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View Poll Results: If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next
Normal transition of power. He meets with Biden, stays until 1/20, comes to inauguration, etc. 5 5.56%
He doesn't fight the result, but resigns prior to the inauguration. 2 2.22%
He fights the result but gives up shortly before the inauguration (let's define "shortly" as "some time after the EC meets on 12/14") 30 33.33%
He fights the result all the way to January 20th. Has to be physically removed. 12 13.33%
He fights the result for a short time, but gives up and resigns before the inauguration 6 6.67%
He fights the result for a short time, but gives up an then we have a normal transition as per option 1. 30 33.33%
Other. (You know you gotta specify this one.) 5 5.56%
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Old 08-11-2022, 03:42 PM   #5651
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Uh..?

The search warrant was signed off on by the head of the Counterintelligence and Export Control Section. one can reasonably assume the warrant fell under the scope of this section

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Old 08-11-2022, 03:43 PM   #5652
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Did them get him on selling secrets...oh I hope so...that's a firing squad offense isn't it?
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Old 08-11-2022, 04:03 PM   #5653
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Did them get him on selling secrets...oh I hope so...that's a firing squad offense isn't it?

he was set up...
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Old 08-11-2022, 04:07 PM   #5654
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he was set up...

His attorney was present.

Is it at least a paddling? [Simpsons?]
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Old 08-11-2022, 04:13 PM   #5655
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His attorney was present.

Is it at least a paddling? [Simpsons?]

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Old 08-11-2022, 04:29 PM   #5656
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Judge orders Trump lawyers to let him know if they are going to file a motion to block the release by 3pm tomorrow. Now how am I suppose to go to my kidney doctor tomorrow?
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Old 08-11-2022, 04:32 PM   #5657
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That sucks. This will have lost momentum by then. The Trump camp is totally going to spin this some way. It will be his tax returns all over again.

I looked at the docket, and that seems like auto-generated text. A common default time to respond to a motion is 14 days. So I have a strong suspicion that when the motion was docketed, it automatically said any response was due on the 25th (I don't have a lot of talents, but experience with reading federal court dockets is one of them).

Much more telling is the actual judge ordering DOJ to confer with former President Trump's lawyers and respond to him by 3PM tomorrow with whether they oppose.

If they don't oppose, then I think we'll have it minutes later. If they do, I would not be surprised if the judge cuts down that deadline.
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Old 08-11-2022, 04:41 PM   #5658
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Good lord Trump "tweeted" about why was President Obama allowed to take 33 million documents with him to Chicago.Even Fox said enough's enough, release the warrants.
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Old 08-11-2022, 05:04 PM   #5659
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Uh..?

The search warrant was signed off on by the head of the Counterintelligence and Export Control Section. one can reasonably assume the warrant fell under the scope of this section

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your woundwort sig being posted with all this trump stuff is very fitting. I hope it has the same result
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Old 08-11-2022, 05:11 PM   #5660
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Old 08-11-2022, 05:28 PM   #5661
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The guy that attacked the FBI office is dead. He was in the Capital on January 6th, because if course he was.

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Old 08-11-2022, 05:37 PM   #5662
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Old 08-11-2022, 05:43 PM   #5663
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Old 08-11-2022, 05:46 PM   #5664
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Looking at the terrorist's Twitter, you can see his radicalization over time and the people that encouraged it.
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Old 08-11-2022, 05:47 PM   #5665
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Just saw a theory that makes sense. Trump always needs to be in control. If he/his lawyers decide that the Court is likely to unseal the warrant, then he will release it while putting his best spin on it.

He will not allow himself to "lose."

Or he fights it all the way to SCOTUS, which will probably vote 6-3 to defund the FBI.
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Old 08-11-2022, 05:47 PM   #5666
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Looking at the terrorist's Twitter, you can see his radicalization over time and the people that encouraged it.

And not a single one of them will lift a finger to support/help those he left behind. They will be on to radicalizing the next rube.
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Old 08-11-2022, 05:48 PM   #5667
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Old 08-11-2022, 05:48 PM   #5668
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Ohio Terrorist tried to shoot his way into the FBI building then was gunned down in a cornfield
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Old 08-11-2022, 05:50 PM   #5669
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Old 08-11-2022, 05:54 PM   #5670
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added trivia that the ohiorrorist was gunned down near the Ohio Renaissance Festival. Probably by rennies with crossbows for being anachronystic. Several shouts of "huzzah" were heard.
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Old 08-11-2022, 05:59 PM   #5672
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There's an Ohio Renfest? Where is this at?
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Old 08-11-2022, 06:21 PM   #5674
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Old 08-11-2022, 06:26 PM   #5675
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near where the guy died
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Old 08-11-2022, 06:27 PM   #5676
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near where the guy died

I don't get it
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Old 08-11-2022, 07:51 PM   #5677
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Report out there that the documents sought related to nuclear weapons and were the highest classification level possible.

If true, how is it possible they had those documents, were negotiating for a couple months about them, and slow-walked the FBI on returning them? Just seems odd.
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Report out there that the documents sought related to nuclear weapons and were the highest classification level possible.

If true, how is it possible they had those documents, were negotiating for a couple months about them, and slow-walked the FBI on returning them? Just seems odd.

I would assume to keep the public calm because an insane half-wit absconded with them.

If they have anything where he was trying to sell them or strong arm influence he should be shipped to a black ops site and never heard from again.
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People are saying that Jared got $2 billion from the Saudis & the Saudis like nuclear secrets.
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There is the possibility that this is a leak to make whatever he actually had look less bad. Sure that's bad, but it isn't nukes bad, so let's just move on.
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Old 08-11-2022, 08:36 PM   #5681
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GOPers last night: It's outrageous that Biden directed the FBI to raid Trump.

GOPers tonight: It's outrageous that Biden didn't know about the FBI's raid.
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Old 08-11-2022, 08:41 PM   #5682
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I dunno about the nuclear documents stuff. I mean, are there just manuals sitting around about how to make a bomb?

Seems like leftist wet dreams. I find it really hard to believe.
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There is the possibility that this is a leak to make whatever he actually had look less bad. Sure that's bad, but it isn't nukes bad, so let's just move on.

The DOJ has been remarkably leakproof regarding this investigation. It does make sense at all of the leaks would be coming from the Trump side.
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Old 08-11-2022, 08:50 PM   #5684
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People are saying that Jared got $2 billion from the Saudis & the Saudis like nuclear secrets.

I think Kushner is probably one of the top 2 or 3 suspects to be the informant.
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Old 08-11-2022, 08:51 PM   #5685
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Earlier today I was trying to think what Trump's next move would be. Leaking something himself, and then blaming the DOJ was the first thing that came to mind.
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Old 08-11-2022, 09:09 PM   #5686
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These allegations are serious enough that when all our “actually, I’m more of a libertarian” friends vote for the GOP in November, they will mumble something about inflation extra loudly as they leave the voting booth.
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Old 08-11-2022, 09:18 PM   #5687
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These allegations are serious enough that when all our “actually, I’m more of a libertarian” friends vote for the GOP in November, they will mumble something about inflation extra loudly as they leave the voting booth.



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Old 08-11-2022, 10:13 PM   #5688
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These allegations are serious enough that when all our “actually, I’m more of a libertarian” friends vote for the GOP in November, they will mumble something about inflation extra loudly as they leave the voting booth.

My hope is that the democrats retain the senate, the republicans take control of the house, and someone other than Trump or Biden is elected president in 2024.
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Old 08-11-2022, 10:20 PM   #5689
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I dunno about the nuclear documents stuff. I mean, are there just manuals sitting around about how to make a bomb?


That is sort of the hollywood cliche but far from the only and definitely the least likely "nuclear document" that might be in question. Target analysis comes to mind as do satellite images, security protocolls, location, etc. Those are the types of things that could add to "boxes of documents". Some could be actual new knowledge though mucg would be more of a verification (including any hypothetical details of bomb design/manufacturing). But that would be plenty valuable.

Here's an example detailling what is considered sensitive based on an unrelated matter: US Soldiers Expose Nuclear Weapons Secrets Via Flashcard Apps - bellingcat

I definitely wouldn't put "purposeful espionage" anywhere near the top of motivations for Trump. The guy is a narcissist and a horder by nature. It'd be about him still having stuff (almost) nobody else has more than anything, imo. He's the sort of guy that wants trophies. That he couldn't display them on a wall somewhere would only marginally reduce the apeal.
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there's no punchline. it literally is off 73 in the ballpark of where the guy was gunned down
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Old 08-12-2022, 05:49 AM   #5691
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So, the right wing defense seems to be that any document can be disclassfied by a president at any time. He doesn't need to even tell anyone. Just by the simple act of taking the documents out of the White House, Trump declassified them. They are saying any rule about declassification does not apply to a president.

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Now Trump is saying that it had nothing to do with nuclear secrets.

If it did not, then those WaPo reporters need to be held to account.
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Well of course he's going to say that...and at the same time not release anything that could confirm/deny that.
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Perhaps The Rock puts his name into the mix as well.
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Old 08-12-2022, 09:37 AM   #5698
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Steve Doocy seems to be the only voice of reason on Fox right now, and that is scary. He is usually a pretty high level of moron.


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Old 08-12-2022, 09:38 AM   #5699
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Now Trump is saying that it had nothing to do with nuclear secrets.

If it did not, then those WaPo reporters need to be held to account.

Didn't he do a Post on his idiotsquare that sounded a lot like him accusing the FBI to have planted evidence ? At least i can hardly read that any differently. He's crying "hoax", which we know how much that's worth coming from him, then pivoting to his lawyer not getting to tag along and explicitly talking about information being planted. All in one post.

Also, a group of republicans just did a press conference that, among other shit, went the "well, many things are only 'classified' but not truly classified" route
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So somehow, I would guess as a result of a Thomas Massie or Rand Paul e-mailing list giveaway, I get 3-4 times daily bullshit mail from the Epoch Times, which was just banned from Twitter for being full of misinformation. Sure, I could get off the list, but you know, it's amusing to see just what things they are trying to peddle to their readers. Loved this headline from the email....there's never any other context to the story unless you click their link. It's just a headline.

Trump Reveals What FBI Agents Did in Melania’s Closet


Just what do you want the FBI to have done in Melania's closet?

Why aren't there people up in arms that she has her own closet? I thought only rich people could have houses with his and hers closets? Shouldn't that sort of 'elitist' lifestyle cause problems for those supporters?
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