The Obama Presidency - 2008 & 2012 - Page 19

Greyroofoo · 03-20-2009, 03:50 PM

Reactions like this is the reason I try to be as offensive as possible at times. It's really all just too damn funny.

We have the economy hanging by a thread, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, North Korea's sabre rattling and several other bad situations. Yet lets focus on some off-handed remark on an entertainment show.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-20-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

We have the economy hanging by a thread, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, North Korea's sabre rattling and several other bad situations. Yet lets focus on some off-handed remark on an entertainment show.

Which of course totally misses the point. No one is saying that focus shouldn't be on those issues. It's stupid to say otherwise. But it shows a great deal of insensitivity by Obama to make the comment and anyone else who insists it's not that big of a deal.

Flasch186 · 03-20-2009, 04:06 PM

i believe there is another thread (post) wherein I told you, that you were missing the point...you didnt seem to care.

rowech · 03-20-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

Reactions like this is the reason I try to be as offensive as possible at times. It's really all just too damn funny.

We have the economy hanging by a thread, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, North Korea's sabre rattling and several other bad situations. Yet lets focus on some off-handed remark on an entertainment show.

Which is why he should have never been on the show in the first place.

duckman · 03-20-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Flasch186

i believe there is another thread (post) wherein I told you, that you were missing the point...you didnt seem to care.

That's because most people here don't care about your opinion.

Greyroofoo · 03-20-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

But it shows a great deal of insensitivity by Obama to make the comment and anyone else who insists it's not that big of a deal.

I think you're being insensitive to my insensitivity.

RainMaker · 03-20-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Which of course totally misses the point. No one is saying that focus shouldn't be on those issues. It's stupid to say otherwise. But it shows a great deal of insensitivity by Obama to make the comment and anyone else who insists it's not that big of a deal.

I'd consider it insensitive if he truly was trying to disrespect the Special Olympics. He just said something that we all say privately out loud. It was extremely stupid but I still don't think it's a big deal unless his intentions were to take a shot at them.

Raiders Army · 03-20-2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

I'd consider it insensitive if he truly was trying to disrespect the Special Olympics. He just said something that we all say privately out loud. It was extremely stupid but I still don't think it's a big deal unless his intentions were to take a shot at them.

Obviously you would feel that way.

RainMaker · 03-20-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Obviously you would feel that way.

Feel what way? That it was a stupid comment? Or that he didn't mean to offend anyone?

Flasch186 · 03-20-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman

That's because most people here don't care about your opinion.

could be.

Raiders Army · 03-20-2009, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Feel what way? That it was a stupid comment? Or that he didn't mean to offend anyone?

That you would feel as if he didn't mean to offend anyone.

larrymcg421 · 03-20-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

That you would feel as if he didn't mean to offend anyone.

Well, does anyone think he meant to offend? Really? I can understand being annoyed or upset by his comment, but do you honestly think he set out to offend the mentally handicapped with his comments?

RainMaker · 03-20-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

That you would feel as if he didn't mean to offend anyone.

You really think he has some secret vendetta toward the Special Olympics and realized this was his one shot to let it out?

Raiders Army · 03-21-2009, 06:26 AM

You must really say these things in private all the time as well as publicly to get so worked up. Of course I don't think he has a vendetta. Then again, at least he had the common sense to appear remorseful.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-21-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

I'd consider it insensitive if he truly was trying to disrespect the Special Olympics. He just said something that we all say privately out loud. It was extremely stupid but I still don't think it's a big deal unless his intentions were to take a shot at them.

Your comment here speaks volumes. It's exactly why it WAS such a big deal.

Flasch186 · 03-21-2009, 09:36 AM

I cheer for MBBF on this and am glad to see him championing equal rights and pointing out discrimination or disrespect when it occurs and look forward to his championing the same when it comes to human rights, civil rights, etc. Hear Hear!

/Admitted slight sarcasm to the above BUT if he shoves that sarcasm down my throat by being the Champion I hope he is and will be than that is good for everyone and Ill be keen to eat crow.

larrymcg421 · 03-21-2009, 09:51 AM

*cough*

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - Madden Collectors Edition Anyone?

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

So you don't want to see posts from me, but you'll flame me at a moment's notice and then wonder why I post. Welcome to The Short Bus Chronicles: Sun Tzu-style.

Things like this are why people don't take you seriously, MBBF.

panerd · 03-21-2009, 10:15 AM

What about his relative?!? Oh the horror!!!

Great find.

JPhillips · 03-21-2009, 10:25 AM

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So you don't want to see posts from me, but you'll flame me at a moment's notice and then wonder why I post. Welcome to The Short Bus Chronicles: Sun Tzu-style.

Fuck you MBBF. Fuck you.

I can see it coming already. MBBF will create a nice little PR appearance where he rides a bus somewhere with some kids from Special Olympics and then makes a joke noting that disabled people ride better than him. This just in......that doesn't change what you've already said. Disable people can do anything they want to do. You fucked up.

Check your ignorance at the door and actually attend a Special Olympics event. You might actually learn something about what motivated disabled people can achieve. Their effort in their endeavors even with their disabilities often dwarfs the efforts of lazy people who have no excuse for their lack of effort.

By the way, I hope the Kennedy family publicly hammers MBBF for this comment.

Millions of Americans are smart enough to know that this kind of ignorance needs to be battled at all levels. Disabled people have enough people who use them as the butt of jokes.

But it shows a great deal of insensitivity by MBBF to make the comment and anyone else who insists it's not that big of a deal.

sterlingice · 03-21-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by panerd

What about his relative?!? Oh the horror!!!

Great find.

What? MBBF was feigning indignation? (Again?)

I am shocked! Utterly shocked!

SI

SFL Cat · 03-21-2009, 12:19 PM

Obama wouldn't have made the Special Olympics gaffe if his teleprompter had been there.

But it just goes to show, you live by PC outrage, you die by PC outrage.

Big Fo · 03-21-2009, 12:42 PM

@ MBBF's self-ownage

duckman · 03-21-2009, 01:45 PM

Jas_lov · 03-21-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Yes, because there's no good bowlers in the Special Olympics, right? Because they're disabled in some ways, they can't bowl any better than Obama, right?

Check your ignorance at the door and actually attend a Special Olympics event. You might actually learn something about what motivated disabled people can achieve. Their effort in their endeavors even with their disabilities often dwarfs the efforts of lazy people who have no excuse for their lack of effort.

Well well well. So what about the kids who ride the short bus? Just because they ride on a different bus they aren't as good as the kids who ride the regular bus, right? I just can't believe someone would joke about these poor little children who fight so hard everyday despite being at a disadvantage. YOU MONSTER! Your nephew sounds like a great kid, maybe you could learn something from him.

DaddyTorgo · 03-21-2009, 03:20 PM

OWNED!

this board never dissapoints!

sterlingice · 03-21-2009, 03:32 PM

So, is there going to be some FOFC meme coming from this like "that's as imaginary as MBBF's nephew"?

SI

JPhillips · 03-21-2009, 03:45 PM

what realer, Noop's girlfriend or MBBF's nephew?

RainMaker · 03-21-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Your comment here speaks volumes. It's exactly why it WAS such a big deal.

What is the big deal? I mean what changes dramatically in society and in your life. I consider raising taxes for me a big deal. I consider a policy that affects my safety a big deal. A stupid comment on Jay Leno is not a big deal to me.

That's the problem with partisian politics. You guys pick the dumbest things to make news. We have two wars going on, worst economic situation since the depression, and major issues with our health care system. But the big news for you guys is a comment about the Special Olympics on the Jay Leno show.

And the comment has been socially acceptible for a long time. I admit that it was really stupid and he should apologize, but the "outrage" by people is laughable. I'd bet most people have called someone a retard, something retarded, or made a short bus joke. If your friend called something retarded, you wouldn't take offense. Unless you're someone fighting for the civil rights of special needs people who has been advocating the stoppage of those insults, it just makes you a hypocrit.

Logan · 03-21-2009, 05:16 PM

Oof. Glad I checked in here.

CamEdwards · 03-21-2009, 05:30 PM

I'm not sure what's worse... MBBF's outrage over Obama's comment, or the fact that Larry searched the archives for something that would nail MBBF... all the while ignoring the wise adage that arguing on the internet is like winning a medal at the Special Olympics: at the end of the day, you'll still never be invited on the Tonight Show.

cartman · 03-21-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CamEdwards

I'm not sure what's worse... MBBF's outrage over Obama's comment, or the fact that Larry searched the archives for something that would nail MBBF... all the while ignoring the wise adage that arguing on the internet is like winning a medal at the Special Olympics: at the end of the day, you'll still never be invited on the Tonight Show.

You might have had something here if you phrased it in the form of a jbmagic post.

larrymcg421 · 03-21-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CamEdwards

I'm not sure what's worse... MBBF's outrage over Obama's comment, or the fact that Larry searched the archives for something that would nail MBBF... all the while ignoring the wise adage that arguing on the internet is like winning a medal at the Special Olympics: at the end of the day, you'll still never be invited on the Tonight Show.

If you'll check, I was annoyed at Obama's comment, too. But I got the sense that MBBF was being hypocritical, especially in response to someone that said it is a common joke. It took less than a minute to confirm that suspicion.

sterlingice · 03-21-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CamEdwards

I'm not sure what's worse... MBBF's outrage over Obama's comment, or the fact that Larry searched the archives for something that would nail MBBF... all the while ignoring the wise adage that arguing on the internet is like winning a medal at the Special Olympics: at the end of the day, you'll still never be invited on the Tonight Show.

"By the way, guys: rhyming 'Homer' with 'homer'?" *kisses fingers*

SI

larrymcg421 · 03-21-2009, 05:50 PM

I'm also amused by someone that comes to this board (or any board) to argue that it's lame to argue on the internet. The lack of perspective is hilarious.

duckman · 03-21-2009, 07:38 PM

It's even more amusing to state someone has a "lack of perspective" about someone making such a statement as though they are above it.

larrymcg421 · 03-21-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman

It's even more amusing to state someone has a "lack of perspective" about someone making such a statement as though they are above it.

Huh? I don't think I'm "above" anything. That was kinda the point.

Galaxy · 03-21-2009, 11:06 PM

Yikes!

Administration Seeks Increase in Oversight of Executive Pay - NYTimes.com

JPhillips · 03-22-2009, 08:24 AM

I don't know how to make it work, but allowing shareholders to have a greater say in top level compensation is something I'd generally be for. I'm also very much in favor of more transparency in reporting for publicly traded companies. Where I would draw a hard line is at totally private firms. They should be allowed to structure and report as they please.

molson · 03-22-2009, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

What is the big deal? I mean what changes dramatically in society and in your life. I consider raising taxes for me a big deal. I consider a policy that affects my safety a big deal. A stupid comment on Jay Leno is not a big deal to me.

That's the problem with partisian politics. You guys pick the dumbest things to make news. We have two wars going on, worst economic situation since the depression, and major issues with our health care system. But the big news for you guys is a comment about the Special Olympics on the Jay Leno show.

And the comment has been socially acceptible for a long time. I admit that it was really stupid and he should apologize, but the "outrage" by people is laughable. I'd bet most people have called someone a retard, something retarded, or made a short bus joke. If your friend called something retarded, you wouldn't take offense. Unless you're someone fighting for the civil rights of special needs people who has been advocating the stoppage of those insults, it just makes you a hypocrit.

I totally agree with all that - but it's too bad that sentiment doesn't seem to go both ways in this board. We spend so much time getting worked up over similar Republican gaffes. We're more concerned with Bush's grammar and Palin's wardrobe than their actual incompetence (not you, but certainly others here that are piling on).

Galaxy · 03-22-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

I don't know how to make it work, but allowing shareholders to have a greater say in top level compensation is something I'd generally be for. I'm also very much in favor of more transparency in reporting for publicly traded companies. Where I would draw a hard line is at totally private firms. They should be allowed to structure and report as they please.

While part of the article talks about that, that's not what I'm getting out of it in terms of giving shareholders the power (instead of government regulations).

"One proposal could impose greater requirements on company boards to tie executive compensation more closely to corporate performance and to take other steps to ensure that compensation was aligned with the financial interest of the company."

CamEdwards · 03-22-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

I'm also amused by someone that comes to this board (or any board) to argue that it's lame to argue on the internet. The lack of perspective is hilarious.

Corky from "Life Goes On" just called to tell me that even he thinks the last two pages of this thread have been totally retarded.

JPhillips · 03-22-2009, 10:40 AM

Wait until MBBF tells Eunice Shriver what you said.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-22-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

Yikes!
Administration Seeks Increase in Oversight of Executive Pay - NYTimes.com

This surprises you? When the object of the game is to get all of the money to Washington & then let them divide it to the rest of us as they see fit, it seems like a pretty logical step.

Flasch186 · 03-22-2009, 11:49 AM

Im actually with the Republicans on the AIG taxation thing. I dont want Congress to retroactively tax something in a punitive manner and Ive listened to dialogue about it today on both sides and think that we should pursue legal means in lieu of taxing means to get the money back.

JPhillips · 03-22-2009, 11:53 AM

The compensation issue should have been settled pre-bailout. That being said, I don't understand the outrage about retroactive changes. Doesn't that happen all the time? My rebate last year was the effect of a tax change applied to money that I had earned earlier in the year. I know it's better to get money than to lose money, but weren't both retroactive? As long as it applies to the current tax year it seems like retroactive tax changes happen rather frequently.

Am I wrong on this?

Flasch186 · 03-22-2009, 12:18 PM

but it's being used punitively and that could be a slippery slope to allow Congress or Gov't to use tax law punitively. Its no good IMO

JPhillips · 03-22-2009, 01:42 PM

But that's a completely different issue than it being retroactive.

Flasch186 · 03-22-2009, 02:16 PM

ok...I dont like the punitive part.

Galaxy · 03-22-2009, 06:05 PM

Why is no one talking about this?
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cartman · 03-22-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaxy

Why is no one talking about this?
Houses Approves Mandatory Volunteer Service Corps | KXNet.com North Dakota News

Read the text of the bill: OpenCongress - Text of H.R.1388 as Placed on Calendar Senate GIVE Act

The link you posted wasn't a news article, it was a blog entry that was auto-posted. Do a search on the word 'mandatory', and there are two hits in the text of the bill. One is using it as a definition of a "service-learning curriculum", and the other is in a list of prohibited activities.

The blog article is not too accurate on their interpretation of the bill.

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03-20-2009, 04:06 PM	#903
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	i believe there is another thread (post) wherein I told you, that you were missing the point...you didnt seem to care. __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL Last edited by Flasch186 : 03-20-2009 at 04:09 PM.

03-21-2009, 09:36 AM	#916
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	I cheer for MBBF on this and am glad to see him championing equal rights and pointing out discrimination or disrespect when it occurs and look forward to his championing the same when it comes to human rights, civil rights, etc. Hear Hear! /Admitted slight sarcasm to the above BUT if he shoves that sarcasm down my throat by being the Champion I hope he is and will be than that is good for everyone and Ill be keen to eat crow. __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL Last edited by Flasch186 : 03-21-2009 at 09:36 AM.

03-21-2009, 12:19 PM	#921
SFL Cat College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Florida	Obama wouldn't have made the Special Olympics gaffe if his teleprompter had been there. But it just goes to show, you live by PC outrage, you die by PC outrage. Last edited by SFL Cat : 03-21-2009 at 12:20 PM.

03-21-2009, 03:32 PM	#926
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	So, is there going to be some FOFC meme coming from this like "that's as imaginary as MBBF's nephew"? SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 03-21-2009 at 03:33 PM.

03-20-2009, 03:50 PM	#901
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	Reactions like this is the reason I try to be as offensive as possible at times. It's really all just too damn funny. We have the economy hanging by a thread, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, North Korea's sabre rattling and several other bad situations. Yet lets focus on some off-handed remark on an entertainment show.

03-21-2009, 06:26 AM	#914
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	You must really say these things in private all the time as well as publicly to get so worked up. Of course I don't think he has a vendetta. Then again, at least he had the common sense to appear remorseful.

03-21-2009, 10:15 AM	#918
panerd Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: St. Louis	What about his relative?!? Oh the horror!!! Great find.

03-21-2009, 12:42 PM	#922
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	@ MBBF's self-ownage

03-21-2009, 03:20 PM	#925
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	OWNED! this board never dissapoints!

03-21-2009, 03:45 PM	#927
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	what realer, Noop's girlfriend or MBBF's nephew? __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

03-21-2009, 05:16 PM	#929
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Oof. Glad I checked in here.

03-21-2009, 05:30 PM	#930
CamEdwards Stadium Announcer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Burke, VA	I'm not sure what's worse... MBBF's outrage over Obama's comment, or the fact that Larry searched the archives for something that would nail MBBF... all the while ignoring the wise adage that arguing on the internet is like winning a medal at the Special Olympics: at the end of the day, you'll still never be invited on the Tonight Show. __________________ I don't want the world. I just want your half.

03-21-2009, 05:50 PM	#934
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	I'm also amused by someone that comes to this board (or any board) to argue that it's lame to argue on the internet. The lack of perspective is hilarious. __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner Last edited by larrymcg421 : 03-21-2009 at 05:51 PM.

03-21-2009, 11:06 PM	#937
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	Yikes! Administration Seeks Increase in Oversight of Executive Pay - NYTimes.com

03-22-2009, 08:24 AM	#938
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	I don't know how to make it work, but allowing shareholders to have a greater say in top level compensation is something I'd generally be for. I'm also very much in favor of more transparency in reporting for publicly traded companies. Where I would draw a hard line is at totally private firms. They should be allowed to structure and report as they please. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

03-22-2009, 10:40 AM	#942
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Wait until MBBF tells Eunice Shriver what you said. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

03-22-2009, 11:49 AM	#944
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	Im actually with the Republicans on the AIG taxation thing. I dont want Congress to retroactively tax something in a punitive manner and Ive listened to dialogue about it today on both sides and think that we should pursue legal means in lieu of taxing means to get the money back. __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

03-22-2009, 11:53 AM	#945
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	The compensation issue should have been settled pre-bailout. That being said, I don't understand the outrage about retroactive changes. Doesn't that happen all the time? My rebate last year was the effect of a tax change applied to money that I had earned earlier in the year. I know it's better to get money than to lose money, but weren't both retroactive? As long as it applies to the current tax year it seems like retroactive tax changes happen rather frequently. Am I wrong on this? __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

03-22-2009, 12:18 PM	#946
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	but it's being used punitively and that could be a slippery slope to allow Congress or Gov't to use tax law punitively. Its no good IMO __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

03-22-2009, 01:42 PM	#947
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	But that's a completely different issue than it being retroactive. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

03-22-2009, 02:16 PM	#948
Flasch186 Coordinator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville, FL	ok...I dont like the punitive part. __________________ Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL

03-22-2009, 06:05 PM	#949
Galaxy Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2005	Why is no one talking about this? Houses Approves Mandatory Volunteer Service Corps \| KXNet.com North Dakota News

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