Roman Polanski

MrBug708 · 03-23-2003, 11:54 PM

Child Molestor, Director, Oscar winner

Only in Hollywood?

cthomer5000 · 03-24-2003, 12:05 AM

Marion Barry. Mayor, Crack Addict, Mayor.

mrskippy · 03-24-2003, 12:06 AM

The crime happened in ... the 70s. Everyone else gets their hand slapped for heinous crimes, why not Mr. Polanski?

MrBug708 · 03-24-2003, 12:15 AM

I guess a molesting a child can be forgiven provided it happened 30 years ago?

Absolutely not!

But I have personal reasons for feeling this way

cthomer5000 · 03-24-2003, 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by MrBug708
I guess a molesting a child can be forgiven provided it happened 30 years ago?

Absolutely not!

But I have personal reasons for feeling this way

So fundamentally speaking you don't think anyone should/can ever be forgiven for some crimes?

Do you believe rehabilitation is possible? Or do you think people will always be what they are?

just wondering.

STK · 03-24-2003, 12:21 AM

not child molestation

Tarkus · 03-24-2003, 12:22 AM

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Originally posted by cthomer5000
So fundamentally speaking you don't think anyone should/can ever be forgiven for some crimes?

Do you believe rehabilitation is possible? Or do you think people will always be what they are?

just wondering.

Um, the problem is the guy's never paid for his crime. He left the country and can't ever come back. Hopefully none of your children (if you ever have them) are subjected to child molestation. I'm sure you'd just want to see him rehabilitated. Maybe they could do therapy together?

Tarkus

clintl · 03-24-2003, 12:51 AM

FWIW, I read an article a couple of weeks ago in which the woman he molested when she was 13 said that Oscar voters should not hold that against him.

mrskippy · 03-24-2003, 01:05 AM

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Originally posted by STK
not child molestation

What about murderers? OJ Simpson?

MrBug708 · 03-24-2003, 01:24 AM

Well, OJ was found not guilty. That would be one nice lawsuit on his behalf

Murder, Child Molestation, and Rape are crimes that the person might truly be sorry for, but should have everlasting consequences because something so great has been broken. I'm assuming the average person hasnt been directly affected by any of those?

As Michael Moore said, thats the way I feel, thats the beauty of Free Speech.

Now, I'll go hide behind the first amendment

Qwikshot · 03-24-2003, 01:49 AM

Actually the woman who was the victim wants it to end because it's always an issue whenever any issue pertaining to Roman Polanski comes up, so she has to relive it constantly because it's never been resolved...so I feel for her, she wants it to end so that she can fade into obscurity.

mrskippy · 03-24-2003, 01:53 AM

What Polanski just charged or was he actually convicted by a jury?

MrBug708 · 03-24-2003, 02:02 AM

Skipping out on a country to avoid charges is rather damning evidence. Especialy since he's banned from coming back

Editting for relevancy

stkelly52 · 03-24-2003, 02:07 AM

But should the character of the director come in to play in voting for this catagory? Shouldn't the award be for who ever did the best job of directing, reguardless of his past crimes.

MrBug708 · 03-24-2003, 02:10 AM

Sure, why not?

Life isn't fair. Just ask his victim

mrskippy · 03-24-2003, 02:24 AM

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Originally posted by MrBug708
Skipping out on a country to avoid charges is rather damning evidence. Especialy since he's banned from coming back

Editting for relevancy

Well, he's not banned. He'll just be arrested.

MrBug708 · 03-24-2003, 02:25 AM

Pretty darn close

mrskippy · 03-24-2003, 02:29 AM

Than he can post bail and get his award. And than go to trial and be acquitted.

MrBug708 · 03-24-2003, 02:40 AM

Heh.....I'm sure he probably would have long ago. Its not like he'd have worse press

QuikSand · 03-24-2003, 08:58 AM

If Polanski did indeed do the best job directing a film last year (I have no opinion on that premise), should academy voters still support someone else because of his misdeeds?

User #2735 · 03-24-2003, 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by QuikSand
If Polanski did indeed do the best job directing a film last year (I have no opinion on that premise), should academy voters still support someone else because of his misdeeds?

No. The award is for best directing job...not best directing job that was performed by a non-child molester.

Doesn't change the fact that I think he should be locked up for life, though.

Easy Mac · 03-24-2003, 09:20 AM

Leonard Little killed someone and got to play in the Super Bowl. Where was the outcry for that?

Marmel · 03-24-2003, 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by Easy Mac
Leonard Little killed someone and got to play in the Super Bowl. Where was the outcry for that?

I outcried.

Nobody listened.

Fritz · 03-24-2003, 11:54 AM

How does Polanski differ from Woody Allen IRT sex with minor?

Hammer755 · 03-24-2003, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by Easy Mac
Leonard Little killed someone and got to play in the Super Bowl. Where was the outcry for that?

Little stood before a court of law and took his punishment. Was his sentence a little light? No, it was a lot light, but that's irrelevant to this point. But at least he didn't skip the country to avoid prosecution.

User #2735 · 03-24-2003, 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by Fritz
How does Polanski differ from Woody Allen IRT sex with minor?

Because unlike Soon-Yi, Polanski's encounter was/is claimed to be non-consensual by the girl.

Fritz · 03-24-2003, 12:38 PM

I did not know Soon-Yi could give her consent as a minor.

Hammer755 · 03-24-2003, 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by Fritz
How does Polanski differ from Woody Allen IRT sex with minor?

I had to look it up, but Soon Yi Previn was 21 when their relationship began, while Polanski was involved with a 13 year old.

sachmo71 · 03-24-2003, 12:43 PM

FWIW, I read an article on Yahoo news that quoted him as being rather unrepentant about the whole thing. At least he was at the time the quote was taken, which was probably quite a few years ago since he refuses to talk about it. Still, I was a bit shocked that almost to a man the entire theatre applauded him. It seemed to me that some people would hold his crimes against him, but maybe they are more mature in hollywood than I, or it is much easier for them to seperate the art from the artist.

Fritz · 03-24-2003, 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by Hammer755
I had to look it up, but Soon Yi Previn was 21 when their relationship began, while Polanski was involved with a 13 year old.

Mia Farrow claimed it started when she was a minor. I admit that is about all I know

Hammer755 · 03-24-2003, 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by Fritz
Mia Farrow claimed it started when she was a minor. I admit that is about all I know

My source was Biography.com, I certainly don't know it for a fact. Even so, even if she was 18 or 19, that is a far cry from 13. Maybe not legally speaking, but realistically it is. I'm not sure if you're looking specifically at the legal aspect, however.

Tarkus · 03-24-2003, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by sachmo71
FWIW, I read an article on Yahoo news that quoted him as being rather unrepentant about the whole thing. At least he was at the time the quote was taken, which was probably quite a few years ago since he refuses to talk about it. Still, I was a bit shocked that almost to a man the entire theatre applauded him. It seemed to me that some people would hold his crimes against him, but maybe they are more mature in hollywood than I, or it is much easier for them to seperate the art from the artist.

Yeah, the extent of the reception amazed me too. Guess it's okay to be a child molester, but anti-war sentiments are taboo. Go figure Hollywood.

Tarkus

Samdari · 03-24-2003, 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by Hammer755
My source was Biography.com, I certainly don't know it for a fact. Even so, even if she was 18 or 19, that is a far cry from 13. Maybe not legally speaking, but realistically it is. I'm not sure if you're looking specifically at the legal aspect, however.

The age of consent in NY is 18 (at least it was when I was in high school - don't ask me how I know).

Fritz · 03-24-2003, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by Samdari
The age of consent in NY is 18

How do you know?

JeeberD · 03-24-2003, 01:50 PM

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Originally posted by Fritz
How do you know?

www.ageofconsent.com

Looks like NY's age of consent is actually 17...

Samdari · 03-24-2003, 01:50 PM

Sigh, the reason I asked the class not to ask, is because the answer is not nearly as salacious as I would like. As an upperclassman, I had a thing for freshman girls. There was some debate among myself and my friends as to the age of consent. I researched the matter. For the record, none of the freshman girls actually ever consented. Rumor has it, none of them even considered it.

Now, my secret is out. In high school, I was neither cocky, nor funny.

JeeberD · 03-24-2003, 01:55 PM

Doh, Fritz was trying to be funny. Oh well, that site has some interesting information anyways...

Fritz · 03-24-2003, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by Samdari
Now, my secret is out. In high school, I was neither cocky, nor funny.

dull dull dull dull dull

please lie to us in the future

Fritz · 03-24-2003, 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by JeeberD
Doh, Fritz was trying to be funny. Oh well, that site has some interesting information anyways...

I discoved that site a few weeks ago while looking for some information.

Age of Consent in SC is 14. If Polanski could have held out for a year he might have had a magic trip in Hilton Head.

Samdari · 03-24-2003, 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by Fritz
I discoved that site a few weeks ago while looking for some information.

MY TURN!

Why were you looking for such information Fritz?

Fritz · 03-24-2003, 03:10 PM

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Originally posted by Samdari
Why were you looking for such information Fritz?

In one of the discussions here someone was using the law in one state to support a position that something was universally moral or desirable. I went looking for lowest age of consent (thinking it was WV) and found that site.

I can't rember what the topic was, but I know I posted on the 5th about it.

Young Drachma · 09-29-2009, 09:57 PM

Roman Polanski was arrested in Switzerland the other day.

Roman Polanksi Extradition Raises Questions About Arrest - ABC News

There's a debate as to whether or not he should have been. Which seems strange to me.

Glengoyne · 09-30-2009, 03:28 AM

I've actually been waiting to see if he'd screw up. This news story made me smile.

Subby · 09-30-2009, 09:59 AM

Has anyone had a more bizarre life than Polanski? I think you'll see an oscar-nominated film about it within five years of his passing.

Young Drachma · 09-30-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Subby

Has anyone had a more bizarre life than Polanski? I think you'll see an oscar-nominated film about it within five years of his passing.

True. It's Forrest Gump-like in its bizarreness.

Ben E Lou · 09-30-2009, 05:40 PM

Thread moved from archives per user request.

molson · 09-30-2009, 05:52 PM

I think you could argue its a waste of resources if he hadn't been concvited yet - it might be a tough case to try at this point with all those years and an unwilling victim. But he's already been convicted. He just needs to come back and do his time.

It's an interesting question though, whether he should be sentenced by 1970s standards (when this kind of stuff had MUCH lighter penalties) or by today's more harsh standards. I'm not talking about actual statutory guidelines - obviously, he has to receive a sentence that would have been legal at the time of his crime. But should a judge, or even can a judge, otherwise take into account the changing of our cultural landscape and public sentencing expectations for crimes like this.

Also, we need better international extradition treaties. Especially with Mexico. It's way too easy to commit a crime here and then flee there to avoid prosecution.

Izulde · 09-30-2009, 05:56 PM

FWIR, he originally pled guilty via plea bargain and the judge in the case decided to rescind the plea bargain, which led Polanski to leaving the country.

Izulde · 09-30-2009, 05:58 PM

Also, age of consent laws, particularly in those states with lower ages, usually have some sort of qualifiers attached to them.

molson · 09-30-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

FWIR, he originally pled guilty via plea bargain and the judge in the case decided to rescind the plea bargain, which led Polanski to leaving the country.

True, but the plea was made, and its still out there, still binding. He just needs to be sentenced. He fled because it appeared that he wasn't going to just get probation, as all parties had agreed to recomend to the judge.

03-24-2003, 01:49 AM	#11
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	Actually the woman who was the victim wants it to end because it's always an issue whenever any issue pertaining to Roman Polanski comes up, so she has to relive it constantly because it's never been resolved...so I feel for her, she wants it to end so that she can fade into obscurity. __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

03-24-2003, 02:02 AM	#13
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Skipping out on a country to avoid charges is rather damning evidence. Especialy since he's banned from coming back Editting for relevancy Last edited by MrBug708 : 03-24-2003 at 02:09 AM.

03-24-2003, 02:07 AM	#14
stkelly52 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Seattle WA	But should the character of the director come in to play in voting for this catagory? Shouldn't the award be for who ever did the best job of directing, reguardless of his past crimes. __________________ Check out an undrafted free agent's attempt to make the Hall of Fame: Running to the Hall Now nominated for a Golden Scribe!

03-24-2003, 11:54 AM	#24
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	How does Polanski differ from Woody Allen IRT sex with minor? __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster

03-24-2003, 01:50 PM	#36
Samdari Roster Filler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cicero	Sigh, the reason I asked the class not to ask, is because the answer is not nearly as salacious as I would like. As an upperclassman, I had a thing for freshman girls. There was some debate among myself and my friends as to the age of consent. I researched the matter. For the record, none of the freshman girls actually ever consented. Rumor has it, none of them even considered it. Now, my secret is out. In high school, I was neither cocky, nor funny. __________________ http://www.nateandellie.net Now featuring twice the babies for the same low price!

03-24-2003, 12:06 AM	#3
mrskippy Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: California	The crime happened in ... the 70s. Everyone else gets their hand slapped for heinous crimes, why not Mr. Polanski?

03-24-2003, 12:15 AM	#4
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I guess a molesting a child can be forgiven provided it happened 30 years ago? Absolutely not! But I have personal reasons for feeling this way

03-24-2003, 12:21 AM	#6
STK H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tucson, AZ	not child molestation

03-24-2003, 12:51 AM	#8
clintl College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Davis, CA	FWIW, I read an article a couple of weeks ago in which the woman he molested when she was 13 said that Oscar voters should not hold that against him.

03-24-2003, 01:24 AM	#10
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Well, OJ was found not guilty. That would be one nice lawsuit on his behalf Murder, Child Molestation, and Rape are crimes that the person might truly be sorry for, but should have everlasting consequences because something so great has been broken. I'm assuming the average person hasnt been directly affected by any of those? As Michael Moore said, thats the way I feel, thats the beauty of Free Speech. Now, I'll go hide behind the first amendment

03-24-2003, 01:53 AM	#12
mrskippy Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: California	What Polanski just charged or was he actually convicted by a jury?

03-24-2003, 02:10 AM	#15
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Sure, why not? Life isn't fair. Just ask his victim

03-24-2003, 02:25 AM	#17
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Pretty darn close

03-24-2003, 02:29 AM	#18
mrskippy Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: California	Than he can post bail and get his award. And than go to trial and be acquitted.

03-24-2003, 02:40 AM	#19
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Heh.....I'm sure he probably would have long ago. Its not like he'd have worse press

03-24-2003, 08:58 AM	#20
QuikSand lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Annapolis, Md	If Polanski did indeed do the best job directing a film last year (I have no opinion on that premise), should academy voters still support someone else because of his misdeeds?

03-24-2003, 09:20 AM	#22
Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	Leonard Little killed someone and got to play in the Super Bowl. Where was the outcry for that?

03-24-2003, 12:38 PM	#27
Fritz Lethargic Hooligan Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: hello kitty found my wallet at a big tent revival and returned it with all the cash missing	I did not know Soon-Yi could give her consent as a minor. __________________ donkey, donkey, walk a little faster Last edited by Fritz : 03-24-2003 at 12:38 PM.

03-24-2003, 12:43 PM	#29
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	FWIW, I read an article on Yahoo news that quoted him as being rather unrepentant about the whole thing. At least he was at the time the quote was taken, which was probably quite a few years ago since he refuses to talk about it. Still, I was a bit shocked that almost to a man the entire theatre applauded him. It seemed to me that some people would hold his crimes against him, but maybe they are more mature in hollywood than I, or it is much easier for them to seperate the art from the artist.

03-24-2003, 01:55 PM	#37
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09-29-2009, 09:57 PM	#42
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Roman Polanski was arrested in Switzerland the other day. Roman Polanksi Extradition Raises Questions About Arrest - ABC News There's a debate as to whether or not he should have been. Which seems strange to me.

09-30-2009, 03:28 AM	#43
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	I've actually been waiting to see if he'd screw up. This news story made me smile.

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09-30-2009, 05:52 PM	#47
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I think you could argue its a waste of resources if he hadn't been concvited yet - it might be a tough case to try at this point with all those years and an unwilling victim. But he's already been convicted. He just needs to come back and do his time. It's an interesting question though, whether he should be sentenced by 1970s standards (when this kind of stuff had MUCH lighter penalties) or by today's more harsh standards. I'm not talking about actual statutory guidelines - obviously, he has to receive a sentence that would have been legal at the time of his crime. But should a judge, or even can a judge, otherwise take into account the changing of our cultural landscape and public sentencing expectations for crimes like this. Also, we need better international extradition treaties. Especially with Mexico. It's way too easy to commit a crime here and then flee there to avoid prosecution. Last edited by molson : 09-30-2009 at 05:54 PM.

09-30-2009, 05:56 PM	#48
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09-30-2009, 05:58 PM	#49
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