Warner Signs With Cards

ShovelMonkey · 03-06-2005, 06:54 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2006682

By John Clayton, ESPN.com

Quarterback Kurt Warner felt good enough about his visit to Arizona to reach a one-year, $4 million agreement Sunday with the Cardinals, effectively canceling a trip to Detriot this week.

Warner, seeking to regain a starting job after revitalizing his career with the New York Giants last season, visited the Cardinals and Bears before thinking about the opportunity Arizona afforded him and decided it was in his best interest to sign.

"He had a great visit to Arizona," his agent, Mark Bartelstein, said. "Kurt thinks they have a great group of young receivers and a good offensive line. He liked their fullback [James Hodgins] and he likes the offensive system that they run."

The Cardinals currently have Josh McCown and Shaun King as their top two quarterbacks.

Warner, 33, will have a chance to play in a system with which he is familiar. Cardinals coach Dennis Green hired Keith Rowan from the Chiefs to be his offensive coordinator, thus implementing the system Warner ran when he was with the Rams and Dick Vermeil was their coach.

Why the one-year contract?

"Kurt wants to control his own destiny," Bartelstein said. "He thinks he is on top of his game. He thinks he's going to play at a Pro Bowl level."

The Bears were looking for Warner to back up Rex Grossman, while the Lions were considering Warner to compete against Joey Harrington if he struggled as this year's starter.

John Clayton is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.

maximus · 03-06-2005, 06:58 PM

Great. The Bears are going to be stuck with Fiedler.

Pyser · 03-06-2005, 06:58 PM

warner throwing to those WRs....i think he'll have a pretty good year. Good signing on his part.

TLK · 03-06-2005, 07:06 PM

Warner playing the Rams twice this year.... good times

Qwikshot · 03-06-2005, 07:08 PM

Arizona is where old people are supposed to go anyway.

Suicane75 · 03-06-2005, 07:10 PM

2005 NFC Champion Arizona Cardinals........Nah..........Nah.

ISiddiqui · 03-06-2005, 07:12 PM

Not a bad deal for Warner or the Cards. Not like McCown or King are in any danger of ursurping Warner for the staring job. And IIRC, the Cards line isn't that horrible.

Schmidty · 03-06-2005, 07:12 PM

Was hoping he'd sign with the Lions, but oh well.

TazFTW · 03-06-2005, 07:25 PM

Good deal for Warner and the Cards. Warner gets two talented young WRs to throw to and a pretty good o-line, the Cards get a veteren QB. They probably need to add a RB as Marcel Shipp is coming off of an injury.

Honolulu_Blue · 03-06-2005, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Was hoping he'd sign with the Lions, but oh well.

Agreed. Then again, I had mixed feelings. I have mixed feelings about the other options (Garcia or Brad Johnson) as well...

panerd · 03-06-2005, 10:23 PM

My brother in law has season tickets and usually takes me to Rams games. Who would have thought the Cardinal ticket would be the hot ticket of the year? The question is do we go and enjoy seeing Kurt back or does he sell them for the outragous price that St. Louisians will pay for things like this?

Franklinnoble · 03-07-2005, 01:49 AM

This could turn out to be the best free agent signing of the year.

TLK · 03-07-2005, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Agreed. Then again, I had mixed feelings. I have mixed feelings about the other options (Garcia or Brad Johnson) as well...

Garcia is as good as gone, to the Broncos.... Brad Johnson--- here we come

ice4277 · 03-07-2005, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TheLionKing

Garcia is as good as gone, to the Broncos.... Brad Johnson--- here we come

Frankly, I've never been sold on Garcia, I don't think that Johnson will be much worse of an option.

HomerJSimpson · 03-07-2005, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by maximus

Great. The Bears are going to be stuck with Fiedler.

That is one franchise that needs a return to greatness. When is someone going to pull the Bears back together?

Thomkal · 03-07-2005, 08:52 AM

Hmmm, guess the board didn't like me posting bad things about Warner, ate my original post.

I just don't get this signing. Denny Green went on and on about how McCown was his starter and that's why they didn't need to draft a QB last year. Then he benches him after he wins two games in a row, then signs a veteran to start over him. Warner's best days are past him, if you wanted a QB for the future if you were unhappy with McCown, you should have been drafting one in the first round instead of going with an old guy

Just don't get it. Ah well at least its only for one year if he has a crappy season so someone else can sign him.

Ksyrup · 03-07-2005, 09:09 AM

Given what you just typed, this signing makes perfect sense. Green and/or the Cardinals don't have an effing clue what they are doing, or at the very least, can't make up their minds.

MizzouRah · 03-07-2005, 09:18 AM

I get to see Kurt this year!

I bet I could sell those tickets for some extra cash.

Todd

mhass · 03-07-2005, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by maximus

Great. The Bears are going to be stuck with Fiedler.

I'm actually a little relieved with this. Warner was a little expensive, and for the twenty-first time THEY NEED A LEFT TACKLE.

Poli · 03-07-2005, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I get to see Kurt this year!

I bet I could sell those tickets for some extra cash.

Todd

Forget that! WE are going to that game!

Poli · 03-07-2005, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Hmmm, guess the board didn't like me posting bad things about Warner, ate my original post.

I just don't get this signing. Denny Green went on and on about how McCown was his starter and that's why they didn't need to draft a QB last year. Then he benches him after he wins two games in a row, then signs a veteran to start over him. Warner's best days are past him, if you wanted a QB for the future if you were unhappy with McCown, you should have been drafting one in the first round instead of going with an old guy

Just don't get it. Ah well at least its only for one year if he has a crappy season so someone else can sign him.

In going with the current logic, I'd assume the Cardinals will draft a quarterback in the first round.

rkmsuf · 03-07-2005, 09:32 AM

I think I saw somewhere that Warner will be reuinited with a familiar offense because of the Cardinial O coordinator.

Could work out. I mean they are no worse off even though Warner is not the player he was.

Radii · 03-07-2005, 10:14 AM

Warner's career ended, what, 3 years ago? This isn't going to end well at all.

moriarty · 03-07-2005, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TazFTW

Good deal for Warner and the Cards. Warner gets two talented young WRs to throw to and a pretty good o-line, the Cards get a veteren QB.

Actually, what I don't understand is why Warner and his agent didn't push for more than a one year deal. If he's replaced midway through the season, Warner will never get starting pay again (and may never even play again). I think he should have signed for as many years as possible and taken the $$. You'd think him and his agent would realize that after he got yanked last season for a rookie.

JeeberD · 03-07-2005, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Radii

This isn't going to end well at all.

I would have to agree with you there...

Franklinnoble · 03-07-2005, 11:06 AM

This is a great deal for the Cardinals... if Warner doesn't work out, they can cut him mid-season with no real cap ramifications, and I'm sure Denny Green still has Jeff George on speed-dial...

Arles · 03-07-2005, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Hmmm, guess the board didn't like me posting bad things about Warner, ate my original post.

I just don't get this signing. Denny Green went on and on about how McCown was his starter and that's why they didn't need to draft a QB last year. Then he benches him after he wins two games in a row, then signs a veteran to start over him. Warner's best days are past him, if you wanted a QB for the future if you were unhappy with McCown, you should have been drafting one in the first round instead of going with an old guy

Just don't get it. Ah well at least its only for one year if he has a crappy season so someone else can sign him.

IIRC, the Cardinals were close to dead last in passing offense and completion % when McCown was benched - the team was winning in spite of the QB. Still, I don't think it was the right move to try Shaun "Which team do I throw to, again?" King. On the issue of this offseason, Green gave McCown all of the offseason, camp and most of the season in 04 to show he was a starting QB - and he didn't. Therefore, it makes sense that Green would have preferred to stick with McCown for 2004 and see what Arizona had. Then, after a subpar season, go in a different direction.

Warner is a stop-gap and my guess is the Cards will draft another QB in the late rounds to compete with McCown and Navarre for the final two "development" spots. But, if you don't think McCown is the QB of the future and are looking at developing Navarre or someone else, it makes sense to go with a guy like Warner for 05 over Josh.

hukarez · 03-07-2005, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Arizona is where old people are supposed to go anyway.

I thought that would be Florida?

stkelly52 · 03-07-2005, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by moriarty

Actually, what I don't understand is why Warner and his agent didn't push for more than a one year deal. If he's replaced midway through the season, Warner will never get starting pay again (and may never even play again). I think he should have signed for as many years as possible and taken the $$. You'd think him and his agent would realize that after he got yanked last season for a rookie.

Seams to me that a short deal is better for the player. If he was signed to a 2-3 year deal, played poorly and was benched do you really think that the Cards would bring him back next season? In all liklyhood they would cut him and then he is in the exact same situation that he would be in in a one year deal...

However, if (and it is a big if) Warner plays as well as he did with the Rams, his value suddenly goes way up and in a year he can sign another one of those huge money deals.

Ksyrup · 03-07-2005, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by moriarty

Actually, what I don't understand is why Warner and his agent didn't push for more than a one year deal. If he's replaced midway through the season, Warner will never get starting pay again (and may never even play again). I think he should have signed for as many years as possible and taken the $$. You'd think him and his agent would realize that after he got yanked last season for a rookie.

Because Warner wants to prove he's a starter, and anywhere else he might have gone in the league, barring an injury, the best he would be promised is to compete for a starting job, and most likely he would have ended up doing exactly what he did for the last half of last season. Right or wrong, the guy is hell-bent on proving he can still start, and his thought is that if he can have a good year for a shitty team like Arizona, he can parlay that into a 4-6 year deal with guaranteed money on a decent team which happens to need a QB.

Ksyrup · 03-07-2005, 11:28 AM

What he said.

HomerJSimpson · 03-07-2005, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arles

Warner is a stop-gap and my guess is the Cards will draft another QB in the late rounds to compete with McCown and Navarre for the final two "development" spots. But, if you don't think McCown is the QB of the future and are looking at developing Navarre or someone else, it makes sense to go with a guy like Warner for 05 over Josh.

Agreed. I can't see where this is a bad signing for the Cards. They draft a QB, and give him a year to learn. Mean-while, Warner might give you a couple more wins this season.

Pyser · 03-07-2005, 01:23 PM

why the warner bashing? he had the giants at 5-2 last year or something, and got benched when the team was 5-4 and still leading the wild card race.

they guy can still play well enough. he just cant play as well as we used to see him play.

HomerJSimpson · 03-07-2005, 01:33 PM

Shorty is much hotter than Brenda.

Raiders Army · 03-07-2005, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyser

why the warner bashing? he had the giants at 5-2 last year or something, and got benched when the team was 5-4 and still leading the wild card race.

they guy can still play well enough. he just cant play as well as we used to see him play.

I have nothing against him football-wise. Bible beater? Check. Fugly wife? Check. Did he leave NY because Brenda couldn't compete with Shorty?

moriarty · 03-07-2005, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by stkelly52

Seams to me that a short deal is better for the player. If he was signed to a 2-3 year deal, played poorly and was benched do you really think that the Cards would bring him back next season? In all liklyhood they would cut him and then he is in the exact same situation that he would be in in a one year deal...

Signing a 4 year deal = bigger signing bonus = more guaranteed $$ (edit - even if they cut him)

If he has a bad year, he'll be lucky to get a multi-year contract as a backup = less guaranteed $$.

I agree w/ KSyrup, Warner really believes he's a top starter in the league, and if he proves himself he will get the money. I just think he's taking a bad gamble here IMO. I don't watch the Cardinals enough to know if they have a decent line, but I can tell you having watched Giants games last year, if Warner gets pressured ... it's bad news.

Glengoyne · 03-07-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLionKing

Warner playing the Rams twice this year.... good times

Now those games I'd like to see. Makes the price of Direct Ticket seem a bit lower.

Desnudo · 03-07-2005, 02:16 PM

This is the Cardinals we are talking about here people. Of course it's not going to work.

miami_fan · 01-19-2009, 03:38 PM

Okay I was looking for another thread involving Kurt Warner and saw this one. Kurt Warner is who Denny Green thought he was.

Radii · 02-08-2009, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Radii

Warner's career ended, what, 3 years ago? This isn't going to end well at all.

I'm a genius, eh?

JeeberD · 02-09-2009, 02:33 AM

I was right there with ya, buddy...

SackAttack · 02-09-2009, 02:48 AM

In fairness, you referred to the quality of its ending. You didn't say it wouldn't go well at any point during the player-franchise relationship.

Thomkal · 02-09-2009, 08:06 AM

No comment

flere-imsaho · 02-09-2009, 09:34 AM

Turned out to be a very good decision on Warner's part (obviously). I doubt he would have done as well with the Bears or Lions.

MrDNA · 02-09-2009, 06:37 PM

Lousy bump making me think he RE-signed with the Cardinals. :grr:

Dutch · 02-09-2009, 06:44 PM

I think FOFC did a pretty good job of defending this move as a good decision. I'll admit that if I had interjected here, I would've said he would not have worked out.

Senator · 02-09-2009, 07:53 PM

These threads are fun to retread.

03-06-2005, 07:12 PM	#7
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Not a bad deal for Warner or the Cards. Not like McCown or King are in any danger of ursurping Warner for the staring job. And IIRC, the Cards line isn't that horrible. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

03-06-2005, 07:12 PM	#8
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Was hoping he'd sign with the Lions, but oh well. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

03-07-2005, 09:09 AM	#17
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Given what you just typed, this signing makes perfect sense. Green and/or the Cardinals don't have an effing clue what they are doing, or at the very least, can't make up their minds. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-07-2005, 09:32 AM	#22
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	I think I saw somewhere that Warner will be reuinited with a familiar offense because of the Cardinial O coordinator. Could work out. I mean they are no worse off even though Warner is not the player he was. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

03-07-2005, 11:28 AM	#31
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	What he said. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-06-2005, 06:58 PM	#2
maximus Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Where the system is screwed	Great. The Bears are going to be stuck with Fiedler.

03-06-2005, 06:58 PM	#3
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	warner throwing to those WRs....i think he'll have a pretty good year. Good signing on his part.

03-06-2005, 07:06 PM	#4
TLK Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Allen Park, MI	Warner playing the Rams twice this year.... good times

03-06-2005, 07:08 PM	#5
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	Arizona is where old people are supposed to go anyway.

03-06-2005, 07:10 PM	#6
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	2005 NFC Champion Arizona Cardinals........Nah..........Nah.

03-06-2005, 07:25 PM	#9
TazFTW Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI	Good deal for Warner and the Cards. Warner gets two talented young WRs to throw to and a pretty good o-line, the Cards get a veteren QB. They probably need to add a RB as Marcel Shipp is coming off of an injury.

03-06-2005, 10:23 PM	#11
panerd Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: St. Louis	My brother in law has season tickets and usually takes me to Rams games. Who would have thought the Cardinal ticket would be the hot ticket of the year? The question is do we go and enjoy seeing Kurt back or does he sell them for the outragous price that St. Louisians will pay for things like this?

03-07-2005, 01:49 AM	#12
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	This could turn out to be the best free agent signing of the year.

03-07-2005, 08:52 AM	#16
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Hmmm, guess the board didn't like me posting bad things about Warner, ate my original post. I just don't get this signing. Denny Green went on and on about how McCown was his starter and that's why they didn't need to draft a QB last year. Then he benches him after he wins two games in a row, then signs a veteran to start over him. Warner's best days are past him, if you wanted a QB for the future if you were unhappy with McCown, you should have been drafting one in the first round instead of going with an old guy Just don't get it. Ah well at least its only for one year if he has a crappy season so someone else can sign him.

03-07-2005, 09:18 AM	#18
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	I get to see Kurt this year! I bet I could sell those tickets for some extra cash. Todd

03-07-2005, 10:14 AM	#23
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Warner's career ended, what, 3 years ago? This isn't going to end well at all.

03-07-2005, 11:06 AM	#26
Franklinnoble Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Placerville, CA	This is a great deal for the Cardinals... if Warner doesn't work out, they can cut him mid-season with no real cap ramifications, and I'm sure Denny Green still has Jeff George on speed-dial...

03-07-2005, 01:23 PM	#33
Pyser Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Los Angeles	why the warner bashing? he had the giants at 5-2 last year or something, and got benched when the team was 5-4 and still leading the wild card race. they guy can still play well enough. he just cant play as well as we used to see him play.

03-07-2005, 01:33 PM	#34
HomerJSimpson College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Springfield, USA	Shorty is much hotter than Brenda.

03-07-2005, 02:16 PM	#38
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	This is the Cardinals we are talking about here people. Of course it's not going to work.

01-19-2009, 03:38 PM	#39
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Okay I was looking for another thread involving Kurt Warner and saw this one. Kurt Warner is who Denny Green thought he was. __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

02-09-2009, 02:33 AM	#41
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	I was right there with ya, buddy... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

02-09-2009, 02:48 AM	#42
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	In fairness, you referred to the quality of its ending. You didn't say it wouldn't go well at any point during the player-franchise relationship.

02-09-2009, 08:06 AM	#43
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	No comment

02-09-2009, 09:34 AM	#44
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	Turned out to be a very good decision on Warner's part (obviously). I doubt he would have done as well with the Bears or Lions.

02-09-2009, 06:37 PM	#45
MrDNA High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2007	Lousy bump making me think he RE-signed with the Cardinals. :grr: __________________ Norfolk Flame (Shiba) Jacksonville Bulls (UFL) R.I.P. *Ayr Bravehearts (FOFL)*

02-09-2009, 06:44 PM	#46
Dutch "Dutch" Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Tampa, FL	I think FOFC did a pretty good job of defending this move as a good decision. I'll admit that if I had interjected here, I would've said he would not have worked out.

02-09-2009, 07:53 PM	#47
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	These threads are fun to retread. __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

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