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Old 10-26-2009, 05:20 PM   #651
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I think I'm going to stick with my vote from yesterday for now.

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Old 10-26-2009, 05:26 PM   #652
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Here is my recap of the post-reveal movers off PB, excluding folks that are dead (Danny) or near-cleared (PB):

1.) RA moves his vote several times. His initial vote is over to Abe, putting him up 8-6. He later moves to Telle, NTN, and back to Telle.
- unlikely to do this to Abe if they are wolves together
- if Abe is not a wolf this still seems pretty haphazard/erratic

2.) J23 unvotes PB, doesn't get his vote in (Telle) until one minute past deadline.
- certainly possible if he is a wolf w/Abe, just missed on late snipe + confusion over 8:59 vs 9:00 deadline. Still possible if he is not a wolf ... who cares where vote ends up if all choices are villagers? But getting vote off of PB shows villager-intent.

3.) NTN moves off KWhit (non-candidate at time) over to Telle.
- most clear-cut help for Abe up to this point, argues potential wolves together. The fact that he was on non-leading candidate doesn't help him in my eyes, since wolves tend to spread the vote on D1 when possible.

4.) I end up being the swing vote, making lynch Telle over Abe with my late change. I'll talk about this vote at length to anyone who has questions I have not yet answered.

5.) Coffee Warlord essentially mirrors my action, but is at 8:00 and misses deadline by a couple of seconds. Same analysis would apply to him as me, as earlier noted by EF.
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Old 10-26-2009, 05:34 PM   #653
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Translation: I thought the explanations both of you offered were kind of weak. At the point where you both voted, it was going Abe or Telle (or PB maybe). I take a little issue with throwing your vote away on a meaningless candidate, and don't feel it was adequately explained why you didn't choose a side. Right or wrong, I'd prefer people make their votes matter when possible.

I thought that by the time I voted it was thought that Abe was either good as a roled villager or good as a vanilla villager. And I voted thinking that Telle had as many votes as my candidate did. (I realize that I was wrong that there was still another vote on KWhit) So I don't think you could say Abe or Telle at the point I voted for Kwhit. I knew it was a vote I might have to change if no one agreed with me. That was one reason I was around at the end. To make sure that my vote wasn't a wasted vote.

And iam reading through these and responding as needed.
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Old 10-26-2009, 05:36 PM   #654
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In case you missed the discussion on night one:



And I posted this earlier today as my recap:



Asleep at the wheel today ntn?

Today? basically the whole times it loooks like. I am missing posts left and right. Dadblasted job keeping me working instead of reading posts!
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Old 10-26-2009, 05:40 PM   #655
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Votes as of Post #654:

Abe - Lathum (536), NTN (538), Lerri (568), Hoops (639), Jackal (650), MartinD (651)
NTN - RA (569), Chief (622), Abe (628), CW (631)
CW - KWhit (633)
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Old 10-26-2009, 05:44 PM   #656
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2.) J23 unvotes PB, doesn't get his vote in (Telle) until one minute past deadline.
- certainly possible if he is a wolf w/Abe, just missed on late snipe + confusion over 8:59 vs 9:00 deadline. Still possible if he is not a wolf ... who cares where vote ends up if all choices are villagers? But getting vote off of PB shows villager-intent.

This one puzzles me. There was time after Telle became a candidate to vote for her and Abe was still a candidate other than PB.

Undecided wolf maybe?

Afraid to put the vote on Abe and then Abe coming back good? Or, not wanting to put the vote on Abe if they are both wolves?
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Old 10-26-2009, 05:50 PM   #657
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Question for NTN if/when he gets back - you were pretty willing to make this a "you vs Abe" contest this morning, based on putting a self-defense vote on Abe when the tally was 1-0 early this morning. Now that you have a few hours and some more posts to evaluate, do you still think Abe is the right way to go today? Why or why not?

Hoops, I do think you have a point about the seer. (or who ever came up with that point.) One of my problems today is availability. I only have another 20-30 min before I am out again until after the deadline. So my vote is about to be permanent. And therefore I am probably going to be a bit of a sheep today. I assume the seer will wait til day 3 or day 4 to reveal. So evenif we don't do this today, how long should we wait for?

So the short version of this is Probably not, but I still need a place to vote. I need to see another candidate before seeing if I move.
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Old 10-26-2009, 05:51 PM   #658
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I thought hoops didn't want Abe in a run-off today? Yet once ntn took a 4-3 lead hoops votes Abe to tie it up at 4?
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:21 PM   #659
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EF, if I had my choice we would not have Abe in a runoff. But watching how today played out I didn't like him as a choice so I cast my lot with Abe over him. Every once in awhile I don't get to pick how stuff plays out in these threads

I really don't think that we learn anything new about Abe in this runoff. If he is a wolf we already have a wealth of info to use from D1. If he is a villager then we reduced our shot of getting a wolf today.

The other option would have been introducing a new candidate, but I have not got a particularly good sense yet. I would probably be going after someone like Lathum or Chief Rum and I don't really have enough of a compelling argument to feel good about that quite yet. It is hard work mustering a case against someone when you are not going to be around at the deadline to see it through.

See everyone sometime after Schmidty posts results.
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:28 PM   #660
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:29 PM   #661
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I thought hoops didn't want Abe in a run-off today? Yet once ntn took a 4-3 lead hoops votes Abe to tie it up at 4?

I don't have a problem with hoops' vote. He'd said he wanted two different people in a runoff if we weren't going to have a runaway on Abe, but the rest of us weren't on par with that.
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:30 PM   #662
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Ah, I see he already addressed it.

And what the heck, EF.. are you gonna vote or what?
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:41 PM   #663
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I'll put my vote in there, but will move to avoid a tie.

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Old 10-26-2009, 06:41 PM   #664
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This one puzzles me. There was time after Telle became a candidate to vote for her and Abe was still a candidate other than PB.

Undecided wolf maybe?

Afraid to put the vote on Abe and then Abe coming back good? Or, not wanting to put the vote on Abe if they are both wolves?

As I posted before, I was trying to see where votes stood at the time. I didn't want to see PB get killed if he was legit, and wanted to make sure my vote would be on whoever it needed to be to ensure that it happened. Apparently my computer clock is a few minutes behind the board clock, so when I stopped my tracking of votes to put in my vote, it was just after deadline.
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:44 PM   #665
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:45 PM   #666
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I'll put my vote in there, but will move to avoid a tie.

vote ntn

VOTE NTN

As I posted before, I don't really think that Abe being lynched teaches us anything that we won't know soon unless he's the cunning. He seemed the obvious scan target last night (PB went for him, betting the seer did as well).

I recognize the fact that I am tying up the vote, and will likely move off in order to avoid a no lynch if it comes to that, however I'd really rather not see Abe lynched and us to gain nothing when we learn he's a villager.
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:46 PM   #667
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Ok, I guess I'm not tying it up.
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:48 PM   #668
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VOTE NTN

As I posted before, I don't really think that Abe being lynched teaches us anything that we won't know soon unless he's the cunning. He seemed the obvious scan target last night (PB went for him, betting the seer did as well).

I recognize the fact that I am tying up the vote, and will likely move off in order to avoid a no lynch if it comes to that, however I'd really rather not see Abe lynched and us to gain nothing when we learn he's a villager.

Just look at the last game. What if the seer dies?
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Old 10-26-2009, 06:51 PM   #669
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If the seer gets killed, then I hope they would have left us a clue along the way. At this point, the odds are pretty slim that the seer gets killed, and I'm willing to take the chance.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:03 PM   #670
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Back for a sec during kid's bath time and not too many posts since I left. Let's get a vote count ...
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:05 PM   #671
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I'll put my vote in there, but will move to avoid a tie.

vote ntn

I don't know if Schmidty is going to be a stickler, but I think the vote is supposed to be in all caps.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:05 PM   #672
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Votes as of post #670:

7 Abe - Lathum (536), NTN (538), Lerri (568), Hoops (639), Jackal (650), MartinD (651), EF (665)
6 NTN - RA (569), Chief (622), Abe (628), CW (631), PB (663), J23 (666)
1 CW - KWhit (633)

No votes - GoldenEagle, JAG

KWhit did not sound like he was going to be back. So that one probably is not moving, for better or worse.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:08 PM   #673
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I don't know if Schmidty is going to be a stickler, but I think the vote is supposed to be in all caps.

looking back, a couple other people didn't put in all caps. Hopefully it's not a big deal.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:08 PM   #674
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I'm pretty stunned that Danny was the night kill. If I had to guess, I suspect that the wolves may have had their order in early. Only other thought is that they had a strong reason to suspect Danny had a role?

Nothing else really makes a ton of sense to me at first glance.

hoops, this is an old post (I'm reading back), does it make sense that the wolves had to have their order in early, but then put it down late enough for PB to be enslutted? I'm going to take a look at Danny's posts to see if he was onto something.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:10 PM   #675
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THIS IS A REVOTE, just in case.

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Old 10-26-2009, 07:12 PM   #676
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Pretty unenlightening.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:26 PM   #677
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VOTE ABE SARGENT

If you're a villager, I'm sorry about this vote Abe. I didn't really have another candidate during the day, I don't feel good about ntn being a wolf, and with that consideration, I think there's more to learn about lynching you and hoping EF's interpretation was accurate.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:28 PM   #678
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Hmm...concerned about a tie.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:28 PM   #679
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If you're a villager, I'm sorry about this vote Abe. I didn't really have another candidate during the day, I don't feel good about ntn being a wolf, and with that consideration, I think there's more to learn about lynching you and hoping EF's interpretation was accurate.

Okay, less concerned now.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:37 PM   #680
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GE loves to be that last vote, doesn't he.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:37 PM   #681
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:43 PM   #682
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:45 PM   #683
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GE loves to be that last vote, doesn't he.

Yes, I do.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:48 PM   #684
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I know if Abe comes back as a villager, it clears me a bit. But ntn has had more suspicious activity. I think hoops is right, we have a greater shot at nabbing a wolf if we lynch ntn. My vote is going to make it 8-7. I don't know if anyone will have the balls to switch.

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Old 10-26-2009, 07:52 PM   #685
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That's kind of a terrible vote, GE. And you do realize that hoops voted for Abe?
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:54 PM   #686
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I don't like votes that are prefaced by "well since i'm voting for this person, if the other person is good it clears me." Big warning flags.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:54 PM   #687
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Hoops voted for Abe, despite what he said. Though I dont think Abe is a wolf, I don't like it getting real tight this close to deadline.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:54 PM   #688
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:54 PM   #689
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I don't know if Schmidty is going to be a stickler, but I think the vote is supposed to be in all caps.

I'm only going to a huge stickler on the bolding part. The caps is more of a courtesy I suppose.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:55 PM   #691
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That's kind of a terrible vote, GE. And you do realize that hoops voted for Abe?

So everyone else who voted for ntn is also a terrible vote? Because I did not vote for the person that you voted for it is a terrible vote?
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:56 PM   #692
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So everyone else who voted for ntn is also a terrible vote? Because I did not vote for the person that you voted for it is a terrible vote?

It's the timing of it. You can't expect to vote at the deadline every time and not get flack for it. Making it a close vote to allow for people to manipulate it is foolish. And your reasoning was off, also. And I said nothing about my vote. I have no idea if Abe is good or bad. I hope he's bad, but I don't know. It's just a bad villager play.
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:58 PM   #693
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I agree that NTN has been more suspicious, but that whole post that you wrote raised warning flags. Maybe it's just your game flavor, but I've played with you a few games, and I didn't like it.
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It is 8-7-1 now. I'm going to make sure we don't tie.

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I don't like votes that are prefaced by "well since i'm voting for this person, if the other person is good it clears me." Big warning flags.

How exactly is that a big warning flag? Look, I understand that you don't like the way I play the game. That is fine. But do you have to make a point about it at every deadline?

It has been stated previously that if Abe is a wolf, it clears me since I did not switch my vote off him on Day 1. I could have easily gone with the flow and changed my vote to Telle, but I did not. That is why it would clear me. I am not sure what sends up big warning flags about that.
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I think that makes it 9-6-1 I think against Abe.
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Old 10-26-2009, 08:01 PM   #699
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Abe, I hope you know I'm sorry if you're good. Hell, I'll even feel mildly bad if you're bad.
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Old 10-26-2009, 08:01 PM   #700
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How exactly is that a big warning flag? Look, I understand that you don't like the way I play the game. That is fine. But do you have to make a point about it at every deadline?

It has been stated previously that if Abe is a wolf, it clears me since I did not switch my vote off him on Day 1. I could have easily gone with the flow and changed my vote to Telle, but I did not. That is why it would clear me. I am not sure what sends up big warning flags about that.

I didn't say I don't like it. I think it's ballsy to vote at the deadline everytime, and if you're a villager, it puts a ton of pressure on you.

I was not taking your day 1 vote into account, and I apologize about that. I didn't switch off of him either (as I wasn't in the thread). That definitely lowers my suspicion level.

And you just said if Abe is a wolf, it clears you, but in the other post you said that if Abe comes back a villager, it clears you... Huh?
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