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Old 08-01-2018, 03:12 PM   #1
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2018 College Football Thread

I guess its time for a new one.


Lets start with coaching hot seat talk.




Any chance Urban Meyer goes down for this:
https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/s...61186976141312


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Old 08-01-2018, 03:36 PM   #2
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Unconfirmed twitter reports that something may happen. In this day and age, Title IX is not something to mess with. Even brought down some pretty big names in the softball world at Auburn (which also played a part in Jay Jacobs resignation).
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Old 08-01-2018, 04:16 PM   #3
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Given the cover up allegations at Florida, and the current climate regarding domestic abuse, I think this has the potential to explode spectacularly...
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Old 08-01-2018, 05:02 PM   #4
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Ohio State also has the men wrestling team sex abuse scandal right now, too.
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Old 08-01-2018, 05:11 PM   #5
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He's been put on administrative leave pending an investigation. Smells like a potential Pitino separation coming soon...
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Old 08-01-2018, 05:12 PM   #6
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It's funny how hating on Urban Meyer is one of the few things that brings UF and FSU fans together.
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Old 08-01-2018, 05:13 PM   #7
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Old 08-01-2018, 05:26 PM   #8
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Let that be a lesson to college coaches everywhere, don't get caught covering up for your WR coach. Maybe a co-ordinator, but a WR coach just isn't worth the trouble.

Based on the texts he's gone. Or at least he's going to have to come out and call the significant others of a number of his fellow/former coaches flat out liars.
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Old 08-01-2018, 06:54 PM   #9
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Old 08-02-2018, 07:40 AM   #10
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I have this OSU fan friend from my high school days in Ohio who mocks UM and Jim Harbaugh like it is his job. Guess who had to step away from social media today as soon as the news struck?

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Old 08-02-2018, 07:51 AM   #11
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Old 08-02-2018, 07:52 AM   #12
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Figured Urban's tenure would flame out spectacularly. Here we are, probably a little earlier than I expected.
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Old 08-02-2018, 07:57 AM   #13
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It's such a cynical world.

Schadenfreude.
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Old 08-02-2018, 09:25 AM   #14
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Burn down B1G athletics.

I'm a Big Ten fan, but the Big Ten has covered itself in shame over the past decade. The whole prioritizing winning over basic human decency has to end.

1. Penn State - allowed a pedophile to go unchecked for 15 years in the football program
2. Michigan State - allowed a molester to run free in the athletics department over a 20 year period
3. Michigan State - tried to cover up sexual assaults perpetrated by members of both the football and basketball teams
4. Ohio State - allowed a molester to violate up to 2,500 student athletes over a period of years
5. Ohio State - allowed a chronic wife beater to remain as an assistant coach on the football team
6. Minnesota - multiple football players accused of sexual assault

This is shameful. I love college sports, but the win at all costs mentality has to stop. Coaches, administrators, and players need to be held accountable.
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Old 08-02-2018, 10:15 AM   #15
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Um...Dafuq?


James O'Keefe on Twitter: "We are hours from publishing undercover video exposing now-embattled Buckeye coach Urban Meyer's long history of abuse. Here's a sneak peek.… https://t.co/nI01WHfuOQ"




Looks like today will be a popcorn day

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Old 08-02-2018, 10:28 AM   #16
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Well, that escalated quickly.

Although, it sounds like this was something already in the hopper, and now that McMurphy beat them to the punch (no pun intended), they are having to move their story up., This is yet another one of those "we have explosive information but we're going to hold it until it will gather us the most clicks"-type of stories that I just don't understand. I mean, I get it from a marketing/financial aspect, but journalism shouldn't totally be about withholding information about things like abuse because you want to time it around the beginning of college football season to maximize your financial gain.
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Old 08-02-2018, 12:45 PM   #17
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Old 08-02-2018, 02:31 PM   #18
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I'm a Big Ten fan, but the Big Ten has covered itself in shame over the past decade. The whole prioritizing winning over basic human decency has to end.

1. Penn State - allowed a pedophile to go unchecked for 15 years in the football program
2. Michigan State - allowed a molester to run free in the athletics department over a 20 year period
3. Michigan State - tried to cover up sexual assaults perpetrated by members of both the football and basketball teams
4. Ohio State - allowed a molester to violate up to 2,500 student athletes over a period of years
5. Ohio State - allowed a chronic wife beater to remain as an assistant coach on the football team
6. Minnesota - multiple football players accused of sexual assault

This is shameful. I love college sports, but the win at all costs mentality has to stop. Coaches, administrators, and players need to be held accountable.

As an Arkansas fan, it puts the Petrino adultery and giving a job to his mistress in perspective.

Say what you will about Petrino but that guy could coach college ball and he made due with bottom of SEC talent. Most fun I had with Razorback football during the Petrino years.


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Old 08-02-2018, 02:47 PM   #19
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As an Arkansas fan, it puts the Petrino adultery and giving a job to his mistress in perspective.

Say what you will about Petrino but that guy could coach college ball and he made due with bottom of SEC talent. Most fun I had with Razorback football during the Petrino years.

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Old 08-02-2018, 03:20 PM   #20
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I sure hope so.
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Old 08-02-2018, 03:55 PM   #21
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Maybe I'm wrong, but this O'Keefe stuff seems really minor to me. Over promising in recruiting? Using recruit dreams as motivation in practice?
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Old 08-02-2018, 04:19 PM   #22
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Maybe I'm wrong, but this O'Keefe stuff seems really minor to me. Over promising in recruiting? Using recruit dreams as motivation in practice?




Yeah that was a big 'Who cares?' to me as well.


Maybe some of the injury ignoring raises a flag. But not necessarily grossly so.
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Old 08-02-2018, 05:23 PM   #23
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Maybe I'm wrong, but this O'Keefe stuff seems really minor to me. Over promising in recruiting? Using recruit dreams as motivation in practice?
It's James O'Keefe, so it can be dismissed out of hand.
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Old 08-02-2018, 07:07 PM   #24
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Old 08-02-2018, 08:26 PM   #25
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UW just had their best incoming freshmen , ILB Brandon Kahlo, ask for his release.
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Old 08-02-2018, 11:06 PM   #26
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UW just had their best incoming freshmen , ILB Brandon Kahlo, ask for his release.
This one is a weird situation. His aunt and uncle died unexpectedly earlier this summer and his parents are getting a divorce, so it sounds like the kid is really not in a great mindset right now.

There's also talk that Kaho doesn't actually want out from his LOI, but it's his dad pushing him. The same dad that really wanted him to go to Alabama. A dad that may be looking at some financial difficulties with a divorce coming.

Also, with guys like Marquis Spiker, Tuli Letuligasenoa, Colson Yankoff, Jacob Sirmon and Julius Irvin in this recruiting class it's not clear-cut that Ale Kaho was the best of the bunch.
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This one is a weird situation. His aunt and uncle died unexpectedly earlier this summer and his parents are getting a divorce, so it sounds like the kid is really not in a great mindset right now.

There's also talk that Kaho doesn't actually want out from his LOI, but it's his dad pushing him. The same dad that really wanted him to go to Alabama. A dad that may be looking at some financial difficulties with a divorce coming.

Also, with guys like Marquis Spiker, Tuli Letuligasenoa, Colson Yankoff, Jacob Sirmon and Julius Irvin in this recruiting class it's not clear-cut that Ale Kaho was the best of the bunch.

Yeah there is a lot of talk about this on the BYU message board, with many hoping it brings him back to BYU where he originally committed. How about just let the kid get his thoughts together? It has been a rough summer, wishing him the best.
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Old 08-03-2018, 07:31 PM   #28
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So Meyer has admitted he knew about the 2015 incident, which contradicts what he said at Big 10 media days. I don't see how he keeps his job know unless it comes out he did elevate the complaint up the food chain, which he also insinuates in his written statement.
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Old 08-04-2018, 08:59 AM   #29
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So Meyer has admitted he knew about the 2015 incident, which contradicts what he said at Big 10 media days. I don't see how he keeps his job know unless it comes out he did elevate the complaint up the food chain, which he also insinuates in his written statement.




I am no lawyer, but here is what I am seeing. Urban admits to knowing but says he reported it. That is going to take this out of a "fire for cause" situation. Lying to a reporter is not a fire for cause (ie. fire without pay) situation. If OSU can't fire him without having to pay him $39 million, they are not going to fire him. My guess is the will bring him back and weather the pr storm. The team will have a good year and all will be water under the bridge in a few years.
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Old 08-04-2018, 09:21 AM   #30
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I am no lawyer, but here is what I am seeing. Urban admits to knowing but says he reported it. That is going to take this out of a "fire for cause" situation. Lying to a reporter is not a fire for cause (ie. fire without pay) situation. If OSU can't fire him without having to pay him $39 million, they are not going to fire him. My guess is the will bring him back and weather the pr storm. The team will have a good year and all will be water under the bridge in a few years.

I am seeing the same angle. The wild card here is the other issues OSU is dealing with now though. It will be quite a storm to weather if they do. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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Old 08-04-2018, 09:50 AM   #31
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Old 08-05-2018, 11:59 AM   #33
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(1) Big time college sports are dirty.

(2) If your team wins a lot, it is almost certainly very dirty.

(3) If your team loses a lot, it is probably still very dirty.

(4) Maybe not the service academies?

(5) Otherwise, just be at peace with it and hope your guys aren't the ones who get caught. Or decide not to care.
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Old 08-06-2018, 06:54 AM   #34
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I am no lawyer, but here is what I am seeing. Urban admits to knowing but says he reported it. That is going to take this out of a "fire for cause" situation. Lying to a reporter is not a fire for cause (ie. fire without pay) situation. If OSU can't fire him without having to pay him $39 million, they are not going to fire him. My guess is the will bring him back and weather the pr storm. The team will have a good year and all will be water under the bridge in a few years.

Yup. Just came out and said they will complete the investigation in "14 days". Maybe that's long enough for this to die down? Maybe Urbs will want to "retire for health reasons" by the end of it.

Kinda figure out they are taking the 14 days to investigate not only this but to see if there are any other publicly exposable skeletons in the closet that could make this worse. If not, he comes back. If so, they hang him out to dry.
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Old 08-06-2018, 09:08 AM   #35
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Interviews with former players at UF that were filmed without the players' knowledge.

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Old 08-06-2018, 10:47 AM   #36
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Some of those interviews looked sketchy, but some look like they were in front of a microphone of some sort.
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Iowa State coach Matt Campbell is the front runner for tOSU.

Im torn. Campbell is a fantastic coach. I hate to see him at Iowa State. And it would be a bummer if he went to tOSU.
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I think that type of stuff goes on at most universities. Shoot, watch Last Chance U on netflix. That coach at the Kansas CC verbally abuses his players all day long.
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That video is from James O'Keefe, so odds are high there is some very heavy selective editing involved.
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Washington grants Ale Kaho his release. We'll see what the Kaho family means when they say he wanted to be "closer to his family". Will he enroll at BYU? Or does his dad have a new job lined up in Alabama or Oregon?
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Washington grants Ale Kaho his release. We'll see what the Kaho family means when they say he wanted to be "closer to his family". Will he enroll at BYU? Or does his dad have a new job lined up in Alabama or Oregon?

Both schools have reached out, along with USC, FSU and others. I would love to get him at BYU, which would put him close to his family, but not holding my breath. Could hinge on how the BYU O looks this year after the complete dumpster fire we saw last year.
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Both schools have reached out, along with USC, FSU and others. I would love to get him at BYU, which would put him close to his family, but not holding my breath. Could hinge on how the BYU O looks this year after the complete dumpster fire we saw last year.

People are thinking Bama...haha
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People are thinking Bama...haha

Saw that too, which kind of brings the close to home narrative into question. I have also heard Stanford, which actually might be the best fit overall if he qualifies.
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Is that a football thing? Cause they do accept transfer athletes

Or did you simply mean that they don't take them outside the normal admission window?
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I believe it's a football thing for undergrads. Shaw likes talking about it. You can be a grad transfer
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Interesting, did not know Football did not take undergrads.
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All moot, as he is signing with Alabama as expected. Because Tuscaloosa is so much closer to home in Reno than Seattle...

So which enterprising reporter will be checking in to see where his dad ends up and in what new job?
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