If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Isn't that George Carlin quote mathematically wrong though? Shouldn't he be saying that half of people are smarter than the MEDIAN person and not the AVERAGE?

But then he'd have to explain the difference between the two and even his audience wasn't going to wanna parse that lol

[BYU 14]

Jon makes a good point

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Iowa reps upset their farm welfare might be cut in the new GOP budget.





Do you think they realize that's called "Socialism"?

Growing up I was taught that North Dakota was one of the most socialist states because they were one of the very, very few states that actually had a state run bank(still do).

[CrimsonFox]

No one wants any of your disgusting High Fructose Corn Syrup, farmies...

[CrimsonFox]

Stolen from SCTV page:



Following firing of Lemon and Carlson, Earl Camembert out at SCTV!

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Iowa reps upset their farm welfare might be cut in the new GOP budget.

House Rs from Iowa walking into Speaker McCarthy’s office as they take issue with the debt ceiling plan re. Ethanol pic.twitter.com/lhiGU0n84k

— Olivia Beavers (@Olivia_Beavers) April 25, 2023

The thing about "cutting government spending" is that it sounds great in the abstract. Probably polls at 90%+

But the government tends to spend money on things that are popular. That's why it spends the money there. There just isn't some huge pot of money being spent on something that no one cares about. Previous Congresses cared about getting reelected, so they tried to do popular things.

The huge drivers of spending are really popular things--Defense, Social Security, Medicare, tax breaks, etc.

The things that people don't like--foreign aid, food stamps, etc.--already get such a small part of the budget that they are basically a rounding error.

It's like peace in the Middle East. Everyone wants it. But it turns out that it is really really hard to do.

[Thomkal]

Nice of Donald to give his testimony via tweet in the Carroll Rape suit because he won't be there in person:


https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/s...09215699046402

[Lathum]

Sales of Bud Lite down 17%. I don't even want to hear these GOP bitches complain again about cancel culture.

[albionmoonlight]

I'm sure they all moved to other AB/InBev brands.

Still, I'm impressed. I have a sense of the FREEDUMBS people as loud but small in number.

17% means that there are more out there than I would have suspected.

[Atocep]

What's funny is how they pick and choose their battles. They get outraged when something like this happens but love playing shit like Rage against the machine or Queen at rallies.

[Thomkal]

Don't have a link for you but you know how I was talking about getting to see the 7000 or so exhibits Dominion had for the lawsuit against Fox? Smartmatic Voting Systems wanted to see them too and a judge agreed.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Sales of Bud Lite down 17%. I don't even want to hear these GOP bitches complain again about cancel culture.

In an effort to understand both sides, I asked a pastor I know the difference between what he called righteous boycott and cancel culture. He was not a fan of me saying he seemed to be a part of cancel culture. This link is supposed to be an explainer of the difference.

The Difference Between a Righteous Boycott and Cancel Culture - The Stream

[JPhillips]

Cancel culture is things you hate. Righteous boycott is things I hate.

[NobodyHere]

To me, not doing business with someone who values offends you is simply a personal decision.

I think it starts becoming cancel culture when you start taking steps active steps to ensure that no one else can do business with that someone.

For example back in the good old days conservatives in Britain didn't want to see Monty Python's Life of Brian because if offended. If they had just simply stayed home or even told people why they were offended then that's not cancel culture to me. But where it did cross into cancel culture is when they threatened to boycott ALL movies at any movie theater that screened Life of Brian.

So does the Bud Light thing rise to cancel culture in my eyes? The answer is a definite maybe.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

To me, not doing business with someone who values offends you is simply a personal decision.

I think it starts becoming cancel culture when you start taking steps active steps to ensure that no one else can do business with that someone.

For example back in the good old days conservatives in Britain didn't want to see Monty Python's Life of Brian because if offended. If they had just simply stayed home or even told people why they were offended then that's not cancel culture to me. But where it did cross into cancel culture is when they threatened to boycott ALL movies at any movie theater that screened Life of Brian.

So does the Bud Light thing rise to cancel culture in my eyes? The answer is a definite maybe.

The issue is the hypocrisy. These dopes on the far right have boycotted WAY more things then the left ever has.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Atocep

What's funny is how they pick and choose their battles. They get outraged when something like this happens but love playing shit like Rage against the machine or Queen at rallies.

YMCA always cracks me up

[GrantDawg]

Unfortunately, on the Smartmatic case, it will likely be two more years before it ever goes to trial. It is a pretty open shut case, though. They accused Smartmatic software of changing votes in the Dominion machines. Except, Smartmatic makes software for foreign voting machines. No voting machines in the US even used Smartmatic software in 2016. Only Los Angeles County in the US used Smartmatic software in 2022.

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[CrimsonFox]

I don't know why they even fired Tucker. I mean they got away with not having to say they were sorry and he gets their stupid assholes to watch. Do you think it is because he secretly dislikes trump? (which I also don't believe)

[Ksyrup]

This is as good an explanation as any I've seen!

Did Tucker Carlson's comments about religion lead to his firing by Rupert Murdoch? | Daily Mail Online

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

This is as good an explanation as any I've seen!

Did Tucker Carlson's comments about religion lead to his firing by Rupert Murdoch? | Daily Mail Online

this sounds petty enough to be true

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I don't know why they even fired Tucker. I mean they got away with not having to say they were sorry and he gets their stupid assholes to watch. Do you think it is because he secretly dislikes trump? (which I also don't believe)

Not worth the trouble. He is a unique paradox. Lots of viewers but generates no revenue because no advertisers of any notoriety want to be associated with his show. It is all the pillow guy and promos for other network shows.

[CrimsonFox]

Hmmmm maybe we need to Cancel Curture Lathum just for kicks. Lathum do you want to be cancel cultured?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Hmmmm maybe we need to Cancel Curture Lathum just for kicks. Lathum do you want to be cancel cultured?

I left the board once for 3 years. You would all miss me too much

[Lathum]

I wonder if we will ever have another election like it appears 2024 will be where majority of voters on both sides don't really ant to vote their candidate?

You have to think most Dems would prefer someone other than Biden. His age has got to factor in. You also have to think most republicans, whether they will admit it or not, don't want Trump.

We are all held hostage at this point. The interesting thing is I actually think more republicans want Trump then Dems want Biden, yet Biden probably wins.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I wonder if we will ever have another election like it appears 2024 will be where majority of voters on both sides don't really ant to vote their candidate?

You have to think most Dems would prefer someone other than Biden. His age has got to factor in. You also have to think most republicans, whether they will admit it or not, don't want Trump.

We are all held hostage at this point. The interesting thing is I actually think more republicans want Trump then Dems want Biden, yet Biden probably wins.

Didn't we have this in 2016?

On the Republican side we had the Never-Trump movement and on the Democratic side we had the Bernie-Bros. There were a lot of people dissatisfied with the candidates. Heck I think even Libertarian Gary Johnson was disappointed in his own candidacy.

[Kodos]

Last time I was enthusiastic about a candidate was Obama.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Didn't we have this in 2016?

On the Republican side we had the Never-Trump movement and on the Democratic side we had the Bernie-Bros. There were a lot of people dissatisfied with the candidates. Heck I think even Libertarian Gary Johnson was disappointed in his own candidacy.

I don't think 2016 was even remotely close to this

[Lathum]

Looks like based off on Nikki Haleys recent comments the GOP playbook is going to be that Biden is going to die so a vote for Biden is actually one for HArris

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Looks like based off on Nikki Haleys recent comments the GOP playbook is going to be that Biden is going to die so a vote for Biden is actually one for HArris

And dem messaging really only needs to be that a vote for Trump is a vote for Trump.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Atocep

And dem messaging really only needs to be that a vote for Trump is a vote for Trump.

Totally agree. I honestly don't think it matters who the Dems run out. If Trump in the GOP nominee he will lose again. Not even because he is Trump, but because he is incapable of talking about anything other than the 2020 election and some other bat shit crazy things like Freedom Cities and loyalty tests.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Didn't we have this in 2016?

On the Republican side we had the Never-Trump movement and on the Democratic side we had the Bernie-Bros. There were a lot of people dissatisfied with the candidates. Heck I think even Libertarian Gary Johnson was disappointed in his own candidacy.

Imagine what things would be like if the Bernie Bros didn't fuck around and find out? Yet, I'm guessing, they still feel like they did the right thing, all things considered.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Looks like based off on Nikki Haleys recent comments the GOP playbook is going to be that Biden is going to die so a vote for Biden is actually one for HArris

Smart move. I think Harris is awful and a liability. This is one of those pros/cons of getting an "old school" politician. Moderate/savvy enough to run a normal government, but not willing to do things against the grain like replacing his VP for a second term even though given his age it is arguably more important now than it's been since like the 1800s when people commonly died before 40.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Last time I was enthusiastic about a candidate was Obama.

I literally couldn't name the last time for the Presidency.

Hell, I'm scuffling to find the last time for any office that I could actually vote on (i.e. I've seen candidates I was enthusiastic about in other jurisdictions)

That parenthetical is so extreme that the last nearby candidate I do recall being enthused by -- Andrew Clyde (R-Georgia9) -- is from Athens but actually ran in an adjacent district.

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Smart move. I think Harris is awful and a liability. This is one of those pros/cons of getting an "old school" politician. Moderate/savvy enough to run a normal government, but not willing to do things against the grain like replacing his VP for a second term even though given his age it is arguably more important now than it's been since like the 1800s when people commonly died before 40.

As VP Harris seems to have been even more invisible and less accomplished than Mike Pence, which is really saying something, especially in this environment.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Smart move. I think Harris is awful and a liability. This is one of those pros/cons of getting an "old school" politician. Moderate/savvy enough to run a normal government, but not willing to do things against the grain like replacing his VP for a second term even though given his age it is arguably more important now than it's been since like the 1800s when people commonly died before 40.

Yeah. I saw the logic of the choice at the time, but I really don't see her being a good heir-apparent. But then honestly I can't think of a great replacement, either.

[stevew]

Just saw a Desantis ad on espn. Wild.

[GrantDawg]

I didn't put it together until today why Desantis hadn't announced. He still waiting for the "need to resign" law to come into affect. I really thought he might be giving it a second thought, but what I read was he has May 11th on the schedule to make it official.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

As VP Harris seems to have been even more invisible and less accomplished than Mike Pence, which is really saying something, especially in this environment.

Isn't that up to how the media wants to cover the VP though? I see her every now and then speaking out about a shooting or abortion, but other than that she doesn't make the news much. Which really isn't that surprising, when HAS the VP, really? Outside of things like Dan Quayle doing stupid shit or something. The news cycles are either focused on the president, or now focused on the antics of Trump or DeSantis.

[GrantDawg]

Over and over again, they paid huge money only to prove that their was no election fraud.

NEW: The Trump campaign quietly hired a second firm to study voter fraud claims after the 2020 election and paid the firm $750k. Its founder says in an interview with Post that the claims were "all false," and that he recently met with DOJ. https://t.co/lrmh07prT7

— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) April 27, 2023

[JPhillips]

How many millions did they raise, though, and where did that money go?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

How many millions did they raise, though, and where did that money go?

Oh, they made bank. It is such a great scam. You raise money, and then pay yourself and your cronies in "consulting fees." There has still been millions in outlays to organizations whose sole purpose was to find fraud, and they still couldn't do it.

[GrantDawg]

dola: Just to add, I do think Trump loves a good scam. I'm sure he enjoys the money this all brings in. But I also think he sincerely wants to find some kind of fraud. His narcissistic megalomania absolutely convinces him that there had to be fraud for him to lose. Can you imagine having to be the one who tells him they spent $750k for someone to tell him there was no fraud? I guarantee he told them "but that's not what I paid you for!"

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Isn't that up to how the media wants to cover the VP though? I see her every now and then speaking out about a shooting or abortion, but other than that she doesn't make the news much. Which really isn't that surprising, when HAS the VP, really? Outside of things like Dan Quayle doing stupid shit or something. The news cycles are either focused on the president, or now focused on the antics of Trump or DeSantis.

Exactly. If you go to her twitter feed, you will find she's been doing all sorts of stuff, Official visits to Africa, standing up for women's rights,etc. The media doesn't cover most of that they are focused on the President. Most of the Cabinet members are like that too. Check out Transportation Secretary's tweets, or the Department on the Interior, they are doing a lot of stuff in the background that doesn't get a lot of coverage.


I think if Trump didn't pick him to head up the pandemic response, we might not have seen/heard much from Pence at all.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I didn't put it together until today why Desantis hadn't announced. He still waiting for the "need to resign" law to come into affect. I really thought he might be giving it a second thought, but what I read was he has May 11th on the schedule to make it official.

It might be a blessing in disguise as he's cratering in the polls and I still think won't end up running.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

I think if Trump didn't pick him to head up the pandemic response, we might not have seen/heard much from Pence at all.

You also have to have an adult in the room at times and Trump certainly wasn't that.

I'm ok with the VP going back to being someone that mostly works behind the scenes.

[Thomkal]

Mike Pence met with the Jan 6 Grand Jury today for several hours. See that wasn't so hard Mike.

[albionmoonlight]

If Trump is the nominee, he probably loses the general.
If Trump isn't the nominee, he might try to sabotage whoever the nominee is.

It would be a lot easier for the GOP if he just dies.

Lots of ways to make a death look like an accident once someone is no longer useful.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Exactly. If you go to her twitter feed, you will find she's been doing all sorts of stuff, Official visits to Africa, standing up for women's rights,etc. The media doesn't cover most of that they are focused on the President. Most of the Cabinet members are like that too. Check out Transportation Secretary's tweets, or the Department on the Interior, they are doing a lot of stuff in the background that doesn't get a lot of coverage.


I think if Trump didn't pick him to head up the pandemic response, we might not have seen/heard much from Pence at all.

Like a normal administration

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Yeah. I saw the logic of the choice at the time, but I really don't see her being a good heir-apparent. But then honestly I can't think of a great replacement, either.

Gretchen Whitmer would have nation appeal but replacing a black woman with a white woman will absolutely disenfranchise the black vote. I can already see Al sharpton and Van Jones frothing at the mouth.

[flere-imsaho]

The next time the VP choice truly matters will be the first time the VP choice truly matters (at least in the post-WWII era). Earlier this year I was interested in this as an idea and looked at all the races and all the analyses I was able to find and read indicated that there's no evidence that the VP choice has ever contributed significantly to a race, again, in the post-WWII era.

Compelling narratives exist, but Palin didn't really sink McCain, Gore didn't really help Clinton, Quayle turned out not to be a liability for Bush, and so on and so forth.