Daytime Dynasty Series #2: FROM SIXTH TO FIRST

Young Drachma · 06-21-2014, 11:44 AM

Okay so changing it up.

Going to take over a team that's not doing so well, but that isn't an expansion team. The challenge is, to scour the league for non-starters -- quality 6th men who should be starters -- we will trade the roster of the team we take over to acquire those guys piece by piece. Then we'll give them all four years like LeBron & company had to play together and we'll see how they do.

Curious to see how a team like that competes night in and night out and whether there's a chance they can even compete for a championship.

Young Drachma · 06-21-2014, 09:13 PM

Using the same base file from Episode 1, taking over the Seattle Supersonics, who after a string of successful years which culminated with a title in 1987 and back three straight Finals appearances from 1988-1990, on en route to their 3rd straight non-playoff season finishing the 1998 season at 16-66.

Clyde Drexler, their star has been here his whole career but he's 37 and on the downslope of his career.

The house rules:
-Everyone on the roster gets dealt for someone else. No one can come back, even if it's a guy whose been there forever or a dude with talent who might be able to help them. Oh well.
- Can only acquire players who were not starters on their previous teams. Changed my mind on foreign guys, so long as they've never played in the NBA as a starter.

Goals:
- See how far the team can get in a season. Possibly more, if it's interesting at all.

Young Drachma · 06-21-2014, 10:14 PM

So here's the roster of guys we need to deal. Right now, just putting together a team for one year and we'll see what happens after that.

Code:

Seattle SuperSonics Career Averages

 Player                Pos    Gm    Gs   Min   Pts  Orb  Reb  Ast  Stl  Blk   To  Fls   +/-test  test  test  test  test  
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Clyde Drexler          SF  1228  1228  34.9  21.8  2.4  6.3  6.2  3.2  0.5  3.3  3.2   3.8                              
 Allen Iverson          PG   246   244  35.7  17.0  0.9  3.1  4.7  2.2  0.1  4.1  2.1  -5.8                              
 Charles Smith          PF   875   874  31.5  16.6  1.7  5.2  1.9  0.8  0.8  2.4  3.7   2.4                              
 Rex Chapman            SG   828   368  27.1  12.8  0.7  2.6  2.7  1.1  0.1  2.3  2.0  -2.8                              
 Zydrunas Ilgauskas      C   164   164  32.0  12.1  2.2  6.8  1.6  0.5  1.1  2.0  3.6  -6.2                              
 Gary Grant             SG   827   661  32.7   9.4  0.9  3.3  6.7  2.7  0.1  2.5  2.5  -1.9                              
 Damon Stoudamire       PG   328   175  24.8   8.6  0.6  2.1  4.5  0.7  0.0  2.0  1.4  -2.1                              
 Dennis Hopson          SF   689    88  16.9   6.1  0.9  2.3  1.4  1.2  0.2  1.4  2.1  -1.8                              
 Ricky Davis            SG     0     0   0.0   0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0   0.0                              
 Felipe Lopez           SG     0     0   0.0   0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0   0.0

Young Drachma · 06-22-2014, 02:05 AM

Okay so, this sixth man trading thing is basically akin to an expansion draft in a sense. But that's all good.

So here are the 1 for 1 acquisitions we'll be making. I'll do a season/team preview before the start of the year once we have it all together.

Tuomas Nenonen, SF (76ers, 5.8 MPG 2.7 PPG last yr)
Ervin Johnson, C (Bullets, 15.3 MPG, 3.6 PPG, 3.9 RPG)
Eddy Hull, PG (Celtics, 2.6 MPG, 1.4 PPG)
Ezra Kay, PF (Condors, 20.3 MPG, 10.5 PPG)
Dominik Skala, C (Nuggets, 19.9 MPG, 15 starts, 4.6 RPG)
Didier Chizuoke, SG, (Suns, 6.3 MPG, 2.0 PPG)

Rather than go out and get a roster of sixth men, I just opted to take six, with the idea being that you basically just take a roster of six guys and meld them with your existing roster (Whoever is left) and see how it goes from there, presuming you're actually starting these dudes, so that your roster of six men aren't like 12th men.

Funny sidenote, Michael Jordan is good in this league but not amazing. He's been with the Pacers his whole career and I orchestrated a deal to send him to New York with the Knicks.

The last guy we got is Tharon Mayes, who in this game for whatever reason seems to have elite level talent but has never been a starter anywhere, which makes him eligible to be signed. In real life, he played in 24 NBA games before going overseas.

Anyway...

Young Drachma · 06-22-2014, 02:32 AM

I drafted SG Vlasi Khavanov, who was Russian league MVP at age 21 last year, figuring he'd help. The reality is, the experiment didn't work so well.

The Sonics went 11-71, even worse than they were the year before and will miss the post-season for the 4th straight year. Cohension was good, but talent was bad. I think part of the problem was the lack of veteran leadership, the oldest guy we had was 32 year old Ervin Johnson. I'm playing stats only, so when all you have to go on is colors & stats, it leads to some unpredictability and well...that's what happened here.

The statistical post-mortem is to come. I am somewhat interested in seeing if you paired this club with different guys whether they'd be any better or not. But a league with only 27 teams means that at least one more superstar -- paired with a salary cap that's only around $57 million means that more teams have more talent and it takes a lot more elite players to cobble together a title team.

So in my random sample of one season, no, you can't take sixth men and think you're gonna put together a playoff team because it's not happening. Not enough parity to make that possible without some seasoned vets joining forces with them, maybe.

If I bent the rules and enabled former starters who are over the hill, say a guy like Charles Barkley who is in Phoenix but not starting, to a team like this it might help. But probably not enough to make a huge difference.

Young Drachma · 06-22-2014, 02:33 AM

POST-MORTEM

Code:

Seattle SuperSonics Averages

 Player              Pos  Gm  Gs   Min   Pts  Orb  Reb  Ast  Stl  Blk   To  Fls    +/-test  test  test  test  test  
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Secondo Genovesi     PG  82  82  34.4  14.6  1.2  4.1  3.0  1.2  0.2  3.5  2.8  -12.4                              
 Vlasi Khavanov       SF  77  39  28.6  11.6  1.4  5.9  2.9  1.1  0.1  1.6  3.3   -9.8                              
 Casey Abernathy      PF  82  32  28.2  16.1  1.2  3.8  1.5  1.8  0.2  2.1  3.5   -7.6                              
 Dominik Skala         C  82  50  23.5   8.7  1.4  4.8  1.0  0.3  0.1  1.8  2.6   -9.2                              
 Tharon Mayes         PG  82  37  21.6   8.0  0.5  1.7  2.3  2.1  0.1  1.6  3.0   -7.1                              
 Tuomas Nenonen       PF  82  50  21.5   7.2  1.2  3.1  2.0  0.6  0.1  1.1  3.1   -8.7                              
 Ervin Johnson         C  82  32  21.3   4.6  1.8  5.4  1.0  0.5  1.0  1.2  3.0   -4.9                              
 Eddy Hull            SG  82  38  20.6  11.7  0.6  2.9  1.6  0.5  0.1  1.8  1.6   -6.8                              
 Trent Thibodeau      SG  81   0  17.3  10.5  0.4  1.5  1.7  1.0  0.0  1.8  1.1   -3.9                              
 Didier Chizuoke      SF  70  50  17.0   5.1  0.4  2.6  0.9  0.6  0.0  0.9  1.0   -6.0                              
 Ezra Kay             SF  80   0   9.3   4.1  0.3  1.5  0.8  0.6  0.1  0.7  0.9   -1.8                              
 Felipe Lopez         SF  30   0   2.1   0.6  0.2  0.2  0.2  0.0  0.0  0.1  0.1    0.2                              
 Trym Håpnes           C  40   0   1.9   0.0  0.0  0.1  0.1  0.1  0.0  0.2  0.2    0.6

Code:

1999 NBA Standings

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 ATLANTIC              W   L   PCT  HOME   DIV  CONF
----------------------------------------------------
 Celtics              66  16  .805  33-8  24-6 45-11
 Whalers              57  25  .695  38-3 19-11 37-19
 Heat                 51  31  .622  33-8 16-14 33-23
 76ers                51  31  .622 31-10 16-14 34-22
 Nets                 38  44  .463 29-12 12-18 23-33
 Bullets              30  52  .366 19-22 11-19 21-35
 Knicks               23  59  .280 14-27  7-23 16-40

----------------------------------------------------
 CENTRAL               W   L   PCT  HOME   DIV  CONF
----------------------------------------------------
 Pistons              58  24  .707  33-8 19-11 39-17
 Hawks                55  27  .671  33-8  24-6 38-18
 Condors              46  36  .561 28-13 19-11 29-27
 Cavaliers            42  40  .512 24-17 19-11 30-26
 Pacers               39  43  .476 24-17 13-17 24-32
 Bulls                22  60  .268 16-25  6-24 12-44
 Hornets              16  66  .195 10-31  5-25 11-45

----------------------------------------------------
 MIDWEST               W   L   PCT  HOME   DIV  CONF
----------------------------------------------------
 Rockets              57  25  .695 30-11  18-6 37-17
 Raptors              56  26  .683 31-10  16-7 35-19
 Jazz                 50  32  .610 31-10  14-7 36-18
 Lakers               35  47  .427 20-21  8-15 21-33
 Mavericks            31  51  .378 20-21  7-15 22-32
 Spurs                27  55  .329 15-26  5-18 21-33

----------------------------------------------------
 PACIFIC               W   L   PCT  HOME   DIV  CONF
----------------------------------------------------
 Warriors             57  25  .695 31-10  21-5 44-10
 Nuggets              51  31  .622 27-14  18-8 34-20
 Suns                 44  38  .537 27-14  19-9 31-23
 Stars                36  46  .439 25-16 14-13 25-29
 Amigos               30  52  .366 17-24 10-18 19-35
 Trail Blazers        28  54  .341 17-24  9-18 19-35
 SuperSonics          11  71  .134 10-31  4-24  7-47

Young Drachma · 06-22-2014, 02:48 AM

Advanced metrics

Code:

Seattle SuperSonics Efficiency

 Player              Pos   TS%  AstR   ToR   Usg  ORR   DRR    RR   PER     VA   EWA  O Eff  D Efftest  test  test  test  test  
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Trent Thibodeau      SG  .588  14.0  14.1  25.8  2.8   8.3   5.5  17.8  152.8   5.1  100.6  111.7                              
 Casey Abernathy      PF  .576   8.4  11.7  23.3  5.1  11.2   8.0  17.1  192.7   6.4   99.9  112.9                              
 Eddy Hull            SG  .591  12.1  13.6  23.6  3.7  13.8   8.6  15.6  128.8   4.3   99.9  115.3                              
 Ezra Kay             SF  .556  16.0  13.4  19.9  3.8  16.1   9.6  14.9   49.0   1.6   98.6  109.7                              
 Vlasi Khavanov       SF  .471  17.1   9.7  20.7  5.6  19.0  12.0  12.0   48.8   1.6   98.5  115.2                              
 Tharon Mayes         PG  .494  19.1  13.3  19.2  2.6   7.1   4.7  11.5   12.6   0.4   99.5  114.5                              
 Secondo Genovesi     PG  .553  15.4  17.7  20.3  3.9  10.4   7.1  11.4   18.3   0.6   99.5  116.5                              
 Felipe Lopez         SF  .500  21.4   7.1  15.1  9.6   5.0   7.6  11.0    0.5   0.0  104.3  101.8                              
 Tuomas Nenonen       PF  .522  20.3  10.8  16.0  6.4  10.9   8.5  10.9  -17.0  -0.6   99.9  119.0                              
 Didier Chizuoke      SF  .538  14.4  13.3  13.8  2.5  16.6   9.5   9.7  -14.6  -0.5   98.6  114.4                              
 Ervin Johnson         C  .490  14.7  16.8  11.6  9.2  20.8  14.7   9.6  -26.5  -0.9   99.9  110.3                              
 Dominik Skala         C  .519   9.3  16.1  17.8  7.1  17.8  12.3   9.4  -34.9  -1.2   99.0  117.6                              
 Trym Håpnes           C  .000  38.5  46.2   5.0  2.0   3.9   3.0  -1.6  -13.6  -0.5  115.4   96.2

Code:

1999 NBA Player Stats Leaders

    # Player             Pos  Team  Gms   Min   OEff   DEff   PER
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    1 Eero Ahonen         SG   SJO   76  34.8  123.8  102.4  46.4
    2 Jan Hørby           SF   STL   82  35.5  120.3  106.3  40.7
    3 J.Blanchard         PG   MIA   82  36.8  116.6  107.9  37.6
    4 Harvey Crabb        PG   HOU   82  36.4  115.3  103.1  37.4
    5 Fabricio Alada      SF   NOL   82  36.3  115.5  106.9  35.5
    6 S.O'Neal             C   BOS   82  34.9  119.6  104.5  33.5
    7 N.Chandraseka       SG   BKN   76  36.3  116.9  113.4  33.4
    8 Mo Shih             SF   DEN   69  36.8  117.0  106.7  33.2
    9 Chuma Afiba         SF   HFD   82  35.9  120.2  107.6  32.9
   10 H.Vishnavi          PG   UTA   82  35.8  119.9  109.1  32.8
   11 Miko Joenlahti      SF   BOS   82  35.7  119.5  102.8  32.3
   12 Mende Riso          PG   PHI   82  31.5  116.5  103.1  29.0
   13 Tim Duncan           C   DET   82  36.8  118.6  109.9  28.0
   14 Nikolay Kakora      PG   LAL   82  37.0  110.6  113.1  25.8
   15 A.Hardaway          SF   WAS   82  36.5  104.7  105.8  25.3
   16 Paul Pierce         PF   PIT   82  33.9  109.1  105.5  25.1
   17 Grant Hill          PF   PHI   82  34.3  115.6  104.9  24.8
   18 Jospeh Clements     PG   DET   82  33.7  119.1  110.0  24.7
   19 Shawn Kemp           C   IND   82  33.8  111.6  107.8  24.3
   20 Ray Allen           SG   POR   75  35.7  109.6  118.1  24.0
   21 Sulo Parviainen     PF   HOU   82  35.5  115.7  104.8  22.8
   22 Felipe Carranza     SF   IND   82  35.5  111.7  107.7  22.7
   23 Kobe Bryant         SF   DAL   82  34.0  109.1  113.4  22.6
   24 Kevin Garnett        C   MIN   82  37.2  107.7  109.5  21.8
   25 Jim Jackson         SF   PHX   82  36.1  112.6  110.7  21.3
   26 Tim Hardaway        PG   DEN   82  35.2  115.2  106.5  21.0
   27 Steve Smith         SG   PHX   82  36.3  112.9  112.3  20.7
   28 Steve Nash          SG   MIN   66  36.4  109.2  110.2  20.5
   29 Terry Mills         PF   SJO   82  34.9  121.3  103.6  20.5
   30 Rasheed Wallace      C   UTA   82  35.6  119.1  110.0  20.1
   31 Travis Best         PG   CLE   82  33.5  113.3  112.0  19.7
   32 Elden Campbell       C   SAS   82  34.1  104.7  111.9  19.7
   33 S.Mapouras          PF   HFD   82  34.8  120.2  108.4  19.5
   34 Patrick Jacques      C   ANA   82  35.9  107.0  112.8  19.4
   35 C.Laettner           C   WAS   82  31.8  105.9  107.9  19.3
   36 Terrell Brandon     PG   STL   82  35.8  120.0  106.7  19.3
   37 Billy Beauchamp     PF   POR   82  17.6  108.8  111.6  19.0
   38 Sean Elliott        SF   SAS   82  14.6  105.0  106.3  18.9
   39 Chris Webber        PF   CHI   82  35.4  105.1  114.7  18.6

    # Player             Pos  Team  Gms   Min   OEff   DEff   PER
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   40 Sam Cassell         SG   ANA   82  35.4  106.1  112.1  18.5
   41 Dushane Fields      SF   MIN   80  31.2  108.4  108.9  18.5
   42 C.Billups           PG   PHX   75  35.4  113.7  112.2  18.4
   43 Antoine Walker      PF   CLE   75  32.6  113.1  112.3  18.4
   44 Larry Johnson       PF   NOL   82  36.8  113.5  108.6  18.3
   45 Vince Carter        SG   DEN   80  34.1  115.9  105.8  18.2
   46 Jalen Rose          SG   UTA   75  34.3  117.1  106.7  18.2
   47 G.Muresan           PF   BOS   82  32.8  120.1  102.5  18.1
   48 Trent Thibodeau     SG   SEA   81  17.3  100.6  111.7  17.8
   49 Tracy McGrady       SF   SAS   82  34.4  103.7  115.3  17.6
   50 Juwan Howard        PF   DEN   82  37.8  114.0  106.2  17.5
   51 Irving McKeever     PF   MIA   82  35.6  113.5  107.6  17.4
   52 Greg Anthony        PG   NYK   82  13.7  104.6  107.7  17.1
   53 Denver Colby        PF   NYK   81  12.6  110.8  108.2  17.1
   54 Casey Abernathy     PF   SEA   82  28.2   99.9  112.9  17.1
   55 Anthony Peeler      SG   CHR   81  33.6  103.9  114.3  17.1
   56 Antonio McDyess     PF   DAL   82  33.1  108.2  114.1  17.0
   57 Stephon Marbury     PG   BKN   82  34.8  117.4  116.1  17.0
   58 Andre Miller        SG   DET   73  23.0  116.9  111.2  16.8
   59 Jon Barry           SF   CLE   82  33.8  112.0  112.5  16.8
   60 Kenny Anderson      PG   CHI   82  35.8  104.2  114.4  16.7
   61 Alan Henderson      PF   SAS   82  33.5  103.3  112.7  16.7
   62 Simon Sykora        PG   HFD   82  34.5  120.1  107.3  16.5
   63 Cliff Robinson      PF   LAL   82  33.4  111.1  111.6  16.5
   64 Antawn Jamison      PF   CHR   79  17.5  101.9  115.3  16.5
   65 Shon Bertram        PG   PHX   82  14.8  105.6  109.7  16.4
   66 Arsene Langlois     SF   CHI   82  12.6  101.3  110.2  16.4
   67 J.Stackhouse        PG   ANA   81  14.0  106.0  110.4  16.4
   68 W.Winstead          SG   IND   82  14.3  106.6  108.4  16.3
   69 Justise Aldrich     SG   MIA   82  35.4  116.4  109.9  16.2
   70 Z.Ilgauskas          C   CHI   82  33.3  105.7  115.5  16.2
   71 Clyde Drexler       SF   PIT   74  33.1  112.1  107.7  16.2
   72 Keith Van Horn      PF   CHR   82  31.1  103.0  113.5  16.2
   73 Hubert Davis        SG   DAL   82  34.9  108.2  115.7  16.1
   74 Toni Kukoc           C   CLE   82  35.2  111.6  110.9  16.1
   75 Glenn Robinson      SF   POR   82  14.0  107.1  111.2  16.0
   76 Rodney Rogers       PF   UTA   76  31.0  119.2  107.2  16.0
   77 Charlie Ward        SG   CLE   82  34.2  111.0  110.6  16.0
   78 Scottie Pippen      PF   NYK   82  35.6  101.2  113.1  16.0
   79 Derek Fisher        PG   NOL   82  36.8  114.6  109.5  15.9

    # Player             Pos  Team  Gms   Min   OEff   DEff   PER
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   80 Joe Smith            C   STL   82  31.6  119.6  105.2  15.8
   81 Dino Radja           C   ANA   82  22.0  107.7  113.4  15.8
   82 Jason Kidd          SG   HFD   82  37.4  118.1  109.1  15.8
   83 Shawn Bradley        C   PIT   82  32.2  107.4  104.4  15.6
   84 Eddy Hull           SG   SEA   82  20.6   99.9  115.3  15.6
   85 Hakeem Olajuwon      C   PIT   82  25.7  108.6  109.4  15.6
   86 Jamal Mashburn      SF   HFD   82  13.1  105.1  110.5  15.6
   87 Oliver Miller       PF   CLE   82  15.7  102.0  108.7  15.5
   88 Dirk Nowitzki        C   LAL   82  37.0  109.9  113.0  15.5
   89 Adam Keefe          PF   DET   82  24.4  116.9  111.2  15.4
   90 Eric Murdock        PG   BKN   82  13.0  102.8  108.0  15.4
   91 Rick Fox            SF   DET   82  14.4  111.6  102.9  15.4
   92 David Wesley        PG   DAL   82  18.6  101.6  108.1  15.4
   93 Ervin Snyder        SF   POR   82  33.9  110.0  117.3  15.3
   94 S.Abdur-Rahim       PF   HOU   74  12.7  105.3  105.2  15.3
   95 Ben Wallace          C   NOL   82  23.9  110.4  107.1  15.3
   96 Stacey Augmon       PF   MIN   82  25.5  104.9  109.1  15.1
   97 Elliot Perry        PG   MIA   75  11.6   98.2  106.0  15.1
   98 Steve Francis       SG   NYK   82  32.3  103.9  111.2  15.0
   99 Théo Dupont         PF   DET   82  29.6  120.4  109.6  15.0
  100 Michael Jordan      SF   NYK   82  35.3  101.4  112.7  14.9
  101 Ezra Kay            SF   SEA   80   9.3   98.6  109.7  14.9
  102 Hersey Hawkins      SG   STL   80  32.0  119.0  106.5  14.9
  103 Glen Rice           PF   UTA   82  17.5  110.0  112.4  14.8
  104 Brent Barry         SF   BKN   82  33.9  113.1  112.8  14.8
  105 Bonzi Wells         SF   LAL   82  23.1  111.7  112.2  14.7
  106 D.Armstrong         PG   SJO   82  33.8  121.9  103.4  14.7
  107 Voshon Lenard       SF   NYK   82  13.2  110.6  109.5  14.7
  108 Danny Manning        C   HFD   82  33.9  118.4  108.3  14.7
  109 Rod Strickland      PG   CLE   82  14.3  102.5  107.4  14.7
  110 Tuan Mayhew         SG   BOS   78  34.1  118.6  102.5  14.6
  111 John Crotty         PG   NYK   82  34.2  103.4  113.4  14.6
  112 Lindsey Hunter      SG   PIT   82  24.3  108.9  107.8  14.6
  113 Kendall Gill        SF   CHR   82  34.1  102.8  115.4  14.4
  114 Allen Iverson       PG   PIT   77  35.8  108.3  107.2  14.3
  115 Nick Anderson       SG   PHI   82  36.3  112.1  104.8  14.2
  116 Mitch Richmond      SF   DEN   82  15.1  104.6  108.2  14.2
  117 Kerry Kittles       SG   DET   82  36.8  119.1  109.5  14.2
  118 Eric Piatkowski     PF   IND   81  33.4  112.0  108.5  14.2
  119 Danny Fortson       PF   LAL   82  13.9  106.7  111.7  14.2

    # Player             Pos  Team  Gms   Min   OEff   DEff   PER
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  120 Mike Bibby          SG   CHI   82  24.1  103.7  115.7  14.2
  121 Carlos Colon        SG   PIT   82  33.5  107.7  104.5  14.0
  122 V.Bogicevic         SG   HOU   82  36.5  112.3  103.9  14.0
  123 Stanley Roberts      C   POR   82  34.1  109.4  115.9  13.9
  124 Vlade Divac          C   PHI   82  33.5  114.7  105.6  13.9
  125 Bryon Russell       SF   PHI   82  34.8  110.6  103.6  13.9
  126 Matt Geiger          C   POR   82  13.7  109.0  115.0  13.9
  127 D.Marshall          SF   SJO   82  33.7  118.5  104.7  13.8
  128 Eisaku Sako         SF   LAL   82  35.8  109.0  111.7  13.8
  129 Jermaine O'Neal     PF   SAS   82  23.3  104.3  114.7  13.7
  130 M.Mortensen         PF   HFD   81  12.7  104.7  108.1  13.7
  131 Chris Whitney       PG   CHR   72  11.7  103.0  111.4  13.6
  132 Marcus Camby         C   NOL   77  32.9  114.2  106.2  13.5
  133 Armen Gilliam        C   SJO   82  14.7  108.0  109.3  13.3
  134 Rashard Lewis       PF   BKN   82  36.0  116.8  117.9  13.2
  135 Alonzo Mourning      C   HFD   82  14.2  110.6  108.8  13.2
  136 M.Abdul-Rauf        PG   IND   81  12.6  104.7  110.1  13.1
  137 G.Schroder           C   MIN   80  11.4  101.2  110.5  13.1
  138 Andrew Lang          C   HOU   82  33.4  115.2  104.9  13.1
  139 Derrick McKey       PF   CHI   82  12.5   98.9  112.8  13.0
  140 Raef Lafrentz       PF   PHX   82  32.9  112.3  113.3  13.0
  141 Cuttino Mobley      SG   SAS   82  14.4  104.7  109.0  13.0
  142 Doug Christie       SF   CHI   82  35.2  104.1  115.7  13.0
  143 C.Weatherspoon      PF   WAS   82  34.4  102.1  105.5  13.0
  144 Kameron Pullen       C   DEN   74  29.4  117.0  102.3  13.0
  145 Jaivon Samuels      PF   ANA   82  35.3  107.1  110.6  12.9
  146 Anthony Parker      SF   BKN   82  23.8  110.8  117.2  12.9
  147 Allan Houston       SF   NOL   82  27.4  110.4  104.6  12.9
  148 D.Iniguez           PF   DET   61   4.1  101.6  107.1  12.9
  149 David Robinson       C   PHX   82  34.5  113.3  112.7  12.9
  150 Derek Strong        PF   SJO   81  13.2   97.9  111.5  12.8
  151 Tracy Murray        PF   MIA   82  21.6  111.4  108.1  12.7
  152 Shawn Marion        PF   POR   68  34.7  109.0  118.9  12.7
  153 Anthony Johnson     SG   NYK   81  15.6  103.0  112.0  12.7
  154 W.Szczerbiak        SF   CLE   82  14.2  104.6  106.2  12.6
  155 R.Hamilton          SF   CHR   82  14.1  101.4  111.1  12.6
  156 Baron Davis         PG   CHR   75  30.7  103.2  114.3  12.5
  157 Isiah Yancey        PF   WAS   82  29.7  102.4  108.3  12.5
  158 Sherman Douglas     PG   IND   81  35.9  110.5  107.8  12.4
  159 I.Corvalan           C   BKN   82  27.7  117.8  114.5  12.4

    # Player             Pos  Team  Gms   Min   OEff   DEff   PER
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  160 Roy Tarpley         PF   BKN   81  12.1  103.2  103.0  12.4
  161 Elton Brand         PF   PIT   58   8.6   95.5  111.0  12.4
  162 Ron Artest          SF   ANA   82  36.2  106.6  112.8  12.4
  163 Peja Stojakovic     SF   DET   82  34.7  119.7  113.5  12.3
  164 Brian Shaw          SF   MIA   82  35.7  114.2  107.8  12.3
  165 Arvydas Sabonis     PF   SAS   57   6.1  104.1  105.4  12.2
  166 George Lynch        PF   MIN   82  33.2  107.2  109.1  12.2
  167 Michael Finley      SF   UTA   82  35.3  115.7  109.0  12.2
  168 Tyree Grantham      SF   IND   82  13.0  101.9  110.7  12.2
  169 Alvin Williams      SG   UTA   82  24.4  117.1  110.6  12.0
  170 Bobby Phills        SF   HOU   69  33.1  116.6  104.1  12.0
  171 Vlasi Khavanov      SF   SEA   77  28.6   98.5  115.2  12.0
  172 Bobby Jackson       PG   MIN   74  26.7  106.6  107.9  12.0
  173 Hanania Mutaa       SG   UTA   52   7.4  108.7  114.3  11.9
  174 Gary Payton         SG   WAS   82  37.6  103.9  109.1  11.9
  175 O.Harrington        PF   IND   82  14.2  101.2  108.5  11.8
  176 Kevin Edwards       SG   DAL   82  13.4   96.5  102.7  11.8
  177 Damon Jones         SG   CLE   82  13.8  106.7  110.8  11.8
  178 Warren Kidd         PF   PHX   78  12.9  107.2  106.3  11.8
  179 Dale Davis           C   IND   73  14.0  102.5  110.7  11.8
  180 Malik Sealy         SG   IND   79  34.4  109.9  108.4  11.7
  181 Abel Almendros      SG   STL   82  16.1  104.2  102.3  11.7
  182 E.Recasner          SG   POR   82  15.9  109.0  109.2  11.7
  183 Aaron McKie         SF   PHX   82  22.2  107.2  111.0  11.7
  184 Bruce Bowen         SF   ANA   82  22.7  109.4  111.2  11.7
  185 Derrick Coleman      C   NYK   82  17.6  102.8  115.7  11.6
  186 Keon Clark           C   STL   82  15.9  102.9  103.9  11.6
  187 Keith Closs          C   WAS   82  15.5   99.2  103.8  11.5
  188 Felton Spencer       C   DAL   82  30.5  110.6  112.4  11.5
  189 Tharon Mayes        PG   SEA   82  21.6   99.5  114.5  11.5
  190 Kilyan Benoît       PG   POR   73  31.4  112.1  117.8  11.5
  191 S.Genovesi          PG   SEA   82  34.4   99.5  116.5  11.4
  192 Kurt Thomas         PF   DAL   82  14.8   98.1  106.9  11.4
  193 Parsa Najafi        SF   PIT   82  15.5   99.9  102.1  11.2
  194 Chris Childs        SG   HOU   82  19.3  111.0  107.9  11.1
  195 Troy Hudson         PG   ANA   82  34.1  107.4  113.0  11.1
  196 Bimbo Coles         PG   DAL   78  30.2  107.1  114.8  11.1
  197 Bryant Stith        SG   MIA   82  13.7  102.9  103.0  11.1
  198 Jonah Jessup         C   MIA   82  30.9  116.7  107.3  11.1
  199 Lucious Harris      SF   SJO   81  14.4  106.9  108.4  11.0

    # Player             Pos  Team  Gms   Min   OEff   DEff   PER
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  200 Steve Henson        PG   BOS   82  16.0  109.0  102.8  11.0
  201 D.Stoudamire        PG   SAS   80  35.6  104.5  116.3  11.0
  202 Lorenzen Wright      C   CLE   82  14.6  108.0  108.7  11.0
  203 Lamar Odom           C   LAL   82  12.0  106.8  108.1  11.0
  204 Edwin Barea         PG   MIN   56  14.3  103.6  111.5  10.9
  205 Doug Overton        SG   CHR   67  13.2   98.3  115.4  10.9
  206 Tuomas Nenonen      PF   SEA   82  21.5   99.9  119.0  10.9
  207 Duane Causwell       C   UTA   82  12.2  106.7  106.6  10.5
  208 Khalid Reeves       PG   STL   82  12.7   97.7  100.3  10.5
  209 Nick Van Exel       PG   DEN   82  12.9  104.9  108.1  10.5
  210 Evaristo Marchi     SF   HOU   82  18.4  107.4  105.8  10.5
  211 Pooh Richardson     PG   UTA   82  12.5  103.8  109.9  10.5
  212 Darrick Martin      PG   SJO   82  14.2   98.3  111.3  10.4
  213 Scott Brooks        PG   WAS   82  35.3  105.3  108.4  10.4
  214 Marcus Webb         PF   PHI   78  13.5   95.2  104.8  10.3
  215 Rex Walters         PG   SAS   82  13.4  103.5  103.7  10.2
  216 Tony Delk           SG   HFD   81  10.8  109.2  106.0  10.1
  217 Marlon Maxey        PF   BOS   82  14.0  108.4  105.8  10.0
  218 Keith Jennings      PG   LAL   82  11.3  105.2  107.8  10.0
  219 Thomas Hamilton      C   PHI   79  14.5  100.2  102.6   9.9
  220 P.Danilovic         SF   BOS   71  21.1  112.8  107.6   9.9
  221 Rony Seikaly         C   CHI   82  14.1   98.1  110.8   9.9
  222 Greg Ostertag        C   CHR   82  32.4  103.7  113.7   9.9
  223 Sean Rooks           C   BOS   81  13.4  106.7  105.0   9.8
  224 B.J. Armstrong      PG   HFD   81  13.6  105.7  111.3   9.8
  225 Moochie Norris      PG   PHI   82  16.1   97.5  108.6   9.7
  226 Miguel Martinez     PF   STL   82  26.7  120.6  103.2   9.7
  227 Didier Chizuoke     SF   SEA   70  17.0   98.6  114.4   9.7
  228 Mark Price          PG   BOS   82  32.1  119.6  105.1   9.6
  229 Ervin Johnson        C   SEA   82  21.3   99.9  110.3   9.6
  230 Dikembe Mutombo      C   SJO   82  33.0  118.1  104.1   9.6
  231 Xisto Cabeleira      C   BKN   82  18.4  106.7  112.0   9.5
  232 Andrei Zimyatov     SG   NOL   82  37.5  110.9  107.2   9.4
  233 Todd Fuller          C   HOU   82  14.6  107.4  103.4   9.4
  234 Dominik Skala        C   SEA   82  23.5   99.0  117.6   9.4
  235 Vitalijs Pelcis     SF   STL   78  13.1   96.4  102.4   9.3
  236 Lewis Garcia        SG   LAL   80  35.2  107.9  112.0   9.2
  237 Tony Battie          C   DEN   66  10.2  108.5  119.7   9.2
  238 Les Jepsen           C   DAL   80  16.2   94.6  110.7   8.8
  239 Vernon Maxwell      SF   PHI   82  21.3  107.1  107.7   8.7

    # Player             Pos  Team  Gms   Min   OEff   DEff   PER
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  240 Jospeh Klinger      PG   POR   82  18.4  104.5  112.9   8.7
  241 Chucky Atkins       PG   MIN   77  31.8  105.7  109.5   8.3
  242 Walt Williams       SF   MIN   63   6.9   94.9  111.8   8.3
  243 Jeff Foster          C   PHX   82  13.6  106.8  106.2   8.2
  244 A.Goldwire          PG   WAS   82  12.8   97.3  102.2   8.2
  245 Manuel Omaga        SG   SAS   82  33.9  103.9  114.0   8.0
  246 L.Sprewell          SF   DAL   82  14.2   95.5  108.0   7.9
  247 D.Willoughby        SG   DEN   82  17.8  104.4  108.6   7.9
  248 Zulfikkur Pasha      C   NYK   82  29.7  104.8  109.3   7.8
  249 P.Duquesnes          C   CHR   82  14.7  100.4  114.0   7.6
  250 Jahidi White        PF   STL   81  20.1  106.3  107.2   7.4
  251 Charles Jones       PG   DET   58   7.2  100.9  113.3   7.2
  252 Donald Hodge         C   DEN   82  21.6  106.5  108.5   6.9
  253 Scott Haskin         C   MIA   82  15.4  103.2  106.8   6.9
  254 Carlos Diaz         SG   BOS   52   9.8   99.0  110.2   6.6
  255 Y.Guznishcheva      SG   CHI   71  34.7  102.7  114.2   5.9
  256 Erik Legrand        SG   SJO   82  14.8   95.8  112.7   4.6

So that's that. I'm not sure I'll stick with this team for next season because I think I've seen enough. The changes I'd make almost result in a new team and I think you just need to get more stars on the team. What'll be really interesting is seeing how many of these guys are still around in 4 years. Also, I did position this team decently if they make deals, as there were a few future firsts that came over in two of the deals we made.

That being said, they can't fall much further from where they are.

06-21-2014, 09:13 PM	#2
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Using the same base file from Episode 1, taking over the Seattle Supersonics, who after a string of successful years which culminated with a title in 1987 and back three straight Finals appearances from 1988-1990, on en route to their 3rd straight non-playoff season finishing the 1998 season at 16-66. Clyde Drexler, their star has been here his whole career but he's 37 and on the downslope of his career. The house rules: -Everyone on the roster gets dealt for someone else. No one can come back, even if it's a guy whose been there forever or a dude with talent who might be able to help them. Oh well. - Can only acquire players who were not starters on their previous teams. Changed my mind on foreign guys, so long as they've never played in the NBA as a starter. Goals: - See how far the team can get in a season. Possibly more, if it's interesting at all. Last edited by Young Drachma : 06-21-2014 at 11:20 PM.

06-22-2014, 02:05 AM	#4
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Okay so, this sixth man trading thing is basically akin to an expansion draft in a sense. But that's all good. So here are the 1 for 1 acquisitions we'll be making. I'll do a season/team preview before the start of the year once we have it all together. Tuomas Nenonen, SF (76ers, 5.8 MPG 2.7 PPG last yr) Ervin Johnson, C (Bullets, 15.3 MPG, 3.6 PPG, 3.9 RPG) Eddy Hull, PG (Celtics, 2.6 MPG, 1.4 PPG) Ezra Kay, PF (Condors, 20.3 MPG, 10.5 PPG) Dominik Skala, C (Nuggets, 19.9 MPG, 15 starts, 4.6 RPG) Didier Chizuoke, SG, (Suns, 6.3 MPG, 2.0 PPG) Rather than go out and get a roster of sixth men, I just opted to take six, with the idea being that you basically just take a roster of six guys and meld them with your existing roster (Whoever is left) and see how it goes from there, presuming you're actually starting these dudes, so that your roster of six men aren't like 12th men. Funny sidenote, Michael Jordan is good in this league but not amazing. He's been with the Pacers his whole career and I orchestrated a deal to send him to New York with the Knicks. The last guy we got is Tharon Mayes, who in this game for whatever reason seems to have elite level talent but has never been a starter anywhere, which makes him eligible to be signed. In real life, he played in 24 NBA games before going overseas. Anyway...

06-22-2014, 02:32 AM	#5
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	I drafted SG Vlasi Khavanov, who was Russian league MVP at age 21 last year, figuring he'd help. The reality is, the experiment didn't work so well. The Sonics went 11-71, even worse than they were the year before and will miss the post-season for the 4th straight year. Cohension was good, but talent was bad. I think part of the problem was the lack of veteran leadership, the oldest guy we had was 32 year old Ervin Johnson. I'm playing stats only, so when all you have to go on is colors & stats, it leads to some unpredictability and well...that's what happened here. The statistical post-mortem is to come. I am somewhat interested in seeing if you paired this club with different guys whether they'd be any better or not. But a league with only 27 teams means that at least one more superstar -- paired with a salary cap that's only around $57 million means that more teams have more talent and it takes a lot more elite players to cobble together a title team. So in my random sample of one season, no, you can't take sixth men and think you're gonna put together a playoff team because it's not happening. Not enough parity to make that possible without some seasoned vets joining forces with them, maybe. If I bent the rules and enabled former starters who are over the hill, say a guy like Charles Barkley who is in Phoenix but not starting, to a team like this it might help. But probably not enough to make a huge difference.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)