WW XCIV Group Therapy - Game Over!

[DaddyTorgo]

i should have a quick dinner coming up but be around till deadline...my vote is still out there...i'm really not enamored of being on the lerriuqs bandwagon - i feel like if we've got a bandwagon we've got a villager.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Ouch, is this still almost always a wolf move?

Serious question, I don't think I've seen this since my very extended break and back then it was almost always a wolf move.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Ouch, is this still almost always a wolf move?

If it is, it won't be this time. Of that I can promise.

[Danny]

Votes as of post #2252

1 - Telle - Poli (1981)
7 - Lerriuqs - Autumn (2021), hoopsguy (2057), saldana (2160), Abe (2189), The Jackal (2228), Martin D (2238), Lerriuqs (2248)
1 - Passacaglia - claphamsa (2087)
2- hoopsguy - dubb (2184), Passacaglia (2190)

Yet to Vote - DaddyTorgo, PackerFanatic, Chief Rum, and Telle

[Poli]

Looks like a runaway vote now. Sigh.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Unvote Hoops

Vote Lerriuqs

If this is what the group wants. Why should I argue?

Okay dude, NOW it's lecture time. Throughout the course of playing werewolf, people are going to vote to remove you from the game. A lot of people. And it may be frustrating to you for whatever reason. But you just have to deal with it instead of resorting to things like this.




I think the problem is that people get frustrated with the ones that are the most suspicious of them, and think that in order to stay alive, they need to convince those most suspicious of them that they're good -- and when faced with this Herculean feat, they buckle. However, this is not the way to stay alive -- the way to stay alive is to convince the people who aren't on you, or maybe on the fence about you, to vote for someone ELSE.

[Poli]

Hello. Is this thing on?

[Poli]

Should I bother in even trying to make this close?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Serious question, I don't think I've seen this since my very extended break and back then it was almost always a wolf move.

I've really never bothered trying to figure it out, because I get too filled with rage whenever it happens to care.

[Poli]

I suppose lerriuqs and I would make it somewhat closer.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmm

[DaddyTorgo]

more often than not i think it's a frustrated villager play actually

if you're a wolf you'll tend to reveal and say "yeah i'm a wolf you got me" in order to give your fellow wolves cover on the bandwagon onto you.

[DaddyTorgo]

or at least that's what i'd do

[Poli]

28 Days Later Rage or just old fashioned rage?

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

more often than not i think it's a frustrated villager play actually

if you're a wolf you'll tend to reveal and say "yeah i'm a wolf you got me" in order to give your fellow wolves cover on the bandwagon onto you.

So you are saying if less than half the remaining players were voting for you AND at that point you were only down by 3 AND there were still 5 votes still to come you would reveal as a wolf if you were a wolf?

[dubb93]

I'm not following that line of thought at all.

[Poli]

Well, I'm about to get ready for my "big night". I'll check back in before I head out.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Unvote Hoops

Vote Lerriuqs

If this is what the group wants. Why should I argue?

this isn't going to win you any fans around here.

I realize being on the block is frusterating, but c'mon, you have 6 posts in the game. At least try and provide an alternate candidate and sound reasoning why.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Unvote Hoops

Vote Lerriuqs

If this is what the group wants. Why should I argue?

boo

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by saldana

thanks for thinking i am not as stupid as i seem Hoops

i actually do have a thought....not saying i firmly believe it, but it is a thought worth throwing out there.

there was a lot of disbelief on day 2 regarding EF because he was criticized on N1...people didnt think that the wolves would waste their criticism on one of there own...EF of course turned up wolf.

now it is N3, and they have another shot to criticize someone. seeing how many people didnt think they would do it the first time, would it not be an interesting ploy to criticize one of their own again as a means of buying trust?

half of us didnt think they would waste it once...how many of us wont think they will waste it twice?

again, not saying i am even sold on my own idea, but it is food for thought.

Originally Posted by saldana

lets look at what he actually did.

he shot a vote out at 20 minutes into the day and used a very nebulous defense about why. he could easily have been taking advantage of the "no information about your role" mechanic as a means of a cover.

he backpedaled away from his own vote the entire day, saying he would like the other vote for EF better...i wish i had more time to go back and check the timings of his various statements...was he covering his tail by agreeing with the EF votes after they already started to gain some momentum?

he claims that the outcome of the day was advantagous to not only him, but the village as a whole, but we have yet to see anything to validate that point

on day 2, i said i detected the manipulations of a very good wolf...my initial thoughts were it was Hoops (which it still may be), but my short list included Lathum, Barkeep, and Poli. of those, barkeep is obviously out, but I think you will agree that this strategy is well within Lathums vaunted wolfy skillset.

as to why would he be so daring on day 2...he knows he needs to make a move to get in the COT early...he will get heat for being alive too long (which has now started)...he needed to make a play fast in order to give himself cover when that heat starts to come down

Originally Posted by saldana

also, look at the payoff if it worked...PB would be dead, EF would be semi-trusted because he had been criticized, and Lathum would have been able to plead some cock'n bull story about having to vote that way because of his role, which would have been completely impossible to confirm. (which is actually what he is doing right now)

Originally Posted by saldana

there is a cunning wolf in this game, isnt there?

you know damn well your mere existence invites a seer scan! (look, and exclamation point )

Originally Posted by saldana

and you had been preparing your defense for PB's death the entire day...you could easily have gotten out of it, and dont pretend you dont think you couldnt...you have gotten out of way worse.

Originally Posted by saldana

but getting scanned by the seer doesnt do you any good against the lynch unless the seer comes to your defense!

a public display that gets you on the trust lists is 10 times better than a seer scan because it is just that. Public.

Originally Posted by saldana

has anyone voted for you on day 3 or 4 (yet)

Originally Posted by saldana

exaggerate much...i was in the thread for an hour during my lunch, and popped back for 10 minutes...you have a strange definition of all day

go "lathum" all over someone else, because your crap really isnt going to work the same way on me

looks like alot of posts directed at me IMO

[claphamsa]

ive been coming up with awesome coments to the lathum saldana thing allll day, but I just cant bring myself to say any of them. i mean lathums a dick, but i kinda like him.....

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

ive been coming up with awesome coments to the lathum saldana thing allll day, but I just cant bring myself to say any of them. i mean lathums a dick, but i kinda like him.....

I resent that comment.

Anyone who has meet me will tell you I am a helluva nice guy.

[Danny]

I think Clap confused the word is and has

[Passacaglia]

or wants? zing!!

[Autumn]

I really, really don't like the pile-on on Lerriuqs. I don't think all three of my suspects are a wolf, and the fact taht everyone is glad to vote him makes me think I have the wrong one. Those of us who are working from a similar suspect list, I say we switch to Telle instead.

UNVOTE LERRIUQS
VOTE TELLE

A runaway when we have still 4-5 wolves in this size group makes me very worried.

[Chief Rum]

I toss this out fully acknowledging that I have not read anything but the last few posts. I just don't have time right now, in between jobs. So take it for what it's worth.

All that said, lerriuqs, the apparent favorite, was never high on my wolf list.

My distrust circle runs as saldana, Telle, The Jackal and claphamsa.

If a seer came out and cleared any of them, I apologize because I don't have the time to go looking right now.

So since lerriuqs is not on my list and I don't know the real reason for him being the target today, I am going to throw a vote at one of my suspects instead (and if that hangs me later, so be it).

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

I might have stuck with saldana, my Friday favorite, but I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, as I don't know that he would fight Lathum so hard if he were a wolf.

Clap's my choice because of his voting record on votes we know about (Days One and Two).

Rest assured, if it was not a runaway, my vote would be on one of the top candidates. I don't really see the need to go with that today, as it seems unlikely to be needed.

[Autumn]

Chief, if Telle is really one of your top suspects I'd rather you concentrate on her. We could make her a contender in the time left, i think, based on the amount of people with her on the suspect list.

I'd much prefer a Telle Lerriuqs run off, I think this could show us something.

[DaddyTorgo]

yeah - the runaway makes me think we have the wrong person in lerriuqs honestly...hmmm

[lerriuqs]

Just let me die in peace guys...

[DaddyTorgo]

in the hopes that that runoff would tell us something

VOTE TELLE

[Autumn]

Also a possibility, in this game, that Lerriuqs role somehow requires or encourages this martyr act. Something to keep in mind.

[Lathum]

If I had a vote today it would be for Saldana. His poor vote record and the way he is trying to set me up as a lynch candidate down the road scream wolf to me.

[Danny]

Votes as of post #2282

3 - Telle - Poli (1981), Autumn (2275), DaddyTorgo (2280)
6 - Lerriuqs - hoopsguy (2057), saldana (2160), Abe (2189), The Jackal (2228), Martin D (2238), Lerriuqs (2248)
1 - Passacaglia - claphamsa (2087)
2 - hoopsguy - dubb (2184), Passacaglia (2190)
1 - Claphamsa - Chief Rum (2276)

Yet to Vote - PackerFanatic and Telle

[Autumn]

Those of you on non-contenders, now would be a good time to pony up.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Also a possibility, in this game, that Lerriuqs role somehow requires or encourages this martyr act. Something to keep in mind.

Hmm...

[PackerFanatic]

VOTE TELLE

I really can't see anything that indites Lerriuqs, and Telle has been most suspicious recently.

[Autumn]

Let me take a guess...

The Martyr

Your low self-esteem makes you think that you are a better lynch candidate than anyone. If you are the lead vote getter you are required to vote for yourself. Better you than them.

Man, I could write this game.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Let me take a guess...

The Martyr

Your low self-esteem makes you think that you are a better lynch candidate than anyone. If you are the lead vote getter you are required to vote for yourself. Better you than them.

Man, I could write this game.

I wouldn't be able to tell you if you were right...

[Autumn]

And I'd probably get in trouble for revealing your role if I made one up too close to yours ;-)

FWIW, I don't necessarily believe Lerriuqs here, but I'm guessing Telle's a better target given the lack of controversy over Lerriuq votes.

I've got to get the kids to bed.

[hoopsguy]

Well, we've already had a shy guy so that isn't your role Seriously, Lerriuqs, make a case for someone. If nothing else, it helps build character for next game.

And, in case you were paying attention, the vote is pretty close right about now.

[hoopsguy]

Tell you what, I'll make it even more interesting.

UNVOTE LERRIUQS
VOTE CLAP

[Danny]

Votes as of post #2291

4 - Telle - Poli (1981), Autumn (2275), DaddyTorgo (2280), PackerFanatic (2286)
5 - Lerriuqs - saldana (2160), Abe (2189), The Jackal (2228), Martin D (2238), Lerriuqs (2248)
1 - Passacaglia - claphamsa (2087)
2 - hoopsguy - dubb (2184), Passacaglia (2190)
2 - Claphamsa - Chief Rum (2276), Hoopaguy (2291)

Yet to Vote - Telle

[hoopsguy]

Votes as of Post #2291:

4 Telle - Poli (1981), Autumn (2275), MT (2280), PF (2286)
5 Lerriuqs - Saldana (2160), Abe (2189), Jackal (2229), MartinD (2238), Lerri (2248)
1 Pass - Clap (2087)
2 Hoops - Dubb (2184), Pass (2190)
2 Clap - Chief (2276), Hoops (2291)

No votes - Telle

1981 - Poli votes Telle 1-0
2021 - Autumn votes Lerriuqs 1-1 Telle/Lerri
2036 - MT votes Hoops 1-1-1 Telle/Lerri/Hoops
2051 - MT unvotes Hoops 1-1 Telle/Lerri
2057 - Hoops votes Lerri 2-1 Lerri over Telle
2087 - Clap votes Pass 2-1-1 Lerri over Telle/Pass
2160 - Saldana votes Lerri 3-1-1 Lerri over Telle/Pass
2184 - Dubb votes Hoops 3-1-1-1 Lerri over Telle/Pass/Hoops
2189 - Abe votes Lerri 4-1-1-1 Lerri over Telle/Pass/Hoops
2190 - Pass votes Hoops 4-2-1-1 Lerri over Hoops over Telle/Pass
2228 - Lerri votes Hoops 4-3-1-1 Lerri over Hoops over Telle/Pass
2229 - Jackal votes Lerri 5-3-1-1 Lerri over Hoops over Telle/Pass
2238 - MartinD votes Lerri 6-3-1-1- Lerri over Hoops over Telle/Pass
2248 - Lerri unvotes Hoops, votes Lerri 7-2-1-1 Lerri over Hoops over Telle/Pass
2275 - Autumn unvotes Lerri, votes Telle 6-2-2-1 Lerri over Hoops/Telle over Pass
2276 - Chief votes Clap 6-2-2-1-1 Lerri over Hoops/Telle over Pass/Clap
2280 - MT votes Telle 6-3-2-1-1 Lerri over Telle over Hoops over Pass/Clap
2286 - PF votes Telle 6-4-2-1-1 Lerri over Telle over Hoops over Pass/Clap
2291 - Hoops unvotes Lerri, votes Clap 5-4-2-2-1 Lerri over Telle over Hoops/Clap over Pass

[dubb93]

Unvote Hoops
Vote Telle

I'll make it really interesting.

[hoopsguy]

Warning to Lerriuqs - I'm not necessarily leaving my vote there, but I'll at least give you a chance to start either building a case for yourself or against someone else.

I've maintained for awhile - based solely on gut, not inside information, that I do not think that Telle represented the best choice despite her voting record. That is almost exclusively off Day 1 and nothing since that time. So I'm willing to move the vote to try and create another alternate to Lerriuqs but I'm not all fired up about it being Telle.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmm - i'll be around till deadline but then right after deadline it's back to computer stuff and i'm not sure how long i'll be gone

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Warning to Lerriuqs - I'm not necessarily leaving my vote there, but I'll at least give you a chance to start either building a case for yourself or against someone else.

I've maintained for awhile - based solely on gut, not inside information, that I do not think that Telle represented the best choice despite her voting record. That is almost exclusively off Day 1 and nothing since that time. So I'm willing to move the vote to try and create another alternate to Lerriuqs but I'm not all fired up about it being Telle.

Well I have no case to build for myself other than what I've already posted in this thread.

As for anyone else. If I live through the day, I'll look to build a case. But I'm ok with whatever happens. I won't be building a case on anyone today and I won't say why.

[Telle]

Wow, nice deadline run on me.

VOTE LERRIUQS

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

VOTE TELLE

I really can't see anything that indites Lerriuqs, and Telle has been most suspicious recently.

How so?

[Danny]

10 minutes until deadline