NFL 2018 Season Thread

[PilotMan]

God this is a great headline:

Kristin Cavallari Says Jay Cutler Unclogged Her Milk Ducts By 'Sucking Harder Than He's Ever Sucked'


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[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Looks like the prosecutor was a wee bit overzealous (Although what Kraft IS accused of doing is still illegal, just that there was no human trafficking involved)

TMZ: Suspects from Spa in Robert Kraft Case Not Charged with Sex Trafficking | Bleacher Report | Latest News, Videos and Highlights

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/17/us/ro...ase/index.html

I see how it is. Everybody loves Florida's Sunshine law when it comes to finding material for your Florida man jokes but all of a sudden when it's Robert Kraft now we are worried about fairness? Follow the law! Show everyone else the video!*

*By everyone else I mean everyone but me. I don't care and I have no desire to see any of the people involved getting "massages"

[stevew]

Frank Clark to the Chiefs for some significant stuff(1st, and 2020 second)

[Logan]

When did teams start giving up big assets for guys in trades AND give them UFA open market level new deals?

Feel like I missed something.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by stevew

Frank Clark to the Chiefs for some significant stuff(1st, and 2020 second)

There were also rumors out there today that my beloved Cards were going to trade Patrick Peterson to the Chiefs too, but that seems to have dissolved. Who knows if he ends up somewhere else though. Still no Josh Rosen trade last I heard.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by stevew

Frank Clark to the Chiefs for some significant stuff(1st, and 2020 second)

Clark has been a good player and definitely stepped it up a notch last year, but I like this deal for Seattle. Last year really struck me as a classic "contract year" kind of performance. Maybe Clark can maintain that level, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if his effort level now that he got his big money contract eases up a bit.

With the #21 and #29 picks now I expect the Seahawks will look to deal down from the #21 to pick up extras, and maybe from the #29 as well since they still only have five picks right now.

[stevew]

The franchise tag is just a complete abomination. Neither seattle nor Kansas City really engaged their player in serious contract talks and traded them.

I just think if the price is 2 #1s to sign a franchise player, the team shouldn't be able to restrict the player's movement and then ship him out for less. These guys get 1 shot to get paid usually.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by stevew

The franchise tag is just a complete abomination. Neither seattle nor Kansas City really engaged their player in serious contract talks and traded them.

I just think if the price is 2 #1s to sign a franchise player, the team shouldn't be able to restrict the player's movement and then ship him out for less. These guys get 1 shot to get paid usually.

I'm normally very biased towards the players in these kinds of debates, but it's hard for me to see how Clark was harmed with all of this.

[stevew]

His movement was restricted to only 1 team which had to part with fairly significant capital to acquire him.

[dawgfan]

Originally Posted by stevew

His movement was restricted to only 1 team which had to part with fairly significant capital to acquire him.

Sure, and that's valid. The counterpoint would be he got a contract that appears to match DeMarcus Lawrence for tops among edge guys and was moved to a definite Super Bowl contender.

[sabotai]

Everyone says that outside of Kyler Murray, the QBs in this draft wouldn't be in the top 4 or 5 in last year's or next year's draft. And the Giants are going to need to find Eli's successor very soon.

I've watched a bunch of Haskins's plays from this season, as well as Drew Lock. From what I've seen, Haskins looks like a really good QB. Lock, on the other hand, would worry me. The best of Lock beats the best of Haskins, but the worst of Lock is really fucking bad. It's a hard no from me on Daniel Jones, and I haven't looked at Will Grier.

So on one hand, all of the experts seem to think the QBs in this draft aren't that good, but on the other hand...Haskins looks pretty good to me. Of course, the biggest factor in whether a QB is a success at the pro level is how well he reads an NFL defense, and I can't see that on tape.

The Giants have 3 big needs going into the draft, and they have 2 first round picks. They need a offensive tackle, they need pass rushers, and they need Eli's successor. If the price to trade up for Murray or Haskins (assuming they'd have to) is too high, then I'd be fine if at the end of tonight, they had 2 defensive players or 1 defensive player and an offensive tackle. But if Haskins falls to 6, I think I'll be very disappointed if the Giants don't draft him. From what I've seen, I don't want the G-Men to use the #6 pick on any QB outside of Haskins or Murray.

[bhlloy]

Time for my laughably bad QB predictions that I can cringe at in a couple of years. I think Grier could be a bit of a sleeper, everything about Jones and Lock tell me that they will be busts.

Haskins is a really strange one. You could tell me he's anything from JaMarcus Russell to a perennial all star and I could see it happening. It wouldn't make me very happy as a GM to spend a top 10 pick on him, but I think you'd do it on upside alone.

[tarcone]

Iowa will have 2 TEs drafted in the 1st round. Ive seen top5 for Hock and around 12 for Fant.

That is just crazy

[Izulde]

Yeah, everything about Jones screams backup to me. I actually think the best QB in this class will end up being Tyree Jackson. Just a gut hunch.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Iowa will have 2 TEs drafted in the 1st round. Ive seen top5 for Hock and around 12 for Fant.

That is just crazy

Oh god, please don't have GB take Fant at 12. Hock at 12 would be OK - but this team needs front 7 and OL help. Drafting a project receiving TE at 12 would be awful

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by sabotai

Everyone says that outside of Kyler Murray, the QBs in this draft wouldn't be in the top 4 or 5 in last year's or next year's draft. And the Giants are going to need to find Eli's successor very soon.

I've watched a bunch of Haskins's plays from this season, as well as Drew Lock. From what I've seen, Haskins looks like a really good QB. Lock, on the other hand, would worry me. The best of Lock beats the best of Haskins, but the worst of Lock is really fucking bad. It's a hard no from me on Daniel Jones, and I haven't looked at Will Grier.

So on one hand, all of the experts seem to think the QBs in this draft aren't that good, but on the other hand...Haskins looks pretty good to me. Of course, the biggest factor in whether a QB is a success at the pro level is how well he reads an NFL defense, and I can't see that on tape.

The Giants have 3 big needs going into the draft, and they have 2 first round picks. They need a offensive tackle, they need pass rushers, and they need Eli's successor. If the price to trade up for Murray or Haskins (assuming they'd have to) is too high, then I'd be fine if at the end of tonight, they had 2 defensive players or 1 defensive player and an offensive tackle. But if Haskins falls to 6, I think I'll be very disappointed if the Giants don't draft him. From what I've seen, I don't want the G-Men to use the #6 pick on any QB outside of Haskins or Murray.

Everything I have seen is Giants going edge rusher, likely Allen from KY, at 6. then taking QB at 17, Jones or Locke. I agree with you on Locke, disagree on Jones. I think he is going to be a good pro. Not a Haskins fan. I don't like QBs who only started one year. Rumor is the skins only target is Haskins, should tell you something.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by Arles

Oh god, please don't have GB take Fant at 12. Hock at 12 would be OK - but this team needs front 7 and OL help. Drafting a project receiving TE at 12 would be awful

Fant is an athletic freak. 6'5" 250 runs a 4.51. And you know Rodgers wants help.

His hands are average, but he is far from a project.

[Lathum]

Is there a better face of the league right now than Mahomes? Kid is obviously an amazing talent but is also so damn likeable and articulate.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Is there a better face of the league right now than Mahomes? Kid is obviously an amazing talent but is also so damn likeable and articulate.

I dont agree with you much, but on this point, I agree 100%. Just a baller thats a good dude.

[tarcone]

Detroit guy is high on Hock

The Detroit Lions should draft Iowa TE T.J. Hockenson - Pride Of Detroit

I agree with his assessment. Hock is going to be a great one.

[bob]

Can’t wait to see how the Lions waste his career

[bhlloy]

Hopefully Kyler’s decision making on an NFL field is better than his dress sense. Looks like a peptobismol bottle in a corset.

[tarcone]

Robin Roberts outfit is very distracting. What a terrible choice.

Taylor Swift? Really?

[tarcone]

Lee Corso? Man, I cant watch this.

[Izulde]

Such utter horseshit the networks have shut off the streaming options for cable cutters unless you fork out $45-50 a month.

[tarcone]

Goodell must be the most hated man in all of football

[bhlloy]

Aw man, I really wanted the Nashville crowd to boo Mariota. That would have been brilliant if Goodell's staged handoff had fallen flat on it's face.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by sabotai

From what I've seen, I don't want the G-Men to use the #6 pick on any QB outside of Haskins or Murray.

That's reasonable enough, though I'm not at all sure I'd want to use a top 6 on those two either honestly. This ain't the year to be looking for the QB of the Future IMO.

[bhlloy]

I think Murray can play, but I'm skeptical about the fit with the Cards for a number of reasons. Firstly, this is going to be a terrible team for a while, and if Kingsbury is gone after two seasons are you going to hope there's a guy out there who keeps the same offense, even if by that point the offense doesn't look like it can fit? And secondly, the second you make that pick you aren't getting anything close to the draft capital back you spent on Rosen. At least if they'd got a first in the weeks leading up to the draft you'd know it would make a bit more sense.

Maybe it's not Kyler and it's the greatest smoke screen ever. Let's see.

[tarcone]

The Cards have Rosen? Why Murray?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by tarcone

The Cards have Rosen? Why Murray?

Because Kingsbury wants him. He likely doesn't take the job without the agreement he can bring in his guy

[Lathum]

dola-

NFL network just said a Big 10 QB hasn't been taken in the first round since Kerry Collins in 1995. I find that amazing.

[Swaggs]

I hope there is an early run on QBs.

I’d like to see some over-reaches so the Steelers can get an impact defensive player or one of the TEs.

[tarcone]

Kingsbury better be a hell of a coach or Arizona will be terrible for a decade.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Why Murray?

It's because

Originally Posted by tarcone

The Cards have Rosen

[tarcone]

Whats the cap hit on Rosen?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Whats the cap hit on Rosen?

Minimal on the rookie contract but they will trade him and get a pretty good deal. The fact he makes such little money will be a big draw for teams.

[NobodyHere]

The 49ers pick the Trump fan

[molson]

Taking QBs in consecutive first rounds of drafts isn't ideal. I had to look it up, the only other time it happened was the Colts taking Art Schlichter at #4 one year and Elway at #1 the next year.

So the only other time a team bailed on a first round QB so quickly was when he was indefinitely suspended for gambling by the time the next draft came around. Fine company.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Minimal on the rookie contract but they will trade him and get a pretty good deal. The fact he makes such little money will be a big draw for teams.

They won’t get close to the #10 pick though, so I don’t think it can possibly be a good deal. All they did was make a sensible pick, completely tank his value on an awful team and then try to flip him.

[molson]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

They won’t get close to the #10 pick though, so I don’t think it can possibly be a good deal. All they did was make a sensible pick, completely tank his value on an awful team and then try to flip him.

Ya, I think if they could have gotten even a 2nd for him it would have happened by now. Such a waste.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

They won’t get close to the #10 pick though, so I don’t think it can possibly be a good deal. All they did was make a sensible pick, completely tank his value on an awful team and then try to flip him.

Of course they will get pennies on the dollar, but at this point it is a sunk cost. I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants dealt the 17th pick for him

[tarcone]

But we are talking the Giants and Redskins. They will surely overpay.

[tarcone]

Did they say Mike Mayock is the GM of the Raiders?

[bhlloy]

Yeah, the best they can hope is there’s an insane run on QB, there’s literally nobody left for tomorrow and one of the teams on the outside looking in trades them their second. Otherwise they are flipping him before training camp and it’s going to be a bad return. There’s no way they can keep him as the backup.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by molson

Taking QBs in consecutive first rounds of drafts isn't ideal. I had to look it up, the only other time it happened was the Colts taking Art Schlichter at #4 one year and Elway at #1 the next year.

So the only other time a team bailed on a first round QB so quickly was when he was indefinitely suspended for gambling by the time the next draft came around. Fine company.

Well at least Elway worked out for the Colts.

[tarcone]

Raiders in the market for TE. Hock?

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Raiders in the market for TE. Hock?

Never mind. 13 sacks last season? Thats terrible

[Lathum]

Raiders gonna Raider

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Did they say Mike Mayock is the GM of the Raiders?

Yep.

Well, I don't know what they said, but he is.