2020 Democratic Primaries/General Election Thread

[JPhillips]

Yeah, that was a really nice message. Maybe being lost in the wilderness for a few years has changed her.

[JPhillips]

dola

A lot of the GOP is going full bore on Harris not being black enough to be black.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

Trump donated to Kamala Harris twice as private citizen: NBC News - Business Insider

"Records show that Trump donated to Kamala Harris' campaigns twice while he was a private citizen"

I don't know why this would be shocking, considering Trump also donated to Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Harry Reid and Rahm Emanuel in the past.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

dola

A lot of the GOP is going full bore on Harris not being black enough to be black.

And add a vote for Harris means it was never about morals but to screw trump.

The mental gymnastics these people go through is truly impressive.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Who is this classy lady, and what has she done with Sarah Palin???

Congrats To The Democrat VP Pick! Here's Some Advice And Lessons That We Have Learned - SARAH PALIN

Isn't getting advice from Palin on how to be a VP sort of like taking lessons from the Ford family on how to run a NFL team?

[Flasch186]

They're taking the racist bait hook, line, and sinker.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

Trump donated to Kamala Harris twice as private citizen: NBC News - Business Insider

"Records show that Trump donated to Kamala Harris' campaigns twice while he was a private citizen"

Businessmen feel politicians might be for sale?

Story at 11

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Isn't getting advice from Palin on how to be a VP sort of like taking lessons from the Ford family on how to run a NFL team?

Those who fail can more easily point out the potholes.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Businessmen feel politicians might be for sale?

Story at 11

I know this has already been forgiven by his voters, but, I have no principles and will do whatever I think will make more money, isn't a better message.

[JPhillips]

dola

Trumpers moving on to Kamala is a whore.

That will get the suburban women back.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

dola

Trumpers moving on to Kamala is a whore.

That will get the suburban women back.

Say what now?

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Say what now?

Longstanding rumor on the right that she gave oral to a male superior for a promotion. I'm assuming that one has popped up again.

[JPhillips]

Eric Trump liked a whorendous choice tweet.

Whorendous is becoming a popular attack.

[Vegas Vic]

This is just a hypothetical question, not meant to be morbid. If Biden were to pass away before the election, would Harris be the presidential nominee or would the DNC or their delegates vote on a replacement candidate?

[bronconick]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...s-over-part-2/

Joshua Tucker: Okay, let’s continue where we left off. What happens if the party’s nominee dies or withdraws after having been officially nominated but before the November election?

Richard Pildes: This puts the ball in the hands of the “national political parties,” which for this purpose means the legal entities known as the Democratic and Republican national committees.

The Democratic National Committee has a clear rule for this situation. The 447 members of the Democratic National Committee, the entity that formally hosts the convention, would choose the new nominee. The DNC chair, currently Tom Perez, is required to consult with the Democratic leadership in Congress and with the Democratic Governors Association. After the consultation, the chair provides a report to the DNC members, who then make the choice.

The RNC has a similar rule

[GrantDawg]

It would probably be Kamala at this point. I really can't think of another realistic option.

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[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

I'm assuming that one has popped up again.

[GrantDawg]

We now have at least one law professor saying that she is not a natural born citizen because her parents were not citizens. She was born in Oakland, but according to him that is not enough to make her a "natural born citizen."

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[Kodos]

Welcome to Obama is a Kenyan Part II.

[Vegas Vic]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

It would probably be Kamala at this point. I really can't think of another realistic option.

I don't think that's necessarily true. For whatever reason, her presidential campaign never really caught fire with Democratic voters, peaking at 15% after the early debates. She dropped out of the race when her poll numbers dropped into the single digits.

I think you'd see a lot of angry Sanders, Warren, Bloomberg, Klobuchar and Buttigieg voters if she was anointed by the DNC.

[GrantDawg]

Oh, there would definitely be people upset. That is going to be true of whoever would be picked. But if he passed after the nominations are official next week, I can't see any way they could pick someone else. They are never going to pick Sanders (and really, how can they pick someone who is not an actual member of the party?). No one has enough delegates to make a real power play, not that the delegates would be bound after the convention anyway.
Optically, it would be a terrible look to nominate her as Vice President, in essence saying that she is ready to take over as president if something happened to Biden, and then not put her on the top of the ticket if he died before the election.

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[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Longstanding rumor on the right that she gave oral to a male superior for a promotion. I'm assuming that one has popped up again.

That's been a rumor in California for a long time.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Longstanding rumor on the right that she gave oral to a male superior for a promotion. I'm assuming that one has popped up again.

I think that rumor goes to any female politician.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I think that rumor goes to any female politician.

exactlly. god forbid a woman enjoys sex, and yes, I am aware this isn't necessarily about that.

[Flasch186]

Let me make sure I have this right for how this onion is being pulled back or let me know what incremental connection I'm missing:

Human Trafficking is awful
Sex Trafficking is awful
Child sex trafficking is awful
Adults who participate in child sex trafficking are awful
Adults who have money fund this trafficking and are awful
Adults who have money are elitists and they're awful
Elitists are made up of Hollywood elitists and they're awful
Hollywood Elitists are liberals and they're awful
Liberals are child sex traffickers and they're awful

[molson]

She dated Willie Brown, so it probably evolved from that.

IMO, her record is remarkably clean and full of accomplishments all things considered. It's one thing to just be a voice of opposition, or to even just exist in the comfortable world of Congress on your own terms where you can just vote and develop and maintain your political identity. It's another to actually work in the imperfect systems themselves, especially in such a high profile and flawed place like California, as both a DA and AG, especially the latter, whose role isn't always fully understood by voters. It's impossible to do that without developing some things to criticize, but that's the cost of being in the battle rather than just complaining about it from the private sector or Congress.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by molson

She dated Willie Brown, so it probably evolved from that.

IMO, her record is remarkably clean and full of accomplishments all things considered. It's one thing to just be a voice of opposition, or to even just exist in the comfortable world of Congress on your own terms where you can just vote and develop and maintain your political identity. It's another to actually work in the imperfect systems themselves, especially in such a high profile and flawed place like California, as both a DA and AG, especially the latter, whose role isn't always fully understood by voters. It's impossible to do that without developing some things to criticize, but that's the cost of being in the battle rather than just complaining about it from the private sector or Congress.

Sadly, there are a certain section of voters that more interested in "purity test" than actually getting things done. That segment is never going to be happy with anyone.

[molson]

One of the most useful documents I have in my office has Harris' name on it. Just a huge California AG-developed detailed reference guide to a type of legal issue I deal with a lot. It's gold. I got it at a training her office either put together or produced materials for. Sadly its becoming outdated. I don't think they produce stuff like this anymore. But its a small daily reminder of the practical functionality and organization she brought to whatever office she was heading.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

Trump donated to Kamala Harris twice as private citizen: NBC News - Business Insider

"Records show that Trump donated to Kamala Harris' campaigns twice while he was a private citizen"

They donated so that she wouldn't go after them for their Trump University scam. And it worked, she didn't pursue charges.

If anything this would be a GOP ad showing how for a few grand she can be bought.

[GrantDawg]

What? She donated all that money to charity. So you are saying she sold her integrity for a few thousand that in no way benefitted her? Sure.

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[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

What? She donated all that money to charity. So you are saying she sold her integrity for a few thousand that in no way benefitted her? Sure.

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She allegedly gave the money to charity in 2015 when he declared he was running. Mind you, this is just a claim by her team and they have not shown where the money was donated to.

Trump donated in 2011 and 2013. The idea that this money was given away is silly. She held on to it for 4 years all the way through an election.

Mnuchin also didn't need to donate much to get himself out of massive mortgage fraud. So yes, I think she sells her integrity for pretty cheap.

[GrantDawg]

So, 4 grand buys a get out of jail free card? How did any drug dealer ever get charged? They couldn't swing a couple of grand?
The far left is a stupid and gullible as the far right.

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[GrantDawg]

Why did anybody in California ever hire a lawyer, when at the fraction of the cost you could buy the AG.

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[Flasch186]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

She allegedly gave the money to charity in 2015 when he declared he was running. Mind you, this is just a claim by her team and they have not shown where the money was donated to.

Trump donated in 2011 and 2013. The idea that this money was given away is silly. She held on to it for 4 years all the way through an election.

Mnuchin also didn't need to donate much to get himself out of massive mortgage fraud. So yes, I think she sells her integrity for pretty cheap.

money is fungible

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

So, 4 grand buys a get out of jail free card? How did any drug dealer ever get charged? They couldn't swing a couple of grand?
The far left is a stupid and gullible as the far right.

A drug dealer is a red flag and not something we view as acceptable as a public. White collar criminals on the other hand have a societal expectation that they are above the law (and are).

So explain to me why Steve Mnuchin wasn't prosecuted? Why was Harris the only Democrat he donated to?

[RainMaker]

Also love that it is "far left" to think someone who committed billions in mortgage fraud should be charged with breaking the law. How far left do you have to go for a crime to be considered a crime in your book?

[GrantDawg]

Because they were a federal bank, so it needed to be done federally. She did get billions from state banks, and worked to pass the law to close the loophole that Mnuchin used to skate. But of course according to you, a few thousands in donations would have saved those other banks billions. If they only knew she was that cheap.

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[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Because they were a federal bank, so it needed to be done federally. She did get billions from state banks, and worked to pass the law to close the loophole that Mnuchin used to skate. But of course according to you, a few thousands in donations would have saved those other banks billions. If they only knew she was that cheap.

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No it didn't. They broke California law. Prosecutors in her office built up a strong case and wanted to file a civil enforcement, but she declined to do so. You can read the official memo.

OneWest Package Memo

Again, why were they given a pass? Why was she the only Democrat he was donating to? You can't argue that she's "soft on crime". She was prosecuting homeless women over truancy laws.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

So, 4 grand buys a get out of jail free card? How did any drug dealer ever get charged? They couldn't swing a couple of grand?
The far left is a stupid and gullible as the far right.

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Kamala took their monies via civil asset forfeiture which she supported.

[GrantDawg]

"Under prosecutors disagree with the AG. Film at 11". It is the kind of thing that comes up all the time in that position. You have to decide whether you actually do have a case or not. This would not be the first time a DA or an AG didn't agree with her staff.
She did prosecute several mortgage lenders and won billions of dollars for the state. What do you think the chances are that some/most/all had board members that had donated to her? Was their money not enough? They didn't give the secret handshake?

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[GrantDawg]

Btw, for the record I am very much for campaign reform. Large donations buy access to candidates that should be curbed. I don't disagree at all that money has too much influence in politics.
But what you are suggesting is straight up bribery. I have a feeling that it would take way more than a few thousand dollars given to a campaign to make that worth while.

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[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

"Under prosecutors disagree with the AG. Film at 11". It is the kind of thing that comes up all the time in that position. You have to decide whether you actually do have a case or not. This would not be the first time a DA or an AG didn't agree with her staff.
She did prosecute several mortgage lenders and won billions of dollars for the state. What do you think the chances are that some/most/all had board members that had donated to her? Was their money not enough? They didn't give the secret handshake?

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Why do you think Mnuchin chose some random district attorney to donate to out of all the Democrats in the country? Do you think its a coincidence that that one Democrat had the power to cause massive legal problems for his fraudulent bank?

[RainMaker]

Are people really surprised that the Democratic establishment is bought and paid for by the financial sector? Wasn't it a red flag when Obama did jack shit for 8 years despite their massive fraud schemes?

Don't worry, I am sure the guy who spent his life in the Senate fighting for credit card companies will change that.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Why do you think Mnuchin chose some random district attorney to donate to out of all the Democrats in the country? Do you think its a coincidence that that one Democrat had the power to cause massive legal problems for his fraudulent bank?

I am sure he did for why most people do it. He wanted access. I am not saying that is fine, either. He just doesn't prove a quid-pro-quo. Again, I am quite for campaign finance reform. I don't buy the idea every donor then completely owns you and you are willing to break the law for for them.
I also agree that democrats in general are too cozy with Wall Street. I wish for stronger regulations on that sector. Guess what, though? Allowing Trump to win is not going to fix that. I wish Biden wasn't the candidate. He wasn't my first, second, third or fourth pick. I still will vote him. Because the alternative is so much worse.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

This is just a hypothetical question, not meant to be morbid. If Biden were to pass away before the election, would Harris be the presidential nominee or would the DNC or their delegates vote on a replacement candidate?

Good question. Biden is looking older and older everytime I see him, he needs a better makeup team. My guess is there will be backroom dealings but Harris will still end up as the nominee.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Are people really surprised that the Democratic establishment is bought and paid for by the financial sector? Wasn't it a red flag when Obama did jack shit for 8 years despite their massive fraud schemes?

Some of us just don't think it's as big of a problem as you do. For example, a while back you scoffed at the idea that anyone would get prosecuted for insider trading when the SEC demonstrably has it as one of their top priorities and are constantly prosecuting people for it. Do a crapton of people still get away with it? Absolutely, but that's true of pretty much every law on the books - our desire to make laws is far stronger than our desire to enforce them and it has been since at least before Prohibition and perhaps forever.

I agree with GrantDawg that it doesn't past the smell test for a few thousand in campaign contributions to get this done here. I also agree with you that there's a lot of issues in ignoring white-collar crime. Just saying that we should see the problems for what they are, not what IMO is a grossly exaggerated caricature.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Why do you think Mnuchin chose some random district attorney to donate to out of all the Democrats in the country? Do you think its a coincidence that that one Democrat had the power to cause massive legal problems for his fraudulent bank?

You think she was bought for a $2,000 price tag in a Senate campaign where she raised $9 million?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

You think she was bought for a $2,000 price tag in a Senate campaign where she raised $9 million?

His wife donated like $10k for her District Attorney campaign. And his bank donated $6k.

I'm sure just an honest gesture from them.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

Some of us just don't think it's as big of a problem as you do. For example, a while back you scoffed at the idea that anyone would get prosecuted for insider trading when the SEC demonstrably has it as one of their top priorities and are constantly prosecuting people for it. Do a crapton of people still get away with it? Absolutely, but that's true of pretty much every law on the books - our desire to make laws is far stronger than our desire to enforce them and it has been since at least before Prohibition and perhaps forever.

I agree with GrantDawg that it doesn't past the smell test for a few thousand in campaign contributions to get this done here. I also agree with you that there's a lot of issues in ignoring white-collar crime. Just saying that we should see the problems for what they are, not what IMO is a grossly exaggerated caricature.

I know most people don't think it's a problem. Looting a store for some Nike shoes is a big problem that requires the National Guard. Destroying $30 trillion in the world's wealth through massive fraud is not a big deal.

Wonder why one gets a pass and the other gets folks with bayonets on their guns?

[GrantDawg]

So, somehow now the people that disagree with you think that looters should be stabbed. Same old, same old. The reason the Bernie bros turn off so many people. "If you don't agree with my every point, then you hate poor people." It is not a winning argument.

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