also says the people that follow God's moral laws without knowing will be declared rightous.(Sp?)

Subby · 03-22-2004, 01:43 PM

Why did God allow the Holocaust, the Armenian Genocide and other atrocities to occur?

nfg22 · 03-22-2004, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by John Galt

I admit I'm not the most knowledgable person when it comes to religion, but I've never heard of this "age of understanding" stuff. My impression has always been that original sin means even an infant doesn't go to heaven. And a Jewish girl of any age would never get in. Of course, most of my early education was from Catholics, but I would be curious where "age of understanding" comes from (in the Bible).

We all have sins through our fathers but since Jesus the rules changed in that he was our sacrifice, as where before sacrifices had to be made to make up for our sins he already did that so faith in him washes our sins away.

nfg22 · 03-22-2004, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby

Why did God allow the Holocaust, the Armenian Genocide and other atrocities to occur?

Well it depends what portion your asking to. Why did he allow suffering? The suffering is a consequence of our freedom of choice. People chose to persecute others and that is why it happend. Granted God didnt like it but he allowed it because he gave us freedom of choice.

cody8200 · 03-22-2004, 01:46 PM

Age of understanding makes perfect sense. If a child doesn';t understand the concept of death, doesn't understand sin, then he can;t possibly be held accountable for his sin by a just God(christian God). Many times in the Bible it is mentioned that to enter heaven you need to be 'like a child' meaning the innocence or the heart of a child. This at least is my belief and the belief of most protestants. I believe that Catholics think that if a child is not baptized then they cannot go to heaven. However I am not sure about that.

As far as predestination, as far as I know no mainstream Christian group STILL believes in that concept. Calvin was ridiculous. I remember that he said that only those in the elect will go to heaven. No matter how much good or bad you do it doesn;t matter because your soul is predestined. It's a very upsetting concept and left many people feeling like they were worthless. People began committing crimes and not going to church under Calvinism...after all it didn;t matter what they did anyway. Crazy stuff.

vex · 03-22-2004, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Subby

Why did God allow the Holocaust, the Armenian Genocide and other atrocities to occur?

I'll ask when I get there.

nfg22 · 03-22-2004, 01:46 PM

I must write a paper now will be back later tonight and will answer questions if there arent too many. Ill try to answer as many as I can. Thanks for asking good questions sorry I dont have all the answers.

wig · 03-22-2004, 01:47 PM

So there is no chance for a person born in China to get to heaven, unless it somehow finds someone to teach it about Jesus?

nfg22 · 03-22-2004, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cody8200

Age of understanding makes perfect sense. If a child doesn';t understand the concept of death, doesn't understand sin, then he can;t possibly be held accountable for his sin by a just God(christian God). Many times in the Bible it is mentioned that to enter heaven you need to be 'like a child' meaning the innocence or the heart of a child. This at least is my belief and the belief of most protestants. I believe that Catholics think that if a child is not baptized then they cannot go to heaven. However I am not sure about that.

As far as predestination, as far as I know no mainstream Christian group STILL believes in that concept. Calvin was ridiculous. I remember that he said that only those in the elect will go to heaven. No matter how much good or bad you do it doesn;t matter because your soul is predestined. It's a very upsetting concept and left many people feeling like they were worthless. People began committing crimes and not going to church under Calvinism...after all it didn;t matter what they did anyway. Crazy stuff.

I dont know where in the Bible but I think it was Solomon, maybe someone else in the Old Testament had their young child suffer and on the brink of dying. And He mourned while the child was alive and suffering but when the child died he was back to normal and when questioned why he wasnt still sad he said " The child is with the Lord now and is no longer of my worrys" or sumthing like that. Will look it up later. Gotta go.

Sharpieman · 03-22-2004, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cody8200

Age of understanding makes perfect sense. If a child doesn';t understand the concept of death, doesn't understand sin, then he can;t possibly be held accountable for his sin by a just God(christian God). Many times in the Bible it is mentioned that to enter heaven you need to be 'like a child' meaning the innocence or the heart of a child. This at least is my belief and the belief of most protestants. I believe that Catholics think that if a child is not baptized then they cannot go to heaven. However I am not sure about that.

As far as predestination, as far as I know no mainstream Christian group STILL believes in that concept. Calvin was ridiculous. I remember that he said that only those in the elect will go to heaven. No matter how much good or bad you do it doesn;t matter because your soul is predestined. It's a very upsetting concept and left many people feeling like they were worthless. People began committing crimes and not going to church under Calvinism...after all it didn;t matter what they did anyway. Crazy stuff.

Actually Predestination is still preached in many Presbyterian Churches. And if its "crazy stuff" The Catholic religion must be at least equally crazy. The idea of Purgatory is not in the Bible...look it up. It was created by Catholic Priests and is now accepted as fact even though every historian knows that it was created to increase the number of converts.

AgPete · 03-22-2004, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by vexroid

I'll ask when I get there.

That's basically what I've decided too.

When I die, if there's a white light, I'll find the big man myself and bring up a few things I'm pisssed about. Of course, I just hope I don't get thrown down the dumper into the fires of hell before I get a chance to voice my complaints about the affairs of Earth.

nfg22 · 03-22-2004, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wig

So there is no chance for a person born in China to get to heaven, unless it somehow finds someone to teach it about Jesus?

LOL last post here I gotta go. I just posted earlier that that is debated because all will be Judged and all have sinned but also those that are good and follow Gods law without being told it are declared rightous is the kingdom of heaven.

Sharpieman · 03-22-2004, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wig

So there is no chance for a person born in China to get to heaven, unless it somehow finds someone to teach it about Jesus?

Jesus isn't the only way to salvation. There are many other religions out there that can help one reach salvation. God takes many forms, Jesus, Ganesh etc...

wig · 03-22-2004, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nfg22

LOL last post here I gotta go. I just posted earlier that that is debated because all will be Judged and all have sinned but also those that are good and follow Gods law without being told it are declared rightous is the kingdom of heaven.

ok, I was under the impression that you had to believe in Jesus.

WSUCougar · 03-22-2004, 01:53 PM

Props to nfg22 for taking on all these questions. A noble effort.

As an aside, I'm curious about you skeptics. Do you believe in any form of afterlife?

03-22-2004, 01:20 PM	#3
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03-22-2004, 01:24 PM	#5
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Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	So far you are both doing a horrible job of explaining your interpretation of Christianity to me. EDIT: Or answering my questions, anyway... Last edited by Subby : 03-22-2004 at 01:40 PM.

03-22-2004, 01:47 PM	#43
wig Banned Join Date: Jan 2004	So there is no chance for a person born in China to get to heaven, unless it somehow finds someone to teach it about Jesus? Last edited by wig : 03-22-2004 at 01:48 PM.

03-22-2004, 01:19 PM	#2
vex Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tulsa	Give it up.

03-22-2004, 01:20 PM	#4
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	No sir I just read a whole thread on how people wanted it back so, denied.

03-22-2004, 01:26 PM	#6
NoMyths Poet in Residence Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Charleston, SC	So this barrel of oil walks into a bar and sits next to a beautiful woman. He leans over and whispers in her ear. Suddenly the woman smacks him and the barrel staggers out of the bar. The bartender says, "How come you hit him?" The woman says, "He was crude." I got nothing.

03-22-2004, 01:28 PM	#7
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	if you are serious about the Jewish question. They go to heaven if they have faith Jesus died for their sins.

03-22-2004, 01:30 PM	#8
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	I just found out a couple weeks ago that the Shriners are acually muslim is there roots. and the sword and moon on their caps is from when Muhhamed went and slaughered a whole town of Christians that kicked him out. The moon is from the tribal god that Muhhamed came from. He was the god of the moon and the chosen god of Muhhamed's tribe.

03-22-2004, 01:30 PM	#9
Buddy Grant High School JV Join Date: Oct 2000	Do dogs go to heaven?

03-22-2004, 01:31 PM	#13
Sharpieman Greatly Missed. (7/11/84-06/12/05) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Palo Alto, CA	Why does the Christian religion accept the notion of Holy Trinity? It was created by a bunch of Priests during some meeting. It was never in the Bible. They just created it to explain what was in the Bible, a way of interpreting it.

03-22-2004, 01:32 PM	#14
nfg22 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2004	Also if the considered theory of age of understanding is true, which means that before u can make descisions for yourself, at a young age, you go to heaven because you did not know better.

03-22-2004, 01:34 PM	#20
wig Banned Join Date: Jan 2004	It sounds like we're just making stuff up now. "age of understanding"?

03-22-2004, 01:37 PM	#27
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	In my heaven, there are rows and rows of books about stuff I like, and 24 hour all you can eat resturants, and lots of video games. I have a question though. If my wife is still alive, and I am in heaven, can I have sex with someone else, or is it still a sin?

03-22-2004, 01:40 PM	#35
wig Banned Join Date: Jan 2004	To me it sounds like someone came up with the same question Subby did, and couldn't find an answer. So they made up the idea of "age of understanding" to feel better.

03-22-2004, 01:43 PM	#37
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	Why did God allow the Holocaust, the Armenian Genocide and other atrocities to occur?

03-22-2004, 01:46 PM	#40
cody8200 High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2000	Age of understanding makes perfect sense. If a child doesn';t understand the concept of death, doesn't understand sin, then he can;t possibly be held accountable for his sin by a just God(christian God). Many times in the Bible it is mentioned that to enter heaven you need to be 'like a child' meaning the innocence or the heart of a child. This at least is my belief and the belief of most protestants. I believe that Catholics think that if a child is not baptized then they cannot go to heaven. However I am not sure about that. As far as predestination, as far as I know no mainstream Christian group STILL believes in that concept. Calvin was ridiculous. I remember that he said that only those in the elect will go to heaven. No matter how much good or bad you do it doesn;t matter because your soul is predestined. It's a very upsetting concept and left many people feeling like they were worthless. People began committing crimes and not going to church under Calvinism...after all it didn;t matter what they did anyway. Crazy stuff.

03-22-2004, 01:53 PM	#50
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	Props to nfg22 for taking on all these questions. A noble effort. As an aside, I'm curious about you skeptics. Do you believe in any form of afterlife? __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

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