Werewolf XXIII - Lost - Game Over! Survivors win!

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Are you saying that you have in-game knowledge of 2 sections of the plane? That could be important. Or were you just including some of your knowledge from the show?

There has been nothing that I have seen to suggest that there are 2 sections in this game (not saying it's not true, just wondering how this might all fit in-game).

This caught my eye as well. More detail would be nice.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

What's the earliest a wolf has been killed? I am hoping we're able to get rid of one today.

2 games ago it was day 1 and day 2 (me) then the wolves (dubb) went on to blow smoke up everyone's butt and won the game.

[Celeval]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

What's the earliest a wolf has been killed? I am hoping we're able to get rid of one today.

Didn't Harry Potter nail one in the first vote?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Blade has 26% of the posts in this thread. Sheesh!

First of all, that prob. is a bit low for me ...second, how did you figure that one out?

[Celeval]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Are you saying that you have in-game knowledge of 2 sections of the plane? That could be important. Or were you just including some of your knowledge from the show?

There has been nothing that I have seen to suggest that there are 2 sections in this game (not saying it's not true, just wondering how this might all fit in-game).

Show knowledge. But at the same time, there was an awful lot of distrust between the two sections.. second season specifically, since first season we only knew about the first (although there were hints).

If we're willing to work under the assumption that every survivor has an associated "name" character (whether they know it or not), I think it's reasonable to assume that there might be names from both sides of the island. It could be that the PMs were worded in such a way to create that distinction. Or, I could be overthinking it.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

First of all, that prob. is a bit low for me ...second, how did you figure that one out?

From the main forum index, you can click on the number of replies and it opens a window that shows how many posts have been made by those who have posted.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Celeval

Show knowledge. But at the same time, there was an awful lot of distrust between the two sections.. second season specifically, since first season we only knew about the first (although there were hints).

If we're willing to work under the assumption that every survivor has an associated "name" character (whether they know it or not), I think it's reasonable to assume that there might be names from both sides of the island. It could be that the PMs were worded in such a way to create that distinction. Or, I could be overthinking it.

I mentioned earlier their might be two camps...its possible, but since i didnt get a normal PM i can really dissect it. And since no one seems comfortable posting it yet i can really help in that department. I can only go on wondering how some of my most suspicious people are suddenly forming an alliance

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Celeval

Show knowledge. But at the same time, there was an awful lot of distrust between the two sections.. second season specifically, since first season we only knew about the first (although there were hints).

If we're willing to work under the assumption that every survivor has an associated "name" character (whether they know it or not), I think it's reasonable to assume that there might be names from both sides of the island. It could be that the PMs were worded in such a way to create that distinction. Or, I could be overthinking it.

I see what you're saying.

[Celeval]

Originally Posted by saldana

i would prefer not to explain in depth, but his behavior bothers me significantly enough for me to believe he is an other.

Neat. What about my behavior, out of curiosity?

[Celeval]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I see what you're saying.

With that in mind - does my vote make sense? I figured it was really the best way to throw you off while gameplanning for tonight's matchup.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I mentioned earlier their might be two camps...its possible, but since i didnt get a normal PM i can really dissect it. And since no one seems comfortable posting it yet i can really help in that department.

Just want to point out for the newbies that you cannot share your PMs word for word. You can post hints, etc, but even that can be somewhat frowned upon if taken to the extreme.

Wanted to make sure this bit wasn't mis-interpreted to be a suggestion to post the PMs.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Celeval

Neat. What about my behavior, out of curiosity?

Id imagine your vote for the untouchable trio of love had something to do with it

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Celeval

With that in mind - does my vote make sense? I figured it was really the best way to throw you off while gameplanning for tonight's matchup.

Hehe. That didn't occur to me until now.



(To let everyone else in on what we're talking about - Celeval and I are matched up against each other in IHOF tonight - and he's going down!!!).

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Id imagine your vote for the untouchable trio of love had something to do with it

KWhit, me and ???

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Just want to point out for the newbies that you cannot share your PMs word for word. You can post hints, etc, but even that can be somewhat frowned upon if taken to the extreme.

Wanted to make sure this bit wasn't mis-interpreted to be a suggestion to post the PMs.

echo that, dont post PMs...i was just commenting on everyones wishes to hold back on revealing roles, and while i agree with it on day 2, in the next few days people are going to have to start playing their hands

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

KWhit, me and ???

hoops...you vouched for him and he vouched for kwhit

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Hehe. That didn't occur to me until now.



(To let everyone else in on what we're talking about - Celeval and I are matched up against each other in IHOF tonight - and he's going down!!!).

I hope that's all it is about.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I can only go on wondering how some of my most suspicious people are suddenly forming an alliance

And why are we suspicious? In fact, you have posted multiple times that you think I'm a survivor.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

hoops...you vouched for him and he vouched for kwhit

Yeah, that's right. I think the three of us have seen all of the same signs.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by KWhit

And why are we suspicious? In fact, you have posted multiple times that you think I'm a survivor.

I know I am inexperienced, but you guys can't really think I would give up my 'other'hood this early if I was one, do you?

I am being this open about it because there is a strong indication that they are the same as me and we're good guys. If I were a bad guy, I wouldn't be so open about you I trust and don't trust.

You guys will see how simple it is when you find out.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by KWhit

And why are we suspicious? In fact, you have posted multiple times that you think I'm a survivor.

Your not to me, which is why i havent acted against this group...hoops for being the vote that lynched mr. w, spleen(as much as i respect the work he did) accused me and i know im a good guy...so any person i see accusing a known good guy i must be suspicious of...so 2/3 aint bad if you ask me...odds game, nothing too heavy other then hoops, usually the sharpest player "missing" mr. w's hints and lynching him

[Celeval]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Another tidbit for you...you were a very late swap(post deadline) for the assasin. King was as good as dead up until like an hour AFTER the deadline when the assasin got cold feet. If he had gone king, king WOULD have died. For better or worse, i cant say.

Assuming Blade's info is true, does this imply the assassin was a villager? If it was an Other, why cold feet to change targets?

[spleen1015]

Dola,

If I were a bad guy, I wouldn't be so opne about who I trust and don't trust.

Since I can't edit, that is the last sentence of my 2nd paragraph above.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

If I were a bad guy, I wouldn't be so open about you I trust and don't trust.

If your a bad guy, you know just who to say you trust...if i was bad, i could easily pick 5 villagers a say that is my trust group...not too hard...i agree you prob. all have something from your PM, but i dont like that one point

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Dola,

If I were a bad guy, I wouldn't be so opne about who I trust and don't trust.

Since I can't edit, that is the last sentence of my 2nd paragraph above.

I just commented on that above...i disagree totally with this point

[SnDvls]

Re: Blade’s reveal – Don’t quite know what to make of it really. Not an avenue I was going when I was thinking of doing the game, but if true an interesting one by AE. I still feel that he’s hiding something from us (I don’t think I want to know what it is yet either) and fibbing a little (great move for a survivor to ensure they last especially if it takes out 2 others). I’d same I’m over the 65% mark on him being good.

Spleen – I think you are blowing the word others up a bit re: Blade using it.

Pennywise – listen freckles, I still don’t like your lack of defense especially with the numbers mounting up against you. I said you were my vote yesterday and right now bandwagon or not your going to get it.

There are too many quiet players and they are all my #2’s right now.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Celeval

Assuming Blade's info is true, does this imply the assassin was a villager? If it was an Other, why cold feet to change targets?

The assasin i speak of is not an other, no

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Your not to me, which is why i havent acted against this group...hoops for being the vote that lynched mr. w, spleen(as much as i respect the work he did) accused me and i know im a good guy...so any person i see accusing a known good guy i must be suspicious of...so 2/3 aint bad if you ask me...odds game, nothing too heavy other then hoops, usually the sharpest player "missing" mr. w's hints and lynching him

For the record, I am very close to believing you're a good guy given all that you have revealed today.

You are no longer one my suspect list.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

For the record, I am very close to believing you're a good guy given all that you have revealed today.

You are no longer one my suspect list.

But forcing me to show my hand still counts...wolfs accuse vets and either get them dead or role revealed...just saying, while i tend to think your good if kwhit sees something, it could be construed a certain way

[spleen1015]

Since Mr. W and Gramm are dead, they are no longer allowed to participate in the thread, correct?

When you're dead, are you no longer allowed to read the thread? I assume you can't take part in anything anymore, but I just want to make sure I know what's going on before I'm gone.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Celeval

Assuming Blade's info is true, does this imply the assassin was a villager? If it was an Other, why cold feet to change targets?

I told you, i have/had no knowledge of the others or their actions...that was a human assasination attempt on night one that failed for reasons i feel i know. Its a major reason mckerney doesnt have a vote from me right now.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Since Mr. W and Gramm are dead, they are no longer allowed to participate in the thread, correct?

When you're dead, are you no longer allowed to read the thread? I assume you can't take part in anything anymore, but I just want to make sure I know what's going on before I'm gone.

That is correct.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Since Mr. W and Gramm are dead, they are no longer allowed to participate in the thread, correct?

When you're dead, are you no longer allowed to read the thread? I assume you can't take part in anything anymore, but I just want to make sure I know what's going on before I'm gone.

They can read all they want...while dead they cant comment on the game that effects anything...making posts like laughing at the villagers after killing 9 villagers in a row is ok i think( )

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

But forcing me to show my hand still counts...wolfs accuse vets and either get them dead or role revealed...just saying, while i tend to think your good if kwhit sees something, it could be construed a certain way

Knowing now, I wish I hadn't pursued things the way I did. I saw something that I thought was useful. It meant nothing, but it would have been awesome if it had.

I'm confident that you and I are fighting for the same side.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I told you, i have/had no knowledge of the others or their actions...that was a human assasination attempt on night one that failed for reasons i feel i know. Its a major reason mckerney doesnt have a vote from me right now.

I'm not asking for anything that would reveal too much for the wolves, so if providing your thoughts about mckerney would do that, its ok to hold back. If you don't think it would give them too much information, I would be curious to your thoughts here. Right now Mckerney has seemed the fishiest to me, and has my vote. While hoops's day 1 action was probably worse, I feel to some extent, Hoops has redeemed himself with some of his insight and thoughts, and his conversations so far in day 2 have me feeling that he is on our side. I might be fooled but thats where I am leaning. Right now i haven't seen much from Mckerney that helps me feel I shouldn't vote for him.

If you have some good reasons i would be interested in them. Right now this feels like day 1 vote all over again to me, where I don't have alot to go on and I honestly feel right now the bandwagon on Penny is wrong. (or if right, just lucky and based on hunches)

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Since Mr. W and Gramm are dead, they are no longer allowed to participate in the thread, correct?

When you're dead, are you no longer allowed to read the thread? I assume you can't take part in anything anymore, but I just want to make sure I know what's going on before I'm gone.

You can read the thread once you're dead, just don't make comments about the game.

[spleen1015]

This thing is too good to be away for the last 5 hours of the day. I don't like having to decide my vote that far in advance.

Damn 2nd jobs!

I'm enjoying this greatly. Yesterday, I wasn't all that confident about playing and was thinking this would be my only WW game. Today, I'm looking forward to playing more in the future. Thanks for makeing it fun, fellas!

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I'm not asking for anything that would reveal too much for the wolves, so if providing your thoughts about mckerney would do that, its ok to hold back. If you don't think it would give them too much information, I would be curious to your thoughts here. Right now Mckerney has seemed the fishiest to me, and has my vote. While hoops's day 1 action was probably worse, I feel to some extent, Hoops has redeemed himself with some of his insight and thoughts, and his conversations so far in day 2 have me feeling that he is on our side. I might be fooled but thats where I am leaning. Right now i haven't seen much from Mckerney that helps me feel I shouldn't vote for him.

If you have some good reasons i would be interested in them. Right now this feels like day 1 vote all over again to me, where I don't have alot to go on and I honestly feel right now the bandwagon on Penny is wrong. (or if right, just lucky and based on hunches)

I cant really tell you my reasons for mckerney, other then i think he has a certain villager role(one other person should know what im talking about cough cough hoops)...as for hoops, let him go today...ive got my eye on him and i want to see what he does tomorrow

As for mckerney, let me ask you this...do you think a wolf voted for king, yes or no?

[Blade6119]

dola, that should read as for pennywise*

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

As for mckerney, let me ask you this...do you think a wolf voted for king, yes or no?

How would you be able to know this? Hunch?

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Since Mr. W and Gramm are dead, they are no longer allowed to participate in the thread, correct?

When you're dead, are you no longer allowed to read the thread? I assume you can't take part in anything anymore, but I just want to make sure I know what's going on before I'm gone.

You can read it if you want.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

How would you be able to know this? Hunch?

Im asking alan if he thinks a wolf voted for king on day 1...its about the penny vote...id like him to answer and i cant reason why yet

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I cant really tell you my reasons for mckerney, other then i think he has a certain villager role(one other person should know what im talking about cough cough hoops)...as for hoops, let him go today...ive got my eye on him and i want to see what he does tomorrow

As for mckerney, let me ask you this...do you think a wolf voted for king, yes or no?

I do think that there is a good chance that one of the votes on King is a wolf yes. That group I had you, Raiders, Penny and Hoops (until the flipflop) +Mr. W who is dead.

Obviously Mr.W doesnt count, so that left 4 of you. Im not saying that Penny isn't a wolf, but it seemed less likely to me that he was the wolf placing the tying vote there to possibly save Mr. W than some of the others in that list. Plus people keep saying he hasnt been defending himself, but I think he has. He gave his reason for a vote (which is as good of a reason as you could have on Day 1 I think), and he has gone into more detail in responses about it. I think any more protesting either lead to him looking more wolfish, or having to do either a real or fake (if he is indeed a wolf) role reveal.

I guess I don't understand if everyone seems to be going down the penny road of thought, why some of the rest of that group come off scott free right now. Its almost like Raiders is quietly sliding back into the shadows here and letting people run with it.

[pennywisesb]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

Pennywise – listen freckles, I still don’t like your lack of defense especially with the numbers mounting up against you. I said you were my vote yesterday and right now bandwagon or not your going to get it.

What else do you want me to say SnDvls? I tried to preserve Mr. W by voting for the other person in their two person runoff. I essentially tied the vote at 5 apiece until other players changed their minds or cast late votes. Its day 2, I don't really have a lot of evidence to throw out there since one vote doesn't really show a voting record.

I'm curious as to why you are voting for me so easily? Is it because you want to align yourself with Blade? Because the "evidence" against me is so flimsly its not even funny. If you guys say its because I'm somewhat quiet, I'd say don't be ridiculous because there are other players involved in this game who are a hell of alot more quiet than I am.

All I know is that my PM said something along the line of me being a simple survivor with not special role to note. I'm trying to figure out how Blade has manipulated so many into believing I'm bad when my actions show a survivor's mentality.

[KWhit]

Interesting. I'm starting to believe that penny is a good guy.

[Swaggs]

Wow. This caught up with this thread.

These games have evolved a ton since I last played. It used to be so simple to pick out the wolves, but everyone seems so experienced now.

I feel like there are a couple of people I can completely trust at this point, so I will follow along and see what they are thinking for now.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I do think that there is a good chance that one of the votes on King is a wolf yes. That group I had you, Raiders, Penny and Hoops (until the flipflop) +Mr. W who is dead.

Obviously Mr.W doesnt count, so that left 4 of you. Im not saying that Penny isn't a wolf, but it seemed less likely to me that he was the wolf placing the tying vote there to possibly save Mr. W than some of the others in that list. Plus people keep saying he hasnt been defending himself, but I think he has. He gave his reason for a vote (which is as good of a reason as you could have on Day 1 I think), and he has gone into more detail in responses about it. I think any more protesting either lead to him looking more wolfish, or having to do either a real or fake (if he is indeed a wolf) role reveal.

I guess I don't understand if everyone seems to be going down the penny road of thought, why some of the rest of that group come off scott free right now. Its almost like Raiders is quietly sliding back into the shadows here and letting people run with it.

If you believe a wolf voted king, you have 3 options(not counting myself)...hoops(who is being vouched for by kwhit and spleen), raiders, and penny...trust me when i say raiders is being watched as well. One big x-factor is if king is good or bad...if king is good too it doesnt matter at all if someone voted king or mr. r, who was tied or not, but more just how wolves were spread out. Everyone has reasons for voting a certain way. Do i know penny is bad, no...but im betting he has a far better chance of being bad then raiders at this point in time. I cant give you reasons you want, just a hunch. But im betting king is a villager and there for penny's vote really didnt matter much if he is good or bad...

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Interesting. I'm starting to believe that penny is a good guy.

Yikes! I'm with you.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I guess I don't understand if everyone seems to be going down the penny road of thought, why some of the rest of that group come off scott free right now. Its almost like Raiders is quietly sliding back into the shadows here and letting people run with it.

I agree. Raiders is a hude suspect in my mind right now.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

If you believe a wolf voted king, you have 3 options(not counting myself)...hoops(who is being vouched for by kwhit and spleen), raiders, and penny...trust me when i say raiders is being watched as well. One big x-factor is if king is good or bad...if king is good too it doesnt matter at all if someone voted king or mr. r, who was tied or not, but more just how wolves were spread out. Everyone has reasons for voting a certain way. Do i know penny is bad, no...but im betting he has a far better chance of being bad then raiders at this point in time. I cant give you reasons you want, just a hunch. But im betting king is a villager and there for penny's vote really didnt matter much if he is good or bad...

Well I can't really argue against hunches, thats all I have to go on right now too. I don't think I am as alarmed that you are voting for penny as I am at how many people just hop along with less reasoning than you to do the same. I think you have pretty much defended your vote even if at this time I might disagree with it to some extent, I respect that. Its getting too easy though if a run away bandwagon forms that everyone is just hopping on the penny train without much in the way of reasons. I just dont want to be stuck at day 3 in the same spot as I am here without much to go on.