Soccer Thread 2018-2019

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by Marc Vaughan

Thought it was harsh myself and I was definitely not supporting them ..

Me too. But I’m in favour of anything that annoys Neymar.

I'll always support a British team against a non-British team - I know it’s not universal though!

[whomario]

People IMO need to accept that a defender isn't entitled to block a shot/cross. If he has to move his hands/arms out of the way to avoid them being hit, whose to say that isn't the proper 'way of things' as opposed to the attacker basically having to shoot a meter past him.



Overall one of the more astonishingly random wins by a team in recent memory. Show anybody that game and leave out the goals and ask him what the result was, nobody would remotely guess ManU was close much less won. But if you have so many brainfarts on defense and mess up great chances offensively you have only yourself to blame ...

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

I am not sure what the complaints are from PSG. Definitely a penalty.

Maybe this is how UEFA alternatively punishes PSG because they failed so through financial fair play?

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by whomario

People IMO need to accept that a defender isn't entitled to block a shot/cross. If he has to move his hands/arms out of the way to avoid them being hit, whose to say that isn't the proper 'way of things' as opposed to the attacker basically having to shoot a meter past him...

Because your arms are natural stabilsers. When you move, whether that be walking, running, jumping, twisting, falling, your ams help centralise balance. If you change direction suddenly, your arms naturally swing out in the opposite direction - if someone kicks a ball against your arms in an instance like this, it’s not deliberate handball.

If a player makes himself as big a target as possible by holding his arms out wide Schmeichel-esque, I agree. In this case, and many other instances, however, for me the ams were not in an unnatural position, rather just slightly beyond the bodyline through the effect of jumping and turning at the same time.

Extrapolate your point out, and it will get to the point where players will need to tape their arms to their sides to satisfy people, and we end up with a mix of football and Jeux Sans Frontiers

Next year’s rule here is that it’s not handball if your arms are in the position of a natural silhouette, which at least acknowledges that the only natural position is not having your hands behind your back, but it’s still a very grey area.

And at the same time they have made a rule that if a goal is scored that involves any contact with the hand/arm, deliberate or not, will be overruled.

So one slightly more liberal interpretation and the first move towards any contact with the hand/arm is a foul, at which point football becomes a game of aim to kick the ball against a defenders arms and appeal for the penalty. At which point the game will die that little bit more.

The definition of handball is becoming as absurd as a catch in the NFL.

[AlexB]

Oops

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/47508257

[AlexB]

Some fucktard has just run onto the pitch and assaulted Jack Grealish in the Birmingham/Villa match (swinging arm from behind)

And the vast majority of Birmingham fans in that area are celebrating

WTF is wrong with society?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by AlexB

Some fucktard has just run onto the pitch and assaulted Jack Grealish in the Birmingham/Villa match (swinging arm from behind)

And the vast majority of Birmingham fans in that are celebrating

WTF is wrong with society?

Watching the Liverpool game and they just teased they have shocking news coming up. I am assuming this is it.

[miami_fan]

WTF??? (first reaction)

(Second reaction) When was the last time a club the size of Birmingham City has to play games behind closed doors in England?

[Lathum]

Just saw the video, crazy stuff.
How he was able to get all the way across the pitch like that is nuts. I hope he gets a lengthy prison sentence to deter others.

[miami_fan]

I just realized this game is on ESPN+ so I will check out the buildup to the incident later.

Maybe an Aston Villa player jumped into the stands and assaulted someone first

[SirFozzie]

Jack Grealish punched from behind by Birmingham City pitch invader! - YouTube

[kingfc22]

Zidane back in at Madrid

[miami_fan]

Jack Grealish - fan jailed for 14 weeks for assault on Aston Villa player in Birmingham derby

How the hell did this legal process happen so fast? I mean kudos but I mean from jumping on the pitch to 14 weeks in jail in what 30 hours?

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

Jack Grealish - fan jailed for 14 weeks for assault on Aston Villa player in Birmingham derby

How the hell did this legal process happen so fast? I mean kudos but I mean from jumping on the pitch to 14 weeks in jail in what 30 hours?

That there were about 2 million witnesses and multiple cameras probably helped

I imagine it was explained to him that by admitting guilt early he would get a reduced sentence, and it meant he didn’t have to go back home, as he had had multiple threats issued against him. Self preservation was probably a major in this, it will have calmed down in the 7 weeks when he is released

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by AlexB

That there were about 2 million witnesses and multiple cameras probably helped

I imagine it was explained to him that by admitting guilt early he would get a reduced sentence, and it meant he didn’t have to go back home, as he had had multiple threats issued against him. Self preservation was probably a major in this, it will have calmed down in the 7 weeks when he is released

I don’t have any evidence that it would not be the same here. It just feels like there would have been an initial hearing today and then sentencing would have happened next month.

[whomario]

Cant link it right now for some reason, but for the most weirdly amzing non-goal of the season put “Haraguchi snow Leverkusen“ into YouTube, just insane that that game wasnt postponed ...

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by whomario

Cant link it right now for some reason, but for the most weirdly amzing non-goal of the season put “Haraguchi snow Leverkusen“ into YouTube, just insane that that game wasnt postponed ...

I saw that, the guy did everything right too. Unlucky!

[BishopMVP]

Chicago just signed a 14 year old GK. Definitely a little interesting - he does have dual US & Polish citizenship, so maybe this is a move to keep him from going to a European academy (or getting paid if he does). Chicago Fire Soccer Club Signs Academy Product Gabriel Slonina | Chicago Fire

[miami_fan]

The sport of soccer is just going to wait for the worst cast scenario before they take head injuries seriously aren't they?

Comment sparked by the Ospina injury in the Napoli v Udinese match.

[kingfc22]

Just saw that. Beyond idiotic

[bhlloy]

I shouldn't feel joy or happiness about the failing of another celtic nation, and nearly all the Scots I know are awesome people, but god damn if Scotland losing 3-0 in Kazakhstan who scored 6 goals total all of last qualifying campaign doesn't put an inexplicable smile on my face...

[miami_fan]

Confirmed: Ole Gunnar Solskjaer appointed as full-time Man Utd manager | Manchester United

[miami_fan]

I leave the gym, get in the car and the Cardiff-Chelsea game comes on. Cardiff up 1-0. During the ten minute drive to my mom's house, Sarri subs on Giroux and the Chelsea fans are chanting "You don't know what you're doing!" and "We want Sarri out!". I leave the car, return to the car about 15 minutes later and Chelsea won the game 2-1? WTF

[SirFozzie]

Talk about a mixed bag for Spurs, looks like they're going to steal a home Champions League win over Citeh, but Kane might be out for the rest of the season

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Talk about a mixed bag for Spurs, looks like they're going to steal a home Champions League win over Citeh, but Kane might be out for the rest of the season

I know it is sacrilege but is it possible that Son has been better for them this season? More important?

[miami_fan]

Ciao! Juve!

[HomerSimpson98]

I havent seen Ajax play all season and I dont know if yesterday was a fluke or not. But damn! What an impressive team to watch. The way the move, move the ball, and play as a team was really fun to watch. Reminded me of Arsenal back in the day.


I was so impressed I watched that whole damn game in Spanish since it was the only channel offered.

[miami_fan]

I guess I missed some things in the first twenty minutes of Man City v Spurs game.

[bhlloy]

That is the greatest game for a neutral I think I've ever seen. On reflection VAR got it right, on the other hand it's incredible that somehow City didn't win that. What an unbelievable game.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

I guess I missed some things in the first twenty minutes of Man City v Spurs game.

Missed some things in the last 5 too if you weren't watching!

I guess I don't understand the offside rule if Erikson was passing it back (incredibly stupidly) and it merely deflected off a City player to Aguero.

[Ajaxab]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

That is the greatest game for a neutral I think I've ever seen.

Agreed...I can think back to past finals when United beat Bayern in '99 on 2 late goals and Liverpool's comeback against Milan in '05 as good games, but this one was on another level with all of the emotional ebbs and flows, the stakes involved, the weight of City hoping to win a Champions League title under Pep, and Pochettino just trying to keep Spurs from being Spursy without Harry Kane. And who would have thought Llorente would be the guy who scores the winning goal, but does it completely accidentally in such controversial fashion? Craziest match I think I've ever seen.

[bhlloy]

I didn't understand the Llorente substitution in any way shape or form, I guess joke is on me given he won the game for them in the sense that it bounced off his hip/hand? Kinda ironic given all the insane talent and skill on that field that it was such a crappy goal from such a questionably talented player that won it. Just a bizarre game all around.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Missed some things in the last 5 too if you weren't watching!

I guess I don't understand the offside rule if Erikson was passing it back (incredibly stupidly) and it merely deflected off a City player to Aguero.

Well I missed the visuals but I did catch the radio call.

[MIJB#19]

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson98

I havent seen Ajax play all season and I dont know if yesterday was a fluke or not. But damn! What an impressive team to watch. The way the move, move the ball, and play as a team was really fun to watch. Reminded me of Arsenal back in the day.


I was so impressed I watched that whole damn game in Spanish since it was the only channel offered.

Not a fluke, this is Ajax as it has been all season. They reminded me of, well, Ajax. The team from the mid '90s.

I have to admit, I postponed my UEFA Champions League boycott for a bit to allow myself to watch this return match.

[miked]

Ugh, another bad loss by ATLUTD. The only saving grace was a PK in injury time. I'm not sure you can blame de Boer when we hit 2 posts and miss 2 open goals, but the players seem so uninspired and confused out on the pitch. It could not be a more different style than Tata last year.

On a side note, it seems to be the new tactic to beat Atlanta. Just lay on the pitch rolling around every 5 minutes. Last night's game had 11+ minutes of total stoppage time (most if not all of it from Dallas), a yellow card on the Dallas goalie for time wasting, and a lot of fouls. One guy on Dallas rolled around for 2 minutes, called for a stretcher, and as soon as the stretcher got to him, got up and jogged off the pitch.

[miami_fan]

Another reason why players need to throw themselves on the ground to get penalties.

[miami_fan]

We always discuss how far teams should and do take sportsmanship in leiu of winning. In soccer, it mainly comes up as to whether teams should stop play when a player is injured or play on and make the referee stop play. This came up in this two clips.

Back Story:
Leeds United (in white) was fighting to get into the second automatic promotion spot from the English Championship to the Preimier League. They played Aston Villa and this happened.



and then Leeds manager Marcelo Bielsa told his team to do this



Match ended in a draw. Leeds now have to go through the playoffs.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

We always discuss how far teams should and do take sportsmanship in leiu of winning.

Zero doubt I'd sack the manager.
Very iffy whether I'd retain any player except the one who tried to defend.

[Critch]

Play to the whistle. It wasnt Leeds fault that Villa didnt, it's not their responsibility to stop the game when Villa had a player down, it's up to the referee to blow the whistle if he thinks the injury is serious. If I was a Leeds fan, I'd be annoyed at Bielsa gifting the equalizer.

Not that it really makes any difference, Leeds wouldnt be getting the automatic promotion spot even with a win today.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Critch

Play to the whistle. It wasnt Leeds fault that Villa didnt, it's not their responsibility to stop the game when Villa had a player down, it's up to the referee to blow the whistle if he thinks the injury is serious. If I was a Leeds fan, I'd be annoyed at Bielsa gifting the equalizer.

Not that it really makes any difference, Leeds wouldnt be getting the automatic promotion spot even with a win today.

I agree. I am 100% percent convinced that Bielsa does not do the same thing if the spying controversy does not happen earlier in the season. Here was his quote from after the game

"We gave the goal back," Bielsa said. "English football is known for its sportsmanship, so I don't need to comment on this kind of thing, which is common in English football."

That sounds like something you would say after you were found guilty of not acting in ‘utmost good faith’.

[miami_fan]

it will be interesting to hear what other managers say this week when asked. I am seeing a few “fair plays” already. Unwritten rules, I tell ya.

[whomario]

Originally Posted by Critch

Play to the whistle. It wasnt Leeds fault that Villa didnt, it's not their responsibility to stop the game when Villa had a player down, it's up to the referee to blow the whistle if he thinks the injury is serious. If I was a Leeds fan, I'd be annoyed at Bielsa gifting the equalizer.

Not that it really makes any difference, Leeds wouldnt be getting the automatic promotion spot even with a win today.

No offense, but the Leeds player on the ball clearly indicated he was going to stop playing, then played that pass into space, creating the chance.

[whomario]

Also, this Messi guy is half decent




https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1123709192064446464

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by whomario

Also, this Messi guy is half decent




The Pop 🗯 on Twitter: "This view of Messi’s free kick...

Wow. 🤯

#Messi600 #Messi �#ChampionsLeague #UCL

https://t.co/n8iNO1z5gc"

I burst out in uncontrollable laughter when I saw it. Just ridiculous.

[whomario]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

I burst out in uncontrollable laughter when I saw it. Just ridiculous.

I was rooting for Liverpool because i always had a soft spot for them and Klopp is a Dortmund legend, but ... Once you see Messi play and he is on his game (and he was yesterday), you can't even be mad/sad about 'your' team losing.

[miami_fan]

Are Spurs players intentionally trying to get sent off in order to rest for the Champions League match?

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

We always discuss how far teams should and do take sportsmanship in leiu of winning. In soccer, it mainly comes up as to whether teams should stop play when a player is injured or play on and make the referee stop play. This came up in this two clips.

Back Story:
Leeds United (in white) was fighting to get into the second automatic promotion spot from the English Championship to the Preimier League. They played Aston Villa and this happened.



and then Leeds manager Marcelo Bielsa told his team to do this



Match ended in a draw. Leeds now have to go through the playoffs.

Sportsmanship/Play to the whistle Part Two

Plymouth Argyle and Scunthorpe United both trying to avoid relegation from English League One. Forward the video to the 1:05 mark

Plymouth v Scunthorpe - YouTube

[Warhammer]

Well, 11 games into the season and FC Cincinnati has fired Alan Koch, Yoann Damet takes over as interim coach.

[ISiddiqui]

As interim. Apparently David Moyes and Alan Pardew have been linked to the job.. which may not be terrible for FCC at the moment.

[Warhammer]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

As interim. Apparently David Moyes and Alan Pardew have been linked to the job.. which may not be terrible for FCC at the moment.

I would be happy with both, I was not a huge Koch fan. He coached like a scout, roll the ball out and let the players make plays. He was great for roster construction, but after our first few games, teams basically bunkered down and played the counter. Since we never had a plan in the attack besides making a play, we've been held scoreless for a ton of minutes.