Front Office Football Central  

Go Back   Front Office Football Central > Main Forums > Off Topic
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read Statistics

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-16-2018, 07:24 AM   #351
illinifan999
Pro Rookie
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: VA
Quote:
Originally Posted by corbes View Post
A throwaway one-line anecdote and namecalling as proof of why we should distrust the work of 35,000 federal employees. Classy contributions to the dialogue.

__________________
Chicago Eagles
2 time ZFL champions
We're "rebuilding"
illinifan999 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 07:45 AM   #352
Edward64
Head Coach
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by JPhillips View Post
The biggest problem for minorities is the decades of wealth confiscation that has left them far behind equivalent white families. That gap can't be overcome in a decade or two.

I'm not sure I agree with the term wealth confiscation. However, my discussion with thesloppy was in regards to peers in other countries (and not whites as a whole).

Quote:
... it is much better than before and a minority/lower class in US has a much better chance of doing well in the US vs their peers in other countries.
Edward64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 08:52 AM   #353
HomerSimpson98
High School Varsity
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Cowtown, TX
Russian Bots
HomerSimpson98 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 09:41 AM   #354
ISiddiqui
Hall Of Famer
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
Quote:
Originally Posted by tarcone View Post
Also, you mentioned the 1850s. And "Go West, young man" would have been coined in the 1850s, 75 years after the country was founded.

Yes, as when non land owning white men could vote in every state of the union. 75 years after the country was founded. You realize that kicks your point in the crotch?
__________________
"A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages"
-Tennessee Williams
ISiddiqui is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 09:46 AM   #355
ISiddiqui
Hall Of Famer
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
Quote:
Originally Posted by Edward64 View Post
my personal experience tells me otherwise

On a side note, what opinion do you have of sabermetrics in baseball and scouts who say "I know what I see/saw"?
__________________
"A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages"
-Tennessee Williams
ISiddiqui is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 09:54 AM   #356
BYU 14
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: The scorched Desert
Quote:
Originally Posted by Edward64 View Post
I'm not sure I agree with the term wealth confiscation. However, my discussion with thesloppy was in regards to peers in other countries (and not whites as a whole).

Then call it wealth restriction if you prefer, but the fact is 50 years of equal rights does still not equate to equal opportunity when others have a 200 year head start.
BYU 14 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 10:09 AM   #357
Arles
Grey Dog Software
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Phoenix, AZ by way of Belleville, IL
I've said this after every mass shooting and will continue until it happens. Can we atleast start by outlawing high-capacity magazines? It won't necessarily "solve" the issue, but it can help cut down on the number of deaths. I just don't see a legitimate reason to allow people to carry weapons with 20-30+ round magazines.
__________________
Developer of Bowl Bound College Football
http://www.greydogsoftware.com
Arles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 10:18 AM   #358
BishopMVP
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Concord, MA/UMass
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevew View Post
That's a really bad idea jeans level idea. Maybe if you screen the hell out of them, but otherwise hell naw.
Yup. It's not fun to talk about, but a sizable portion of unemployed veterans are suffering from some sort of PTSD, and the last thing we need is crazy people with guns and actual military training in schools.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RainMaker View Post
You have to be 21 to buy a handgun in Florida. There is a 3-day waiting period.

You only have to be 18 to buy a semiautomatic rifle and there is no waiting period.
The craziest part about that is I guess that's a federal law, not some Floridian quirk?Attention Required! | Cloudflare Though in Florida you also apparently don't need any permit to concealed carry long guns or rifles.

Btw it is interesting that the "gun control" debate (and btw, congrats everyone, because we found a way to spin a gun control debate off into a completely new direction, discussing inherited wealth in the colonies, instead of rehashing the same talking points for once! ) still gets talked about like it can only be solved nationally, but it's perfectly legal for states to ban AR-15's, high capacity magazines, etc, like Massachusetts and a couple other states do. (California, New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Connecticut iirc. Maybe Illinois?). The way the 4th Circuit defined them they don't fall under the 2nd Amendment, but >80% of states choose to allow them. If I was trying to effect change I think giving up on Congress and focusing on slowly pushing more states on the margins to adopt stricter gun laws would be my play.

Last edited by BishopMVP : 02-16-2018 at 10:27 AM.
BishopMVP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 10:43 AM   #359
Butter
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Dayton, OH
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevew View Post
That's a really bad idea jeans level idea. Maybe if you screen the hell out of them, but otherwise hell naw.

I thought I was the only person who still referred to things as "Bad Idea Jeans".
__________________
My listening habits
Butter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 10:44 AM   #360
DanGarion
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: The Great Northwest
Quote:
Originally Posted by stevew View Post
That's a really bad idea jeans level idea. Maybe if you screen the hell out of them, but otherwise hell naw.

Sounds like what we should do for anyone that is allowed to have a gun in this country... oh wait.
__________________
Los Angeles Dodgers
Check out the FOFC Groups on Facebook! and Reddit!
DON'T REPORT ME BRO!
DanGarion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 10:49 AM   #361
PilotMan
Head Coach
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Seven miles up
Quote:
Originally Posted by BishopMVP View Post


Btw it is interesting that the "gun control" debate (and btw, congrats everyone, because we found a way to spin a gun control debate off into a completely new direction, discussing inherited wealth in the colonies, instead of rehashing the same talking points for once! ) still gets talked about like it can only be solved nationally, but it's perfectly legal for states to ban AR-15's, high capacity magazines, etc, like Massachusetts and a couple other states do. (California, New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Connecticut iirc. Maybe Illinois?). The way the 4th Circuit defined them they don't fall under the 2nd Amendment, but >80% of states choose to allow them. If I was trying to effect change I think giving up on Congress and focusing on slowly pushing more states on the margins to adopt stricter gun laws would be my play.

The problem with attacking it at a local level is what you see in Chicago. People love to point to the gun violence numbers in Chicago, where guns are banned more or less, as a reason why controlling them won't work. But there aren't walls around any of these places.

Indiana and Wisconsin have some of the least restrictive gun laws in the US. Any state that would have lax laws would be a starting point for someone to get them. That almost makes the local ordinance completely useless because it can't control the 'spillover effect.'

True progress has to be attacked at all levels, any weakness is simply exploited for the opposition narrative.
__________________
He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops.

Like Steam?
Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam



PilotMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 10:56 AM   #362
molson
General Manager
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
It's kind of a death spiral because the more that this is a heated social media issue (that Russia is probably fanning the flames of), gun sales just increase and increase. Well, until 2017 anyway. That was the first time gun sales didn't set a new record in many years, and it was almost definitely because we had a conservative president and people were no longer afraid of new gun control legislation.

It's not intuitive, it's not rational, but the only proven way to decrease gun sales in the U.S. is to remove the threat of gun control legislation. And once a country is really, really full of guns, you'd have to change the 4th Amendment as well as the 2nd to get them all back. If there was actually ever a real effort to seriously restrict guns - I can't even imagine the floodgates that that would open.

I took a full-day gun safety course last year to get the enhanced concealed weapon permit. Not because I needed it, it was just a social group thing. But I have enjoyed going out shooting in the desert with those people over the last few months, and due to the nature of my job I probably should have some limited firearm home protection. The class was really helpful with gun safety and becoming competent with a handgun - I had never touched one before. But it think it otherwise promoted a general gun enthusiasm. Which shouldn't have been surprising, it's generally going to be gun enthusiasts who are qualified to teach gun classes. But the tone was a little more uh, patriotic and political than I expected.

It would probably be a good thing if more people were required to take classes before buying guns, or at least handguns, or to get concealed weapon permits. I think they definitely cut back on accidents. But I'm not sure it would cut back on gun violence, and it might increase the number of gun nuts.

Last edited by molson : 02-16-2018 at 10:57 AM.
molson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 11:20 AM   #363
Edward64
Head Coach
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by molson View Post
I took a full-day gun safety course last year to get the enhanced concealed weapon permit. Not because I needed it, it was just a social group thing. But I have enjoyed going out shooting in the desert with those people over the last few months, and due to the nature of my job I probably should have some limited firearm home protection. The class was really helpful with gun safety and becoming competent with a handgun - I had never touched one before. But it think it otherwise promoted a general gun enthusiasm. Which shouldn't have been surprising, it's generally going to be gun enthusiasts who are qualified to teach gun classes. But the tone was a little more uh, patriotic and political than I expected.

I chuckled on your comment on "uh, patriotic and political" than you expected. This has been my experience at my pseudo-gun "club". I love the patriotic but stay away from the political and conspiracy theories as best as possible (too many firearms around!).

For me it's great training, builds up my skills, and good fellowship.
Edward64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 11:30 AM   #364
Edward64
Head Coach
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by BYU 14 View Post
Then call it wealth restriction if you prefer, but the fact is 50 years of equal rights does still not equate to equal opportunity when others have a 200 year head start.

Don't disagree, there has been substantial progress and it is getting better. I don't know when it will "equate" but its getting there.

Again, my discussion with thesloppy was opportunities re: minorities/lower class and their peers in other countries.
Edward64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 11:32 AM   #365
Edward64
Head Coach
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by ISiddiqui View Post
On a side note, what opinion do you have of sabermetrics in baseball and scouts who say "I know what I see/saw"?

Beats me.

Baseball is boring.
Edward64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 11:46 AM   #366
bob
College Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Stupid question - if you own a gun but do not have a concealed weapon permit, what does that mean exactly? You have to show it to everyone while you walk around?
bob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 11:50 AM   #367
Drake
assmaster
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Bloomington, IN
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob View Post
Stupid question - if you own a gun but do not have a concealed weapon permit, what does that mean exactly? You have to show it to everyone while you walk around?

You can't transport it anywhere, essentially. You can have it at home on your own property.

ETA: Depending on your state, of course. And your weapon system. You don't need a CC for a long gun, just for pistols.

Last edited by Drake : 02-16-2018 at 11:52 AM.
Drake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 12:13 PM   #368
molson
General Manager
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob View Post
Stupid question - if you own a gun but do not have a concealed weapon permit, what does that mean exactly? You have to show it to everyone while you walk around?

In my state, until they got rid of the permit requirement last year, it meant you had to either display in on your person, or leave it at home or at your place of business (and you could conceal a weapon at either place without a permit). And if it was in your car, it either had to be displayed in plain view, or unloaded, or secured in a case.

Last edited by molson : 02-16-2018 at 12:21 PM.
molson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 02:07 PM   #369
RainMaker
General Manager
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Quote:
Originally Posted by molson View Post
It's not intuitive, it's not rational, but the only proven way to decrease gun sales in the U.S. is to remove the threat of gun control legislation. And once a country is really, really full of guns, you'd have to change the 4th Amendment as well as the 2nd to get them all back. If there was actually ever a real effort to seriously restrict guns - I can't even imagine the floodgates that that would open.

It's funny you mention this because Remington just filed bankruptcy and one of their reasons for it was that Trump got elected. Their business model relies on scaring people into thinking their guns will be taken any day now.

It's always been a bit of irony in the gun industry. Manufacturers want to portray Democrats as evil beings who will take their guns away, but they also really want them to win.
RainMaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 02:36 PM   #370
BishopMVP
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Concord, MA/UMass
Quote:
Originally Posted by PilotMan View Post
The problem with attacking it at a local level is what you see in Chicago. People love to point to the gun violence numbers in Chicago, where guns are banned more or less, as a reason why controlling them won't work. But there aren't walls around any of these places.

Indiana and Wisconsin have some of the least restrictive gun laws in the US. Any state that would have lax laws would be a starting point for someone to get them. That almost makes the local ordinance completely useless because it can't control the 'spillover effect.'

True progress has to be attacked at all levels, any weakness is simply exploited for the opposition narrative.
It's not a perfect solution, but ignoring it because it will still have loopholes is a worse answer. Massachusetts has some very strict gun laws and the lowest gun homicide in the country. Is that why? Not entirely, there are definitely cultural factors at play too, but it certainly helps. And yes, of course progress should be pushed for at all levels, but I think the messaging is much easier and the actual effects are easier to put into law at state levels than federally.

Out of state purchasing and transporting across state lines is something the government actually tracks pretty obsessively (as CUTiger can tell you!) Indiana requires shipping back to an FFL in a purchasers home state. I assume Wisconsin does too, but I can't get their site to load right now. Chicago's issue would be that downstate people in Illinois want much less restrictive laws (and also that it's so far gone in that part of the city at this point it's borderline impossible to put the genie back in the bottle.) I also doubt very many of the guns used in Chicago homicides were legally purchased and registered - that's a different issue than a crazy 18 year old potential spree killer being allowed to legally walk into a store and walk out 15 minutes later with an AR-15.
BishopMVP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 02:41 PM   #371
RainMaker
General Manager
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Looks like the FBI received multiple warnings about him and did nothing. Maybe if he had a Muslim sounding name.

F.B.I. Was Warned of Florida Suspect’s Desire to Kill but Did Not Act - The New York Times
RainMaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 04:42 PM   #372
NobodyHere
Grizzled Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Quote:
Originally Posted by RainMaker View Post
Looks like the FBI received multiple warnings about him and did nothing. Maybe if he had a Muslim sounding name.

F.B.I. Was Warned of Florida Suspect’s Desire to Kill but Did Not Act - The New York Times

I've made this point before but I have to wonder how many of these tips the FBI gets every day and how many turn out to be nothingburgers.

ETA: I bet this FBI angle is a boon to Trump supporters that currently hate the organization.
__________________
"I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

Last edited by NobodyHere : 02-16-2018 at 05:12 PM.
NobodyHere is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2018, 05:13 PM   #373
CU Tiger
Grizzled Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Backwoods, SC
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob View Post
Stupid question - if you own a gun but do not have a concealed weapon permit, what does that mean exactly? You have to show it to everyone while you walk around?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drake View Post
You can't transport it anywhere, essentially. You can have it at home on your own property.

ETA: Depending on your state, of course. And your weapon system. You don't need a CC for a long gun, just for pistols.


This varies by state, but it doesnt mean leave it at home anywhere.

Regarding handguns - states with "constitutional carry" laws you can carry it in a side holster in plain site You just cant "conceal" that you are carrying.

In some states for example you have to lay a pistol on the dash, and it can be loaded, if you dont have a CCW which is a great law

For example in SC in my personal vehicle I do not need a CCP as long as my gun requires "3 distinct movements to access" defined as
1. Take hand off steering wheel.
2. Open Center Console/glove box
3. reach into console/glove box and retrieve.
CU Tiger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 06:29 PM   #374
whomario
Pro Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Trump endorses guns for teachers to stop shootings - BBC News

he and everybody else suggesting this can't be serious, right ? (a parent made the suggestion which is why i am putting it here and not the Trump thread). There's two terrible ways this plays out, imo:

1) You get people that grew up with weapons and made it their profession in some way, shape or form (because just doing a few practice sessions will not prepare anybody to act decicively and shoot an attacker) in which case you will have professional mercenaries and/or veterans who take up teaching. Great, sure they are all gonna be super good at teaching.

2) You have teachers try and play at being security personell and at best create aditional panic and at worst open the door for a few scenarios: 1) mistaking a student's actions and shooting them (if it happens with police officers, there is no way it doesn't happen with teachers) or 2) an attacker not even having to get a gun beforehand, but just take it off the teacher instead.

If you wanna do anything along these lines, why not have 1 member of a military service and/or 1 policeman be at each school during active hours. From what i could find there are about 150 thousand schools and colleges in the US, while there are about 1 mio police officers (federal, state or local) and 2 mio active or reserve military personel. Of course, you can get into the economics and it is a crazy idea in itself, but it sure seems more sensible than arming amateurs to me ...

Either you are a teacher or you are law enforcement/security/whatever.
__________________
“The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!”
whomario is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 06:45 PM   #375
RainMaker
General Manager
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Quote:
Originally Posted by whomario View Post
Trump endorses guns for teachers to stop shootings - BBC News

he and everybody else suggesting this can't be serious, right ? (a parent made the suggestion which is why i am putting it here and not the Trump thread). There's two terrible ways this plays out, imo:

1) You get people that grew up with weapons and made it their profession in some way, shape or form (because just doing a few practice sessions will not prepare anybody to act decicively and shoot an attacker) in which case you will have professional mercenaries and/or veterans who take up teaching. Great, sure they are all gonna be super good at teaching.

2) You have teachers try and play at being security personell and at best create aditional panic and at worst open the door for a few scenarios: 1) mistaking a student's actions and shooting them (if it happens with police officers, there is no way it doesn't happen with teachers) or 2) an attacker not even having to get a gun beforehand, but just take it off the teacher instead.

If you wanna do anything along these lines, why not have 1 member of a military service and/or 1 policeman be at each school during active hours. From what i could find there are about 150 thousand schools and colleges in the US, while there are about 1 mio police officers (federal, state or local) and 2 mio active or reserve military personel. Of course, you can get into the economics and it is a crazy idea in itself, but it sure seems more sensible than arming amateurs to me ...

Either you are a teacher or you are law enforcement/security/whatever.

I mentioned earlier that most schools have 1 to 2 armed guards on duty. The school this happened at did. Heck even Columbine did back in the day.

Now Gingrich and others are pushing a plan to have at least 6 armed teachers at every school. There are around 200,000 public schools in the country.

So now you have to train, arm, and secure weapons for at the bare minimum 1.2 million teachers in this country. Mind you that we have states that can't even afford to have school open 5 days a week. But we're going to somehow come up with billions of dollars each year to do this even though it likely won't do much.
RainMaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 06:46 PM   #376
RainMaker
General Manager
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
And some of these shooters are coming in with full tactical gear, vests, and an AR-15. Unless we're planning to do the same for the teachers, they are way outgunned.
RainMaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 06:48 PM   #377
larrymcg421
Head Coach
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Georgia
Definitely against arming teachers, but really happy the GOP has just admitted there is a shit ton of money lying around that can be thrown at schools.
__________________
Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added)

Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner
Fictional Character Draft Winner
Television Family Draft Winner
Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner
larrymcg421 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 06:55 PM   #378
Groundhog
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sydney, Australia
Quote:
Originally Posted by RainMaker View Post
And some of these shooters are coming in with full tactical gear, vests, and an AR-15. Unless we're planning to do the same for the teachers, they are way outgunned.

Outfit all teachers with ballistic shields and have them point a loaded AR-15 at the students for the entire duration of class, seems obvious to me.
__________________
Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
--Ambrose Bierce
Groundhog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 06:58 PM   #379
RainMaker
General Manager
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Also I'm sure that none of these teachers will ever leave the gun unattended.
RainMaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 07:08 PM   #380
miami_fan
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Land O Lakes FL
Will the teachers be required to bring their own guns and ammo like they do for the rest of their supplies or will there be an armory in the school that stores the government weapons and ammo?
__________________
"The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946
miami_fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 07:11 PM   #381
molson
General Manager
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
My retired kindergarten teacher mother would have dropped the gun 4 times on the first day, probably committing her own accidental mass shooting.
molson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 07:12 PM   #382
cuervo72
Head Coach
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Maryland
Procured via government contracts with Trump companies of choice!
__________________
null
cuervo72 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 07:13 PM   #383
RainMaker
General Manager
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
We have like a 300 page thread of hot teachers banging their students. Let's arm them to the teeth.
RainMaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 07:17 PM   #384
larrymcg421
Head Coach
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Georgia
Who's going to be willing to tell a teacher they're fired?
__________________
Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added)

Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner
Fictional Character Draft Winner
Television Family Draft Winner
Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner
larrymcg421 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 07:20 PM   #385
Galaril
Pro Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Quote:
Originally Posted by NobodyHere View Post
I've made this point before but I have to wonder how many of these tips the FBI gets every day and how many turn out to be nothingburgers.

ETA: I bet this FBI angle is a boon to Trump supporters that currently hate the organization.

Just had a scare this morning after getting to work I here from one of my team that they heard my daughters high school had an online threat from they believe a student on social media about shooting the school up. I picked her up and she talked about she was looking around to see what where she go go for cover if at any moment some one walks in with a gun. It really freaked me out and really brought it home. The authorities are taking it as a serious threat but have not found the person who made He threat so now I have to work about if o e day soon I drop off my daughter and never see her alive again. Parents should never have to worry about that in a.country as great as we espouse it to be.
9news.com | Online threat made against Grandview High School
Galaril is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 07:24 PM   #386
NobodyHere
Grizzled Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Yeah we just had a guy in my area arrested for threatening to shoot up a school. He claimed he was only joking.
__________________
"I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"

Last edited by NobodyHere : 02-21-2018 at 07:24 PM.
NobodyHere is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 07:44 PM   #387
tarcone
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Pacific
A few weeks ago a few students called the trench coat mafia at my daughters school, stood up during lunch pointed their fingers and said they were going to kill.

Yeah, they wore trench coats to school.
__________________
Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee
Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor

The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa

FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15
tarcone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 07:47 PM   #388
Galaril
Pro Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
My wife is a 5th grade teacher so she comes home often with tales of the lockdown drills . Also, all the talking of arming teachers is crazy.

Last edited by Galaril : 02-21-2018 at 08:11 PM.
Galaril is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 07:48 PM   #389
RainMaker
General Manager
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
It's kind of weird but none of us really had that fear growing up. School shootings were really rare when we were younger and now they're just more common and deadly.

I don't know what that means but it has to be weird to be a generation growing up wondering if someone is going to choose their school to be the one to massacre people at.
RainMaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 07:56 PM   #390
tarcone
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Pacific
When I lived in a small town in the late 90s, kids regularly came to school after hunting in the morning. They had their rifles in their cars.
Not a big deal. No one worried about anything. Kids respected their weapons and what they were used for.
__________________
Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee
Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor

The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa

FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15
tarcone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 08:10 PM   #391
whomario
Pro Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by RainMaker View Post
It's kind of weird but none of us really had that fear growing up. School shootings were really rare when we were younger and now they're just more common and deadly.

I don't know what that means but it has to be weird to be a generation growing up wondering if someone is going to choose their school to be the one to massacre people at.

I read an article the other day where it calculated that about 150.000 kids have now directly experienced a school shooting since Columbine (being in the targeted school at that time), which isn't counting parents, teachers and other staff.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...-shooting.html

You can only hope that those direct experiences and the interactions with others by those kids (now many of them being adults) at least start to outweigh the insane power of "feeling" and imagination. John Oliver had a terrific takedown about one blabbering idiot coming on CNN and starting to talk about how the bad "rap industry and movie industry" are now an issue whereas when they were young they went to school with guns in their car and Sheriff Andy (Andy Griffiths Show, which, yes, as a Media Science student i have watched ) wearing a gun and still no school shooting (despite that), when in fact he not only rarely wore a gun on that show but actually explained why he didn't.

John Oliver - Parkland School Shooting - YouTube

(only a 3 minute clip, so even those not big fans of Oliver ought to be able to make it through to the punchline )
__________________
“The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!”

Last edited by whomario : 02-21-2018 at 08:14 PM.
whomario is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 08:12 PM   #392
Galaril
Pro Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Quote:
Originally Posted by tarcone View Post
When I lived in a small town in the late 90s, kids regularly came to school after hunting in the morning. They had their rifles in their cars.
Not a big deal. No one worried about anything. Kids respected their weapons and what they were used for.

I also assume none if them were bringing AR-15 or similar type weapons to school.

Last edited by Galaril : 02-21-2018 at 08:29 PM.
Galaril is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 08:37 PM   #393
RainMaker
General Manager
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Quote:
Originally Posted by tarcone View Post
When I lived in a small town in the late 90s, kids regularly came to school after hunting in the morning. They had their rifles in their cars.
Not a big deal. No one worried about anything. Kids respected their weapons and what they were used for.

The second deadliest school shooting of the 90's also took place at Iowa's biggest university.
RainMaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 08:39 PM   #394
Thomkal
Head Coach
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA
Looks like another shooting was foiled in the LA area:

California school shooting plot foiled, assault rifles found
__________________
Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion!
10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!
Thomkal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 08:59 PM   #395
NobodyHere
Grizzled Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Quote:
Originally Posted by RainMaker View Post
It's kind of weird but none of us really had that fear growing up. School shootings were really rare when we were younger and now they're just more common and deadly.

I don't know what that means but it has to be weird to be a generation growing up wondering if someone is going to choose their school to be the one to massacre people at.

Yet society overall is less violent than we were in the 80s. Go figure.
__________________
"I am God's prophet, and I need an attorney"
NobodyHere is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 09:32 PM   #396
Groundhog
Coordinator
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sydney, Australia
IMO gun violence in the US has been normalized to the point where a large % of people (including some of the shooters) are almost detached from it. Watching the Louis Theroux episode on gun violence in Milwaukee that seemed pretty clear to me - strangers just firing at other strangers standing on the street for no reason at all, like it's the equivalent of smacking someone with a trout in an IRC chat client.
__________________
Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.
--Ambrose Bierce
Groundhog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 09:47 PM   #397
molson
General Manager
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
Quote:
Originally Posted by Groundhog View Post
IMO gun violence in the US has been normalized to the point where a large % of people (including some of the shooters) are almost detached from it. Watching the Louis Theroux episode on gun violence in Milwaukee that seemed pretty clear to me - strangers just firing at other strangers standing on the street for no reason at all, like it's the equivalent of smacking someone with a trout in an IRC chat client.

If we're talking gun violence as a whole, and not specifically mass school shootings, the U.S. murder rate is at a 50-year low. The national murder rate was more than double what it is now in the late 70s and early 80s. And in many big cities like Boston and New York crime has decreased much more than that.
molson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 10:10 PM   #398
Galaril
Pro Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Quote:
Originally Posted by molson View Post
If we're talking gun violence as a whole, and not specifically mass school shootings, the U.S. murder rate is at a 50-year low. The national murder rate was more than double what it is now in the late 70s and early 80s. And in many big cities like Boston and New York crime has decreased much more than that.

But how is our murder rate compared to other western countries? Low for us is I assume high for most others?
Galaril is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2018, 10:37 PM   #399
molson
General Manager
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
Quote:
Originally Posted by Galaril View Post
But how is our murder rate compared to other western countries? Low for us is I assume high for most others?

Oh ya, it's much higher that most western countries. I'm just saying it's a misconception that gun violence, and violence is general, is rising in the U.S. There's studies show a majority of Americans overestimate how much crime and violence there is, and believe falsely that violent crime has increased in the last few decades.

The random mass shootings are a relatively new phenomenon, on this scale at least. And it makes sense that regular Americans would react more to that kind of thing than gang violence or domestic violence.

And that reality probably makes it harder for any kind of compromised gun legislation because there's no justification to do what the Dems agreed to do in the 90s to get the assault weapon ban (hire more police officers, increase penalties for drug offenders, limit federal review of state criminal convictions, etc.) A new "tough on crime" approach makes no sense when crime has fallen. So what chips can be offered?

Edit: It's kind of ironic though, that the assault weapon ban was justified by, and got through because of, the rising crime rates of the 80s and 90s even though those weapons weren't typically used in urban or domestic crimes. NOW we have an newer issue and type of violence that certainly does specifically relate to those types of weapons, but they're not banned.

Last edited by molson : 02-21-2018 at 11:09 PM.
molson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2018, 01:45 PM   #400
RainMaker
General Manager
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
404 Not Found
RainMaker is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 4 (0 members and 4 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:28 PM.



Powered by vBulletin Version 3.6.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.